More from JB and SFC


Last evening, John and Steve continued their weekly discussion of the events unfolding in Eastern Europe and Ukraine.

This is another interesting discussion as it covers the history of the region, the increasing tensions and the upcoming D-Day Anniversary events which will be attended by Putin, Woody and nearly every other "Western" leader.

Again, some background on Professor Cohen can be found here:

And you can catch the John Batchelor Program nightly by clicking here:



I Run Bartertown
Jun 4, 2014 - 9:50pm


Sanders is classic. You've seen this guy, too, right?

"I stammered and stuttered, and tried to tell them that they are talking like traders instead of investors, and that the financial markets are all rigged by the government to go up, except for precious metals, which are rigged to go down.

So there we are, all shouting at each other about who is an idiot, and the wife and kids are siding with them! Leaning out of the windows of the car, they are shouting “Fight! Fight! Punch his lights out like you threatened to do in a previous paragraph!”

I really could have used the assistance of Peter Schiff, at, who writes “We can't ignore it anymore - the markets are rigged,” and that “Even if banks and governments are manipulating the day-to-day price of gold, the metal's long-term fundamentals are stronger than ever. In fact, the reasons for them to suppress the gold price are the same reasons for us to buy gold in the first place.”

To me, he saying that the government is suppressing the price of gold at the same time that you want to buy it! Wow! So, thank you, government morons whose misplaced allegiance to the coo-coo bird Keynesians has destroyed the economy! And thank you, idiotic Supreme Court who allows such treachery despite being expressly disallowed in the Constitution of the United States! Thank you all! You are literally keeping the price low by corrupt manipulation, to give the appearance of normalcy to a bankrupted economy, so I can buy more gold to protect myself from a bankrupted economy! Thank you, thank you, thank you!”

Jun 4, 2014 - 9:50pm

Harvey's Up!

Harvey's Up!

  • Mark O’Byrne: Gold’s price weakness in recent days is leading to some activity. Directionless trade in recent weeks had led to lackluster trading but gold’s price weakness in recent days has led to more activity and both an increase in selling and buying. Sellers are nervous that technical damage has been done and momentum is down. They are concerned that this could lead to further price falls. Buyers are more focused on the long term and view the price falls as a buying opportunity. Buyers are almost solely focused on the fundamentals and are tuning out the negative short term technical picture. Gold bullion is due a bounce as it appears oversold. Gold’s 14-day relative-strength index was at 28.1 today and since May 29, it has been below the level of 30. This suggests a potential impending rebound to technical analysts.
  • Harvey: The big news of the day which did not catch the attention of mainstream media was the huge probe in China into the disappearance of copper and aluminum, used in their financing deals. We have pointed out this to you on many occasions that the same inventory has been used over and over again to finance deals and this became China's shadow banking sector. This will have huge ramifications to China. France responded to the USA fine of their largest bank BNP Paribas by selling a war ship to Russia and then sending out experts to help train the Russians. Obama must be so proud! In the USA we had a trio of bad reports: i) An awful trade and service trade deficit which will knock off a few points on GDP. ii) A surprisingly bad ADP report. This report is generally fudged. iii) A poor productivity report. All of these will impact Q2 GDP figures.
  • Koos Jansen: It’s my belief the World Gold Council (WGC) continues to spread erroneous information, therefor I will continue to share where I disagree. Let’s begin with what happened in the first quarter of this year. In the WGC’s quarterly report covering Q1 2014 they state Chinese gold demand was 278.1 metric tonnes. However, in this quarter Hong Kong net exported 287.2 tonnes to the mainland and Switzerland exported 74.9 tonnes. In addition, Chinese domestic mining was 96.5 tonnes. This adds up to 458.6 tonnes. Domestic mining and net import from only two countries was 458.6 tonnes, yet demand as disclosed by the WGC was only 278.1 tonnes. Again there is a disparity (of at least 180.5 tonnes). Where did this 180.5 tonnes go? The chairman of the Shangahi Gold Exchange, Xu Luodo, said on May 15, 2014, at the Fourth Commercial Bank Gold Investment Forum, that China net imported 1540 tonnes in 2013 and his exchange has nearly 8000 institutional investors and 5 million individual investors. Institutional investors can include pension funds and the like, and this explains very well where all the SGE withdrawals end up and the difference we’re after. I haven’t come across any Western mainstream media outlet that reported on these statements from Xu, though numerous Chinese media have covered it.
  • RT: Lithuania, the last Baltic nation outside the currency union, has finally been given the green light to join the euro area, after its bid was turned down 8 years ago. The country could adopt the single euro currency on January 1, 2015. The European Commission and the European Central Bank accepted Lithuania’s application on Wednesday. The European Commission said that inflation, the key stumbling block to Lithuania joining the eurozone previously, has been overcome. In the 12 months leading up to April 2014, Lithuania’s average inflation rate was 0.6 percent, well below the reference value of 1.7 percent, and will likely remain below this level in the coming months, the ECB report said. Overall, inflation across the euro zone has been half the ECB’s target rate of 2 percent. The commission credits Lithuania for its triumphant return to economic growth after the recession hit in 2009, including its success in keeping its budget deficit and government debt ratio below ECB rates.
  • Michael Krieger, Liberty Blitzkrieg: It’s been obvious for quite some time that the so-called “war on terror” is nothing more than a fear-mongering induced power grab; a convenient excuse to strip the citizenry of its civil liberties and humanity. Many commentators, including myself, have predicted for years that the entire counter-terror juggernaut that has been constructed post-9/11 would be ultimately redirected upon the domestic population. Snowden’s heroic whistleblowing has already proven without a doubt that the government spy apparatus (along with tech company complicity) has been zeroed in on the domestic population for quite some time, but is the situation about to escalate? Are the feds so fearful of their own people, they are about to focus all their counter-terror energy on U.S. citizens? It appears so.
  • Nathan McDonald: Until recently, investors were unsure of what Russia would do with the proceeds of its U.S. Treasuries. Last week, the Central Bank of Russia shed some light on that question when it disclosed that it acquired an additional 900,000 ounces of gold in the month of April. This brought Russian gold holdings to 34.4 million ounces, making it a major and actively growing player in the world gold market. Since 2006, Russia has been acquiring the yellow metal at a rapid rate. On average, they have been adding 0.5 million ounces per month to their reserves.
  • Gina Chon and Gregory Meyer: The board of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the main US derivatives regulator, is back to full strength for the first time in a nearly a year after senators confirmed three new members, including chairman Timothy Massad. Mr Massad will lead an agency whose responsibilities were dramatically broadened in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis and became a target of Wall Street under previous chairman Gary Gensler. Market participants are eager to know whether Mr Massad, a former Treasury official, will continue in Mr Gensler’s reformist vein or make changes as dozens of rules reshape the $400tn US over-the-counter derivatives market. Since Mr Gensler stepped down at the start of the year, the CFTC has signalled a softer tone. Last month it took steps to ease record keeping requirements for certain transactions. It has also solicited more public comment on a measure to clamp down on commodities speculation.
  • Eric Sprott: I imagine that people in the area – in countries like Romania or Bulgaria, or in the Ukraine itself – would be thinking about putting some of their money in gold right now. Obviously it does bring people into the gold market. I prefer not to fall back on these sorts of possibilities as reasons to own gold. These are ‘black swans’ for gold. I prefer to focus on the physical shortage argument for owning gold, because I believe the case there is black and white. The means and motive for suppressing the price of gold are well-known. And the physical will win the day. Now, gold will benefit from black swans – a war, governments going broke or the recession getting worse. These could happen, but things are changing in the precious metals markets regardless of these events.

All this and more on...

The Harvey Report!


Jun 4, 2014 - 9:54pm


Great stuff!

Wow! The corrupt, shameless manipulation is so bad that it causes a guy’s eye to go bloodshot just talking about it! And which says nothing about possible hemorrhaging inside the cranium from the brain literally recoiling, rebelling from the sheer, unbelievable corruption, which handily explains why I seem to get more stupid every day, but that’s another story.

It's like I wrote it myself!

So It Goes
Jun 4, 2014 - 9:55pm



LOL. Sell your physical now? Physical is your insurance against a fiat currency collapse. The debt of the US grows higher every day and is already unserviceable at anything other than zero interest. The Fed's balance sheet has ballooned and their credibility is being questioned. The ECB is talking about negative interest rates. I could go on an on. The hazard of the collapse of the fiat currency system becomes more obvious daily - sell your insurance now?

I drove by my local "Cash for Gold" store today. Guess what - it is gone - closed - done.

Why do you think that is? Could it be that all the people who were weak hands have already sold their gold? Is there is no else left to sell to keep this business model afloat? If all the physical is now in strong hands - who is left to sell or trade? No one is the answer.

C'mon man - use your head. Look at all the data - China buying the entire world's mining supply, India going to relax importation rules and taxes, Swiss refiners running 24/7 to make .9999 kilo bars. There will be a shortage soon enough. It does not matter what the price of gold is in $$$$. When it is gone physical will go "no offer" - it will be priceless and may help you survive.

So it goes.

I Run Bartertown
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:21pm


VLADIMIR PUTIN: I didn’t say that he shouldn’t yield to US influence. He is free to accept any influence he wants. Ukrainians voted for him, and he is free to develop a policy. If he chooses to accept anyone’s strong influence, let him. But I wouldn’t…

...QUESTION (via interpreter): Mr President, it is very convenient that you are meeting with Mr Obama on June 6. Perhaps, it would be worse if you were meeting with Hillary Clinton. Only a few days ago, she said that what Russia is doing in Eastern Europe resembles what Hitler was doing in the 1930s.

VLADIMIR PUTIN: It’s better not to argue with women. But Ms Clinton has never been too graceful in her statements. ...When people push boundaries too far, it’s not because they are strong but because they are weak. But maybe weakness is not the worst quality for a woman.

QUESTION (via interpreter): Women must be respected, of course, and I’m sure you respect them. Do you think she went too far? There is a lot of mockery and cartoons in the media – including those showing you. What was your first reaction? Were you angry? Did you want to get back at her or laugh? We have never seen you laugh.

VLADIMIR PUTIN: Someday I will indulge myself and we will laugh together at some good joke. But when I hear such extreme statements, to me it only means that they don’t have any valid arguments. Speaking of US policy, it’s clear that the United States is pursuing the most aggressive and toughest policy to defend their own interests – at least, this is how the American leaders see it – and they do it persistently.

There are basically no Russian troops abroad while US troops are everywhere. There are US military bases everywhere around the world and they are always involved in the fates of other countries even though they are thousands of kilometres away from US borders. So it is ironic that our US partners accuse us of breaching some of these rules.

Jun 4, 2014 - 10:40pm

IRB "Sanders"

That is the funniest thing I have seen on here, ever, I think.

Jun 4, 2014 - 10:56pm
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:59pm

U.S. reconstitutes group to fight homegrown extremists

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is reviving a law enforcement group to investigate those it designates as domestic terrorists, the Department of Justice announced Tuesday.

The Department of Justice will reconstitute a task force that was originally formed after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing but dissolved after the Sept. 11, 2001 hijacked plane attacks as law enforcement agencies focused on threats from militants abroad.

On Tuesday, Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement that the United States remains concerned about threats from Islamic extremists, but the group will focus on other motives for attacks within U.S. borders.

Events like the April 2013 bombing of the Boston Marathon, in which the attackers appeared to be influenced by extremists abroad, would not fall under the jurisdiction of the group, named the Domestic Terrorism Executive Committee.

"We must also concern ourselves with the continued danger we face from individuals within our own borders who may be motivated by a variety of other causes from anti-government animus to racial prejudice," Holder said.

"Attorney General Holder’s announcement that the new task force will focus on evidence of anti-government animus and racial intolerance raises concerns that it could be a sweeping mandate to monitor and collect controversial speech,” said Lee Rowland, a staff attorney at the ACLU.

The committee's members will come from the FBI, the National Security Division of the Justice Department and the Attorney General's Advisory Committee, which includes representatives of federal prosecutors.

Jun 5, 2014 - 1:15am

How Near is the U.S. to a

How Near is the U.S. to a USSR Like Economic Collapse?

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Dmitry Orlov, J. Michael Oliver, Amir Adnani, Gene Epstein, & Curtis Ellis are returning guests on the most current radio program.

Orlov, author of "Reinventing Collapse" tells us how near the U.S. is to a USSR like economic collapse and help us understand how the U.S. and NATO's push to takeover former USSR satellite countries is related to America's internal economic and moral decline.

Former Reagan official Dr. Paul Craig Roberts explains in an interview for USA how the Fed is lying to the world about monetary tapering and how the U.S. economy has never emerged from the post 2008-09 recession. But the elite who rule America press on with their own agenda with attempts to force the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) as a way of extending American economic and military power in Asia to isolate China. But the TPP will further remove power from the American people and give it to countries hostile to traditional American values. Ellis updates us on the "progress" of the TPP.

On a more positive note, Adnani talks of UEC's progress in U3O8 production, Epstein have a word about the next NYC Junto and Oliver explains why the recent weakness in the price of gold is a positive for gold bulls.

Jun 5, 2014 - 2:43am

Things Americans can only say on Thanksgiving

1. Talk about a huge breast!

2. Tying the legs together keeps the inside moist.

3. It's Cool Whip time!

4. If I don't undo my pants, I'll burst!

5. Whew, that's one terrific spread!

6. I'm in the mood for a little dark meat.

7. Are you ready for seconds yet?

8. It's a little dry; do you still want to eat it?

9. Just wait your turn you'll get some!

10. Don't play with your meat.

11. Just spread the legs open and stuff it in.

12. Do you think you'll be able to handle all these people at once?

13. I didn't expect everyone to come at once!

14. You still have a little bit on your chin.

15. How long will it take after you stick it in?

16. You'll know it's ready when it pops up.

17. Wow, I didn't think I could handle all of that!

18. That's the biggest one I've ever seen!

19. How long do I beat it before it's ready?

Jun 5, 2014 - 4:01am
Jun 5, 2014 - 4:07am
Jun 5, 2014 - 4:28am


At West Point Obama told us, to the applause of West Point cadets, that “American exceptionalism” is a doctrine that justifies whatever Washington does. If Washington violates domestic and international law by torturing “detainees” or violates the Nuremberg standard by invading countries that have undertaken no hostile action against the US or its allies, “exceptionalism” is the priest’s blessing that absolves Washington’s sins against law and international norms. Washington’s crimes are transformed into Washington’s affirmation of the rule of law. Here is Obama in his own words:

“I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being. But what makes us exceptional is not our ability to flout international norms and the rule of law; it is our willingness to affirm them through our actions.”

Jun 5, 2014 - 5:09am

Bird V formation

Drafting or slip stream explanation from the scientists for all those curious posters last week.

Jun 5, 2014 - 5:25am

Buckshot and Bugsy get a haircut

John McCain and Barack Obama somehow ended up at the same barbershop.

As they sat there, each being worked on by a different barber, not a word was spoken. The barbers were even afraid to start a conversation, for fear it would turn to politics.

As the barbers finished their shaves, the one who had Obama in his chair reached for the aftershave.

Obama was quick to stop him saying, 'No thanks, my wife Michelle will smell that and think I've been in a whorehouse,'

The second barber turned to McCain and said, 'How about you?'. McCain replied, 'Go ahead, my wife doesn't know what the inside of a whorehouse smells like'.

Jun 5, 2014 - 5:30am


Of course, if you think the long term trend is down and there will be no physical supply issues, then liquidation makes sense.

But if you think fiat printing will eventually be a big problem even if the short to medium term for PMs is down, why sell physical? Why not hedge with paper instruments for now but hold onto the phyzz?

Spartacus Rex
Jun 5, 2014 - 5:39am

@ flyinkel

responded to your post on the Lawlessness thread

Spartacus Rex
Jun 5, 2014 - 5:40am

@ atarangi LOL

Innkeeper: The room is $15. a night. It's $5. if you make your own bed.
Guest: I'll make my own bed.
Innkeeper: Good. I'll get you some nails and wood.

Spartacus Rex
Jun 5, 2014 - 5:44am

atarangi likes to eat out...

And asks his waiter how they prepare their chicken. The waiter says that there's nothin' special... we just flat out tell' em they're gonna die...

Spartacus Rex
Jun 5, 2014 - 5:52am

atarangi's expectant wife...

Atarangi speaks frantically into the phone, "My wife is pregnant, and her contractions are only two minutes apart!" "Is this her first child?" the doctor queries. "No, you idiot!" atarangi shouts. "This is her husband!"

Jun 5, 2014 - 5:59am

Spartacus B&B

Innkeeper: The room is $15. a night. It's $5. if you make your own bed.
atarangi: I'll make my own bed.
Innkeeper: Good. I'll get you some nails and wood. atarangi: I bought my own nails and wood but I'll probably just sleep on the floor. Thanks for the free accommodation.

Jun 5, 2014 - 6:22am

atarangi likes to eat out

Only on Thanksgiving.

Jun 5, 2014 - 7:10am
Jun 5, 2014 - 11:23am


First they raised taxes on precious metals in Europe, then they introduce NIRP, next to be followed by BURP.

Strongsidejedi TF
Jun 5, 2014 - 11:25am

WW2 what if's

alt-history in the context of the US entry to WW2 is a little explored area of thought. Some thoughts on this subject are relevant because the currency wars and the death of money are tied into regional conflicts and big macro-geo political fights. There are lessons to be learned from analysis of the 1939-1941 geopolitical situation.

I have previously posted reference to the 1940 Office of Navel Intel memo written by McCollum for FDR's White House. In that memo, it was clear that the US was positioning to challenge Japanese nationalism and militarism in the Pacific Rim. The memo recommended forward deployment of the US fleet from bases in California to Pearl Harbor. There is an intriguing argument that Pearl Harbor would not have occurred had the FDR Admin not requested forward deployment of the battleships and carriers to Pearl Harbor.

But, when you look at commentary from 1940 and even 1941, it is clear that the international situation is far from an Axis v. Allies story. The Axis v. Allies story in my opinion is only clear after 12-7-41. Germany and Italy declare war on the US before the US declares war on them. Japan acts prior to declaring war and the US has to declare war on 12-8-41 in response.

Prior to 12-7-41, it appears that there was a portion of the intelligentsia in the United States that actually believed that Japan and Russia would start fighting before the Japanese would attack the US or US interests. These individuals underestimated the willingness of the Japanese military to gamble on the US attack extending Japanese power for another few years. Those analysts also guessed that Japanese-US interests would sort out in favor of US-Japan aligning against Communism and Stalin.

Knowing what happened, it's pretty dumb for the Japanese military to think that they could attack the US Navy and get away for very long. But, at the time, the IJN had six carriers and a number of battleships and cruisers. They were a very strong Pacific military war machine and yet did not have some key technologies that the USN had.

By 12-1941 it was clear that Japan was running low on energy and fuel. The McCollum memo included action items that cut off Japanese access to oil and embargoes on goods/trade to Japan from the US. The US and the UK were cutting off those energy supplies. There is a very clear school of thought that Japanese attacks in Hawaii, the Philippine Islands, Panama, and the Dutch-East Indies were simultaneously occurring in order to halt the progression of US power in the Pacific rim. Japan was struggling for oil in order to continue the Westward expansion of power in what is now China/Manchuria and Korea.

Remember that Japan and Russia had had a war 35 years earlier in which the US supplied some of the naval ships to the Japanese government in order to neutralize the Czarist Russian military power in the Northern Pacific.

Also recall that Japan had a civil war around 1870 with internal domestic political infighting lasting for decades. It's those internal struggles that partly led to the economic instability in the 1930's because the lack of Japanese political stability allows the militarists to rise, just as in the case of the German permitting the Nazi's and the Italians permitting the Fascists.

Democratic processes which are hijacked by the factions can be extremely dangerous, including our own vulnerability to such schemes in the United States.

If Germany had not moved on Russia, my guess is that Russia would have eventually moved on Germany anyway. Germany was encroaching on Russian power in the Baltic states. The UK was weak but not yet out of the game due to Lend Lease FDR policies in 1940. But, the key is that German economic growth and power were limited within the borders of Germany. With Hitler's fanatical vision for a grandiose third Reich, there is no option but to seize power and resources from outside Germany in order to stabilize internal power within the Reich. This leads to the inevitable need to attack other nations and seize those people as labor pool, those resources for the war machine, and those banks to fund.

I would argue in the case of both Germany and Japan, that a tyranny can not stand very long (only a few years time) compared to a democratic republic which can stand several rounds of difficulty and still show resilience. The primary reason for the difference is that a tyranny relies upon a non-motivated and threatened prisoner workforce. This is subject to poor morale, poor workmanship, and even sabotage due to the deathly labor conditions. Meanwhile, the US defense industry was cranked up and rolling in 1941. By 1942, ships, aircraft, and tanks were rolling off assembly lines in the US. And, the US labor pool was massive, well-trained, educated, committed to the war, and largely secure despite hardship of rationing and other economic impacts locally.

Japan and Germany had no hope of winning the wars because the power lay in US capitalism, industrial capability, and energy (oil from California and Texas). In a protracted fight, the US population was larger, better educated, and more productive. This means that the US was able to outproduce the other war machines and tactically field better weaponry and defense by 1945.

By late 1944, Japan and Germany had political regimes that were forcing labor, drafting younger teenagers (14 and 15 year olds), lacked production, lacked energy, and a selfish desperate leadership that would not admit their own errors.

Even if Japan had bombed the oil fields on Oahu, the IJN would have had to attack Hawaii and hold it militarily to remove US capability to rebuild. In 1942, the population of Hawaii was largely asian, including a sizable Japanese population that was loyal to the United States. There is no way that the IJN or Japanese military would have successfully invaded and held Hawaii. From what I have seen, even Admiral Yamamoto's own battle plan for the Pacific never contemplated invasion and holding Hawaii. From what I have seen in the limited English language translations available, the IJN command structure had significant doubts about the Pacific War even at the inception. They were acting on orders from higher up the chain of command and were executing along those lines. Some appear rather fatalistic in such action, knowing that they would die in the war anyway.

All this to say that war is bad.

Galearis ancientmoney
Jun 5, 2014 - 3:40pm

ancientmoney is very correct

We are all adults and can make these decisions. Having said that there is a very large (and unknowable) percentage of so-called gold bugs that do not understand why gold and silver, as monetary metals rise in price…I would even say that the majority of so-called gold bugs do not understand. If the so-called gold bug is thinking in terms of a dollar profit, then that person is not a gold bug; he is a dollar bug.

In other words when gold reaches $5000 per ounce, many pseudo gold bugs would sell out for a paper profit. But gold reaching $5000 is a strong signal that hyperinflation is upon us. That is a resounding DUHHHH! Stating the obvious, the seller has just committed financial suicide.

Does anyone think China is thinking about a dollar profit point of view?

True there will come a time when selling for currencies will make sense, but at a guess, that time will be much later – and probably many years away. Unless one needs the cash today.

I would recommend looking into the Free Gold worldview for what it takes to survive what is coming…



AlienEyes DragonFly
Jun 5, 2014 - 4:41pm

@ DragonFly

I no longer listen to the tripe that SFC spits up.

I must have out listened you.

Jun 5, 2014 - 4:49pm

Latest reaction from EU on Russia/Ukraine

EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has told the BBC that the inclusion of Russia in any future meeting of the leading industrial nations is uncertain.

Mr Barroso said the democratic G7 club "does not accept today the Russia of Vladimir Putin."

Leaders meeting in Brussels have said they are prepared to impose further sanctions on Russia over its actions in Ukraine.

3min interview here:

(my bold)


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