The Latest Batchelor-Cohen Ukraine Discussion


I was able to listen to this broadcast live earlier Tuesday evening. The information discussed is so important and immediately relevant that I thought I should repost it here as soon as possible.

You must understand several things:

  1. The Ukraine "National Guard" that is ravaging the Donbass region is NOT the Ukraine Army. Instead, it is made up of 7 or 8 militias over which the central government in Kiev has limited control.
  2. The "humanitarian convoy" that left Moscow yesterday did so with great fanfare, including the blessing of a Russian Orthodox bishop. Obviously, the Russians think that getting this convoy into Eastern Ukraine is very important.
  3. This convoy is due to arrive at the Ukraine border sometime late Thursday or early Friday.
  4. How the Ukraine militias act and react with this convoy is the great unknown and the situation is ripe for disaster.
  5. Putin and most of the leaders of the state Duma will travel to Crimea on Thursday and, while there, Putin plans to give a major speech. Professor Cohen reports that several of his contacts in Russia think this speech is a prelude to invasion.

All of this is coming to a head over the next 48-72 hours. It is extraordinarily important that you are paying attention to this crisis and you should absolutely make time to listen to this entire podcast.

Again, more on Professor Stephen F. Cohen can be found here:

And The John Batchelor Show airs nightly on American radio. You can find more information here:



Spartacus Rex
Aug 13, 2014 - 1:13am
Aug 13, 2014 - 1:42am

Another Turdville Advantage.

Thanks for turning me on to this particular podcast - great info and extremely relevant. If I relied on the MSM - I would have an entirely different view of the Ukraine situation.

Aug 13, 2014 - 1:54am


woo hoo Love listening to these guys

Aug 13, 2014 - 2:05am

General message to TF and the regulars


I know some of the guys were discussing the site being down on the morning of 11 AUG 2014.

I figured that your service provider was having software issues related to the one year renew.

But, then the guys were discussing various internet service issues through different ISPs.

I tried to connect through 3 methods but none were successful.

Hope that they have it worked out.

If any guys have URL's for descriptors regarding the internet services issues and any explanation, please consider posting it to the Digital Security thread that we started several weeks ago. Check under the Forums.

Aug 13, 2014 - 2:17am

Thread Posted 12:35 am......

and here we are with two posts at two am....and no claim to first. Soooooooooo,.....I decided to step smartly to my closet, select my finest faux leather vest, and ........make a statement/pose a question. While Rome burned, Nero fiddled....... Or more precisely......"while Nero fiddled.....Rome burned." There is a difference. BTW there Dan Nadler boy, Gold is making smart moves aye! Thumbs in me vest. Chest stuck out!!!!! "what say ye Danny Boy?"

Dark Horse
Aug 13, 2014 - 2:27am

silver is money post

Highly recommend reading Silver is Money's post on this mornings thread. 

A great prediction of what is to come in my opinion. 

Thanks for the time and effort you have invested SIM

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Aug 13, 2014 - 4:50am

It's a dogs life

On the first day, God created the dog and said:

'Sit all day by the door of your house and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past. For this, I will give you a life span of twenty years.'

The dog said: 'That's a long time to be barking. How about only ten years and I'll give you back the other ten?'

So God agreed.

On the second day, God created the monkey and said:

'Entertain people, do tricks, and make them laugh. For this, I'll give you a twenty-year life span.'

The monkey said: 'Monkey tricks for twenty years? That's a pretty long time to perform. How about I give you back ten like the Dog did?'

And God agreed.

On the third day, God created the cow and said:

'You must go into the field with the farmer all day long and suffer under the sun, have calves and give milk to support the farmer's family. For this, I will give you a life span of sixty years.

The cow said: 'That's kind of a tough life you want me to live for sixty years. How about twenty and I'll give back the other forty?'

And God agreed again.

On the fourth day, God created man and said:

'Eat, sleep, play, marry and enjoy your life. For this, I'll give you twenty years.'

But man said: 'Only twenty years? Could you possibly give me my twenty, the forty the cow gave back, the ten the monkey gave back, and the ten the dog gave back; that makes eighty, okay?'

'Okay,' said God, 'You asked for it.'

So that is why for our first twenty years we eat, sleep, play and enjoy ourselves. For the next forty years we slave in the sun to support our family. For the next ten years we do monkey tricks to entertain the grandchildren. And for the last ten years we sit on the front porch and bark at everyone.

Life has now been explained.

Aug 13, 2014 - 5:12am


Think I've started "Barking" early! ;-)

Spartacus Rex
Aug 13, 2014 - 5:44am
Aug 13, 2014 - 5:48am

Boswell's bark.

It's o.k. Boswell - with that nice moist healthy nose you're good for another 20 years!

Aug 13, 2014 - 6:03am


Putin won't give up without a fight. If the military people are not stopped (who the hell is going to stop them?) things are going to get messy. It could be a good time to start planning a wilderness vacation(5 years or so). Good luck!

Aug 13, 2014 - 6:26am
Spartacus Rex
Aug 13, 2014 - 6:26am

Mike Maloney:Fake Economic Recovery Exposed w/ 1 Chart

Fake Economic Recovery Exposed With One Chart - Mike Maloney
Spartacus Rex
Aug 13, 2014 - 6:43am


Federal Judge Rules AR-15′s Are “Dangerous and Unusual,” Not Protected by 2nd Amendment



In what looks to be a terrible ruling for Maryland gun owners a federal judge has essentially ruled that guns that were regulated by the state of Maryland last year, including AR-15 and AK style rifles (as well as other magazine fed, semi-auto rifles with certain features), “fall outside Second Amendment protection as dangerous and unusual arms,” according to a 47 page opinion by U.S. District Judge Catherine C. Blake.

The case in question is Kolbe et al v. O’Malley et al which named numerous plaintiffs including the Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore, Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association, Maryland State Rifle and Pistol Association, and the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), among others which challenged the constitutionality of Maryland’s strict new gun laws.

Here are some of Blake’s other comments [emphasis mine],

Upon review of all the parties’ evidence, the court seriously doubts that the banned assault long guns are commonly possessed for lawful purposes, particularly self-defense in the home, which is at the core of the Second Amendment right, and is inclined to find the weapons fall outside Second Amendment protection as dangerous and unusual.

First, the court is not persuaded that assault weapons are commonly possessed based on the absolute number of those weapons owned by the public. Even accepting that there are 8.2 million assault weapons in the civilian gun stock, as the plaintiffs claim, assault weapons represent no more than 3% of the current civilian gun stock, and ownership of those weapons is highly concentrated in less than 1% of the U.S. population.

The court is also not persuaded by the plaintiffs’ claims that assault weapons are used infrequently in mass shootings and murders of law enforcement officers. The available statistics indicate that assault weapons are used disproportionately to their ownership in the general public and, furthermore, cause more injuries and more fatalities when they are used.

As for their claims that assault weapons are well-suited for self-defense, the plaintiffs proffer no evidence beyond their desire to possess assault weapons for self-defense in the home that they are in fact commonly used, or possessed, for that purpose.

Finally, despite the plaintiffs’ claims that they would like to use assault weapons for defensive purposes, assault weapons are military-style weapons designed for offensive use, and are equally, or possibly even more effective, in functioning and killing capacity as their fully automatic versions.

Blake’s comments are misguided at best and it would seem difficult to weigh her opinion against the Supreme Court’s Heller decision.

Blake is a Bill Clinton appointed judge.

Aug 13, 2014 - 6:57am


Shortly, I am sure that bankers ( not Jewish, but both Rocks based and Jewish (Roths)) want to keep the system alive by incorporating China and remnibi and reducing dependence on the USD by sharing reserve currency with remnibi. 

That is a planned act of giving up some USD power to remnibi to save the system of money supply control by splitting it up in two money supply control empires controlled by bankers instead of one . China is playing along as its return as power that is able to concentrate and project power was based on 1972 Nixon Kissinger visit to Mao, later agreements with Den ( one country two systems) , transfer of Hong Kong under protection of PLA ( Thatcher Den agreement in 1984 to create a place for Roths to base them with a point in agreement ( in 1984(!) ) that there will be capitalistic ( i.e. banker asset protecting ) system in Hong Kong for 50 years after 1997 , that is till 2047!. Under the protection of PLA outside the reach of the USA army. 

I agree not everyone in China agrees with this plan but so far high level purges and economic documents ( opening up financial system was the key document adopted in 2012 , rule of law etc) has kept under Xi China in line with the plan. 

I would say there are deeper undercurrents in this issues then is obvious or seems to be obvious. I think all these things will find their proper place as we develop our models discussions. 

One of them is state issued money we have not talked much about. During French revolution it lasted 7 years ; Greenbacks was much more successful as I understand ( with all the fights going in the USA about what money to use and how); Libya has wast oil resources, so does Iran, so situation is different there; Only few countries are able to issue state money which has backing that will not evaporate he value of such paper...not all. Russia could as its resource rich though labor added value is 0( China on other hand has exceptional labor resource. ) In France assignat was backed by all Frances property, church included and depreciated to 0 in 7 years since conception. 

It was not Jews who armed Hitler but Rocks, American capital. And it was done to finally depose UK and Roths from money supply control throne by breaking up British Empire. The other part of the WWII plan was to kick out Roth supported Stalin and try to industrialize Russia ( as was done in China after 1980) with Rock capital. The first part worked,the British empire itself and Roths hold on reserve currency supply vanished, 6 million of potential immigrants to USA Jewish community were annihilated ( notice that USA immigration policy against Jews were especially strict during Hitler/WWII time, only scientists were allowed) . The second, with conquest of Russia, failed again, as it did in 1929 when Stalin ended New Economic Policies.

1990 Rock capital infusion model in Russia failed again to subdue it as we can see so now since 2011 the plan is that Russia will be industrialized (loaded with debt) via China, by splitting the responsibilities. The system ( bankers control money supply ) remains the same, only bankers have been forced to split into two, i.e. Rocks were forced to share money supply control with Roths. 

Rocks are no Jews; Masons, Huguenots, Puritans, Scots but not Jews. NEVER have been. Jews work for/with them, mostly Sephardic/crypto but they are not the core of Rocks. They sometimes cooperate with Roths (e.g. in staging 1917 revolution in Russia) mostly fight but they are not the same; have NEVER been the same. Look at it as Standard Oil vs. East Coast banks ( not all though, Morgan was Rock). Look who broke up Standard Oil and You will know who Roths agent president after murder of McKinley was. Mr. Theodore Roosevelt marked the point where Roths successfully had entered USA politics again. Look at Theodore Roosevelt immigration policies to be sure.

Rocks support for Israel has totally different motives behind it ( to be discovered and written down). Besides, the USA only started support when its gold reserves started to dwindle and it was Democrat ( read Roths) presidents who started it seriously. So Rocks already by end of 50-ties came under pressure of Roths who were taking out USA gold due to its fixed too low price. At the same time, the USA became -slowly- sympathetic to Israel. Not before. Under Johnson when run on USA gold reserves was at its maximum, Rocks started to bend back to support Israel..but it did not save the USD in 1971. I think the plan to split monetary empires in two was formulated at that time, and China was chosen as the only country able to create enough capital to catch up with the USA. And here we are.

Aug 13, 2014 - 8:02am

Phil Donahue interviews Doug Casey

Doug's been getting a hard time here lately about the price manipulation issues. I greatly admire this individual myself, even if I don't agree with him on a few points here and there. I found this to be a real treat so I thought I would pass it along:

TDV Internet Exclusive: Doug Casey on the Phil Donahue Show 1980/1981

Just in case the link isn't working, you can also go directly to TheDollarVigilante channel on YT to watch this show.

Aug 13, 2014 - 8:03am

Blake Opinion

Ms. Blake's opinion about the proper role of limited government and the right to walk as free men and women is dangerous and unusual.

Aug 13, 2014 - 8:16am

Complete Incompetence (?)

Thank you, Turd for your timely post of Dr. Cohen's analysis. Agree with Reach West that I would be woefully ignorant if I relied on the multi-billion dollar "journalism" industrial complex to do unbiased, scholarly and thorough reporting.

As Mr. Cohen describes the situation unfolding with neo-Nazi militias attacking Eastern Ukraine, the complete lack of leadership of the current White House, and the lies and propaganda spewing forth from media outlets, and in view of the fact that right now there appears to be a very simple and reasonably attainable diplomatic solution at hand, I always find myself asking the same question:

Is Mr. Obama and the secretive and cloistered inner circle at the White House, even with the vast resources of the bloated U.S. government, simply that profoundly ignorant and utterly incompetent, or is this part of an insane and intentional plan to destabilize Europe to 1) draw attention away from the disastrous Obama presidency that even the Left in America is acknowledging, backstabbing and running away from, 2) to provide an excuse to create a crisis to devalue the dollar, institute SDR world money, declare martial law or any of a number of attempts to oppress the citizenry rather than admit mistakes and provide true leadership with a hard but correct way out?

Anyone have an answer?

Aug 13, 2014 - 8:23am

Chart support for an essay

It seems FOMC on Sep 16-17th will deliver the final -if it will - kick to push S&P into bear. They are now buying 25 billion securities ( 10 mortgage+15 UST) per month. The plan is to close them in October FOMC, but September decision/comments will tell how likely it is- is it sure or not. As S&P chart have been just a copy of FED balance sheet, that should be it. 

Here is an interesting chart - QEs also follow FIBO ( periods increasing by 1,6) timelines. So, after they stop it in October 2014 and stocks obviously crash there is an option that there be one more and Final in these FIBO series QE in June-July 2015:

Well what does that mean,,if there is a feeling in the air next QE is coming , stocks will start to creep back up prior to that; However , another QE may mean what many are expecting here- crash of USD.

I think this will not happen by introducing remnibi as shared reserve currency, because its Triffins dilemma of reserve currency thats killing the USD, and sticking to its reserve currency role, nothing else. So sharing reserve currencies with China is the only solution to USD collapse, and that will also remove the need for next QE. 

Interestingly there is really little time left- I thought there are two years - until the end of Obama presidency- but NO-there is just about one year time for the USA ( Rocks) to create second money supply empire ( China/Roths); That may explain acceleration of geopolitical transformations/China/USA internal political events -as markets for each Empire needs to be set up (esp first priority- Russia for China etc) by the end of 2015!

Aug 13, 2014 - 9:17am
Safety Dan
Aug 13, 2014 - 9:34am

The Death (or Rebirth?) of

The Death (or Rebirth?) of Money: An Exclusive Interview With Jim Rickards

JR: There is almost no possibility that either the Russian rouble or the Chinese yuan can be a global reserve currency in the next ten years. This is because both Russia and China lack a good rule or law and a well-developed liquid bond market. Both things are required for reserve currency status. The reason Russia and China are acquiring gold and will continue to do so is not to launch a new gold-backed currency, but rather to hedge their dollar positions and reduce their dependence on dollar reserves. If there is a replacement for the dollar as the leading reserve currency, it will either be the euro, the special drawing right (SDRs), or perhaps a new currency devised by the BRICS.

Aug 13, 2014 - 9:34am
Safety Dan
Aug 13, 2014 - 9:46am
gldslv Safety Dan
Aug 13, 2014 - 9:56am

Safety Dan: No gold back makes sense...but collateral is key...

Rickards is right but the way things are falling out and down, collateral will take them to a gold standard...formally or informally. He has said in the past that sovereigns will accept gold again after everything else is SDRs. That makes sense. No way the BRICS will provide a direct paper to gold conversion at the retail level. I envision the day where a reset occurs and as Jim Willie states, letters of (gold backed) credit for international trade will be announced by the BRICS. So two parties will agree to an international transaction using whatever currency exchange with the understanding gold is forfeited if the contract is violated. This way the oligarchs maintain the gold possession and po folk remain in the non-gold fishbowl of commerce. Owning gold now will provide incredible loan power. So instead of selling gold for paper, you can get an incredibly good low rate loan ( like TBTFs are enjoying now) by putting up your physical for collateral.

Of course this is a few years away and after they find it impossible to establish trust without using gold. 

Wealth Watchman
Aug 13, 2014 - 10:16am

Thanks for continuing to post these

Thanks, Turd! I've followed the Donbass War for Independence daily with a keen eye on developments. These podcasts have definitely helped to sharpen the context of those events for me. We all appreciate the time you take to post them.

At the Watchman HQ, I've been writing a series on the "Saddle Ridge Hoard" which was announced earlier this year in California. I've done a great deal of research lately, and what I found surprised me. I take the prevailing theory of burial to task, and make my own case for what I believe may have happened in the "Mystery of the Saddle Ridge Hoard". Strangely, what likely happened with that buried treasure, still has implications for us and our wealth here in 2014.

Y'all stay nimble.


Aug 13, 2014 - 10:16am

The latest from ZH

Ukraine announces that it will not allow The Convoy inside its borders:

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