The Latest Batchelor-Cohen Ukraine Discussion

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I was able to listen to this broadcast live earlier Tuesday evening. The information discussed is so important and immediately relevant that I thought I should repost it here as soon as possible.

You must understand several things:

  1. The Ukraine "National Guard" that is ravaging the Donbass region is NOT the Ukraine Army. Instead, it is made up of 7 or 8 militias over which the central government in Kiev has limited control.
  2. The "humanitarian convoy" that left Moscow yesterday did so with great fanfare, including the blessing of a Russian Orthodox bishop. Obviously, the Russians think that getting this convoy into Eastern Ukraine is very important.
  3. This convoy is due to arrive at the Ukraine border sometime late Thursday or early Friday.
  4. How the Ukraine militias act and react with this convoy is the great unknown and the situation is ripe for disaster.
  5. Putin and most of the leaders of the state Duma will travel to Crimea on Thursday and, while there, Putin plans to give a major speech. Professor Cohen reports that several of his contacts in Russia think this speech is a prelude to invasion.

All of this is coming to a head over the next 48-72 hours. It is extraordinarily important that you are paying attention to this crisis and you should absolutely make time to listen to this entire podcast.

Again, more on Professor Stephen F. Cohen can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_F._Cohen

And The John Batchelor Show airs nightly on American radio. You can find more information here: https://johnbatchelorshow.com/

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Urban Roman
Aug 15, 2014 - 12:52pm

White trucks everywhere

That is an interesting site, ratioarbitrage. An interactive map. It looks like the Rooskies have white trucks everywhere now.

Which got me to thinking ... why white? Perhaps General Zima plays a role in the grand plan.

Owtovit
Aug 14, 2014 - 7:49am
ratioarbitrageratioarbitrage
Aug 14, 2014 - 4:40am

Edit above: incorrect location

Nehoteevka was marked on a Ukrainian twitter map as at the "back door" but is actually near Kharkiv. MSM are now also waking up to the fact that part of the convoy has gone on the Rostov road. So the facts are the same but the sources were incorrect.

ratioarbitrage
Aug 14, 2014 - 3:27am

Convoy enters Eastern Ukraine in rebel held area

https://liveuamap.com/e/2014/14-of-august-part-of-the-convoy-at-the-nehoteevka-border-checkpoint?ll=48.56202559831862;38.331741727888826&zoom=8

Reports all along the road south from Voronezh towards the "back door" into rebel controlled territory. Tracking it on the above link for the last couple of days. MSM still completely oblivious. This is supposed to be interpreted as a "declaration of war". Putin may announce it as a fait accompli "they have already gone home".

infometron
Aug 14, 2014 - 12:58am

@ DeaconBenjamin

When I wrote: "I don't know how much of this can be validated, but I imagine there is some truth to it, even if only slanted. Hopefully some fellow turdites will independently assess and evaluate..."

I was anticipating something more substantive than "I call Bull***t." LMAO!

Also, when you wrote "The Soviets murder millions of Ukrainians and it is the west's fault." I would say that is not a fair reading, as the article did make it very clear that a decision was made to sacrifice citizens for industrialization. No offense, but I think you could use with a good lesson in "Critique 101."

Having said that, yes, it could all be Bull***t, that is why I will reiterate "Hopefully some fellow turdites will independently assess and evaluate." I'm sure you will agree, there are a few interesting threads to pull on here, and who knows what lies, insights, and/or truths they might unravel.

DeaconBenjamininfometron
Aug 14, 2014 - 12:31am

The West Created the Soviet genocide of Ukraine

The Soviets murder millions of Ukrainians and it is the west's fault. I call Bull***t.

infometron
Aug 14, 2014 - 12:16am

THIS IS INCREDIBLE!

Please excuse the posting on multiple threads, but this is incredible!

History does not always repeat itself, but it sure can rhyme! I don't know how much of this can be validated, but I imagine there is some truth to it, even if only slanted. Hopefully some fellow turdites will independently assess and evaluate.

Perhaps this matter has already been brought up in Silver Sooner's Ukraine forum. I haven't kept totally up to date on that, so if this is already known, please forgive the duplication, but even so, I think it is worth repeating. I'll post this there as well.

These revelations deepen the Ukraine situation dramatically, and introduces some historical facts rendering current animosities more salient and understandable!!

From https://orientalreview.org/2012/12/17/episodes-10-who-organised-famine-in-the-ussr-in-1932-1933/

I came across this link as footnote 53, reading up on the "holodomor" in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Read on and be prepared to be totally amazed:

The theory of the Holodomor is reactivated in the media every time Ukraine is about to take a step back to Russia. Just to remind those who are not aware of the tragedy, in 1932-1933 there was a severe famine throughout the USSR that claimed an unprecedented number of lives (up to 7 million victims, according to some debatable estimates). Paradoxically the famine mostly affected fertile areas in the North Caucasus, the Volga basin, the South Urals, Western Siberia, Ukraine, Belorussia and Kazakhstan. During the last decade several Western historians were recruited to elaborate on the theory that the famine tragedy was a deliberate act of genocide against Ukrainians carried out by Stalin’s government. Let’s consider the historical facts and try to get closer to the truth regarding the issue of the sources and circumstances of that horrible famine in the USSR.

First of all we have to recall something about the Gold, which surprisingly not always is a mean of payment…

In early 1920s the recently proclaimed Soviet Union was anxious about restoration of its industry totally destroyed after WWI and Civil War in Russia (1918-1921). The Soviets desperately needed modern machinery and industrial equipment. How could they pay it? Soviet government was able to offer to the international market three items: grain, minerals and gold.

Soviet Golden Chervonets, 1923

On Genoa Conference in 1922 the new Gold Exchange Standard was introduced. Since the end of 1922 the Soviet Union was issuing the golden chervonets – a new Soviet currency fully covered by the golden reserves and convertible to gold. In 1923 the Soviet chervonets was one of the most stable and secured currencies of the world. It represented a clear and present danger for emerging financial epicentre – the United States of America The economic and financial weight of the United States boomed astonishingly as the result of global war. That country was one of few beneficiaries of the man-slaughtering house in Europe of 1910s. But an unexpected rival from the Bolshevik stated emerged vigorously…

In 1924 the Soviet chervonets was replaced by a softer rouble without golden equivalent. The menace to the US dollar and British pound was diminished. In return Soviet Union was recognized by the UK, France, Norway, Austria, Greece, Sweden, Denmark, China, Japan, Mexico and other countries. The United States possessed 46% of golden reserves of the capitalist world.

In 1925 the Soviet leadership decided to accelerate industrialization of the country. Quite surprisingly despite enormous economic gains promised by such policies, the Western countries refused to accept gold as payment when trading with Soviet Union! This amazing behaviour of is known in history as the “gold blockade”. The USSR could pay for machinery and equipment only by oil, timber and grains. (Interestingly, they still accepted pre-revolution Imperial Russian golden coins – the currency of a non-existent state was not dangerous!)

In 1929 the US bankers initiate the Great Depression. The short period of international currency exchange stability was over.

In 1931 Germany and Austria failed to repay the foreign debt and stop exchanging marks into gold, thus abolishing Gold Exchange Standard. By the autumn 1931 the UK suspends the gold exchange as well.

As you see, it would be a logical and natural move to lift the golden blockade of Soviet Union at that time, thus allowing Soviet gold to relieve the suffocating Western economies. But the decision they was taken at that circumstances was shocking in its absurdity. They not only left the gold blockade of the USSR in force, but also imposed a severe trade embargo on the major part of Soviet export! It was done despite acute economic crisis in the West where most producers were interested in any kind of demand, especially paid by gold, timber, oil and other raw material from the Soviet Union. E.g. in 1932 80% of British machinery export was being supplied to the USSR. Nevertheless, on April 17, 1933 the British government introduced embargo: Russian Goods (Import Prohibition) Act 1933! What was the logic? It was a politically motivated decision to pressure the tenacious Soviet government powered by the antagonistic ideology and economic structure.

Was the traded between the West and the USSR totally cut down? Absolutely not. Soviet demand for Western technologies and machinery was even higher than ever: the industrialization was full-pelt. But now the West was expecting only one mean of payment: the Soviet grains! (The curiosity of this claim is emphasized by the fact that by that time the currencies of the most agrarian countries were significantly devaluated and the demand for grains on world market was cut 50-70%!)

The Stalin’s government was faced with a choice: either to give up restoring industry, so capitulating to the West, or continue industrialising, leading to a dreadful internal crisis. If the Bolsheviks took grain away from the peasants, there was the very great probability of a famine which, in turn, might lead to internal unrest and removal from power. So no matter what Stalin chose, the West would remain victorious. Stalin and his entourage decided to force their way through and stop at nothing.

The government collected grain and sent it to the West, but not to starve part of a country’s population to death, but because there was no other way it could pay for the supply of equipment. All of Stalin’s hopes were on a new harvest. It turned out to be a small one, however, since the country was struck by a drought. The USSR was unable to buy food in exchange for gold (the gold blockade) or currency (as a result of the embargo there was none). Attempts were urgently made to get supplies of grain from Persia, where they had agreed to accept gold. The authorities did not have time, however, as a catastrophe was already underway.

Famine Victims, Kuban, 1932

Between 1932 and 1933, thousands and thousands of people died and it was only after this that the West was once again renewed to accept oil, timber and precious metals from the Soviets.

In October 2008, the European Parliament recognised the Holodomor in the Ukraine as a crime against humanity. The guilty was put on the ‘Stalinist USSR’. However, the report by the European Parliament did not provide answers to two questions:

• why did the capitalists behave so “strangely”, refusing to accept Stalin’s gold?

• why did they only want to receive grain from the USSR as payment?

There is neither truth nor logic in the European Parliament’s reports. The truth is that in 1934, grain exports from the USSR completely stopped. By order of the Soviet government…

The famine of 1932-33, which was carefully organized by the West, did not have the desired effect: the Bolsheviks remained in power. They continued industrializing. Economic measures had no effect – Stalin was restoring the country at any price. Only military measures remained. And exactly in 1933 Adolf Hitler, who had openly written about his expansionist aims in the vast Russian plains, came to power in Germany…

Green Lantern
Aug 13, 2014 - 10:17pm

Ben Franklin was clearly the

Ben Franklin was clearly the George Carlin of his day. It takes a great mind to write original stuff on farting.

Editor’s Note: Written around 1781, this piece is one of the classics of flatulence humor. Also called “A Letter to the Royal Academy” and “To the Royal Academy of Farting,” the piece was written in response to a call for scientific papers by the Royal Academy of Brussels. Never submitted, Franklin printed the piece and distributed it to friends. It was long suppressed on collections of Franklin’s writings, although it is discussed in a popular biography and included in the Library of America collection of Franklin’s writings.

And if you like humor on farting from eminent Americans, check out Mark Twain’s “1601,” which is the dirtiest piece of Mark Twain’s writing to see the light of day.

To the Royal Academy of Farting

c. 1781
GENTLEMEN,

I have perused your late mathematical Prize Question, proposed in lieu of one in Natural Philosophy, for the ensuing year, viz. “Une figure quelconque donnee, on demande d’y inscrire le plus grand nombre de fois possible une autre figure plus-petite quelconque, qui est aussi donnee”. I was glad to find by these following Words, “l’Acadeemie a jugee que cette deecouverte, en eetendant les bornes de nos connoissances, ne seroit pas sans UTILITE”, that you esteem Utility an essential Point in your Enquiries, which has n

ot always been the case with all Academies; and I conclude therefore that you have given this Question instead of a philosophical, or as the Learned express it, a physical one, because you could not at the time think of a physical one that promis’d greater_Utility.

Permit me then humbly to propose one of that sort for your consideration, and through you, if you approve it, for the serious

Enquiry of learned Physicians, Chemists, &c. of this enlightened Age. It is universally well known, That in digesting our common Food, there is created or produced in the Bowels of human Creatures, a great Quantity of Wind.

That the permitting this Air to escape and mix with the Atmosphere, is usually offensive to the Company, from the fetid Smell that accompanies it.

That all well-bred People therefore, to avoid giving such Offence, forcibly restrain the Efforts of Nature to discharge that Wind.

That so retain’d contrary to Nature, it not only gives frequently great present Pain, but occasions future Diseases, such as habitual Cholics, Ruptures, Tympanies, &c. often destructive of the Constitution, & sometimes of Life itself.

Were it not for the odiously offensive Smell accompanying such Escapes, polite People would probably be under no more Restraint in discharging such Wind in Company, than they are in spitting, or in blowing their Noses.

My Prize Question therefore should be, To discover some Drug wholesome & not disagreable, to be mix’d with our common Food, or Sauces, that shall render the natural Discharges of Wind from our Bodies, not only inoffensive, but agreable as Perfumes.

That this is not a chimerical Project, and altogether impossible, may appear from these Considerations. That we already have some Knowledge of Means capable of Varying that Smell. He that dines on stale Flesh, especially with much Addition of Onions, shall be able to afford a Stink that no Company can tolerate; while he that has lived for some Time on Vegetables only, shall have that Breath so pure as to be insensible to the most delicate Noses; and if he can manage so as to avoid the Report, he may any where give Vent to his Griefs, unnoticed. But as there are many to whom an entire Vegetable Diet would be inconvenient, and as a little Quick-Lime thrown into a Jakes will correct the amazing Quantity of fetid Air arising from the vast Mass of putrid Matter contain’d in such Places, and render it rather pleasing to the Smell, who knows but that a little Powder of Lime (or some other thing equivalent) taken in our Food, or perhaps a Glass of Limewater drank at Dinner, may have the same Effect on the Air produc’d in and issuing from our Bowels? This is worth the Experiment. Certain it is also that we have the Power of changing by slight Means the Smell of another Discharge, that of our Water. A few Stems of Asparagus eaten, shall give our Urine a disagreable Odour; and a Pill of Turpentine no bigger than a Pea, shall bestow on it the pleasing Smell of Violets. And why should it be thought more impossible in Nature, to find Means of making a Perfume of our Wind than of our Water?

For the Encouragement of this Enquiry, (from the immortal Honour to be reasonably expected by the Inventor) let it be considered of how small Importance to Mankind, or to how small a Part of Mankind have been useful those Discoveries in Science that have heretofore made Philosophers famous. Are there twenty Men in Europe at this Day, the happier, or even the easier, for any Knowledge they have pick’d out of Aristotle? What Comfort can the Vortices of Descartes give to a Man who has Whirlwinds in his Bowels! The Knowledge of Newton’s mutual Attraction of the Particles of Matter, can it afford Ease to him who is rack’d by their mutual Repulsion, and the cruel Distensions it occasions? The Pleasure arising to a few Philosophers, from seeing, a few Times in their Life, the Threads of Light untwisted, and separated by the Newtonian Prism into seven Colours, can it be compared with the Ease and Comfort every Man living might feel seven times a Day, by discharging freely the Wind from his Bowels? Especially if it be converted into a Perfume: For the Pleasures of one Sense being little inferior to those of another, instead of pleasing the Sight he might delight the Smell of those about him, & make Numbers happy, which to a benevolent Mind must afford infinite Satisfaction. The generous Soul, who now endeavours to find out whether the Friends he entertains like best Claret or Burgundy, Champagne or Madeira, would then enquire also whether they chose Musk or Lilly, Rose or Bergamot, and provide accordingly. And surely such a Liberty of Expressing one’s Scent-iments, and pleasing one another, is of infinitely more Importance to human Happiness than that Liberty of the Press, or of abusing one another, which the English are so ready to fight & die for. — In short, this Invention, if compleated, would be, as Bacon expresses it, bringing Philosophy home to Mens Business and Bosoms. And I cannot but conclude, that in Comparison therewith, for universal and continual UTILITY, the Science of the Philosophers above-mentioned, even with the Addition, Gentlemen, of your “Figure quelconque” and the Figures inscrib’d in it, are, all together, scarcely worth a

FART-HING.

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Marblesonac
Aug 13, 2014 - 10:12pm

High Times!

I just want to get in a to The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers!!!

SaratogaPrepper
Aug 13, 2014 - 9:52pm

Infometron

That's the problem....everyone saved them.

Edit: And GL, they are not all gone. Every Age has its share.

2nd Edit: Thanks! I had never heard of that company. I shall search there more often. Price difference is paperback vs hard cover.

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