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#1 Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 4:53pm
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Martin Armstrong

We couldn't do any kind of in depth topic discussion on the old format, so I have been waiting for the new site here to start this discussion regarding Martin Armstrong, and specifically how his writing relates to silver. His writing at first glance can be cryptic and vague, and Turd himself said he dosent know what to make of him. I'd like to venture my what may be only my interpretation of Armstrong writing about Silver, specifically his prediction of a bottom on June 13th;

Can we call this Armstrongs bottom? His model is really meant to predict shifts in consumer sentiment, and identify where money is going to flow in each cycle, and for silver to bottom on that day actually portends that silver very well may be the source of the next 'phase transition' as he calls it.

I know his righting seems vague at first glance, but it is expressed in "if then" statements, for example

"We have two primary possibilities for a low shaping up on the horizon. WE could create that spike low and BOTTOM precisely on June 13th/14th in a few weeks, and this would tend to suggest we may be more likely than not going to see the 1980 high of $54 exceeded by 2013. The other possibility remains the fact that the low could extend for 2.15 years into the next turning point on the Economic Confidence Model."

Quote from "the silver crash of 2011"

https://www.martinarmstrong.org/files/The%20Silver%20Crash%20of%202011%2...

Here is one article about the turning point that focuses more on gold for you Eric#1:

https://www.martinarmstrong.org/files/June13th%2014th%20Turning%20Point%...

It stands to reason that since silver and not gold made a solid bottom on that day, it will be silver that is the target of the next phase in the cycle, but of course thats just my interpretation. What do you guys think?

Fascinating reading for those interested in history too imho.

Here is a link to all the other articles if you are just getting started with Armstrong:

https://www.martinarmstrong.org/economic_projections.htm

Also, I gotta test out the new picture function just to see if I can put one up! Love the new site Turd!! Here is my pic (unrelated)

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:07pm
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Thanks for the links and

Thanks for the links and interesting info. Not looking for extremes, but is it really possible to discuss or analyze spot silver without mentioning manipulation at all? 

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:08pm
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Armstrongs bottom

I saw my post wasnt published right away, and then it came up a few minutes later with a note that it was edited by an admin. Did I break some kind of rule in this post? Just wondering and wanting to make sure I'm kosher from now on if so. (pic also unrelated, but my brokers name is actually Matt)

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:19pm (Reply to #2)
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Probably not

(this is in response to the question about silver without manipulation up above, hope I am responding correctly)

We did have a very brief window where we saw what silver would do without the invisible hand of the monkeys when they let it run up to 48 in April. In retrospect it was a great peek into the future and what will happen when the price is allowed to approach real market value. Now that we know the ee just stood aside and let it roll on its own, we have have a pretty solid confirmation that silver right now is undervalued, and will continue to be until the manipulation ends. 

Short answer to your questions though, no, I don't think its possible to discuss the real chart action in silver without mention of the manipulation. Ted Butler wrote recently he thinks the EE and their HFT machines constitute over %80 of the overall futures market, so no matter how you slice it, they still have control. Its been going on for a long time. Some would say its been going on for generations, and the people in control of it now have no idea how to allow it to end without a full on crash of the system. 

So what we are seeing now, imho, is the manipulators letting go in very slow motion. They can't keep it up forever and they know it, but they will keep control as long as they can.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:20pm
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Hi There,     Glad we can

Hi There, 

 Glad we can discuss this... 

Silver did not appear to rally for the last two weeks so im wondering as well if it bottomed out. However, the dollar may have bottomed and gold topped for now.. if so, then we may decline or trend sideways given the euro crisis (may offset some losses)

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:27pm (Reply to #5)
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No matter how you look at it, I think silver @ $35 an ounce is a bargain and I think buyers of size share that sentiment. I mean, even on paper in the shifty world of comex, silver below $35 is a no brainer, the truck already backed up if you know what I mean. 

Thats why 35 seems like a solid bottom to me.

One more pic (I cant resist, this site is so awesome, also unrelated)

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:44pm
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Is Armstrong still in jail?

Is Armstrong still in jail? Makes me wonder how he can do what he does in that environment.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:48pm (Reply to #7)
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Martin is Free

No he got out of jail about a month ago, I heard about it on turds blog first. Since then his writing has become much easier to read, I think its because he at last has access to a computer, rather than just a typewriter. Armstrong is awesome. (pic unrelated)

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:55pm
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I read most of Armstrong's

I read most of Armstrong's writings a while ago, but I seem to remember that he was involved in creating the original algos for computer trading models. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. If this is true could it then be possible that he can chart future trends based on a computer model that is still being used by the system. Just an idea that has been bouncing around in my head. Anyhow, love the site and good post.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 6:59pm (Reply to #8)
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Nice. Ripples, cycles and

Nice. Ripples, cycles and waves for everyone.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:03pm (Reply to #9)
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Armstrongs Anon (AA meeting)

onealpha wrote:

I read most of Armstrong's writings a while ago, but I seem to remember that he was involved in creating the original algos for computer trading models. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. If this is true could it then be possible that he can chart future trends based on a computer model that is still being used by the system. Just an idea that has been bouncing around in my head. Anyhow, love the site and good post.

Actually he claims that he destroyed the computers that ran his system to keep it from falling into the hands of the CIA and Chinese government, and that is partially why he was wrongfully put in jail. He was sentenced to 7 years for a simple contempt of court for crying out loud. He has been doing a lot of new writing lately though, I put the link to his stuff up above.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 7:10pm (Reply to #11)
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I will check out your links.

I will check out your links. Jim Sinclair used to post his work on jsmineset.com but its been a while since I read his stuff. Time to check him out again now that he can do what he wants.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 8:05pm (Reply to #4)
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SB, I'd be a bit cautious

SB,

I'd be a bit cautious about saying that the runup in April was due to the EE stepping aside. As Ted Butler has pointed out, the EE has massively decreased its short position. So, the run-up in April was likely (at least in part) due to short covering by the EE.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 8:25pm
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here is Martin telling

here is Martin telling ...his fight with the boyzzz and the Club

https://www.10sigma.com/files/Martin%20Armstrong%20Biography%20May%202011.pdf

looking forward to read this thread

paladin

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 9:03pm (Reply to #14)
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bottom?

might not be the bottom.....

but what other asset can u buy, at or less than its price was approx 30 years ago........................

and at $44 is still approx 10% below 30 years ago prices.................

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 9:35pm (Reply to #11)
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destuction of computers

The computers were set up to self destruct if tampered with, Armstrong knew he might not have the ability to destroy them as it may have been against the law - warrants subpoenas etc. . Also he understood THEY may just take him or the computers the man is no dummy. 

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 9:38pm
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I read all of Armstrong's

I read all of Armstrong's writings. It is a bit of a difficult read.... but worth it. Wish I could understand it all.

Thanks Santa (Jim Sinclair) for introducing him to me.

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 9:59pm
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Jun 14th Turning

I think it's interesting that Martin indicated Jun 14th would be a turning point. His turning points, though, don't usually becomes self-evident until up to 2.5 years later. What are your thoughts about this current turning point?

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 10:09pm (Reply to #14)
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Martin A.'s long battles with the CLUB

Wow, paladin, that's quite a bio. It kinda reaffirms one's trust in the wisdom and goodness of humanity, in the US justice and regulatory system, in the integrity and honesty of government in general...devil

It will take a while to read through all of these:

https://www.martinarmstrong.org/economic_projections.htm

Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 10:10pm (Reply to #11)
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Algos

From my understanding GREENSCAM created the algos back in the 70's. He was the original computer geek realizing they could..(oh how do I say this with out using the M word) markets. Armstrong created something totally different utlizing historical data going back to the Roman era( or before) which incorporated all types of input including natural disasters weather and anything that would effect markets or market psychology. That is why he is so beyond anyone else, if you read all his works(several times) on that site he shows how natural events like the 1906 earthquake/fire led to the '07(19) panic onto the Fed to depression on and on.

I don't intend to upset anyone but choosing to ignore manipulation is like believing the WWF (TV wrestling). This is an educational site more than anything, if we were to turn a blind eye to causal facts the people that don't have a clue will get blindsided and may cost them or us our lives. I wish for as many people to wake up as possible because I don't want them at my door (empty handed) on the DAY.

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Tue, Jun 14, 2011 - 10:13pm (Reply to #19)
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CD there's more click on  may

CD there's more click on may bio at bottom of page brings you to page 2

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