Is it expat time?

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#1 Thu, Jan 7, 2021 - 2:54pm
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Is it expat time?

We Americans must consider that the election fraud that was so extreme to me anyway will just be the way it is. After the Dec.6 conformation getting back to true and fair elections anytime in the next 10 to 20 years will be doubtful. Sydney Powell is right we haven't had fair elections for 10 years already and longer in my state of Washington. This is my thinking what do others here think?

So where do we go? Unless my PM's, miners and my little bit of Bitcoin go bonkers which they could being retired I am more interested in lower cost regions. A climate not too cold would be my preference. Peak fossil fuels is for real, yes there is lots of coal but the trend is they are likely to be legislated against anyway. So staying comfortably warm in the winter could be challenging in the coming years. Someplace where solar works well yet has enough rain and water to grow food. Where one may choose now might not be good longer term. So moving around may become a norm and owning a property may not be wise. I probably won't invest in real estate right away. Could the US split up? That would open up all kinds of considerations and the left coast where I live isn't one of them.

Western Europe doesn't attract me much except southern Portugal and Spain on the Med or perhaps Croatia, Montenegro or Serbia. Concerns with Eurozone influence and politics and unless I see a pop in PM's Portugal and Spain not as likely for me cost wise.

I listen closely to people like Doug Casey founder of International Man. Doug has traveled to and lived in many countries. He recently said in times as they are now a less complicated society is probably better. Doug chose Uruguay a country that has a history of standing up to powerful nations to keep its independence which puts it on my list of possibilities. I feel unless the government is full blown totalitarian like North Korea how much can they lean on the people.

I wanted to move to Mexico 10 years ago when my state regulated me out of business but the wife didn't want to move. Wifey now understands her errors with all that is happening. I still like Mexico with its diverse landscapes with even and warmer climates, like Lake Chapala in the higher altitudes surrounded by an expansive wonderful coastline. The people are great for the most part. Most people that have spent time there have little concern of the dangers our government and media warn us about but there is a very real drug cartel in Mexico that you should stay away from. At this time the Cartel is not a big factor with foreigners but what if the US real incomes continue to reduce to a point where the drug market is reduced. Might those Cartels expand kidnappings to survive? Probably not going to get worse soon but a consideration. Influence by the US is another negative for me.

Medellin Colombia is interesting. George Gammon has done some videos about living there doing real estate deals and more. Medellin sounds safe, has a wonderful climate and the people are great but living there you are probably going to be in a highrise appartment or condo which is not as attractive to me so unless you have a penthouse suite solar won't be an option.

Other coastal countries in South America I would consider are Peru, Equador and Chile. Central America Belize(english language) Costa Rica and maybe Panama. So there are options to the south that may make it a better consideration if moving around becomes nessasary to live in a more forgiving place.

Eastern Europe is generally too cold but the frame of mind of freedom loving people in some of the formally Soviet held countries make these places a consideration. The country of Georgia is interesting. Cheap, cheap place to live. The younger generation is learning english. The climate is not cold or real warm either, maybe more like western Oregon. Nice people, food is good and history of wine growing. Diverse landscape and decent size country. Property and rent very inexpensive. Could be good and bad Georgia borders Russia. Some say laws and regulations for business are pretty straight forward and simple.

Or do I stay put? I have been prepping for years and have a place that I can store things(900 sq ft garage space). Me and wifey could probably holdout for 1-1/2 to 2 years right now. Sold my larger house and built a smaller house 4 years ago on property I owned that is better for growing some to most of my food. We probably grow close to 30% with 6 raised be gardens now with lots of room to add more garden space and could add a hoop greenhouse to get that percentage up for vegies. The 1 acre property layout is all usable so adding up to 50 chickens or rabbits and some goats would not be a stretch and would benefit the gardening with fertilizer.

The best part is I am 150 yards from the water overlooking the Big Bend of Hood Canal with the Olympic Mountains in the close background. Truely magnificent scenery especially if I ramped up my little home farm to spend my days. I have deep deep concerns about my state government. Not so worried about the county right now, actually voted conservative. My whacko governor might be one of those that says if you don't have 5 acres you can't grow food or something. He sure as hell is doing the best he can running our lives with the Covid shit show. I can also imagine Washington state leading the way to deal with people that don't conform.

I have more recently become more concerned with even more likely interuptions of food supply be it that current economies, problems with animal fee stocks will have an affect on production and who knows when the credit markets blow up? China is preparing buying up commodities and access that will be part of what is coming. This is where what I have been prepping for comes in and I can't take it with me so it may verywell be what keeps me here for awhile.

Edited by: goldcom on Jan 7, 2021 - 3:23pm

Jerry G

Thu, Jan 7, 2021 - 6:02pm
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Lawlessness

Most people prep on the basis that some form of law will be upheld. But what if it is only upheld....against you?

This is a serious consideration given that AOC and other elected officials are on the record saying conservatives and anyone who supported trump must be punished.

If they make it a law, then it is therefore legal:

1. To take your private property.

2. To mandate your compliance with redistribution of wealth such as retirement funds.

3. To deprive you of due process based on your physical characteristics. This can include suspension of bail or mandatory arrest for social justice/ equality of outcome goals. See Kyle Rittenhouse for example.

4. To forcibly remove you from family due to the dangerous ideas you have expressed, or prevent you from leaving the country before you have been drained of your wealth. Use of medical emergency orders and contact tracers seem extremely well suited for this type of tyranny.

5. To restrict movement, or alternatively enforce mandatory movements. Herding people into environmental justice oriented housing projects in compliance with United Nations Agenda 2030 for example.

There are a thousand cuts left to discuss. But let's leave it alone for now. Just accept that in the current climate, there are no norms with which to base future stability on.

Let's think about destinations and the truth about the options.

So perhaps do a search for expat communities and the level of satisfaction from the people who are actually already there.

What are the real life time limits imposed for gaining citizenship in the areas your interested in?

What are the costs associated with that citizenship? Some countries require a small, $200,000 investment per person to gain citizenship. Others simply require proof of a retirement income equal to $500 a month or greater and an age of 45. Others want a $5 million dollar donation.

Are there benefits to citizenship that outweigh the country itself? Such as reciprocal visa free movement to other countries? Are any of those countries interesting to you?

Are you willing to go back to work? Restart a business? Develop a natural resource?

How will you transfer your wealth to minimize taxation or graft due to corruption?

Consider the cultural ramifications of your presence. How will you not only fit in, but gain the trust and loyalty of your new neighbors? They will be your first line of defense going forward. This is an area of expertise that is taught specifically to special forces soldiers. How to develop loyalty to the point of raising an army of indigenous people to fight their own government on your recommendation and with your training and leadership.

Just a few thoughts to help grease the wheels of this conversation.

Thu, Jan 7, 2021 - 6:23pm
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Link-a-r00

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Thu, Jan 7, 2021 - 6:24pm
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another

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Thu, Jan 7, 2021 - 7:31pm Jager06
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Your right Jager06 about a new Passport

There is much to consider if you want to relinquish US citizenship and get another county's passport. We just renewed our passports so we could stay abroad for a while if they didn't take them away. If I sold my house I could probably do the $2ook second passport for Wifey and I and still have a decent lifestyle depending on location even without Social Security income if it came to that. I'd kinda like to leave the house to my son but it might be a stretch.

This year I'm taking the tax hit cashing out of our IRA's with the advice of my accountant, using losses mostly from 2013 to cover and thinking that at some point of desperation they will grab some or all of an IRA more easily than other holdings.

Jerry G

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