Another New JB-SFC


Another week has gone by but, contrary to western media reports, "The Ukraine Crisis" has not calmed or de-escalated. As has been the norm since February, this week's discussion between John Batchelor and Stephen F. Cohen is required listening.

Topics discussed this week include:

  • The terms and conditions of the alleged ceasefire
  • Why Poroshenko will soon visit the U.S. and address Congress
  • The likelihood of another "Maidan" revolution
  • The NATO alliance and the growing divisions within it all the while expanding the NATO military presence in Eastern Europe
  • The growing divisions on the Russian side between Putin and "Russian nationalists"

Once again, the information shared in these weekly discussion is nothing like anything else you'll find in the western media. Please make the time to give this a thorough listen.



Sep 17, 2014 - 9:36am

The US

is the only nation that gets to intervene in other countries. It's for the humans after all.

Sep 17, 2014 - 9:41am

@CPE- only US gets to intervene in other countries

That was different earlier, is not true anymore, and will be different in future.

Tibet was not occupied by the USA, or am I wrong with this one as well?

Mr. Fix
Sep 17, 2014 - 9:43am


These reports are good at documenting the level of chaos on the ground, but are lacking in explaining the Washington DC installed Nazi government in Kiev. Without a full understanding of who the players are, the context of what's happening becomes lost.

Where's the part that says this is a CIA operation designed to pillage, plunder, and antagonize Russia?

Obviously, there's lots of fighting going on, but it's by paid mercenaries of Western governments organized by Washington DC, and all we're seeing, is the war crimes they are committing, without assigning responsibility for said war crimes.

Still, it's nice to have eyeballs on the ground documenting the carnage.

Sep 17, 2014 - 9:46am


1 out of 189! Very good!

Sep 17, 2014 - 9:55am

@tyberious Shall we list all


Shall we list all countries USSR interfered with? Or You know nothing about them either?

Which is the starting time point for counting You use for these 189 ? Of course, when USA was only ruling empire, others could not do much. Others did the same when they had power. ALL of them all over the history. The scope varied with power and speed of transportation . I guess British Empire was pretty effective as well- and other Empires too. Russian Empire expansion included elimination of tens of states/tribes/clans over the course of centuries. Including parts of China which China of course remembers. etc.

I do not get the point, what is so special about USA aggression. That its the latest one of such scope. Fine, true,as power resided with USA for so long lately. But no principal difference here with other Empires except for possibilities given by technology and finance development. So?

Sep 17, 2014 - 10:02am
Sep 17, 2014 - 10:13am


my comment pointed out hypocrisy, nothing more. I have no agenda here other than truth, freedom, the rule of law, etc.

Mr. Fix
Sep 17, 2014 - 10:14am

One of the many other wars on humanity:

Bill Gates

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Sep 17, 2014 - 10:26am

If PM pricing continues to suffer at the SGE

Can we assume the Chinese are in bed with the banks as well and that hope is lost for a true market valuation? Is China behind the lower pricing and will they continue to suppress until it's out of everyone's hands?

I think we need Santa's opinion on this whole premise and what he thinks about Goldman, et all, being the drivers behind the market.

I am very nervous about this one...

Sep 17, 2014 - 11:04am

9/11 Commission Chair: Declassify EVERYTHING

9/11 Commissioners Want the Facts to Come Out

9/11 Commission chairman Thomas Keane has previously called for the declassification of the secret 28 pages of the Congressional 9/11 Inquiry, and said that 60-70% of what was classified shouldn’t have been classified in the first place.

The New Yorker reported last week:

Thomas Kean remembers finally having the opportunity to read those twenty-eight pages after he became chairman of the 9/11 Commission—“so secret that I had to get all of my security clearances and go into the bowels of Congress with someone looking over my shoulder.” He also remembers thinking at the time that most of what he was reading should never have been kept secret. But the focus on the twenty-eight pages obscures the fact that many important documents are still classified—“a ton of stuff,” Kean told me, including, for instance, the 9/11 Commission’s interviews with George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Bill Clinton. “I don’t know of a single thing in our report that should not be public after ten years,” Kean said.

9/11 Commission Co-Chair Lee Hamilton agrees.

And so does 9/11 Commissioner Tim Roemer. As the New Yorker writes:

“In some ways, it’s more dangerous today,” Timothy Roemer, who was a member of both the Joint Inquiry and the 9/11 Commission, observed. “A more complex series of threats are coming together than even before 9/11, involving ISIS, Al Qaeda, and cyber-terrorist capabilities. The more the American people know about what happened thirteen years ago, the more we can have a credible, open debate” about our security needs. Releasing the twenty-eight pages, he said, might be a step forward. “Hopefully, after some initial shock and awe, it would make our process work better. Our government has an obligation to do this.

And others who have seen the classified 9/11 materials agree that we can’t move forward with an effective security program until the American people know what’s in the classified materials. The New Yorker adds:

Thomas Massie, a Republican congressman from Kentucky and a sponsor of the House resolution to declassify the material, told me that the experience of reading those twenty-eight pages caused him to rethink how to handle the rise of ISIS. It has made him much more cautious about a military response. “We have to be careful, when we run the calculations of action, what the repercussions will be,” he said.

The Co-Chair of the congressional investigation into 9/11 – Senator Bob Graham – notes:

Although it’s been more than a decade ago when this horrific event occurred, I think [the questions of who supported the attacks] have real consequences to U.S. actions today.

Graham told PBS:

We need to have this information now because it’s relevant to the threat that the people of the United States are facing today.

And the Independent writes:

The rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) has been aided by the continuing failure of the US Government to investigate the role of Saudi Arabia in the 9/11 attacks and its support of jihadi movements such as al-Qaeda in the years since, says former Senator Bob Graham, the co-chairman of the official inquiry into 9/11.

Sep 17, 2014 - 11:09am


I understood so; but that also has historical and current precedents, it is just painful to find it so deeply ingrained and accepted in Your own country, that has been promoting different ideals for use of masses, right ?

My take: Either we are all in the same boat here, or we are the rulers. So we are in the same boat.

Sep 17, 2014 - 11:18am


in the link about the SGE

I noticed that the buildings are right at the edge of the water. I wonder if the gold vaults will be below sea level, and how much the seal level can rise before the vaults are flooded. (like the DTCC vaults at 56 water street.) if the SGE vaults are flooded, at least the gold in the vaults will not rot as the paper in the DTCC vault.

Urban Roman
Sep 17, 2014 - 11:23am

... And then there's this in the ME:

Funny how isis never decides to attack Israel. They're so close by. As someone said over at ZH, it depends on what the meaning of isis.

Mr. Fix
Sep 17, 2014 - 11:43am

The end game explained:

September 17, 2014

China Warns Of World War 3

By Susan Duclos

Lee Ann Mcadoo and Paul Joseph Watson discuss a variety of disturbing current events in the video below, but perhaps the most concerning of them all is the news that in the Chinese state-run People's Daily, a dire warning is issued by PLA Professor Han Xudong, who states that China should prepare for a "thirdworld war," which would stem from the conflict between the United States and Russia over Ukraine.

Via InfoWars:

As the Ukrainian crisis deepens, international observers have become more and more concerned about a direct military clash between the US and Russia. Once an armed rivalry erupts, it is likely to extend to the globe. And it is not impossible that a world war could break out,” writes Xudong, noting that “the world has entered an era of new forms of global war” based around the Internet and the concept of sea power.

From economic woes to military conflicts, the Ebola virus to ISIS, events are spiraling out of control, current events in the headlines read like a horror movie, chilling in their intensity and when looked at together, show a world on the very edge of collapse.

Sep 17, 2014 - 12:15pm

Volcker--saviour of western world, or banker stooge?

"The reality was that Paul Volcker was a monetary berserker. The task assigned to him by his Masters (the OldWorld Order) was not to “save” our economies – but to destroy them. In a recent commentary; Darryl Schoon identifies what Paul Volcker really represented:

In August 1971, at the urging of Paul Volcker, then Under-Secretary of the Treasury, President Nixon ended the convertibility of the dollar to gold; and for the first time in history gold was no longer money...

Paul Volcker took full responsibility for triggering capitalism’s end game. In a 2013 interview, Volcker explained his role in that consequential act with more than a modicum of pride: “I certainly was a major proponent of suspending gold convertibility, in fact the principal planner.”[emphasis mine]

As all sophisticated readers understand; it was the assassination of the gold standard (by Nixon/Volcker) which instigated the runaway inflation of the 1970’s – as all of our currencies were no longer “backed” (i.e. anchored) by any hard asset. Thus even if one actually believed the mythological account of Volcker’s exploits as written by the Revisionists; the best that could be said of this bankers’ stooge was that he was trying to fix a problem which he created."

"Simply, Paul Volcker is the Father of Debt Slavery. He (more than any other single individual alive today) is personally responsible for enslaving our governments (and our populations) in debt – and thus enslaving them to the holders of (the vast majority of) those debts: the bankers, more specifically, the One Bank. "

ancientmoney Urban Roman
Sep 17, 2014 - 12:22pm

Urban Roman, ag1969 re: ISIS, Israel and 9/11 . . .

"Funny how isis never decides to attack Israel. They're so close by."


Yes, with all the heavy weaponry they possess, and Israel being the devil incarnate to these people, why are we here in the U.S., half a world away, being warned to "duck and cover" as ISIS is coming? Doesn't it make wayyyyyyyyy more sense for them to simply drive toward Israeli border and pound away?

Oh, yeah, the CIA and Mossad created ISIS, I almost forgot . . .

And, the 28 "top secret" pages that appear to incriminate Saudi Arabia? Why now? Because SA is soon going to sell oil to China? And take Yuan rather than dollars?

Saudi Arabia did not plant the explosives in WTC building 1, 2, or 7. I wonder who did?

Sep 17, 2014 - 12:29pm

This was really quite

This was really quite coherent Cohen (now that I know his slight pro Russian bias) , interesting take institution by institution. Especially take on nationalists coming back to take control over Putin. I have heard Strelkov's announcement. Even with war, Putin is best bet for the West but for him to be protected, more of Eastern Europe will have to be given in . Further appeasement, further steps back allowing Russia to expand -first in Ukraine -which Putin will be forced to do ( or it will be made to look like he is forced) . West best bet is Putin since he will not launch nukes even if losing war. Nationalists will launch the nukes in that case or even prior to that.

And still its Putin who is Hitler; I think he will cling to power by feeling out the directions of what he has to do to maintain this power. He is smart Hitler was. Hitler appealed to most of Germans. His maximum popularity was reached after invasion of Czech ( invasion of East Ukraine) and partition of Czechoslovakia ( partition of Ukraine).

Putin will do what domestic politics require to keep himself at power. Its also a task i believe he has been given in 1999.

Thanks Turd.

Sep 17, 2014 - 12:46pm


Are these "nationalists" that you refer to the same as the "5th Column" that Strelkov mentioned in that Sep 11 press conference?

I have read many of Saker's postings, and in particular his "interpretation" of Strelkov's address/speech.

Are these nationalists a real threat to Putin or just an annoyance? Per Saker, a description of the "5th Column":

His description of the 5th column:

  • The roots of this 5th column go back to the Eltsin years
  • The liberation of Crimea took the 5th column by surprise
  • The 5th column is around President
  • There is a local 5th column in Donbass which has been and still is negotiating with Ukie oligarchs
  • The 5th column is composed of "liberals"
  • Putin is a moral threat to them because he has massive popular support
  • They want to overthrow Putin
  • They want to dismember Russia
  • This will be a long war on Russia
  • We are dealing with another 1905 and 1917 like situation
  • By saving Novorussia Russia can save itself
  • Western sanctions will hurt Russia and they will use them to discredit Putin
Lamenting Laverne
Sep 17, 2014 - 12:50pm

Repost from earlier thread - Laverne Batman Toledo moment

Repost of two posts on the "Is it really that simple" thread. Sorry for double-spamming, but I was so eager to post that I didn't think about that the thread was probably pretty much stale already.....

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Holy Batman Toledo!!

Submitted by Lamenting_Laver... on September 17, 2014 - 11:57am.

Hat Tip!


I just had a thought! Yes that is right.... It does happen on rare occasions ;-)

What if Gold is the new Interest? What if the RESET has already happened? What if the only piece left is to announce it?

But first - I read the outstanding guest piece from Sprott Thoughts and saw they used a chart from FRED that "violates numbers to fit into one chart" as well, so if they can post charts like that without ridicule, then I can post mine too.

I made it in June so the last data point is from 23. May 2014. The legend is:

Purple: Gold/100. Red: 10yr UST Interest Rate. Blue: 10yr UST Price/10. Orange: GBP. Turquoise: EUR. Green: YEN*100. Grey: Brent Crude/100. So absolute values are skewed, but I was interested in seeing the relative movement between the "skewed in a fixed way through the years" values, if that makes sense.

As the Sprott article explains, Interest Rate has performed the function of Purchasing Power Preserver in Oil terms during the first many years for entities forced to hold Sovereign Debt. I never quite realized that angle, because we have been submerged in weirdness with debasement of the currency and massive Bond Buying at the same time. But it makes more sense now. In the transition period when Interest stopped performing its PPP function, Bond Price itself became the yield through Capital Gains relative to other markets. As well as Gold being allowed to start picking up the slack.

Based on my chart, I made the following observations:

1) Gold followed Interest up until the 1980 Slam.

2) After that Gold followed both Price and Interest at different sections of time.

3) Notice where the blue arrow pointing to the Blue Price. This is where it becomes very visible that Interest Rate and Price is "out of sync". If you follow the two red lines back in time, and see where Interest was last time Price hit the same level and compare to where Interest is at the Price point with the blue arrow, it is clear that Interest Rate has been shifted significantly lower and "out of sync". I think this is the work of IRS derivatives as well as the explanations given in the Sprott article. Notice how Gold reacted to that overall move, but was quelled as well. (This was the time of the introduction of the EUR and the first CB agreement on Gold.)

4) Notice how the later "Cycle Wobbles", which are very imprecise to say the least - but still they reveal that Interest Rate tops seems to become more and more subdued - suggesting continued "out of sync" force at work. Also the wobbles get shorter in duration, which matched the info in a BIS paper I read, that the IRS durations had shortened from mid-late 1980'ies to 1993, when the paper was written. I take that to mean that the bulk is now in 2-4 or 5 year durations, but I have not yet been able to verify this.

5) By early 2001, Gold starts picking up the slack from Interest. Look how it moves across the whole structure - overshoots - and reverts to Price x 10 level. Bridging the Gap - or - Catching up to Price. As the Sprott article says - realization that Interest in the current system will never be able to perform the function of Purchasing Power Preserver in Oil terms again.

6) Look how the Currencies are getting tighter and tighter together - which suggests to me that Currencies are not picking up any imbalances and they are merely arranged to stay tight - letting Price, Interest and Gold do the real balancing.

OK - so now to the questions above:

Many of us have been expecting a RESET and some combination of debt-deflation and inflation episode. The reset has been expected to be from a revaluation of Gold reserves to balance the currency debasement and trade imbalances already baked in the cake - or to give credibility to a new currency, when debt destruction destroys confidence in previous governance. Or similar.

What if the first part of this reset - has already occurred from 2001 to now? So that Gold has "caught up to a price level", where it can start picking up the role of PPP Interest again without a complete destruction of the current bond values? I still think there will be a significant revaluation, but that can be due to market forces, because Interest Weight (see explanation below) cannot be paid with naked paper - so the current paper leverage going poof, will revalue phys significantly all by itself.

I always used to think that Sovereign debt principal in the new system would be ultimately settled in Gold, if imbalances could not be cleared through mutual trade.

What if the Big Boyz announced a debt re-structure where old sovereign debt is rolled over into a new structure, where the Principal is payable in currency as normal and only Interest is payable in Gold Weight - not currency equivalent?

That would mean that future excess issuance of debt would automatically produce purchasing pressure on Gold - and result in higher "interest" or value on the Interest Weights to be paid - which would automatically temper the gluttony for more debt.

And with Gold belonging to the finite world - there is a natural built in stop for how much total world wide Interest obligation that can be taken on.

And manipulating the "Gold Interest Rate" would require physical hoards of gigantic proportions given the size of the world debt markets.

And if savers are not happy with the current valuation of Gold for Interest payment, they can demand more Weight in the next issuance - again acting to re-balance manipulative effects.

And a higher Gold price would directly reward savers and incentivize them to sell a bit for consumption and pleasure or (gasp) deployment into productive activities, while enabling borrowers to pay back Interest on Debt in a tempering fashion, while still keeping access to credit open for (gasp) other potentially productive activities.

Missa like this thought. Even if it turns out to not be correct. I like it because it represents transition without mayhem more so that just revaluating official CB reserves. And it represents respect for savers and prudent financial behavior. It forces deployment of Gold, which will mean that the CB's that are lying about their reserves, can no longer lie, because they have to come up with the real stuff to borrow from other CBs.

I had a friend, who told me that there were forces at work in Switzerland to "mobilize" Gold. I think that something along these lines is exactly what he meant.

I also think that the IMF reforms with doubling of quotas is a direct piece in this puzzle as to the who and when the "debt-restructure" from old format to new format will be/could be announced.

OK - ramblings over and out. Fire away. What did I miss?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This chart also made me pause

Submitted by Lamenting_Laver... on September 17, 2014 - 12:11pm.

Hat Tip!


This was posted on ZH the other day.

It depicts the bond spreads between Bunds and French Bonds, I think. Notice the profile. Where have we seen this before?? I can't explain why, but it sure looks like Gold albeit with a slightly less volatile profile from 2012.

SamSchlepps reminded us of derivatives as "price-control-grid". This chart suggests strongly to me that Gold is sitting smack in the middle of that control grid next to interest rates.

But again I cannot explain exactly how. If someone here can, I am all ears/eyes ;-)

Sep 17, 2014 - 12:53pm


No "nationalists"- if You did listen to podcast- are Strelkov at al who want to march further West-in Ukraine for starters- , and as Cohen said, has come to Moscow to "guard Putin against himself".

They are exactly opposite to Yelstsin, 180 degrees; they are NOT 5th column, naturally. They are after 5th column.

Sorry for being unclear.

Sep 17, 2014 - 12:57pm

Thanks, Turd

Thank you for continuing to post the Bachelor/Cohen discussions. They are a great weekly summary and focus on the RELEVANT issues wrt what's happening in Ukraine. Thank you, sir!

Sep 17, 2014 - 1:03pm

Interesting to hear Cohen

speak of the comparative unanimity of the US media (in what I would describe as their sycophancy towards Obama). But then, it is only recently that Cohen acknowledged he had sorrowfully become disabused from believing the media's report that Obama is the great and sinless one who singlehandedly will usher in a new Age of Aquarius, once the evil Congressional opponents have been properly silenced and crushed.

I wonder if the Russian film studios will offer us a depiction of Cohen's word picture where Putin singlehandedly triumphs over the 4,000 member Rapid Deployment Force.

Sep 17, 2014 - 1:07pm

LL re: Holy Batman toledo . . .

Maybe the reset has begun, as you think . . . paying back principal with fiat currency, and interest in physical gold. . . a combination not unlike the new $100 note:

DeaconBenjamin ancientmoney
Sep 17, 2014 - 1:08pm

The evil Volcker

I have no great admiration for Paul Volcker, the father of "Too Big To Fail" (see Continental Illinois). But it seems to me that the evil character in this story is Harry Dexter White, the communist who designed and pushed this international financial system through Bretton Woods wherein the US was forced to exchange its gold for its paper. White designed the system to fail, and take down the US with it -- why should we be so surprised he succeeded?

Sep 17, 2014 - 1:20pm

German provincial leader defends 'Russia Day'

“It's in the interest of our state to build up our economic relationships with Russia further,” Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania state premier Erwin Sellering said of the planned event in Rostock from September 30th to October 1st.

“I think the event is the right signal even in the current situation.”

He added lots of firms in the region had shown interest in doing business with Russia despite mutually-applied sanctions banning the import of certain types of food from the EU. Russia is the state's biggest trading partner.

The Social Democrat (SPD) premier of the north-eastern state was responding to criticism of his state's policy that has mounted as the date of the “Russia Day” approaches.

He has been called a “Putin sympathizer” by fellow politicians and media commentators for sticking to the plans, while Germany and Russia are at odds over the Ukraine crisis.

But he dismissed those calling him a "Putin Versteher" - a German term for those who are sympathetic towards Putin's policies - in a pugnacious interview with the Welt newspaper last week.

“The stupidest contributors to this crisis are those who speak dismissively of people who try to understand Putin. It's the so-called Putin sympathisers who are trying to find a way out of this crisis,” Sellering argued.

“My experiences enable me to judge in this matter,” he continued in the most striking section of the interview.

“I learned that in a conflict no-one is 100 percent in the right. You only find common ground when you try to take the interests of your counterpart seriously... you can't speak eye-to-eye unless you understand what's going on inside the other person.”

While mutually applied sanctions are already hitting the balance sheets of Russian banks and German farmers, Sellering said it was important to maintain economic lines of communication.

“It's important to keep conversations going, even in tough times,” he said. “A regional business meeting like this can be a small contribution to that.”

Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder (SPD) is also scheduled to take part in the Russia Day, and the state premier leans on his example as someone who “managed to build up a relationship of partnership with Russia”.

Schröder joined the board of Russian energy giant Gazprom after leaving office and was criticized in April for celebrating his 70th birthday in St Petersburg with Russia President Vladimir Putin.

He has also defended Russia's response to the Ukraine crisis.

But the feeling that good relations with Russia shouldn't be sacrificed over Ukraine isn't restricted to left-wing politicians in Germany.

The right-wing anti-euro party Alternative for Germany (AfD) also contains "Putin Versteher" among its ranks. Two of its politicians in the European Parliament - Beatrix von Storch and Marcus Pretzell - voted against Ukraine's association agreement with the European Union on Tuesday.

Lamenting Laverne
Sep 17, 2014 - 1:30pm

@ Ancient - Yes

Exactly. That new dollar bill is surely another piece of the puzzle - not yet fully answered. The Gold - The Liberty Bell - The Golden Ink Well. Currency notes always have a lot of symbolism in them. One day it will be clearer what it means precisely and by then we may also understand the delay in release of that currency note after "production difficulties and creases/folds" put pallet-loads on hold....

Edit: I didn't actually think the interest payment in weights had started yet - but you have a point that since the notes have been released - it just might be so. It may also explain the willingness to let Gold flow East in a slightly different way.

ancientmoney DeaconBenjamin
Sep 17, 2014 - 1:48pm

Deacon Benjamin re: Bretton Woods . . .

Prior to Bretton Woods, the world was on a gold standard. Bretton Woods just made the dollar "as good as gold" internationally.

It was "guns and butter" Johnson that started the deficits that forced U.S. to repay to the ROW (in gold as they repatriated dollars) when France/DeGaulle saw the light.

Sep 17, 2014 - 2:08pm

Yes A-money

Isn't it funny the number of news stories we have seen about the 28 redacted pages. And everyone whom has seen them, that I have seen, has said it will surprise us when we see the truth, but none of them have come out and said it was Saudi Arabia. Yet, speculation about the 28 pages always points to Saudi Arabia.

Oh well. If it was nukes, then it wasn't Saudi Arabia, now was it?

It is a shame that these criminals are not only NOT exposed, indicted, and in jail, but are still running the show, and still slaughtering people the world over.

Yep, America is exceptional alright.....

ancientmoney ag1969
Sep 17, 2014 - 2:19pm

ag1969 re: 9/11 spooks . . .

"If it was nukes, then it wasn't Saudi Arabia, now was it?"


No, it wasn't. Even if it wasn't (mini) nukes, I doubt the CIA would have allowed Saudi access to their lair, Building 7, which was a thorough, perfect, controlled demolition.

Sep 17, 2014 - 2:26pm

@ 28 minutes

"Putin personally can judo and knock all 4,000 (Nato soldiers) out" Good thing we have Chuck Norris.

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