The Fraying Minsk Agreements


As the Minsk Peace Accords fray and disintegrate, John Batchelor and Stephen Cohen spoke again last evening in an effort to bring us all up to speed on this rapidly-deteriorating situation.

Some of the topics covered in this program:

  • The renewed hostilities near Donetsk and what will likely transpire if/when The Minsk Agreements completely fail
  • Kiev's new law demanding removal of all vestiges and symbols of "communism", up to and including the renaming of cities
  • The Canadian "Munk Debate" in which Professor Cohen recently participated
  • The growing fractures within NATO

As always, I urge you to listen to this entire discussion and then monitor the headlines for further developments.



2c piece
Apr 15, 2015 - 10:12am

time to listen

Time to listen. The flock of black swans seems to keep getting closer and larger.

Apr 15, 2015 - 10:16am

Second will do

Black crows more like it caaaaaaa caaaaaaaaaaaaa

just the fabrick of reality is degrading at all forms of measurment

Safety Dan
Apr 15, 2015 - 10:20am

Am I Turd? 

Am I Turd?

I'm not Turd, but 3rd I am! Congratulations to those above me..

You are the winners of today's Turdville top 2 posters, not to be confused with posers. wink

Apr 15, 2015 - 10:58am

4th Again?

Sheeeeeeesh Just call me Fourward Charlie. Lol By the way thanks for the link on the last thread for Charlie's. I got really into his writings as it's very close to what my believes are and it will become a daily reading from hence on. Keep Stacking and now to listen

Apr 15, 2015 - 11:02am


HA. You've got to be doing that on purpose. You must have some elaborate algorithm.

Apr 15, 2015 - 11:06am


Nah I just stopped giving a kickback to the Turd. LMAO

Apr 15, 2015 - 11:09am

More, quicker as per JW

DeaconB and I appear to look at the same page - for news articles with less of a Western slant.

Here's a couple that suggest moar pressure, quicker is continually applied - kind of "buck up Mr. Japan and you really think Russia is the provoker in the Ukraine, right!"

Interview: Russia-China military cooperation boosts global, regional security

OECD presses Japan to implement major structural reforms amid rising debt, lower living standards

For posterity: end of April, June, and September/October = issue(s), issue(s), summer for full viewing of Western bad, fall is start of resolution - that my version of the timeframe

Apr 15, 2015 - 12:02pm
Angry Chef
Apr 15, 2015 - 12:09pm

Munk Debates

Here is the link to the Munk Debates. I might add that getting rid of Putin isn't going to change anything. From my understanding he is considered a moderate inside of the Dumas. You get rid of Putin and you may end up with a radical war monger. Russia is not going away. Deal with it. From my perspective this all goes back to PNAC ( Project For A New American Century ) which is the Neo-Cons playbook for the planet. And the fact that Russia blocked the all out invasion of Syria. A week later we get ISIS. I see nothing good coming out of this unless the Neo-Cons are dragged out and either arrested or shot. Because we wouldn't just be fighting Russia. We would be fighting a divided Europe. Iran. And China. If China dumps the debt in defense of Russia the dollar is toast.

I'm praying that this doesn't get any uglier and in a macabre sort of way.... an uglier scenario is likely good for the metals. But what good is Gold and Silver going to do in an Apocalyptic scenario ? These people are crazy.

Safety Dan
Apr 15, 2015 - 12:44pm

Police Use Of Force Is Changed

While this isn't a rapidly-deteriorating situation like above, its still very important. The lines of 'Use Of Force' & 'Command Presence - Law Officer' are deteriorating. Did you see:

Video: Veteran Pulled Over by Camo-Wearing Cops In Armored Vehicle

Then see this 2007 video of a young man disrupting Horse Head's (Senator John Kerry, Turd's fav) speech. The young man was tasered at the 2:00 min mark in the 2:23 min video. He deserved it in my opinion. The key is how the police tried first to manage the situation, then tasered the disruptive young man. Could that be the police method of the past?

University of Florida student Tasered at Kerry forum
Footage Shows Moment When Montana Cop Shot Unarmed Man

My guess as to the difference in how the police are now handling cases could be due to Mossad Training, see below.

US Police Get “Anti-Terror Training” in Israel on Privately Funded Trips

United States Police Departments Are Being Trained By Mossad!

See more changed use of force by police in these video compilations:

Police Brutality Tasered 2015

Video unavailable

2014 Extreme Police Brutality in USA - RIP to all innocent ppl

Video unavailable

Why is the changed use of force by police important to you? Because of this:

Obama Unveils Plan to Further Nationalize Local Police

Mar 6, 2015 - The efforts to further nationalize and federalize law enforcement — a state and local responsibility under America's constitutional system

The Obama administration and its “Task Force on 21st Century Policing” are under fire after unveiling an unconstitutional plot to impose federal “standards” on state and local police forces, which critics say is in effect an underhanded plan to further nationalize and federalize law enforcement. Widely lambasted as “Common Core” for police, the Obama plan outlines dozens of controversial “recommendations” to be foisted on state and local law-enforcement agencies using federal tax dollars as bribes — the same unconstitutional process used to impose the hugely unpopular national “Common Core” standards on states and schools nationwide. Opponents say it is part of a dangerous long-term plan that must be opposed.

Local Police who are now using more force, without legal consequences, and will be Nationalized for White House 'Executive Orders'. Who needs Marshall Law when you have a Nationalized Police Force answering to the President and not local government?

What can be done? Write your Senator & Congressman. Let them see the differences..

Joseph Warren
Apr 15, 2015 - 1:04pm

An Old Tactic

War has been used as a tool of ruling elites for 'turning over the game board' many times.

Many historians look at World War 1 in puzzlement. How did the assassination of some fellow lead to a world war and the deaths of millions of people ? Researcher/writer F. William Engdahl has pointed out that the British Empire was in decline at that time. The British ruling elite had drained the country and its industry could no longer compete with Germany. Engdahl makes a good case that this was why the war was started. Here's an article by him. Its a little long, but a very interesting read for when you have the time:

Apr 15, 2015 - 3:46pm

From twitter

Direct link to the Munk Debate with Professor Cohen:

Angry Chef
Apr 15, 2015 - 4:07pm

An Old Tactic

I really enjoy William Engdahl. You should check out " Gods of Money ", Wall Street and the Death of the American Century. Great stuff. It would seem that the ilk that took down Britain in WWI now want to take out America in WWIII.

Joseph Warren
Apr 15, 2015 - 6:23pm

@Angry Chef Re: F. William Engdahl

+ 1 yes, Engdahl is great. I own and have read all his books.

Eye opening stuff that can change your view of the world

P.S. - it can also be argued that the conditions that existed at the end of WW1 led to WW2. If America hadnt entered WW1, a conflict in which the American people had no vital interests, the exhausted European combatants would have had to sue for a more equitable peace agreement among themselves. WW2 may never had been fought, and millions more lives would have been spared.

Like in our own times, propagandists fooled the American people (a large portion of which had some German ancestory) to go to war against 'the evil Hun' in WW1. Edward Bernays played a major role in this.

Angry Chef
Apr 15, 2015 - 6:27pm

RE: William Engdahl


So true. That's why I love this site. It's one of the only places I can have a decent discussion about what's happening. Everybody else I speak to, I may as well be having a conversation with a glazed doughnut.

Nick Elway
Apr 15, 2015 - 6:48pm

Re The Munk Debate


Thanks for the direct link.

Anne Applebaum's description of the Russian Regime (roughly 13:18 to 14:40) may be exactly correct. I believe almost all of her statements also apply to the Obama/Bush II Clinton/Bush I US regime (except Clinton and Obama and Bush II were/are reporting to higher-ups)

"the rulers are owners" check

"They took over the state in league with organized crime" check

"110 people control 35% of the country's wealth, all the media" hard to get the right numbers, but close to check

Ukraine appears to me to be an oligarch-vs-oligarch confrontation. The war party on the US side seems to want to maximize death and destruction.

I wonder if the ones in control of the West are also in control of Russia (and China?)

Apr 15, 2015 - 7:48pm

Because Kiev, of course, is governed by choir boys

Don't hold your breath waiting for the same MSM "outrage" that followed Nemtsov's murder last month:

A Ukrainian opposition politician, Oleg Kalashnikov, has been found dead with gunshot wounds in Kiev - the latest ally of the former government to have died in suspicious circumstances.

Mr Kalashnikov had been involved in the "anti-Maidan" protests in support of deposed President Viktor Yanukovych.

It is not clear if he was murdered or committed suicide. Police say an investigation has been launched.

At least eight Yanukovych allies have died suddenly in the last three months.

Apr 15, 2015 - 9:58pm

Delta Suspends Flights to Moscow Starting December Because of

Strong Dollar?

This is about as credible as Wally Mart's "sudden plumbing problems."

Frozen ground, particularly if it is rich irrigated farmland in the Eastern European region or Ukraine, is much more suitable to traffic by large, heavy mechanized and armored formations.

Major airlines do not become "major" by failing to read the tea leaves, ignoring impending risk, or failing to heed the warnings of their parent guberments.

They are one of the best organizations at ferreting out and keeping a pulse on impending conflicts.

So perhaps the reasons given are legitimate; perhaps not.

But, SUSPENDING flights to Moscow is a bit of a brash reaction. Don't you think ?

"Is US airline Delta's Moscow route the first major casualty of the strong dollar? The airline said today that it will suspend its flights to the Russian capital from December, as the rouble's volatility and the falling price of oil pushes down demand.

Moscow isn't the only one losing out: it will also cut its flights to Japan, Africa, India and the Middle East by up to a fifth.

In fact, its entire international capacity will be cut by three per cent during the winter. Ouch"

Joseph Warren
Apr 15, 2015 - 10:16pm
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