Why the AR-15?

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#1 Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:04pm
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Why the AR-15?

Why the AR-15 for preparedness planning?

  • Affordable.
  • Easy to find parts for.
  • Easy to maintain.
  • Very customizable for specific needs.
  • Lightweight.
  • Ample and affordable ammunition supplies.
  • Suitable for up to deer-sized game.
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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:11pm
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Look, until you have cruise

Look, until you have cruise missiles, or better yet, a nuclear weapon that you can deliver, no one will let you secede. AR-15s? Those are for my kids. 

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:12pm
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Only if you buy the right one

Follow and read lots (post little) to these sites if you want to know which gun to buy (the chart) and how to run the gun and take care of it after the purchase.

M4Carbine.net

Weaponevolution.com

And for the best in training (even if it does focus primarily on the AK)

Warriortalk.com

Chris

(no affiliation with any of the above, other than a happy user. Same screen name at the above 3 forums)

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:14pm (Reply to #2)
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whateves

Teaser wrote:

Look, until you have cruise missiles, or better yet, a nuclear weapon that you can deliver, no one will let you secede. AR-15s? Those are for my kids. 

Teaser it ain't about secession. It's about protecting yourself physically from the mob the same way we all try to protect ourselves financially.

Chris

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:26pm (Reply to #3)
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The chart

CCK wrote:

Follow and read lots (post little) to these sites if you want to know which gun to buy (the chart) and how to run the gun and take care of it after the purchase.

"The chart" is overrated. Most people will be just fine with a weapon that doesn't meet that checklist.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:30pm
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The only thing I would add is

The only thing I would add is that do not rely solely upon having a single AR-15. Have multiple weapon systems, including a variety of handguns, and for sure some shotguns (my favorite is the Benelli M-4). Be sure you get training on how to use them and PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!!

Also, acquire ammo. In the scheme of things, ammo acts almost like money. It is a store of value, a unit of account, small and transportable, and has an indefinite shelf life if stored properly. Only thing is that it is not rare. BUT, when Obama and his minions restrict purchase or possession of ammo, then ammo may indeed function as a surrogate for money. Something to think about, no?

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:37pm (Reply to #6)
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Ammo

California Lawyer wrote:

Also, acquire ammo. In the scheme of things, ammo acts almost like money. It is a store of value, a unit of account, small and transportable, and has an indefinite shelf life if stored properly. Only thing is that it is not rare. BUT, when Obama and his minions restrict purchase or possession of ammo, then ammo may indeed function as a surrogate for money. Something to think about, no?

Indeed. All the firearms in the world won't do any good if the user doesn't have any ammo to go with them.

Ammo has a long, long, long shelf life. Once you've settled on what are appropriate rounds for your intended use(s), there is no harm in stockpiling as much is as appropriate given your budget and intentions. Ammo usually just gets cheaper by the thousands anyway.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:42pm (Reply to #6)
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Would agree

If the SHTF, ammo could trade like 90% coin. I would suggest sticking with common ammo as well and not the exotic. Bricks of 22 LR cheap and a lot of folks have 22's. 

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:42pm (Reply to #6)
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Remmington 870 express

Remmington 870 express Tactical w/ 2 shot extension, w/door breacher choke , w/Spec Ops(Knoxx) recoil reducing stock and w/ Tacstar side saddle( holding a total of 13 shots in and on the gun)

This is my preferred weapon. I also had a 6 hour training course that included Handling/Cleaning , Safety , Home Defense and various Tactical exercises.

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:44pm (Reply to #7)
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Speaking of AR-15's, wanted

Speaking of AR-15's, wanted to point you guys out to what I know primarily shoot: HPR Ammo https://www.HPRammo.com


Have never had a better feeding and more accurate groupings with my M&P. A buddy of mine primarily shoots the heavier grain bullets like the 75g & VMAX and he has compared HPR with Black Hills and is really pumped. All American doesn't hurt either.

Gold, Silver, Food, & Ammo = Great Combo

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:47pm
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I believe everyone should own

I believe everyone should own at least one high quality AR15 (reference "the chart" on M4carbine.net) for the reasons above. It is a domestic weapon.

Spare parts (Bolt, Lower parts kit) are a good idea as well as plenty of magazines and a stockpile of ammo. 

On the subject of ammo, I would strongly encourage storing some in common calibers (.22LR, 9mm, .40, .45, .223, 7.62x39, .308, 12ga.) even if you don't own guns that use them, to supply your neighbors or trade for essentials.

I also believe everyone should own at least one high quality, low maintenance, reliable pistol. Professional training classes for both of these should be of high importance. In addition to this, I would recommend at least some familiarity with other "assault" rifles as well, such as an AK variant.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 5:49pm (Reply to #11)
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www.ar15.com     

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:07pm
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Never have just "one".  There

Never have just "one". There is a saying, "One is none and Two is one". Please don't spend all your fiat on a tricked out $1,500 rifle. Better to get two rifles of same make/model because s^*T happens and things go wrong, you will need the backup. A firearm is useless without training and range time. I have half a dozen old Mosin Nagant's in 7.62x54R. Paid $75 each for them. Ammo is cheap and every member of my family is trained in it. So simple to take apart, built like a tank, so cheap I'm not afraid to dump it if need be. Later,if you have the funds, then get yourself a couple of AR's/AK's/etc. Just make sure you are competent with it. 

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:21pm
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AR's vs AK's

I've been known to collect a gun or two and here is what it comes down to between a AR-15/M4, or an AK.

How much do you want to clean it?....winner AK. Be prepared to spend a decent amount of time maintaining your AR-15. 50 rounds and you will have carbon on the bolt and a dirty chamber. 300-500 rds and you will get some jamming, immediate action type situations. You can shoot an AK, put it in your safe, pull it out and go shooting again and again without a problem.

How accurate do you want it to be?.....winner AR-15. The Ar isn't a great hunting rifle, but it will put a hole in a deer at 500 meters good enough. The AK is ok up to 200 meters then drops off the map. If you are buying a rifle for teotwawki, the AK will get the job done, but if you want a bit more utility from the rifle, the AR is the way to go.

They are both great rifles in their own ways. Ammo is cheaper for an AK, you can buy it in sealed sardine cans and bury it! You can make an AR into a super accurate tricked out bambi blaster that is still functional for home defense. I say...buy both and have fun!

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:40pm
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A thing a lot of people I

A thing a lot of people I know seem to always neglect is the utility of a good bow or crossbow. Most of the friends I hunt with are too lazy to bowhunt but in a SHTF scenario a good bow and skills could serve very useful. Ammo runs out eventually, especially if you're in a scenario where you're hunting for your food everyday. Whats also nice about a bow is if you have a decent sized yard you can practice whenever you want. I'm not saying its gonna serve you well against a mob of starving urbanites but it is a nice tool to put in your box. Also might be nice for people who live in places where they are not allowed access to guns.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:45pm
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I like the AR's but to be

I like the AR's but to be honest my SKS and my shot gun would be my first grab. AR's are nice but have a lot of moving parts, not a good start for the noobs.

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:52pm (Reply to #16)
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AR has fewer moving parts than SKS

Shill wrote:

I like the AR's but to be honest my SKS and my shot gun would be my first grab. AR's are nice but have a lot of moving parts, not a good start for the noobs.

The SKS has more moving parts than the AK. The AK has more moving parts than the AR. You want something simple with few moving parts, then you want an AR.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:57pm (Reply to #14)
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500 meters?

Kegfreak wrote:

How accurate do you want it to be?.....winner AR-15. The Ar isn't a great hunting rifle, but it will put a hole in a deer at 500 meters good enough. 

500 meters? Ummmm, I'd bet that not more than one in 20-30 average shooters could hit a deer at 500 meters with an AR-15. With one round anyway. Now, throw a 20-round clip and................

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:05pm
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I do everything on the cheap and I don't consider an AR 15 cheap

13 years in the Army so I carried an M16A1-M-4. They are a little temperamental until you learn to keep it clean and properly oiled.

For on the cheap and for a starting out I recommend a 12 gauge tactical shotgun as a home defense weapon. Using slug ammo it can take down deer around 100 yards. 00 buckshot is a great defense round. Then a pistol in 9mm or larger caliber your choice. Then practice, If you can hit what you aim at it doesn't matter what gun you have.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:10pm (Reply to #19)
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Adventures - Thanks for the

Adventures -

Thanks for the advice. Picked up my 1st firearm (Ruger SR9 9MM) a couple of months ago. Been looking at something larger. Been debating between a 12GA or an tactical/assault rife, but being in California, the assault choices arent that great. So you think the 12GA will suffice?

Thanks!

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:16pm (Reply to #19)
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good call people

I got the shot gun I wanted, just waiting to buy the hand gun I want and yes plenty of ammo.