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Last evening, John and Steve continued their weekly discussion of the events unfolding in Eastern Europe and Ukraine.

This is another interesting discussion as it covers the history of the region, the increasing tensions and the upcoming D-Day Anniversary events which will be attended by Putin, Woody and nearly every other "Western" leader.

Again, some background on Professor Cohen can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_F._Cohen

And you can catch the John Batchelor Program nightly by clicking here: https://johnbatchelorshow.com/

TF

  58 Comments

wildstylechef
Jun 4, 2014 - 2:39pm

1st

ya!! still say this is extremely important trend line and has yet to be broken


Jun 4, 2014 - 3:06pm

I like that chart

Great chart Wildstyle.

The technical analysts all ought to be calling for buyers.

DragonFly
Jun 4, 2014 - 3:40pm

The more I listen to SFC

The less I like him. The statement that the Soviets beat Germany before D day is pure propaganda. I'm not defending the US, but this guy has an anti US agenda.

elpicador
Jun 4, 2014 - 3:46pm
CPE
Jun 4, 2014 - 3:51pm

Ukraine

Oil sold off today, so Ukraine is fixed. Look a kitten!


Jun 4, 2014 - 4:22pm

@DragonFly

I'm sure SFC was referring to the events the year before wrt Stalingrad and destruction of Germany's 6th Army.

Rather than classifying his statement as "pure propaganda" can we agree that it's debatable?

Now, to classify him as anti-US based on his Presidential voting record...I can go with that :-P

Occasnltrvlr
Jun 4, 2014 - 4:26pm
DragonFly
Jun 4, 2014 - 4:26pm

I'm with SS

The Soviets certainly "softened them up" quite a bit and history is full of references to Hitler's two-front war as his ultimate downfall.

I have to agree. If Hitler had maintained detente with Moscow through 1945, how in the world would the U.S, GB, Canada and the rest have been able to defeat him?

MountainMan
Jun 4, 2014 - 4:31pm

Time To Exit

I am liquidating all my metals on the next bounce. Market structure indicating much lower levels ahead. $15 silver and $1000 gold targets are in the crosshairs now. They will crush gold on any move back towards the $1280 level. Goldman's capture of Ecuadorian gold sets the stage for the start of a massive forward selling operation.

ancientmoney MountainMan
Jun 4, 2014 - 4:39pm

@MountainMan re: liquidating all metals . . .

For your sake, I hope you mean all paper metals.

If you sell your phyzz, you are playing into their hands, as you will be unlikely to buy phyzz again anywhere near current prices, if at all.

Remember, they MUST get rid of the 100:1 leverage, and that means those with paper will see values go to ZERO.

CPE
Jun 4, 2014 - 4:55pm

RE: Ancientmoney

you are correct sir!

Here's where I spam this chart again...

MountainMan ancientmoney
Jun 4, 2014 - 5:00pm

re liquidation

ancientmoney,

i am talking about physical metal man. There will be plenty for sale down below...don't fall into that trap...dealers have all the gold here to sell to you now and they will further below. It's a different game if you are talking thousands of ounces, but for us simple folks, the metal will be available. Just my personal game plan as I can no longer stand and watch the value fall off a cliff.

DragonFly
Jun 4, 2014 - 5:02pm

The reason I say it pure

The reason I say it pure propaganda is that it's meant to diminish the US contribution without any factual based debate. It also leads one to assume the US did little before DDay. WWII could have gone a lot of different directions. It wasn't over until after DDay. His supporting arguments are 97/100 soviets died, the Soviets still celebrate VA Day and Spielberg makes good movies. I don't want to debate WWII. I only wanted to say that SFC lost credibility with me because of the statement.

MountainMan
Jun 4, 2014 - 5:11pm

CPE

You guys have been posting these chart since $1900! Come on man, just look at the fucking weekly chart...we are going off a cliff soon.

CPE
Jun 4, 2014 - 5:12pm

RE: MountainMan

I recognize you from the Nudge Team. What do they pay you to say these things?

I see what you mean, the "value" has certainly not stood the test of time...

If you exchange physical gold for fiat currency, at least make sure it's the physical linen. The electronic version is subject to Corzine vaporization techniques. Check out Deutchebank's excellent capitalization.

What specifically about "market structure" has you worried? My concern about market structure can be found in a few more pictures:

CPE
Jun 4, 2014 - 5:15pm

RE: Mountainman

You look at the charts and think you can tell the future. I look at the pictures I just posted and know that it is impossible for this to continue much longer. History is on my side. You are playing a shorter game I guess. Have fun while it lasts.

NW VIEW TF
Jun 4, 2014 - 5:18pm

@ Craig

Yes the Soviets did soften them up and the "timing of events " in Europe and the Pacific made things difficult. If we had entered the war sometime after 1945 the entire area would have been softened up and General George Patton would have been like a junk yard dog as he moved across Europe and entered Moscow (his view of the way things should have been). That view cost him his life (jmo). GP said "Wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won by men. It is the spirit of men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory".

My NW VIEW: If Hitler had maintained detente with Moscow, we would be speaking Russian and Japanese today.

elpicador DragonFly
Jun 4, 2014 - 5:20pm

Hitler actually saved the Western Europe

Most people don't know that German attack on the Soviet Union took place just days before the Soviets were to launch an invasion on Germany and then the rest of the Europe. In 1941, the military power of the USSR was equal to today's might of the US Army. Just to give a picture; they had 26 000 tanks and about 20 million mobilized men.

 https://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/icebreaker.pdf

Regarding Mr Cohen's comments on Poland's involvement in Ukraine, I must say that he is wrong saying that the Polish government has its own policy; it hasn't. They support the Right Sector, which is continuation of the nationalists movement (UPA), responsible for slaughtering thousand of polish people in 1943 an still have territorial demands from Poland; likewise Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

They do what they are told by two fractions; American and German. Why they are doing it? Most of Polish politicians were members of the opposition during the communist regime, and many of them betrayed the 'Solidarity' movement (i.e. Walesa) by becoming an informant (maul) of the Security Service (SB), which gathered all the information about those 'oppositionists' in their archives. When the communism was about to collapse, three copies of all those files were made. Two of them are in Germany and Russia, the third one somewhere in Poland, and I'm sure that CIA has some of it as well. Shortly before Poland joined USA in the war in Iraq, Polish PM paid a visit in Langley; quite unusual as for the official diplomatic visit. Regarding the fact that the PM was former communist, I think that he was showed, what CIA knew about his and others past. 

By the way, I'm Polish, and I can't stand those mother f....s wearing suits, who sold my country. They are doing the same thing, other idiots did in 1939 when they believed in the British guaranties and pushed Poland towards the war with Germany, which cost us 18% of the population dead and 50 years of communism.

DragonFly
Jun 4, 2014 - 5:38pm

I hear ya

I don't wish to debate it, either. However, I do find some of these "alternative history" narratives quite interesting. For example, what if Hitler hadn't moved on Russia? Or, what if The Japs had gone ahead with their "third wave" and struck both the fuel depots and drydocks of Pearl Harbor? What if Roosevelt and Taft hadn't split the Repub vote in 1912 and how would things have evolved differently if WoodyI had never been elected?


Jun 4, 2014 - 6:01pm

What if...

...I had taken the blue pill instead of the red pill? Ignorance was bliss.

Lamenting Laverne
Jun 4, 2014 - 6:23pm

@ El Picador

Thanks for the link to the German article on Rubles payments. Very interesting indeed - especially when 3-4 companies represents 44% of exports and they are under more or less direct control of the politicians.

Mantis
Jun 4, 2014 - 6:33pm

mountainman

Thats a pretty ballsy move. I think its just as likely or more likely to break upwards. If it keeps going down premiums will go up anyway. Think I'll just hold myself like.

tmosley TF
Jun 4, 2014 - 6:40pm

Turd: There was literally no

Turd:

There was literally no way for Hitler to do that. The Soviets planned to invade even before they agreed to partition Poland, and Hitler knew it. When Hitler invaded Russia, the Nazis noted the huge masses of equipment near their border--they were at most a few months away from launching an invasion.

woofwoof
Jun 4, 2014 - 6:44pm

Mountainman

I would be interested in your silver at $15. Why wait to sell if you think it's going there anyway? Wouldn't you rather have some nice crispy dollar bills? 

MountainMan woofwoof
Jun 4, 2014 - 7:06pm

Discount Silver & Gold

woofwoof,

I'll be interested in my silver and gold lower down, but right now, I am interested on selling the next bounce.

silver66
Jun 4, 2014 - 8:01pm

Turd, history they forgot to teach us about the great wars

Here is a link to a US Army book about the war we fought in 1919 with Russia. Remember that one they taught us about ending in 1918. https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=1243503473&searchurl=k... Silver66

Hook
Jun 4, 2014 - 8:15pm

LCS

I walked into Liberty Metals in Scottsdale today to get some silver. Well I didn't get any, they are cleaned out due to the latest price drop. Good luck getting any at 18, or 17, or 16....you get the picture. 

DeaconBenjamin
Jun 4, 2014 - 8:43pm

I hear ya

Biggest what if -- what if Hitler didn't declare war on the US? How does FDR put Europe first? Does Congress declare war on Hitler? 

Does FDR actually send food, ammo, medical supplies, and other support to the Philippines that instead went to the UK and Soviets? Why was FDR willing to accept losses over 90% to ship materials to Murmansk (in some convoys) and not send a single bullet or pound of food to support the US Army and Filipinos on Bataan and Corrigedor?

I Run Bartertown
Jun 4, 2014 - 9:02pm

We'll never know

Maybe the biggest 'what if' is...

what if the Allied soldiers on D Day morning had been given just a glimpse of Western Nations in 2014. Would they have marched one more step forward?

ag1969
Jun 4, 2014 - 9:44pm

I've never heard of Franklin Sanders before...

...but I enjoyed this article:

Be still, my beating heart! The GOLD PRICE rose sixty cents today (not fifty-nine, but sixty) while silver rose 2.3 cents, an amount no self-respecting person would bend over to pick up off the sidewalk if he saw it lying there. Gold ended at $1,244.30 and silver at 1873.2 cents.

By the way, Commitment of Traders reports show that gold dropped last week not due to longs selling, but huge new short positions. Nothing new there.

I expect that the GOLD PRICE will turn around either from here or between here and $1,230. The SILVER PRICE could re-visit its June 2013 lows. The last week has done a lot of damage to silver and gold prices, and delayed a rally further.

Makes no difference how long this drags out, it won't be much longer now. Sometimes, it seems, things take longer than they do.

Whenever things seem to work out illogically, I go back and check my premise, which is, INFLATION DRIVES GOLD and SILVER BULL MARKETS. Fed creates inflation for government spending and to keep the borrow-money-into- existence money system going. So if y'all are worried about silver and gold prices, get on the internet and look up the answers to these questions:

https://silver-and-gold-prices.goldprice.org/2014/06/silver-and-gold-pri...

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