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Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 2:06pm
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Yes, it is a deep hole. Two others areas which are interesting to me & you are probably aware of also are:

Phil Schneider (very disturbing information there, if true)

What the heck is going on in Antarctica?

(Have you ever ventured over to the Vatic Project?) Have to weed through stuff there, but get nuggets here & there.

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 2:10pm
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HAARP is but 1 piece of the

HAARP is but 1 piece of the puzzle, there are thousand upon thousand of other pieces.

Just to name a few of the other pieces:

Chemtrails

Bluebook/Bluebeam

Paperclip

Gardenplot

Illuminati

Mason

Illuminati card game

CFR

Trilateral commission

Bohemian Grove

Rothchild

Morgan

G20

receptious textus vs the alexandria text

FEMA

GATT

NAFTA

UN

CAFTA

NEPHLIM

and on and on and on.....

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 4:35pm
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@ Sensei - Very deep rabbit hole indeed

For me the jury is still out on Planet X/Nibiru. Contrary to Nana's advice, I would say, that you should be cautious to take the walk alone, unless you are a very strong person. I took the plunge alone out of curiosity, and it left me completely sad and totally drained of energy, and I usually consider myself a pretty sturdy lady and not easily persuaded by exotic claims. What is the purpose in trying to figure out all the details, if the confusing result of the attempt will render you unable to function or respond effectively, I ask (myself). My problem with this subject of Planet X is, that there are incredible amounts of misinformation out there or at least very contradicting information or half-information in addition to people trying to make a quick buck scaring other people. But mostly, I feel, that I do not have enough scientific background and knowledge of where to find reliable sources of information and hard data to evaluate properly, if what I am being told, does have any root in reality. So I feel like I am a sitting duck for manipulators. I have searched the net over a couple of years on the subject, but stopped last year because of insufficient hard data. E.g. in the evaluation of if something is a reasonable claim, it is quite important to know, if we are talking about a brown dwarf twin star to our sun with accompanying Nibiru in orbit, as some say, or if we are talking about a "normal" planet 2-3 times the size of the Earth in a fixed elongated orbit around our own sun, as others suggest. How far out is the orbit and so forth. Lucus said it was a massive big comet called Neat. I cannot find reliable answers to what we are really talking about. I do believe something strange is going on though. I have resigned to think that the overwhelming campaign of self sufficiency and preparedness information - first in the name of global warming and now in the name of Nibiru or alien invasions, the breaking down of the economy, risk of natural disasters, peak oil or you name it - all is orchestrated to get as many people off the immediate vulnerability list for when the western world economy crashes without having to actually tell the panic causing truth. This I can absorb. A brown dwarf and tidal waves in the x00 meters range and solar flares reaching right down to Earth with a magnetic field destroyed, I cannot absorb. Observations/comments on the video: If the Gulf Stream had stopped in June 2010, I believe we would have seen severe cold in Scandinavia and Britain already. The winter 2010 was very cold, but as far as I know it was not worse than the ice winters of the early 1980'ies. The 1990'ies winters have been notably warmer, that the 1980'ies according to my memory. Why do the speakers NEVER want to give a timeframe. The elderly ex. army guy Bob Dean, that Kerry Cassidy, used to interview, has said it could arrive anytime but no later than 2017. How credible is that! If these people were in the know, and they are watching the bloody thing on their telescopes, they would know exactly, when it is due to arrive. Your video said it is a planet 2-3 times the size of Earth. Why would there be problems with viewing a normal planet in the visible light, when they can watch nebulas millions of miles away? A brown dwarf solves that problem until it is closer, but - and I may be wrong - as far as I remember, the Hubble is not an infrared telescope. Could there be another explanation for Haarp installations being places only in the far North except for Costa Rica? Could it be to counter the effect of an alleged slowing Gulf Stream? (the speed and effects of which is still disputed). Is the slowly migrating magnetic pole argued to be due to Nibiru or is that a natural thing for Earth? If it is Nibiru, then does the timing/dating of rocks/ancient lavaflows with clearly different magnetic alignment, than todays orientation, match the alleged timing intervals for the visits of Nibiru? Reasons why the Jury is still out for me: I wanted to do my own observations, because I lost faith in all the internet apostles after too much contradiction. At the harvest moon 2011, which was very big and bright, I could see with my naked eyes, that the shadows were different than normal. I did not have a camera that could capture this, but went online and found a YouTube video from the day before, that showed, what I had seen. Then I found pictures of full moons from non-official sites (nature-lovers which were presumably non-manipulated) going back to 2002. Most pictures were from a very narrow geographic area. Compared these to official moon phases as seen from the northern hemisphere. It is normal that the moon has a slight libration, which means that the shadows will change a bit up and down. My observations from the pictures were that the two round mares at the mid-to-upper right hand side of the face of the moon moved from the very top to almost bottom during the observed space of time. Much much more than explained by the published libration behavior, and surely not caused by faltering economies. I have not been able to find any explanation for this. I have looked at the stars. During a period of e.g. a week, I would find that the stars, exemplified by the big dipper and other easily recognizable constellations, at the same time at night would be in different places. And then a week later everything would be back to normal. I realize that the night sky changes over the course of a year, but within a week back and forth, does not make sense to me. I have also had the same feeling as the interviewer in the video, that the moon would pop up in one place at one night only to be in a substantially different place the next around the same hour at night. But I did not document this properly, as in scientifically with dates, times and photographs etc. I made an orbit projection/drawing based on all the videos of two suns, that I could find, to see if they made sense in comparison with where the Earth was situated in relation to the Sun and the information about where the brown dwarf and orbitting Nibiru was sort of supposed to be. Quite a few of the videos were debunked, and the almost perfect orbit around the sun, that I came up with, would mean that the second sun/Nibiru has already zipped around the sun and is on its way out again, so I probably did not get that one right ;-) Some of the videos are hard to dismiss as fakes, though. Edit: I forgot this one. I have looked at pictures from the sun satellites, and clearly the pictures are altered sometimes. You can see it on the pixels. Now why would they do that? Finally, I have searched for pictures of petroglyphs from my own neck of the woods, and was intrigued to see that there were quite a few similarities with the petroglyphs that Lucus has presented from the US. Back in those days, these people should not even know about each other. So possibly they have witnessed the same heavenly phenomenon or maybe there were more connection between the symbolisms due to a common origin - Sumerian Iraq? It was also interesting to see that the petroglyphs of the Iron Age, that I could find pictures of, featured an amazing amounts of boats (or possibly sun carts) in lower altitude land, where I found no boats at the highest altitude location I found pictures from. They seemed to be busy just hunting deer. It could be explained merely by the distance to the coastline, but the boats were carrying animals etc., so it was not necessarily pictures of regular fishing trips. Finally, we too have the legend and corresponding petroglyphs of giants (nephilim). Until better and more actionable information is available, I have decided to just try and stay as prepared as I can for economical and societal hardship. And to stay happy and be appreciative for every good day, I am given. If the big red giant should come along, I have decided, that when it is time to go, it is time. Besides, if the legend is true, the great red giant will bring the gods home, and then anything can happen. Wrath or Praise, although I doubt the latter will be the case. Just imagine, if they could bring Tesla back with them, so he could get a second chance at teaching us about Radiant Energy, and how it was really meant to be used. That would be after they have thrown John Pierpont Morgan in a worm pit post mortem for earlier trespasses against Tesla. I am pretty sure, that Tesla would dedicate his efforts on something different than HAARP, or at least use the facilities for wireless transmission of energy with a benevolent end result. Hey! A girl is allowed to dream a bit, isn't she.

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 4:43pm
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Phil I think was

Phil I think was involved with DUMBS aka Deep Underground Military Bases.

Antarctica is very interesting. Past tropical? Past polar shift? Pre-flood? Pre-Peleg?

On a side note corexit 9500 and 9527 contains some very interesting chemicals. Think what could happen if it reaches the Antarctica.

https://www.bpoilspillcrisisinthegulf.webs.com/corexit.htm

Vatic project? sorry don't know about that.

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 5:19pm
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@ Lamenting

Tesla was absolutely brilliant.

By the way, Tesla worked for JP Morgan and Westinghouse.

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Did you know Tesla, Warburg and Einstein all knew each other.

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 5:24pm
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Lamenting

Thanks for your detailed reply.

I agree with you that by now we should see some amateurs showing pictures of planet X seen through their telescopes.

NASA apparently warned for 2 things in 2012: solar flare storms and 2 suns in the sky. I cannot find either of those warnings on their website. If they were there before they have been removed. I did however find a story that debunked Planet X as a hoax, without telling why. Exactly what you would expect if they tried to calm the public and prevent panic. Or it is a hoax in the first place, who knows.

3 weeks. If we don't see pictures within 3 weeks, Planet X can be thrown away.

Which leaves us with the flares, which (worst case) would be enough to stir the pot anyway. Think EMP pulse, think chaos. Boy am i glad when 2012 is over and done with.

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 5:29pm
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@nana/havefaith

@nana:

I have a hard time connecting Rothchild and co to Planet X.

If i had to try, it would be something among the lines of that they had the knowledge of it's existence since 1979 and prepared accordingly.

I guess this remains highly speculative.

@havefaith:

Impressive vid. What country did the guy in the vid hint at?

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 5:37pm
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Tesla

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Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 7:27pm
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HAARP

HAARP WEATHER CONTROL could be part of NWO DEPOPULATION PLAN, here's the science.

HAARP WEATHER CONTROL could be part of NWO DEPOPULATION PLAN, here's the science.

The Militarys Mystery Machine Part 1

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The Military's Mystery Machine [Part 2] - Haarp Weather Modification Technology in Alaska

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Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 8:17pm
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@ Nana - re Tesla

Yes! Brilliant indeed! I am definitely a fan.

From what I have read, Tesla was an incredibly talented man, with good intentions too. I could not believe, that the man who brought the world AC together with Westinghouse would be so little well known to me at least, when Edison and his DC was very known. And he did SO much more than AC, which was quite something in itself.

I am very fascinated by the story of his electrical car, that could run up to 90 mph a whole week on an electrical engine with no recharge other than a connection to his little brown box, he carried with him.

My snarky comment about JP Morgan, was because JP Morgan allegedly pulled all funding to Tesla, when he realized that Tesla's energy supplies to households, would not require a meter to be mounted, since he would be harvesting free radient energy. The banker of all bankers, except for Rothschild of course, apparently did not like the idea of free energy for the masses, and no revenue for him.

I did not know that he knew Warburg and Einstein too. Wasn't Warburg another Cabal family? And where did you find that piece of info? I haven't seen the videos yet, but sure will. Thanks for the links.

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 8:46pm
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@ Sensei - EMP

I am pretty sure that we have been pulsed to some degree quite a few times since 2009 already.

Completely unscientific, but since 2009, I get a "heart wobble disturbance" once in a while, and since we are in a conspiracy forum, I can say that the night, when the alleged radiation spike and massive rumble happened over and just south of the Great Lakes district in the US, we had a short but complete electrical outage here, where I live in Southern Europe. At the exact moment the electricity went, I got a particularly strong "heart wobble disturbance", so it was not just a brief controlled shot down of an electrical grid thingy. It was an external electrical impact of some kind.

Complete coincidence? Quite possibly and most likely! But if not, that indicates to me, that whatever went off in the US, it did not stay in the ground, but was likely to have been much higher above Earth in order for it to impact as far as here, if that is even possible.

In any case, I am sure that solar storms and related emp-pulses represents a much more real risk for us these days.

Keep up the good spirits, and thanks for the thread.

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 10:11pm
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@ Sense

Planet X I really never got into much but I think it may link up with bluebeam/bluebook, dis-information meant to fool the masses. Chemtrails contain nano-aluminum particles and can act like a mirror/screen for projection. Imagine the whole sky as one big movie screen.

PROJECT BLUE BEAM of NASA
BE NOT DECIEVED BY:The Great Deception - Project Blue Beam
project blue beam alien fake ufo holograms 2012.flv
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Holograms

Tupac Hologram Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre Perform Coachella Live 2012

Tupac Hologram Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre Perform Coachella Live 2012

I believe the current droughts are induced by haarp to destroy the food supply. Why, population reduction and to control the masses with food/water.

BTW, strange question, anyone rh-?

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 10:33pm
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rh- pailin and Bag of Gold so far,,

and I agree with you, just haven't been interested in fighting the brilliant school chaps. Minds will be blown and you will find yourself as a voice of reason. Edit: That is all that I can say right now. I did a secret behind the back handshake w/NASA.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKE3FSPJu-4

Tue, Jul 24, 2012 - 10:38pm Senseosensei
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I tried to listen to the whole 90 minutes. But c'mon man. Planet X is coming. It is too late to do anything about it. He says that there isn't even enough time to build a concrete rebar shelter just to try and survive. He also says that the Gulf Stream has stopped, and the UK has 120 days at most to prepare for a drastic climate shift.

Did I mention that this interview is a year old?

He states categorically that the Earth is changing its rotation, causing the sun to rise and set differently. Guess this years 'Sundown Days' in Hanlontown, Iowa should have been a bust.

He shoots holes in his own stories just by speaking them out loud, and then being disproved by the calendar.

Wed, Jul 25, 2012 - 1:21am
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More digging

This is what i found so far:

https://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/please-place-your-planet-x?id=3863141%3ABlogPost%3A488107&page=1#comments

And then this:

https://beforeitsnews.com/story/2202/727/Official_NASA_Photographs_Of_The_Nibiru_System_-

Tons of photo's and clips about it. Now i am not a skilled sky watcher so there is no way i can confirm any of these photo's. Anyone with the right skills to check these out, around?

And then this:

The South Pole Telescope (SPT)

In April 2006, Yowusa.com was the first to break the SPT story in the context of Planet X / Nibiru research.

Yowusa.com, 26-April-2006
South Pole Telescope (SPT) — America’s New Planet X Tracker

Now we have the corroboration we've lacked for years, The South Pole Telescope (SPT). Far more powerful capable and survivable than the 1983 IRAS spacecraft and Hubble Space Telescope put together, this manned observatory will soon begin tracking Planet X / Nibiru from the pristine skies of Antarctica.

Why is America spending a massive fortune to transport this massive facility with massive C-130 airlift to the most desolate, inhospitable and inaccessible region of the world to track this massive inbound? Because this is where astronomers will find their ultimate Kodak moment and this is good news. Their resulting multi-spectrum observations will translate into life-saving data.

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@dnlward: Yes time is short, no kiddin. 27 august is around the corner. Meanwhile the weather is a bitch, and 2011 had a record number of natural disasters. John Moore had a radio interview repeating it all 16-7-2012. Your point?

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Wed, Jul 25, 2012 - 3:17am Senseosensei
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My point?

My point is that he is wrong. By his own words, and a quick look at the date. Certainly you cannot be so obtuse as to not notice that. The Gulf Stream did not stop and cause England to freeze. He said it did.

Record number of disasters? Then why is 2012 not worse? Isn't the planet Zargon (or whatever) even closer now than it was then?

And chem trails are actually just a way to keep people from seeing that giant thing in the sky?

C'mon man!

Pole shifts are causing the sun to rise and fall in different places? Don't you think that millions of people would have noticed that?

This SPT started watching the sky five years ago. Still no pictures of the mystery planet? No life-saving data?

The best link on one of your posted websites is the one about Obamacare calling for all Americans to be chipped in 2013.

In any case, on the 28th of August you can post here and express regret for wasting my time. I'm more concerned with things that are actually possible, provable, and probable. Like, for instance, a breakdown in the global financial system causing significant dislocation and chaos. I'll check back in about a month for your posted regrets.

p.s. Got a nice chuckle to see your "map" was actually a dream of Edgar Cayce. According to him, New York City, California, and Japan should be gone by now, and the Second Coming should've happened four years ago.

Wed, Jul 25, 2012 - 3:30am
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dnlward

You are the one wasting everybody's time here. You didn't listen to the interview properly. The guy never said the gulf stream stopped entirely. He didn't say that the poles had already shifted. And he didn't say it would happen in 2011.

And i challenge you to add up all the hurricanes, earthquakes, odd weather conditions and the like for 2012. Moreover, i showed you the pictures. I cannot prove they are for real, ask your local astrophysicist.

If you are not convinced, fine with me. This data nor this theory is mine. I stumbled across this information 2 days ago, so if you feel like complaining give John a call.

And if you think this would be on the 8 o'clock news, you owe me an apology for wasting my time typing this answer.

Wed, Jul 25, 2012 - 11:56am Senseosensei
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RE: Gulf Stream

The Gulf Stream Has Stopped
By
John R. Moore
Copyright September 27, 2010

It's still the headline on his webpage.

See you in a month.

Wed, Jul 25, 2012 - 12:03pm
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My view is that HAARP is

My view is that HAARP is being used to melt the ice caps based on the resources there:

https://matzav.com/hillary-clinton-in-arctic-to-see-impact-of-climate-change

I have been watching the ice melt in the arctic and it is near or above the all time record amounts:

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Now today this link shows up where the icecap on Greenland is experiencing record melt:

https://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/24/greenland-ice-sheet-thaw-nasa#

I am not so worried about sea level changes with Greenland as it is just a very large island (the big deal is Antarctica), but it will have a permanent effect on our climate if the ice caps melt. Once melted, they will assume a new stable state and will not thereafter be a permanent feature, melting off each summer. Because of the loss of ice at the poles, there will not be as large a temperature difference between the poles and the equator. That will shift the subtropical high further north, and the paths of the cyclonic storms that bring area wide rains will also move further north. It will make for a hotter, dryer North America and may lead to desertification of a lot of farmland. That's what happened in North Africa as the ice sheets melted off Europe. Now we may see the same effect in North America, thanks to the effects of HAARP.

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