Why the AR-15?

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:16pm
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12ga - .70 cal.

A friend forwarded this to me. Haven't tried it, so judge for yourself:

A field expedient shotgun slug, equivilent to .70 caliber, from a #8 bird shot load...!!??

https://www.2ndamendmenttv.com/videos/shotguns/lost-arts-pt-1.html

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:23pm
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next purchase is THE gun....

ok. I would rather life was such that I didn't see a need for a g*n.

But MUCH better to have it and not need it... than to NEED it and not have it!!

So, that is next on our prepping list....

Sorry, for the ignorant questions, but do ALL g*n purchases require the government-involvement-paperwork??? It is illegal to own a g*n without said paperwork???

It is obvious that everyone has their preferences.... I'd just really prefer to buy a g*n without that involvement....

????

Lainey

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:26pm
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Guns to have

I recommend a shot gun as the #1 choice for home protection and buy slugs (act as massive gaged rifle), 00, and bird-shot #6-8 ammo (to not go through walls maybe needed?).

After that and a close second is a hand gun of at least a 9mm caliber or bigger. Maybe more than one and then a smaller one is warranted also, and would make good back up for another friend/family member. A 45 will be nice when you know one shot will do!

Third would be a AR style rifle. I have a scoped 20" AR-15 and also a 16" with a collapsible stock, both exact internal parts with extra. One for each family member.

And forth is a higher caliber scoped rifle to reach out in the distance. Maybe a 308, or 30-06 will take any animal in North America ;) I am still working on these as I started at the top!

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:35pm Laineyisat
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g*n purchases & gubmint paperwork

If you make purchases in a store you can expect to fill out paperwork. Gun shows I'm not sure. I when I used to live in Washington State there was still paperwork. The only way to truly avoid paperwork is a private purchase from a fellow citizen.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:39pm Laineyisat
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Depends upon your state.

Depends upon your state. Under Federal law, intrastate transfers of firearms between individuals requires no .gov involvement. Some states-CA, IL etc.- require state involvement no matter what or where you transfer. Anything purchased through a dealer will require a 4473 and an instant background check, plus whatever regs your stat has imposed.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:43pm Laineyisat
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no paperwork from private sellers

Check craigslist and classified ads in your paper.

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:43pm Laineyisat
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FTF (face to face)

FTF (face to face) transactions are legal in most States. OH seems to defer to Federal law, so FTF would be legal (please verify first). Here in Kalifornia paperwork is required. My dad is a part-time bartender in Texas, and sweet firearms are sold and traded all the time for cash. Maybe a good place is a bar close to divorce court :-)

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 8:08pm
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Idaho Gunshows

No requirements as it is considered face to face. Not sure about other states but I think most Intermountain states are the same. Also get to know your local pawn shops and owners. I've got a great one that works with me on layaway and he's honest.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 8:36pm Kegfreak
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AR Cleaning

Kegfreak wrote:

How much do you want to clean it?....winner AK. Be prepared to spend a decent amount of time maintaining your AR-15. 50 rounds and you will have carbon on the bolt and a dirty chamber. 300-500 rds and you will get some jamming, immediate action type situations.

Either rifle is a good investment. On the cleaning, though... I think you're being way conservative unless you just have a crappy rifle. I give mine a good cleaning every 1000-1500 rounds, and just squirt some lube inside when I got to the range in between. I've yet to have any malfunction with any of my AR's with this methodology. Of course, my shooting is almost all at a range, but still.

Now if you're talking dirt and grime from being out in the dirt, sand, and mud, that may be a different story, but normal range-type use, if it's jamming after 300 rounds, there's something wrong with your AR15, IMO.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 8:45pm Dr.VanNostrand
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VanNostrand

Dr.VanNostrand wrote:

Adventures -

Thanks for the advice. Picked up my 1st firearm (Ruger SR9 9MM) a couple of months ago. Been looking at something larger. Been debating between a 12GA or an tactical/assault rife, but being in California, the assault choices arent that great. So you think the 12GA will suffice?

Thanks!

A 12 gauge Remington 870 with a 20" barrel, a +2 tube extension (Wilson Combat is my choice), and a sling (never forget the sling!) is a fantastic home defense weapon. Most people recommend 00 buckshot as the proper load. Your handgun is a good one, too.

As far as a rifle goes, my thinking is that some birdshot and a Ruger 10/22 will get you lots of small game if you can find it, but unless you think you're going to go fight off a gang in the streets, a Pistol, Shotgun, and .22LR rifle (two of each or plenty of spare parts) should be sufficient for most needs.

You chose a decent pistol. I prefer Glock, but I've shot SR9's and they're good-to-go, in my opinion. Make sure you get some decent self-defense ammo.

But above all, practice with your weapons and take a few classes if you can. A gun's not much good if you can't use it properly under stress.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 9:31pm pourty
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500 Yards with an AR-15

500 Yards with an AR-15 ???

Yes - with the right scope like this one, and good flat-line trajectory ammo like HPR 60 Grain VMAX. Check this video out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY90PzcYCIc

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 9:34pm
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Any suggestions for someone

Any suggestions for someone that lives in cali?

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 9:46pm CCK
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Thanks Chris. Some of my fav

Thanks Chris.

Some of my fav sites for gear and guns:

www.sigsauer.com

www.cheaperthandirt.com

www.cabelas.com

www.uscav.com

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 9:48pm pourty
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I'm In Agreement

I'm in agreement with most here. Keep your 'aresenal' safe and secure.

Good defensive type weapons:

.22 LR, these are common and everyone should own at least one. good for everything and in the right hands is very deadly.

12 ga shotgun with 00 buck and some 7's for most small game.(i have Remington 870, benelli M2, and I am dreaming of a RTS-12 semi-auto).

a pistol that fits your hand/needs. it is important to get a handgun that you are comfortable in 'wielding'....that is carrying, shooting, cleaning, etc. (I personally have both 9mm, and 2-SA XD .40s).

Good offensive type weapons:

as everyone suggested, ARs, SKS/AK variants are always nice, but may not necessary. a good bolt action rifle w/scope can round out a very nice collection. (I personally have a custom AR w/EoTech sights along with spare parts, upper, barrel, springs, etc.). I also have a cheaper model .308 that I have had custom modified into a 'sniper' variant rifle.

Something to keep in the back of your mind. As others have stated, keep your ammunition choices to a minimum and stock up on the calibers that you have. Make certain that your choice is a common round to a major government (ie. the US Military). This means those types of rounds will be 'floating' around in case of a major event.

Remember to practice and be familiar with your weapons. Keep your family members trained in how to use these weapons and not to be afraid of them. They may eventually save your (their) life.

Good Luck and always Be Safe when handling firearms.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 9:49pm esib100oz
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Cali suggestions

Move!! And quick!!

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 9:54pm
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Other choices

If you want sexy then buy an AR-15, but if you want practical then consider a Ruger Mini 14. Head to head they're very equal but the Ruger can be purchased for a lot less (and it can be tricked out to make it sexy).

An important factor if considering an AR-15 - There are many manufacturers making AR-15s. They are not all the same quality. So be sure to do your homework before buying.

Pertaining to both guns, if part of your intent is to use the gun for hunting, check your state laws first. Many states don't allow you to hunt big game with a .223 caliber gun.

For home protection I'm well covered. For the record, I keep a shotgun and a pistol closer to my bed than the assault rifle.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 10:22pm
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ak AND ar

there's a rifle out that's called the ar-10. it's an ar-15 that's chambered for 7.62x39 - the ak-47 round. why not have one of each? simplifies the ammo situation, and you've got the best of both worlds.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 10:36pm
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It all depends...

The defensive firearm that's best for you depends on several things: who you are, where you are, and what scenario you envision.

My recoil sensitive wife has one of those cute poodle shooters. When at my place in the city, I take comfort in having a short barreled, extended magazine 12 gauge. At our country place with longer ranges a FAL fits the bill. All have complete parts kits (assembled and ready for service).

Sidearms are a whole different category, but IMHO, more critical than the long guns.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 10:40pm Biscuit
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The Five-Seven is the handgun

The Five-Seven is the handgun to bring to a battle. I don't have one yet though but on the list.

For a more power but less capacity, the 10mm from Glock is IMPRESSIVE!

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 10:47pm Robert Iglehart
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The AR-10 is a 7.62 x 51

The AR-10 is a 7.62 x 51 chamber, not the 7.62 x 39. Either way, it's a big round and will do significant damage.

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