Vital, New Batchelor-Cohen


With all of today's varied rumors of war and peace, it is more important that ever that you stay updated on The Ukraine Crisis. To that end, here is last evening's podcast from John Batchelor and Stephen F. Cohen.

This podcast could not be more timely. Please take the time to give it a thorough listen but the second half, beginning near the 20:00 mark, is particularly pertinent given the NATO summit that begins tomorrow in Wales.

Again, more information on John Batchelor can be found here:

More info on Prof. Cohen can be found here:

And here's a link to Professor Cohen's latest article entitled "Patriotic Heresy vs The New Cold War":



Sep 3, 2014 - 9:45am

It's the End of the World

as we know it, and I've got goooooooooold

R.E.M. - It's The End Of The World
Sep 3, 2014 - 9:57am

War and Peace

At this point and time, I seriously doubt that a nuke from Russia to NYC would move the price of gold.

Sep 3, 2014 - 10:06am

Repost from end of last

Repost from end of last thread

Midterms coming up in a couple of weeks so this Friday's jobs figures should be a right laugh. If I were a betting man I'd expect a drop in the metals due to a good job number (unless something geopolitical happens). A good job figure would look good for the Dems leading up to the midterms and also help push au (and ag too) through that triangle mentioned in a chart earlier and force an extended sell down. DYODD though as these are just my own thoughts.

Sep 3, 2014 - 10:07am

Woody in Estonia

As you listen to Prof Cohen from last evening, consider these remarks that Woody just made in the last few hours in Estonia, where he spoke before traveling to the NATO summit:


Sep 3, 2014 - 10:10am

And this is fun to hear...

John concludes the program with "all along the watchtowers of the cold war"...

Sep 3, 2014 - 10:12am

Metals are trading in Fantasy land

stack until Adventure Land

Sep 3, 2014 - 10:33am

RE: Woody in Estonia

"And just as we never accepted the occupation and illegal annexation of the Baltic nations, we will not accept Russia’s occupation and illegal annexation of Crimea or any part of Ukraine."

Reckless and provocative.

Sep 3, 2014 - 10:58am

Good golly miss Molly

Bachelor asked Cohen....Following the money, what is in this for the European countries supporting NATO against Russia? Cohen basically said he didn't have the answer.

He should become a turdite where he could get some education regarding what Russian de-dollarization will do for the USD hegemony.

Sep 3, 2014 - 10:59am

Maund on gold, silver . . . up or down from here? Yup.

"The West is looking for trouble with Russia – and like most people who go looking for trouble, they are going to find it – this is a situation that could quickly lead to a World War. They have made it obvious that they are not interested in compromise – they want to overcome and subdue Russia, and the consequences are likely to be grave – especially for Europe which is on the front line. We have gone into this in detail on the site and will not look at it further here, but it deserves to be mentioned at the outset, because this could drive a meteoric rise in Precious Metal prices – and it could start with a big move that seems to come out of nowhere."

Maund went into great detail in a previous article (highly recommended) about how the bankers are in need of war against the BRICs to maintain control of oil and the reserve currency of the world. In this one he goes back to TA on the PMs.

Sep 3, 2014 - 11:01am

What would you expect if you kept poking a bear with a stick?

I'm surprised that Putin is showing as much restraint as he is. I'd also guess those in control of US policy are also surprised, and wish a different outcome.

Sep 3, 2014 - 11:02am

@10:33 AM Huhhh? What is US president supposed to say???

Why should we accept Russian's occupation and annexations in Ukraine? Ukraine just had free elections. The people have spoken. And it seems the populace of Mariupol isn't looking for Russian annexation, but Russia is knocking at their door.

No different than a cultural group wanting to separate (remember US Civil War?), and Quebec's move to independence which was rejected by Quebec voters.

I've only listened to two of the John Batchelor-Cohen broadcasts but surely, Cohen can't be the sole expert on all things Ukraine.

ancientmoney Libero
Sep 3, 2014 - 11:16am

Libero re: Ukraine annexations . . .

The only annexed area so far is Crimea, which the people overwhelmingly voted for. There are other regions of Ukraine that prefer Russian governance than NATO/European.

It was the U.S.-led overthrow of the elected Ukrainian government that has led to this morass. Vickie Nuland declared the U.S. spent $5,000,000,000 to get Ukraine splintered--and remember her famous warcry, "fuck the EU!"

Safety Dan
Sep 3, 2014 - 11:20am



Your super-government at work: 6000 foreign students vanish into thin air

The Department of Homeland Security has lost track of more than 6,000 foreign nationals who entered the United States on student visas, overstayed their welcome, and essentially vanished — exploiting a security gap that was supposed to be fixed after the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks.

My greatest concern is that they could be doing anything,” said Peter Edge, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement official who oversees investigations into visa violators. “Some of them could be here to do us harm.”

Is this a joke? Please, someone, tell me this is a joke. If so, it’s not a joke the Super-Government told voluntarily. Apparently they weren’t going to tell us about the missing visa holders until ABC News dug into the story and obliged them to fess up:

Homeland Security officials disclosed the breadth of the student visa problem in response to ABC News questions submitted as part of an investigation into persistent complaints about the nation’s entry program for students.

ABC News found that immigration officials have struggled to keep track of the rapidly increasing numbers of foreign students coming to the U.S. — now in excess of one million each year. The immigration agency’s own figures show that 58,000 students overstayed their visas in the past year. Of those, 6,000 were referred to agents for follow-up because they were determined to be of heightened concern.

“They just disappear,” said Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla. “They get the visas and they disappear.”

Coburn said since the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, 26 student visa holders have been arrested in the U.S. on terror-related charges.

I’m sure the rest of them are lovable “dreamers” who broke our immigration laws in an “act of love,” and can’t wait to become taxpayers.

ancientmoney Safety Dan
Sep 3, 2014 - 11:24am

Disappearing foreigners . . .

I bet every one of those people have credit cards and cell phones. The NSA could easily sniff them out--if they wanted to . . .

Sep 3, 2014 - 11:25am

coiling coiling coiling

Repost from end of last thread.

Remember, the yellow trend resistance in the upper right is what we need to beat to turn the silver rally switch to "on" again. Not close enough for an attack to the upside yet. Enjoy the coil for what it is. Just buying time. And silver.

Safety Dan
Sep 3, 2014 - 11:26am

Former CIA Operative: Yes,

Former CIA Operative: Yes, ISIS is in The U.S.

Katie Pavlich | Sep 03, 2014

Former CIA operative Bob Baer told CNN's Jake Tapper last night that ISIS is in the United States and capable of carrying out an attack. 

"What are your sources telling you about ISIS and any cells in the United States?" Tapper asked.

"The people who collect tactical intelligence on the ground, day-to-day, and this isn't Washington, but people collecting this stuff say they're here, ISIS is here, they're capable of striking. They don't know what their plans and intentions are. But it's a definite concern," Baer said. "The people who do this for a living are very alarmed." 

Baer also said ISIS terrorists may have entered through the U.S. southern border with Mexico or through airports on American passports.

Unable to link video here. See link above.

Just yesterday the State Department would not confirm whether U.S. passports belonging to Americans confirmed to be working with ISIS overseas have been revoked. In July American Moner Mohammad Abusalha, who was fighting for ISIS in Syria, came home to the United States before returning to Syria to carry out a suicide bombing.

Sep 3, 2014 - 11:28am


There is always more than one side to the story. Diplomacy should recognize that.

There is a bigger picture here that Batchelor and Cohen get that most others don't.

What is the "big picture" for Obama? Think about that for a while...

[Edit: and I don't think it is (just) this...


When the U.S. welched on Shevardnadze [Commentary]

By Ray McGovern

Updated July 15, 2014

Absent from U.S. media encomia for recently deceased former Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze is any mention of the historic deal he reached with his U.S. counterpart James Baker in 1990 ensuring that the Soviet empire would collapse "with a whimper, not a bang" (Mr. Baker's words).

Mr. Baker keeps repeating that the Cold War "could not have ended peacefully without Shevardnadze." But he and others are silent on the quid pro quo. The quid was Moscow's agreement to swallow the bitter pill of a reunited Germany in NATO; the quo was a U.S. promise not to "leapfrog" NATO over Germany farther East. Washington welched on the deal.

It began to unravel in October 1996 during the last weeks of President Bill Clinton's campaign for re-election. Mr. Clinton bragged that he would welcome Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic into NATO, explaining, "America truly is the world's indispensable nation" (and, sotto voce, can do what it wants).

Those three countries joined NATO in 1999, and by April 2009, nine more became members, bringing the post-Cold War additions to 12 — equal to the number of the original 12 NATO states. The additional nine included the former Baltic Republics that had been part of the USSR, but not Ukraine. NATO intentions, however, were made clear at its summit in Bucharest in April 2008, which formally declared, "Georgia and Ukraine will be in NATO."

Even hawkish former American national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski now concedes, "It is reasonable for Russia to feel uncomfortable about the prospect" of Ukraine in NATO. And that is the nub of today's crisis there — not the "chauvinistic fanaticism" Mr. Brzezinski attributes to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The foundering of the unique opportunity in 1990 to create a lasting peace in what President George H. W. Bush called a "Europe whole and free" was a tragedy. The expansion of NATO to the east — especially the decision to bring in Georgia and Ukraine — led, among other things, to Georgian-Russian hostilities in August 2008 and now to the current violence in Ukraine.

The fact that the Shevardnadze-Baker agreement was not recorded in an official document has helped revisionists to create alternative history, but there is compelling evidence testifying to Washington's reneging on key oral commitments to Moscow.

Then-U.S. Ambassador to the USSR Jack Matlock, who took part in both the Bush-Gorbachev early-December 1989 summit in Malta and the Shevardnadze-Baker discussions in early February 1990, told me, "The language used was absolute, and the entire negotiation was in the framework of a general agreement that there would be no use of force by the Soviets and no 'taking advantage' by the U.S. ... I don't see how anybody could view the subsequent expansion of NATO as anything but 'taking advantage,' particularly since, by then, Russia was hardly a credible threat."

On February 10, 1990, German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher told Shevardnadze, "For us, one thing is certain: NATO will not expand to the east." Melvin Goodman, co-author of "The Wars of Eduard Shevardnadze," has told me that, during an interview of Shevardnadze in March 1994, the former foreign minister said Mr. Baker had assured him that NATO "would not jump over" East Germany for new members.

Three months after the overthrow of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and installation of a pro-Western government in Kiev, Russian President Vladimir Putin complained: "But tomorrow Ukraine might become a NATO member, and the day after tomorrow missile defense units of NATO could be deployed in this country."

Mr. Putin keeps coming back specifically to "missile defense" in NATO countries — or adjacent waters. On April 17, he said the issue is "probably even more important than NATO's eastward expansion. Incidentally, our decision on Crimea was partially prompted by this logic: If we don't do anything, Ukraine will be drawn into NATO … and NATO ships would dock in Sevastopol."

President Putin added: "If these systems are deployed closer to our borders, our ground-based strategic missiles will be within their striking range." Even Mr. Brzezinski might agree that "it is reasonable for Russia to feel uncomfortable" about NATO ships docking in Crimea. Among the chief reasons: The current version of the missile defense plan includes ship-borne systems.

In his book, "Duty," former Defense Secretary Robert Gates notes that the Russians consider the latest plan even worse than earlier ones because it might eventually have capabilities against Russian ICBMs. He added dismissively, "Making the Russians happy wasn't exactly on my to-do list."

Ray McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years, serving as chief of the Soviet Foreign Policy Branch and then deputy national intelligence officer for Western Europe. Now retired, he co-founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) in January, 2003.


Safety Dan
Sep 3, 2014 - 11:45am

Tuesday September 2, 2014 –

Tuesday September 2, 2014 – (Ret.) Lt. General Thomas McInerney & (Ret.) Major General Paul Vallely


Topic : Retired U.S. Air Force Lt. General Thomas McInerney tells Rick why America must go to DEFCON 1 immediately. Retired U.S. Army General Paul Vallely tells Rick that a constitutional crisis is quickly approaching which may require the U.S. military to take action domestically to save the Republic. 

Tuesday September 2, 2014 [Download

Stand Up America


Sep 3, 2014 - 12:00pm

make-in 'em dance n' sing

ALL wars are Banker's wars

They are pounding the drums so feverishly, dragging-out every stern-faced puppet they have

and make-in 'em dance n' sing.

They must be truly desperate - they must be in wicked horrible straights financially,

AND politically.

Sep 3, 2014 - 12:02pm

Another snippet from Maund . . .

"It is a tragic irony that by doing Washington’s bidding and going on the warpath against Russia, Europe is “digging its own grave” not just militarily, since it is in the frontline should a major war erupt, but economically as well – already mortally weakened by years of bureaucratic bungling and incompetence, it is facing the collapse of the euro and disintegration. This is a big reason for the dollar’s strength as investors leg it out of Europe to the relative security of the US. "

Sep 3, 2014 - 12:16pm

nothing to see here

Nato summit: £3.5bn armoured vehicle deal to be signed

ASCOD SV under development by General Dynamics UK
The Ministry of Defence is set to sign a £3.5bn deal for nearly 600 new armoured vehicles ahead of the Nato summit in Wales.

The MoD will sign the order for 589 Scout Specialist Vehicles at General Dynamics in Caerphilly county.

David Cameron said the deal would aid UK security and "underpin" many jobs.

At the two-day summit in Newport, due to start on Thursday, the UK will call for increased defence spending by some of Nato's 28 member states.

Mr Cameron said the Scout deal would be the Army's largest single order for armoured vehicles for more than 30 years.

Sep 3, 2014 - 12:17pm

Russia announces mass drills ahead of NATO summit

MOSCOW, Sept. 3 (Xinhua) -- Russia announced Wednesday that its strategic missile forces (RVSN) will hold large-scale drills in southern Siberia this month.

The announcement came a day before the two-day NATO summit kicks off in Wales, where leaders will discuss pressing issues concerning the situation in Eastern Europe, the Middle East and North Africa.

"More than 4,000 military personnel and about 400 pieces of hardware will take part in the drills to be held in the Altai region," RVSN spokesman Dmitry Andreyev told reporters.

The servicemen will carry out combat missions under electronic countermeasures, he said, adding the exercises will for the first time involve aircraft, including MiG-31 interceptors and SU-24MR reconnaissance jets.

Earlier Wednesday, the Russian armed forces held a number of drills across the country, including joint anti-aircraft defense exercises with Indian forces in southern Astrakhan region and tactical maneuvers with Belarussian troops near the Black Sea port of Novorossiisk, the Defense Ministry's press service said.

In the westernmost enclave of Kaliningrad, the Baltic Fleet also held exercises on Wednesday to improve coordination between the warships artillery and the coastal T-72 tank units.

Sep 3, 2014 - 12:23pm

ISIS now threatens Russia and promises to liberate the Caucasus

Vladimir Putin was today directly and personally threatened by the Islamic State because of his close ties to Syrian leader Bashar Hafez al-Assad.

The chilling warning, delivered by a member of the terror group, puts the Kremlim leader on the same side as the West in holding back Muslim extremism.

But at the same time, he remains at loggerheads with the U.S. and Europe in the worst crisis since the Cold War.

Warning: Vladimir Putin was today directly and personally threatened by the Islamic State because of his close ties to Syrian leader Bashar Hafez al-Assad. Above, an ISIS rebel delivers the chilling warning on video

Warning: Vladimir Putin was today directly and personally threatened by the Islamic State because of his close ties to Syrian leader Bashar Hafez al-Assad. Above, an ISIS rebel delivers the chilling warning on video

In a video on Al-Arabiya TV channel, an ISIS rebel sits in the cockpit of a captured Russian-made fighter aircraft in the Tabak area of the Syrian province of Rakka.

A second fighter warns: 'This message is addressed to you, oh Vladimir Putin. These are your aircraft which you sent to Bashar, and with the help of Allah we will send them back to you.

'Remember this. And with the permission of Allah we will liberate Chechnya and all the Caucasus.

"The Islamic State exists and it will exist and it will expand with the help of Allah. Your throne is already shaking. It is in danger and it will collapse when we get to you. We are on the way with Allah's permission.'

The threatening footage comes with Russian subtitles, but the voice of a Russian speaker can be heard too.

Sep 3, 2014 - 12:29pm

France suspends delivery of helicopter carriers to Russia

Last updated Wed 3 Sep 2014

France has suspended delivery of two Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia, it has been confirmed.

ITV News Europe editor James Mates is in Ukraine monitoring developments.


Big development: France has suspended the delivery of Ist of 2 'Mistral' helicopter carriers to #Russia Russian sailors already on board.

16:11 - 3 September 2014


Big step for France - #Mistral orders huge, with 2nd being built. V important for their shipbuilders.

6:13 - 3 September 2014


Statement #Hollande - 'Russian actions in E #Ukraine have breached the foundations of security in Europe'. Conditions not met for delivery.

Sep 3, 2014 - 12:31pm

Another resource

Ukraine crisis: France halts warship delivery to Russia

Breaking news

France has said conditions are "not right" for delivery of the first of two Mistral assault navy ships to Russia.

President Francois Hollande's office blamed Moscow's recent actions in Ukraine.

France had until now resisted pressure to halt the delivery.

Correspondents say the EU has struggled to tighten sanctions against Russia, restricting itself to travel bans and asset freezes against individuals.

Sep 3, 2014 - 12:38pm
Sep 3, 2014 - 12:43pm

suddenly nobody has a video camera??

i don't mean to offend anyone, and i might just be missing the point, but this whole thing smells of kabuki theater. I remember the Kiev(?) live feeds... but now what?

I tried twice to make it through the podcast show, and it might be because i just woke up, but i can't follow it. It seemed to take a U.N. quote or anonymous report and then go on about what that might mean. where are the videos? What's going on right now?

Is there anything giong on there that is verifiable and that is any 'bigger of a deal' than the military and similar police actions going on in Central/South America, Africa, the middle-east etc??

And i get it that this is what the system wants us to focus on, so for the sake of trying to decipher what they want us to takeaway... i'm trying. But i'm not tracking. I guess what i'm saying is... (and i have had trouble paying attention to this one), but even if it is kabuki theater, fine,... what am I supposed to be afraid of with this one? Do they have an overall point?

right now i'm at-- they rioted in kiev and overthrew their head guy, then there was a lot of posturing and Putin gave a speech, then there have been a lot of conflicting reports, a plane was shot down and a convoy of trucks spent several weeks traveling to deliver some food somewhere. now the russian army has invaded somewhere but nobody is sure about this (that's weird) and NATO (NATO??) representatives are meeting in Wales. 

Maybe it's like that movie Heaven's Gate. ... a "western" (i watched it on the 'western' channel anyway) that was over 3 hours long!!! Critics said that they tried to over-do too many of the less important parts, and even I could tell that the scenes would drag out much much longer than they needed to. (like this note i'm writing) but Ukraine?... wow. does anybody have a link to the trailer?

Sep 3, 2014 - 12:50pm

And in this thread, i feel i


in this thread, i feel i am "Back in the USSR". 

I wonder, may be life there was not so bad after all? Was I misunderstanding something. One thing though, is that it fell apart instantly, people who were not part of party/KGB elite just sighed happily; huh, finally this communist party shit is over. No need to pretend anymore and lead double lives. Was quite nice feeling, end of 80-ties/early 90-ties. 

Shevardnadze/Baker or no Shevardnadze/Baker, USSR was kept together by imaginary fear, which suddenly evaporated. I guess after Gorbachev opened access to information for people, even North Korea scenario was not possible anymore, so stupid suddenly the whole system had become. Of course USA helped to push Su over the cliff. 

But what do I know. Must go read some Russian chauvinist strategy book to understand how the world should be organized .

What I see is Chinese backed Hitler hitting back on post 90-ties emotional distresses Russian Empire was put through. Does that justify Hitler's/Putler's actions? ( Hitler came to power because oh Germans were so badly treated after Versailles-while in reality he was USA banker installed puppet). Putin is Rothschild installed puppet. 

You ain't seen nothing yet. Be nice to Mr.Putin, he will come to West Europe doorstep fast. And Chinese bankers will celebrate as they give loans and deliver goods to Russia or may be all warring states. And reserve currency will come to China as it did after WWI and WWII to the USA. 

But what do Americans care.

ancientmoney ivars
Sep 3, 2014 - 1:17pm

ivars, should we push Russia to war?

Is that your solution? If not, what is it?

Sep 3, 2014 - 1:27pm

Wake Up Material

I found this in my desk at school today and thought that it would be a relevant piece of information for those starting to wake up or for those who are trying to wake others up. This can be found all over the web, but my copy is an actual copy from a newspaper of the 1960's. Its been in my desk for years, but every time I come across it it seems like more and more of the points have been accomplished.

Communist Rules for Revolution

In May 1919 at Dusseldorf, Germany, the allied forces discovered a copy of these 'Rules.' They were first printed in the United States in the 'Bartlesville (Oklahoma) Examiner-Enterprise' the same year, 1919.

Almost 20 years later, in 1946, the attorney general of Florida obtained them from a known member of the Communist Party, who acknowledged that the 'Rules' were then still a part of the Communist program for the United States.

1. Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial. Destroy their ruggedness.

2. Get control of all means of publicity.

3. Get people's minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and other trivialities.

4. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.

5. Destroy the people's faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and obloquy.

6. Always preach true democracy, but seize power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible.

7. By encouraging government extravagance, destroy its credit and produce fear of inflation with rising prices and general discontent.

8. Foment unnecessary strikes in vital industries, encourage civil disorders, and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward such disorders.

9. By specious argument cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues, honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.

10. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscating them and leaving the populace helpless.

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