I like Chris Duane, and I like his message, even if I don't agree with him 100%. So when he went to offer these new silver rounds, I bought 10 of them. It was a long wait, but they arrived this afternoon.
I must confess, after all the hype on how great these medallions were going to be, I'm a wee bit disappointed.
They were advertised as "near proof" or "proof-like" and noted the manufacturer is the same that did the Lakota rounds. (The Lakota rounds are gorgeous, I have a few of those as well, and that's the quality I was expecting). The reality is:
* The edges are quite rough
* The front side with the shield and bullets is rough looking. One of them even looks a bit tarnished. Every single one has a milky splotch on the right side just above the bullets and a long milky splotch all the way around the words "SILVER BULLET".
* The words ".999 FINE AG" and "AOCS APPROVED" are so small they are nearly unreadable
* The reverse side (with "IN DEBT AND DEATH THEY TRUST" on it) actually looks better to me. It's rough, sure, but that's by design, and it actually matches what was advertised for that side.
My conclusion: I think they tried to pack too much stuff on the front of the coin, and weren't able to pull it off as well as they hoped. Oh well, they're each 1 ounce of silver, so while I paid a bit of premium, I can't complain too much. They are certainly still a good conversation piece. I was just hoping they would look "prettier" as shown in the marketing photos (which were computer generated, as they hadn't yet struck any coins). Would I buy them in a store if I were able to look at them first hand? Maybe one or two, and probably not for much of a premium. Do I feel jilted? No. I knew there was risk in the design going into it, and I took a chance. In the end, I still have another 10 ounces of silver. I've paid more money for less value in my life, that's for sure!
I do think they should probably lower the premiums if they are still selling them, and if they do another run of new design coins, I will wait to see the end product before purchase.
If I can get a decent camera shot of them, I'll post pictures later. I tried with my iPhone 4, but it's not good enough to bother.
I was to disappointed with the quality and have sent a email to them regarding the quality. Not what I expected from Chris. I sure they will take the coins back, but will keep you informed. I did mind the wait but too much over spot for the quality.
I am waiting to receive what to me is a significant amount. I will dig through my email and see when I ordered as I am a bit paranoid about having my a** flapping in the breeze waiting for them at such a uniquely bad time (politics, disaster, etc).
I must say from your posts that my expectations have been greatly lowered. I have seen the lakota coins and they are 'proof'. I aSSumed that the same people would be making these coins.
ETA: I ordered one month ago. Would the two of you mind sharing the approximate time between ordering and delivery please?
I received mine yesterday and ordered the day they released, whenever that was. My coins are just as pourty described. Polishing the mirrored side must have been tough with all the lettering and bullets as there are several spots where it looks as if car wax was left. Some of my edges are scratched and carry over to the reeded edges where it looks slightly chewed. A few have slight indent just above the skull's tophat on the rim. Just awful QC. It looks like the machine they used just absolutely manhandled these things. The things I'm describing aren't from simple human hands.
I like Chris Duane's story so I bought some. As a bonus it might be a superb collector quality coin but now that I see them, that's not going to happen. I have 5 and already graded mine from best to worst. Maybe there will be room for additional value if you have the rare perfect one but that's not what I had in mind. I will keep mine but won't be ordering any more from him.
I like some of the elements on the coins but I think Chris designs like he talks, everything at once.
edit: I wouldn't normally do this but considering the quality of these I don't think I could hurt it much with my Dremel and a polishing wheel. I'll let you know if I come up with anything.
The Dremel didn't do anything to remove the dull spots or the other odd stains but didn't hurt it either. I was pretty gentle and only used a dry wheel hoping the high speed alone would shine these areas up but it didn't. Maybe if you got some polish involved it would make a difference but I'm not about to get that involved for this coin especially when it still has marks on the rim.
I still am glad to have the coins. I still think they are cool though I am disappointed they are not Perth-Mint perfect. On the bright side, I won't be afraid to make one a carry coin. Most of the problems are on the polished side. Without the mirror effort, this coin may have avoided many of these issues.
Something to keep in mind....there could be a portion of people who will stumble upon these coins at some point without our perfect-expectations, and just simply like them. Oh well, any silver day is a good day!
I only chose to collect one but I think the quality is great. Not a connoisseur like some others may be though.
I ordered on 9/13, recieved today.
Perhaps you got one of the nicer ones. I have one that looks downright tarnished, and two others than have quite visible scrapes along the edge, as well as some visibly off-center strikes.
And almost all of them look banged up and scratched around the edges.
Ordered on 9/4 and received yesterday, my coins are really not good quality, please let me know how yours turned out.
Wondering if they replied to your email?
I took the coin that looked "tarnished" and put a dremel tool to it with a soft brush. It must have not been polished properly or something and had the compound left on it, the yellowish color went away with the polishing, but it still doesn't have the shine expected (I've got a couple that look nice, but most are sub-par).
I note now that a few of the ones that look "dull" also have the yellowish stuff on them, just not as much. I wonder if they'll exchange them or something. This is just piss-poor QC. Not to mention the two coins that looks like someone scraped a screwdriver along the edge.
I sent a email last night, I have not heard anything back, but as soon as I do will give you a update. Mine have a small dent /chip on Silver./Bullet side. I also tried calling today and got voicemail. I suspect a lot of folks are concerned about the quality.
Yeah, I guess I'm a little surprised at the reaction some folks are having... I searched for reviews on the web and found this:
Of course, given the site it's on, maybe that explains the complete lack of any negative comments? It just seems like I got a couple that were pretty nice, and a bunch that were clearly not done properly. Maybe the folks all saying they are so nice just bought one or two and were sent nice ones?
I appreciate the replies as far as shipping timeframe gents. I will let you know when mine arrive, quality, etc.
I ordered two tubes so I am a bit antsy. In all honesty I did plan on making something on the back end due to appreciation, scarcity, demand, whatever. Also planned on giving them as a gift to my 'awake' friends, while others get junk or an ASE.
Also mentions auctioning the (4) first strikes for cancer fundraiser.
Via great southern cross, via ebay.
8:27 - 0915 "flat arrows, wooden background, non-distinct bullets" (100 made)
(20 made) "hard strike"
(870 made) "new art Heidi did.. bottom says 'to collectivist problem [not problemS]
he owns all of them
He mentioned QC and polishing in the 5-7 minute area
next medallion at ~ 12:45
next sale is not pre-sale. (made then sold)
shows third sale also
The coins that showed the "frosting" he referred to are correct. However, even those he showed were shinier than most of mine, and again, several of mine had some leftover yellowish compound on them, as well as the other issues I've already mentioned.
So I'd say what he showed is indicative of about 3 or 4 of the 10 coins I received.
Will I buy the trivium coin? Depends on their response to my email to them last week concerning quality. Maybe one or two, just for novelty value, but I will wait to read what others have to say about quality before I order.
I sent an email via the AOCS webpage where the medallions are advertised, voicing my concerns. So far all I hear is crickets. Not really thrilled about that, but I can be patient as long as they make it right.
That is disappointing. I think the items you received should match the pics they show. I hope they decide to remedy your situation.
Someone brought this up on main street yesterday, figured it should go here too.
Evidently someone's selling the standard bullion medallion on ebay for $55 each... and people are buying... (23 sold so far)
I picked up a couple tubes of these, plus four loose coins at the Silver Summit. I have not opened the tubes to inspect them but the four loose coins I picked up vary quite a bit in quality. One is just about perfect and the other three have varying degrees of frosting in the areas mentioned. I'm pretty happy with mine. I just a bit under $4 over spot and avoided the shipping since I picked mine up in Spokane.
I watched the video above. I was one of the 30 or so people who saw the coin he mentioned but did not show. His assumption that the design may piss a few people off is probably an understatement. All I'm going to say is that it involves the person who is most depicted on modern coinage. It will likely be a quick sell out.
All - I received this letter today. Took them a while to respond, but now that they have, so long as they do what they are promising, they are on my list of REALLY GOOD places to shop... (and it's a short list!)
From AOCS Mint:
still waiting for my two tubes. will update upon arrival.
@ I_S - the person most depicted on coinage.. At the risk of sounding stupid would this be Lincoln on the penny?
I am sure there are many ways to depict him (truthfully) that would anger people unfamiliar with history.