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Thursday Conversation - Tom Coughlin & Andrew Maguire


We're now within 100 days of the full rollout of the Kinesis Monetary System. As such, it's a great time to visit again with Tom and Andy in anticipation of this launch.

Again, Kinesis is something completely different...a monetary system that is fully backed by 100% allocated physical gold and silver. Nothing like this exists in the world today and it has great potential to disrupt the current Bank-driven fractional reserve fiat system. If anything, as Kinesis grows, it will require higher and higher amounts of physical metal backing and this should place extreme stress upon The Bullion Banks and their schemes.

More info on Kinesis can be found here: https://kinesis.money/en/

Additionally, the second half of this podcast is a conversation with Andy where we discuss global gold demand trends and the impact these will have on price on 2019. Andy also asked that I post this link to an interview he gave on Bart Chilton's television program back in December.

Thanks again to Tom and Andy for their time earlier this week and we wish them all the best as the bring Kinesis fully operational in a few months.



Feb 14, 2019 - 3:01pm


Had to do it

Amazing that Bart is the commentator. Unbelievable

Feb 14, 2019 - 3:05pm


Now to listen . . .

Feb 14, 2019 - 4:02pm


that's still the way I'm feeling!

Feb 14, 2019 - 4:17pm

The importance of actually having insight:

It appears that very few have any "real" insights into a multitude of subjects. It may be that one leans to the left and another who is viewing, leaning to the right and even the one in the middle , having a differing view, is still missing the mark. Just because one is in neutral does not mean that it is the correct position.

If we sit down with a bankster for lunch, fir may fly or we will just submit to their wisdom in banking. If we meet with the multitude of clergy, around Mr. Trump, all differing and all trying to reach the place of the middle, some of us will see it as light years from the Truth. Some see a situation as being demonic and another as being in neutral, having no power. The more we compromise our values, never taking a stand, we are overcome with the neutral position, thinking we have the wisdom of the ages and have been rendered ineffective. jmo Jim

Feb 14, 2019 - 4:24pm

Surf Nazi Bart, Larry Kudlow and Dave Kransler

Aw crap Just when I thought it safe to look at a video Chilton's gob appears. Painful memories of him running high cover as the poobah of CFTC telling us precious metal proles that everything is groovy

You lying SOB

So Kudlow comes on Money Honey Maria's show He's running his mouth how the drop in retail sales is a glitch. Eyes bugging out and all twitchy like he needs a quick snort of something medicinal

Dave Kransler had a perfect retort on his blog. My edits

Dave's Short Seller Journal and Mine stock publication are two of the best reads on the web----next to TFMR of course

DK Maybe the over indebted wage slaves are actually running out of money to buy on-line high end yoga pants.

Copy that Kudlow the Cocaine Cowboy.

I suspect Kudlow is snorting yoga pants IMO

Feb 14, 2019 - 4:40pm


Will we see $1400 next week?

TF Metals fan
Feb 14, 2019 - 4:44pm
matt_ TF Metals fan
Feb 14, 2019 - 5:38pm


I can't predict the future, but I bet the following:

(1) The looming recession will cause voters to elect a left-wing nutjob in 2020.

(2) The left-wing nut job will use Trump's precedent to enact an "emergency" nation-wide gun policy modeled after the New York State SAFE Act:

No magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds.

No collapsible stocks, folding stocks, flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, pistol grips, thumbhole stocks, etc. which will essentially ban the AR-15 platform completely.

We'll be lucky if semi-automatic sales aren't banned completely.

Liberal use of "mental health" issues to take away guns, possibly in conjunction with whatever "health care" legislation the left wing nutjob rams through congress. They will probably try to take away guns from anyone diagnosed with PTSD, bipolar disorder, depression, etc.

Marijuana will probably be legalized at the federal level, then guns will be taken from anyone who uses marijuana.

If it gets really out of hand, they may just start taking away guns based on a social media profile, or based on reports from "friends" online or otherwise of concerning behavior or posts on web sites.

Feb 14, 2019 - 5:43pm

Personally, I wish Trump would just veto

Force all the assholes in congress to vote and show their true colors. The republicans would likely vote with the democrats to override a veto. There is too much bullshit from both sides casting votes when they don't affect the outcome.

Feb 14, 2019 - 5:48pm

My valentine sent me this today, we both got a chuckle

Men are just happier people. What do you expect from such simple creatures?

Your last name stays put. The garage is all yours. Wedding plans take care of themselves. Chocolate is just another snack. You can never get pregnant. You can wear a white T-shirt to a water park. You can wear NO shirt to a water park.

Car mechanics tell you the truth and you know how to change a tire. The world is your urinal and you never have to drive to another gas station restroom because this one is just too icky. You don't have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a bolt.

Wrinkles add character. Wedding dress-$5000. Tux rental-$100. People don't stare at your chest when you're talking to them. New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet. One mood all the time. Phone conversations are wrapped up in 30 seconds flat.

You know stuff about tanks. A five-day vacation requires only one carry-on bag. You can open all your own jars. You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness. If someone forgets to invite you, he or she can still be your friend.

Your underwear is $7.99 for a three-pack. Two pairs of shoes are more than enough. You are unable to see wrinkles in your clothes. Everything on your face stays its original color. The same hairstyle lasts for years, maybe decades. You only have to shave your face and neck. And that's optional.

You can play with toys all your life. One wallet and one pair of shoes - one color for all seasons. You can wear shorts no matter how your legs look. You can 'do' your nails with a pocket knife. You have freedom of choice concerning growing a mustache. You can do Christmas shopping for 25 relatives on December 24 in 25 minutes.

No wonder men are happier.

NICKNAMES - If Laura, Kate, and Sarah go out for lunch, they will call each other Laura, Kate, and Sarah. If Mike, Dave, and Bill go out, they will affectionately refer to each other as Fat Boy, Bubba, and Wildman.

EATING OUT - When the bill arrives, Mike, Dave, and Bill will each throw in $20, even though it's only for $37.50. None of them will have anything smaller, and none will actually admit they want change back. When the girls get their bill, out come the pocket calculators.

MONEY - A man will search for and pay $2 for a $1 item he needs. - A woman will pay $1 for a $2 item that she doesn't need when she finds it on sale.

BATHROOMS - A man has six items in his bathroom: toothbrush and toothpaste, shaving cream, razor, a bar of soap, and a towel. The average number of items in the typical woman's bathroom is 337. - A man will not be able to identify more than 20 of these items.

ARGUMENTS - A woman has the last word in any argument. - Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

EXPECTATIONS - A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband. - A man never worries about the future until he gets a wife. A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't. - A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change, but she does.

DRESSING UP - A woman will dress up to go shopping, water the plants, empty the trash, answer the phone, read a book, and get the mail. - A man will dress up for weddings and funerals.

NATURAL - Men wake up as good-looking as they went to bed. - Women somehow deteriorate during the night.

OFFSPRING - Ah, children. A woman knows all about her children. She knows about dentist appointments and romances, best friends, favorite foods, secret fears and hopes and dreams. - A man is vaguely aware of some short people living in the house.

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!

Feb 14, 2019 - 8:25pm

Being honest

My only critique of that email is twofold;

1. I do look like shit when I wake up in the morning, my wife looks like an angel, because she is an angel, she puts up with me.

2. I’ve never figured out the whole nut and bolt thing. Right tightly... lefty loosely. It has confused me to this day.

Feb 14, 2019 - 10:51pm

Spot palladium just hit $1410

Getting VERY close to the earlier ATHs...

Feb 14, 2019 - 10:56pm

Updated CDG chart

Here's an update of the wedge we've been tracking.

Notice that today's rally was once again halted RIGHT AT the upper band...as if that's by accident/coincidence.

Feb 14, 2019 - 10:59pm

CDS chart

Golden (silver) cross now just 5.5¢ away.

Feb 14, 2019 - 11:00pm

LONG day

Time for bed. However, the usual early start tomorrow with the weekly discussion with Eric followed by a full morning update and afternoon podcast wrap-up.

Feb 15, 2019 - 6:29am

Owning KVTs is like owning verticly integrated mines, refineries

I confess that by the end of next week I'll have purchased my 30th token and there will only ever be 300,000 tokens. With the token holders sharing one fifth of the revenue pie, that's a 1 in 50,000 share of all transactional fees. The Kinesis Velocity Calculators estimate ridiculously high yields with modest adoption and velocity. I also confess that I sold a few 100 Oz Ag bars, some small Platinum and Gold to raise $30K USD, but that was only about 10% of my stack. These KVTs seem to have potential to be life changing, even without dollar collapses. I only have seen one other Turdite with any real excitement at all. Please have another look at this system Turdville! KVT sale ends mid March and that will be it for buying immortal, gold and silver laying geese flocks.
Feb 15, 2019 - 7:12am


Am sorry but I just don't get this token if the price of the metals up the token can still go down ?

What am I missing 🙄

Feb 15, 2019 - 7:25am


Chatter - Bill & Hillary’s ‘public’ health will begin to rapidly deteriorate.

Be alert next 10 days.
FF attempts may be carried out in attempt to change narrative (neg optics).
High possibility of ‘multiple day’ coverage event forcing pause on news.
See something > Say something.

You can read more at this link, however it takes me 10-15 seconds to load.


Feb 15, 2019 - 7:26am

Dingo - the other Turdite

Dingo - the other Turdite might be me as I'm in the UK and able to buy KVT; the US guys have to deal with that accredited investor rule which is a real pain. Just count yourself one of the lucky ones if the system takes off.

Once it launches though, US residents will be the first market to get the Debit card which is good news. The main selling point for gold holders around the world should be the 1-1 allocation of metal linked to no storage fees. Then you have the appeal to those who've not been able to buy gold before and the currently 'unbanked' etc.

I think once it's up and running we should see more Turdites on-board if only to leverage to the free storage. Whilst it's good to have physical in your own possession, it's also good to diversify by having some in storage outside of your own home and also out of your own country.

I wonder if KAU (Kinesis Gold) can count as a Tier 1 asset on a bank's balance sheet after Basel III - given it's fully allocated etc - presumably it can.

Feb 15, 2019 - 7:33am

"Am sorry but I just don't

"Am sorry but I just don't get this token if the price of the metals up the token can still go down ?"

The KVT token is simply the initial fund raising mechanism to get the project off the ground. It promises perpetual yield based on a share of 20% of the transactional revenue from the system.

To justify holding its current $1000 price, then only a limited amount of gold would need to enter the Kinesis system (I think somewhere around 30 tonnes with a 7% velocity. 90 tonnes in the system would therefore triple the value of the token) - it's pretty generous. I think most people buying KVT are doing it for the yield though rather than capital gains on the token.

Feb 15, 2019 - 8:06am

I bought KVTs when they were

I bought KVTs when they were on offer at -25%. Yields are still high even at 10% of Kinesis projections. Aim to mint some KAU and KAG when the door opens in March. There is an additional incentive for KVT holders who mint coins before the system goes live.

Turner Blythesshrink
Feb 15, 2019 - 8:08am


Thanks for the great explanation I think you did a better job than them

Also my I ask will you be buying ?


Feb 15, 2019 - 8:08am
Dingo Blythesshrink
Feb 15, 2019 - 8:19am

The US accredited investor rule really sucks

I suppose it would be too difficult for most US Turdites to be Accredited Investors (whatever that means). We have sophisticated investors in Australia. Like most Aussies being really sophicated (big sarcasm font). Yes Blytheshink, I thought you might be the only other KVT holder in the village. Luckily, there's probably one or two more.....
Feb 15, 2019 - 8:37am

A US accredited investor

I think the rule is that you need at least $1MM in liquid net worth. At least that's what I recall it being from back in the day.

Feb 15, 2019 - 8:42am


No hike in June or September, either. Cuts coming, instead.


Feb 15, 2019 - 9:09am

Elite quietly Warn you, not Tell You; so they can claim they did

From yesterday's Economist: When trouble strikes, where should you hide? The case for gold

A miserly, luke-warm piece of pablum that passes poorly, even for entertainment; But, . . . but, it's the Economist.

And have we ever seen them waste print or column space on precious metals if they were not trying to bash it; or in this case to telegraph a warning message?

Feb 15, 2019 - 10:13am

Platinum/Gold ratio

At a historical all time low today.

Everyone hates platinum for some reason.

Feb 15, 2019 - 10:32am

Markets love the liquidity injection in China (ZH)

Forget about the dreadful Industrial Production and lower Capacity Utilization.

Feb 15, 2019 - 10:36am

same shit, different day

Just another enforcement of the NEEEE Rule. Relentless selling pressure on the Comex.


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