TFMR Podcast - Friday, October 16


There can be little doubt that The Banks are once again preparing to smash the paper prices of gold and silver. To that end and to spread the word, this podcast has been made a FREE PUBLIC THREAD. Please, I urge you to take the time to listen to this over the weekend.

For today, we begin with a discussion of the two charts below. Here you can see a clear and present price manipulation designed to reset price lower and below the 200-day moving average before trading resumes on Sunday:

From there we take a few moments to discuss the long-term picture for the yen and the miners:

But the majority of the discussion centers upon the fraudulent, borderline criminal processes of The Comex. During the Commitment of Traders week (10/7--10/13), prices were restricted and capped as The Banks dumped longs and added shorts in order to meet new Speculator demand. This was sickeningly exaggerated this past Wednesday and Thursday as the metals finally surged through their respective moving averages. The case can be made that The Cartel Banks added over 22,000 new gold shorts as well as 6,000 new paper shorts.

Consider the following:

By creating 22,500 new contracts in just two days...almost all of them used to take a short position versus a new Speculator long...The Banks created new paper obligations for 2,250,000 ounces of "gold". The entire Comex vault structure only holds 6,704,000 ounces. So, in order to smother momentum and contain price, The Banks effectively shorted 1/3 of the entire Comex Vault in just two days.

How is this fair? How is this even legal??

And now prices are set up to get smashed again. By reviewing the latest Commitment of Traders report ( and comparing it to historical data, it's easy and logical to conclude that another coordinated, manipulative, Cartel Bank-driven price smash is right around the corner...perhaps beginning as soon as Monday. See these charts for reference:

I hope you have a safe and relaxing weekend. However, please be sure that you're mentally and financially prepared for what next week may likely bring.


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Oct 17, 2015 - 9:23pm

According to someone...

I follow with great interest, chemtrails are coal ash from power plants. It contains all the materials for climate/weather manipulation according to the .... Ahem.... "Scientific consensus" on global warming.

Oct 17, 2015 - 9:27pm

I'm with

Turd. Military and commercial pilot for 30+ years. I've never seen anything coming out of airplanes other than contrails. At the higher altitudes, it is RVSM which means only 1000 feet of separation between east and westbound jets. You get a good look at any aircraft at that distance. Never seen anything suspicious. Never had any other pilot I've flown with say they've seen anything.

Oct 17, 2015 - 9:44pm

I love Saturdays inTurdville

@Alieneyes, I was referencing this

I am a huge Astronomy fan.

@SteveW, most of the time they fly south to north. Even watched them spray on a backpacking trip to Wenatchee National Forest, in August. We where 5100 feet up, was clear, cloudless sky at 7 am, by late afternoon, around 3 pm, the planes had clouded the entire sky. We watched them as the were parallel to the mountain range, running north and south.

Oct 17, 2015 - 9:44pm
Oct 17, 2015 - 9:49pm

Chem Trails...

Calculate the weight necessary to create a vapor trail visible from the ground and you can quickly conclude that no airplane on the planet is capable of carrying the weight. The jet Contrails are just super cooled water vapor condensing in the disturbed air behind the jet.

For example at 99% humidity and low temperatures saturated water content is 9 grams per cubic meter of air....

(For the vapor to condense out it has to have more water than saturated air by definition of saturated)

Say the chemtrail is 160km (100 miles) long and two streams 5m (15 ft) in diameter....

that is 56,000 kg or 125,000 lbs of water vapor. Typical 767 burns about 2000 lbs of jet fuel in the same distance.

Thus the chemtrail tanks would need to be 61 times larger than the fuel tank.

Since the entire wing is fuel tank, there is no place to put a tank 61 times larger than the fuel tank.

Chemtrails are utter and total nonsense.

pbreed pbreed
Oct 17, 2015 - 9:50pm



"how much does a cloud weigh"

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:04pm

They (jet contrails) get

They (jet contrails) get thick when there's a storm approaching because the relative humidity at flight level goes up.

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:05pm

And DO NOT try to equate a

And DO NOT try to equate a theory and/or opinion re "chemtrails" with the historical fact of precious metal price manipulation.

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:10pm


Call me crazy, but the idea that some shadow, covert government air force is out there spraying the countryside seems far fetched.

How many personnel would it take to pull this off on the scale alleged? 25,000? 50,000? And all these people are complicit in the crime?

Look, go watch airplanes land at LAX sometime thorough 100% relative humidity. You'll see all the "chemtrails" you can handle.

Again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on theory and speculation. Just don't judge me as some kind of dupe or rube simply because I think differently.

Joseph Warren
Oct 17, 2015 - 10:13pm

Geo -engineering ? Or what ?

To those that say its just jet contrails & people are imagining things . . . I say Bullsh#t.

I spend a lot of time outdoors. I'm a remote backcountry hunter who goes into the mountains. I'm involved with wilderness emergency medicine and Search & Rescue. Paying attention to the weather and the sky is extremely important for your safety up there. Bad weather can roll in fast & it can kill you. In addition, I've been involved with agriculture since I was a teen. Family members are farmers & I've worked on farms and been involved with ag markets. Farmers spend a helluva lot of time looking up and paying attention to the sky. Their livelihoods depend on that. - - And finally, I'm a military veteran. I know how to make observations. I don't know what the heck is being done, but I know the difference between what I always observed with jet contrails in my area before, and what often happens today - - Contrails break up after a relatively brief time. And, contrails look random. These aircraft trails are much thicker and they persist for a long time afterwards. Often there are a great deal of them in the sky at once and they criss-cross one another. A day can start out completely clear, with a blue sky and sunny weather predicted. Then you look up and see these aircraft trails making a criss cross pattern and by late afternoon the whole sky is gray. Often there is some kind of precip the next day or two afterwards. This pattern of activity and outcomes has repeated many times. Just a week ago, I commented to someone how unusual it was that the sky looked blue and completely cloudless that day. That used to be common here in the past, it is extremely unusual in our area nowadays.

I don't know what is being done. I haven't seen the kind of hard evidence yet that would tell me the who, what, where, when, and why of this situation. But I do know what I see with my own eyes, and it isn't what I had observed in the past. Those who try to tell me I'm not seeing what I am seeing - - - can bugger off.

Joseph Warren
Oct 17, 2015 - 10:14pm

Again, whether or not you see

Again, whether or not you see trails on a certain day is a function of relative humidity at flight level. And we haven't even begun to talk about the meteorology, atmospheric dynamics and chemistry allegedly involved.

Look, I'm sorry if I've upset a few apple carts around here but it is what it is. Again, all opinions are respected in Turdville.

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:15pm

If it is such nonsense

Why would the climate change fixers propose it to solve the problem? It is their solution not a fabricated theory. David Keith. Geoengineering. Again. Think pnac 1999 Iraq 2003

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:16pm

In my

former life as a fighter pilot, you paid a lot of attention to where the "con" was during air combat. The weather guys would give you a very accurate forecast of where the con altitudes were ( 25 years ago). The last thing you wanted to do was leave a contrail saying "here I am, shoot me!"

You could also use that to your advantage by leaving a con and then quickly going to a much lower altitude. Your opponent is drawn to the contrail while you are now 20,000 feet lower and he's looking in the wrong spot.

My guess is that if you had a no contrail forecast, you wouldn't have any chemtrails that day.

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:17pm


We all can't agree on everything. And I'm fine with that but, I watch the sky and I see what is happening. And as a matter of fact I live 10 mins from the airport and commercial aircraft, high bypass turbo fans, do not emit contrails!

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:22pm
boomer sooner
Oct 17, 2015 - 10:23pm

Definately aerial spraying happening, State Law, round here anyw

Introduction | News | Seeding Operations | Weather | Evaluation | Cloud Physics | Contacts


The Oklahoma Weather Modification Program is an operational cloud-seeding program with the dual goals of rainfall enhancement and hail suppression. The program began in 1996 as the Oklahoma Weather Modification Demonstration Program (OKWMDP). The purpose of the OKWMDP was to evaluate the potential effects and benefits of weather modification in Oklahoma. After three years of evaluation the state government decided to implement the progam as an official element of Oklahoma's water management strategy. A state law was passed in 1999 creating a new Weather Modification Division within the Oklahoma Water Resources Board. The law also created a Weather Modification Advisory Board to oversee weather modification efforts. A contractor provides the personnel, aircraft, and associated equipment and conducts the seeding operations. Since the program's beginning in 1996 Weather Modification Inc. of North Dakota has been the contractor.

The purpose of this web site is to provide some background information on cloud seeding, and to illustrate some of the results of the evaluation done by the Environmental Verification and Analysis Center and the Oklahoma Climatological Survey at the University of Oklahoma

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:26pm


Well, one would expect them to be more common, criss crossing the sky, than they were in the mid-50's when jets were first introduced into commercial service. In fact air transportation has undergone explosive growth since then, especially over the last 30 years.

EDIT: Ty, Identify the offending aircraft on flight tracker and see if they are solely those displaying "No call sign". I'm suggesting something that could help.

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:28pm

How does weather change

On exactly the same conditions on two consecutive days? Same temp humidity cloudless I have pictures this very week on Mon and Tuesday. Mon all blue. Tues at 7 am the sky looked like tictactoe. Exact same weather. Exact same flights

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:30pm

Cloud seeding

Thanks for bringing that up since it brings us back to PMs. Silver iodide has been used for cloud seeding to enhance rain formation for decades.

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:31pm


If you live 10 minutes from the airport, that means you're only 5-10 miles away. At 10 miles, an aircraft should be 3000 feet(3 degree glide path, you lose 300 feet per mile).

Nothing generates a contrail at 3000 feet. You might see what Turd said which would be some wing tip vortices on a 100% humidity day.

Danforth Coxwell
Oct 17, 2015 - 10:48pm

We return now...

to our regularly scheduled broadcast.

Any idea(s) how gold will open on Sunday night??????

Joseph Warren
Oct 17, 2015 - 10:59pm

Well, I'm not upset . . .

and have no problem with disagreement between folks. I welcome good discussion, that has some fire in it. Shows that people arent just apathetic lumps !

I just recalled that I was also an amateur astronomer as a kid (forgot about that when I posted earlier). So, I've spent a lot of time looking up at the sky! I'll repeat, what I observe now is different than in the past. And, I've likely spent thousands of hours in my life looking up at the sky intensely. I haven't heard a valid explanation of this - because I did not see this same behavior in the past, going back many years. If the explanation explains today, why didnt this same thing occur in the past ?

I must point out that just because something seems 'unimaginably awful', doesn't mean someone hasn't done it. A small group of men met secretly to set up the current bankster fiat banking system. They used that system to steal 98% of Americans purchasing power over the last century. Most here at Turdville know this, but it likely would seem 'awful & unbelievable' to most Americans you told this to today. In addition, one cannot assume that big endeavors cannot be kept secret for a long time. One such undertaking involved more than 125,000 people at its peak. Over its course, many more people could be added to that number. Yet, only a very few insiders knew the nature of what they were a part of. Even the man who made the final decision to use the product of this undertaking, was completely in the dark for most of its existence. That man was President Harry S. Truman. The secret undertaking was the Manhattan Project which produced the first atomic bombs.

I don't know what is being done in the skies, but its different than what I observed over many years. I just call them 'aircraft trails' (to differentiate them from the usual contrails) - because that's all I can confirm with my actual observations.

This has been a stimulating conversation among friends.

Oct 17, 2015 - 10:59pm


sorry dude, those are all just contrails.

Joseph Warren
Oct 17, 2015 - 11:06pm

exactly and well said

A stimulating discussion amongst friends, sitting around on a Saturday night.

Oct 17, 2015 - 11:08pm

What I Have Seen

I subscribed to Jim Willie about a year ago, and read various comments about chemtrails and some kind of HARP mechanism that is used to control the weather, and said to myself wtf is he talking about? On a trip to Santa Barbara in April of this year, I first noticed these chemtrails and all the photos posted here are from my cell phone, and I have seen them nearly every day since I first noticed them, and in fact saw some this evening. Here is Santa Barbara and there is no commercial flight path here at all, to explain this:

The chemtrails above are deliberately laid at much lower altitudes--about 2 0r 3 miles up. Next is a photo of a plane much higher up (6 or 7 miles) and it produced a short natural contrail that disappeared right after it appeared. I also saw other jets high up in the sky that made no trail at all.

Here is another chemtrail in Santa Barbara laid much lower in the sky:

After that trip I began to look up and notice this activity nearly every day. This summer, I saw a plane lay a thick trail very close almost directly over me to where I could see the plane clearly and low in the sky, and then the trail stopped and started intermittently at the end of his run (he was laying a trail right next to another parallel trail, same starting and stopping points in the sky) as if he was running out of material, so the conditions weren't just right, then just wrong, then just right, et cetera--again folks, only what I have seen with my own eyes. There was no commercial flight path in this location either to explain it away.

This photo above is taken from a gas station right off of the 10 fwy in Palm Desert a couple of months ago. It was a totally clear day, and this trail was rapidly dissipating and I included the gas station canopy to show some scale as this was not very high in the cloudless sky. The next picture below is taken from the exact same spot, looking across the parking lot at the Del Taco and you can see the lines in the sky.

These lines above Del Taco where already in the sky before I got there. I took the picture below after a plane flew by and left a new trail maybe half an hour after leaving the gas station:

This picture is taken from under my beach umbrella this summer showing a natural contrail from a plane that is much higher up, that disappears immediately:

On the very same day at the beach, the chemtrail planes came and did their thing. I didn't take any more pictures of them, as I have not been tracking this like some kind of journalist, and these are some random photos from my cell phone.

Until watching this 30 minute video a few days ago, I thought that the chemtrails were the only part of the drought enforcement project and that the foreign material in the sky dries up the moisture in and of itself, but this video shows a picture of the HARP electric plant (that JW had mentioned previously) which electrifies the airborne particles and can spread the particles to create a high pressure wall, or attract the particles together to produce rain, so this is all about CONTROLLING the weather:

Anyone remember all the talk a number years back about "reducing the carbon footprint" with Al Gore and all that? Flying a fleet of jets around to disperse aerosols sure burns a lot of fuel and costs a lot of money. Celebrities were parking their private jets and flying commercial to reduce the amount of jet fuel burned to show what good citizens they were in People magazine. I have concluded that the term "geoengineering" is simply a pretext and a cover story, and that the real reason is to exercise control of the weather at the cost of filling the environment with aluminum--they are "vaccinating the air" if you will. Not here to argue with anyone, as there is a human tendency to not believe anything unless one sees it in the sky above their own face. It also turns Monsanto in their all seeing foresight has developed aluminum resistant strains of crops. Not all Turdites live in the spray areas, so Turdites should post pictures that they see, along with pictures of silver bars and cubes of course.

Joseph Warren
Oct 17, 2015 - 11:18pm

Hmm . . not all DaveJessops pics

loaded up on my iPad . . . but the ones I see look like contrails to me.

They break up and there arent that many of them. Theres a few overlapping in one pic, but not the lots of criss crossing pattern.

But, a few pics didnt download for me. Maybe they show something more ?

P.S. - I reloaded the webpage & was able to look at all the pics,

They look like contrails to me.

Oct 17, 2015 - 11:19pm

Not everything

is a conspiracy.

That being said, do I trust the government, or the mainstream media? Hell no.

I remember exactly when I quit believing the media. I was a lowly lieutenant in the USAF. Reading the paper and came across an article about an aircraft in service at the time. They had a photo with the article.

The aircraft in the photo was misidentified, and there must have been a half dozen basic FACTS that were incorrect in the article.

It dawned on me that if they couldn't get basic FACTS in this article correct, why would I expect them to get basic FACTS about vaccinations, or global warming, or financials or anything else correct?

Safety Dan
Oct 17, 2015 - 11:33pm

@ Craig & Non-Believers Of Chem Trails - See Langley Studies

Document:Chemtrails - Proof and Purpose

An outline of the activities of various agencies of the US UK military in the fields of climate modification by means of high altitude chemical spraying. +

and another: <File:Owning the Weather.pdf>

Senior Research Scientist

Science Directorate

NASA Langley Research Center

Transformation of Contrails Into Cirrus Durring SUCCESS. Geophys. Res. Ltrs., 25, April 15, 1998, pp.1157-1160.

Aviation Produced Aerosols and Cloudiness, Chapter 3 of IPCC Special Report: Aviation and the Global Atmosphere., Cambridge University Press, 65-120.

Contrails, cirrus trends, and climate. J. Climate, 17, 1671-1685.

Response to comment on Contrails, Cirrus Trends, and Climate. J. Climate, 18, 2783-2784.

Zhao, T. X.-P., I. Laslo, P. Minnis, and L. Remer, 2005: Comparison and analysis of two aerosol retrievals over the ocean in Terra/CERES-MODIS Single Scanner Footprint (SSF) data: Part I - Global evaluation .J. Geophys. Res., 110, D21, D21209, 10.1029/2005JD005851.

From his CV:

PI, ESE Contrail Study (2004 - Present):
Dr. Minnis serves as PI for two separate proposals. Leads an international analysis group to relate contrail formation, optical properties, growth, and lifetimes to air traffic and meteorology using various model, FAA, and satellite datasets. Leads a research team to model contrails to more accurately assess their climate impact and predictability.

PI, Meteosat Second Generation (MSG) Science Team:
Dr. Minnis leads an international research group to develop and apply a new group of state-of-the-art methods for deriving cloud properties and surface emissivity and reflectance.

PI, NASA Decision Support through Earth Science Results Project (2005 - Present):
With a NOAA Co-PI leads research effort to improve short-term weather forecasts by assimilating his real-time satellite-derived cloud properties into state-of-the-art (RUC) mesoscale numerical weather prediction models.

Co-I, NASA Energy- and Water-Cycle Supported (NEWS) Research (2005 - Present):
Leads a cloud retrieval working group to derive accurate 3-D cloud fields by combining and analyzing MODIS, CALIPSO, CloudSat data.

PI, NASA AEAP Subsonic Assessment (SASS) Science Team (1994-2001):
Led research team to determine contrail effects on climate.

PI & Project Scientist, NASA First ISCCP Regional Experiment (FIRE), 1985-2000:
Led research team to develop and validate new methods for retrieving cloud properties from satellite data.

PI, DOE ARM-Unmanned Aerospace Vehicle (UAV) Science Team (1995-1998):
Led research team to use UAV data to study cloud absorption, and examine directional dependence of reflected radiation.

I liked this image from another site:

Here's a List of All the Evidence That Proves Chemtrails Exist


British bioweapon tests

Owning the Weather in 2025

See bottom of page for additional articles

Chemtrails, Here is your PROOF 100% Real "MUST WATCH"
Patriot Family
Oct 17, 2015 - 11:37pm


Yeah, I lived in Seattle too. Just contrails. We have a lot of military traffic in our area out of Spokane. Usually it's training jets zipping through practicing maneuvers. I have a couple of neighbors who claim they're spraying chemtrails and have absolutely zero knowledge of the topic outside of the rumors they've heard. I kind of smile and then occasionally break out the lawn chair and binocs to watch these 20-something pilots pull high g turns, hit their afterburners, go vertical, then zip back towards Spokane. I don't blame the day getting cloudy on them. Instead, I blame it on Emporor Zurg. It's far more a realistic possiblility that he really does exist.

We slaughtered our remaining 4 domesticated turkeys today. Added about 110 lbs of dressed carcasses to the fridge (moving to the freezer in 48 hours). This joins the 45 lbs we got from the first two. We're doing okay for first timers on this stuff. That plus 12-15 eggs a day from the chickens and 20 roasters in the freezer... can't complain. We won't starve.

On a side note, .40 shot shells do a remarkably good job on turkeys. I'm going to have to stock more of these.

Joseph Warren Winder
Oct 18, 2015 - 12:01am


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