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Wed, Feb 26, 2020 - 9:07pm Island Teal
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Antihistamines

Hey Craig, do you know if anyone else, like Chris Martenson, has weighed in on the suggested OTC drugs to help with the "cytokine storm"? I spoke with a couple of medical professionals today that said it seemed to make sense but they were not experts. Although they opined that taking those drugs together wouldn't hurt.

Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 6:43am
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Feb26by Jon Rappoport

Feb26by Jon Rappoport

How to stage a fake epidemic (and brainwash billions of people)

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/02/26/how-to-stage-a-fake-epidemic-...

To use a technical term, this is all BULLSHIT. Understand? People in the locale of the “new case cluster” are falling ill and dying as a result of the actual pollution-causes I listed above. But the news takes a different slant: “Researchers from WHO and CDC state that a ‘mystery illness’ has emerged in City X, and they are working to discover the virus…”

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Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD. Inventor of Email Retweeted

Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD. Inventor of Email

#CornaVirus helps the Deep State in 3 ways: 1) Crash tUS economy 2) Advance forced vaccination 3) Suppress dissent A lot of idiots who know ZERO about the immune system are fueling this fear. The discussion SHOULD BE: what YOU do to strengthen your Immune Health w or w/o Corona.

Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD. Inventor of Email Retweeted

Donald J. Trump

@CNN

are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible. Likewise their incompetent Do Nothing Democrat comrades are all talk, no action. USA in great shape!

@CDCgov

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Here's the rub. The alt media is torn between polar opposite opinions on what's going on here and many not providing a complete rationale for their believes or considering the MANY pieces of the puzzle.

I lean toward Rappaports summary because I cannot come up with good rationale to argue his points. If I can't discredit something, than I have to give the rationale stronger credence.

I don't follow Chris Maartenson and don't know his track record but I see he is in the category that this is a clear and present danger but most of his commentary is behind a pay wall so I cannot find his rationale. I'm open to arguement.

All the people I've posted, Armstrong, Shiva, Rappaport all have given thorough rationale why this is bullshit including the cycles, diagnostic mishaps,political, the financial benefits of calling a pandemic. I don't see those issuing warnings of clear and present dangers addressing any of these facets.

1 million people died of influenza in 1968. We have 400 people sick in Italy.

If you check the CDC website, or if you don't trust that source, just search you local municipality, you'll find that we have widespread influenza in this country right now. My wifes friend is an ER Nurse and she said the Hospitals are at maximum capacity with influenza cases. Anybody worried about it? NOPE.

If Rappaport is right that the diagnostic tests are problematic, that there might be some diagnostic errors?

Some are suggesting like Dr. Shiva, that this is an attempt to bring a recession to take down Trump. Can you imagine such a thing? This would be the ultimate form of evil well beyond an unconstitutional impeachment, and fake dossiers. If you can't win an argument on it's merits and resort to this degree of treachery, you are absolute an evil son of a bitch.

While not everything Trump says can be taken literally, actually quite alot, I don't think he is an idiot to go on tv and try to calm the public, declare another attack. There is TOO MUCH at stake. Love or hate him, I don't think he is that stupid to take such a big gamble especially with the support we are seeing for Sanders.

And while I agree with the persuaders that Trump would clean the floor against any democratic candidate in a debate, FREE SHIT is so persuasive that it wins against any form of rhetorical excellence. FREE SHIT is at a pandemic phase. Try persuading a socialist that socialism is evil.

Trumps announcement that we almost have a vaccine ready...I wish he wouldn't have done that....did well for Big Pharma

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I also see the population here is very much divided on the benefits and legitimacy of alternative medicine some taking the statist viewpoint leaning toward pharmaceutical intervention which I am not against but not alot have done the research or have enough experience on the use of immune based botanical medicine to really have an opinion.

You don't have to be a Ph.D. Virologist to be able to read medical literature. You need to be able to think and not be intimidated by big terms, research the meaning of words and think for yourself.

So I'll leave it up to you whether you think that anti-histamines are adequate preparation to deal with a virus that can embed itself in your body until conditions are right. I encourage you to research the current lawsuits against these agents.

What you would do is examine the literature for what cytokines these agents fight and then look at the cytokine profile of the corona virus. We don't have the latter for the current version but we do for Sars/Corona virus.

Now you would do a search for the medical literature for those agents. I did it already and looked at their profile for what cytokines are handled by nexxium, Priolesec. Instead of a posting very complex medical studies that most won't read, I'll cut to the chase, it doesn't match.

Does that mean it won't provide some protection? I don't know. I'm not going to experiment on my love ones without at least anecdotal level evidence.

Basically, you are equipped to do the research and not rely on authorities. I asked several doctors, they don't know. Why? Because they didn't read the literature. Doctors aren't Gods. They dispense medication and diagnose based on the literature they are given in med school. Once they are in practice, not alot of them do research. That's YOUR job. It's your health.

I find myself informing my doctors as much or more than they inform me. I expect them to be able to take blood and read back to me the results.

Yesterday, I was in a pharmacy. 3 young people walked in and asked the pharmacists if they have the flu shot that will work for the Corona virus. Despite all the public information on the state of vaccines and POTUS giving a speech last night, the pharmacist didn't know and told them YES. They are basically paid robots to dispense the prescriptions doctors write.

I worked in Big Pharma for 20 years. I read the Journal of INfectious Disease and New England Journal of Medicine regularly which means I had more information than most physicians who didn't. And some don't like that you're more informed. They will double down!! That's the human condition. Not a medicial condition.

So unfortunately, the burden is on you to be the expert. It's not impossible.

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GL (oil of oregano) ...

Not too sure why you brought that up, but I'm glad you did. I started taking something about a month ago called "Oregacillin" It is oregano extract, sage extract, cumin extract, cinnamon oleoresin and ginger extract.

An odd thing has happened. I have a small lump on the side of my nose for many years. Non-cancerous. Just showed up years ago I thought ti was because the nose piece on my glasses was rubbing there. Has just sat there minding its own business. About 2 weeks ago, I noticed it started to shrink. It has now almost disappeared.

Similar situation on the back of my hand. 1/4" diameter lump has been there for well over a decade. Red, raised bump. Would often itch. A couple weeks ago, I noticed it didn't itch any more and I started paying more attention to it. A week ago, a scab formed. A couple days later, scab came off, lump is completely gone. You would never know it had ever been there. WTF?

These "defects" have been with me for many years. I start taking "Oregacillin" for a month and now gone.

Any thoughts, Dr. Lantern?

Wax off

Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 2:36pm
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Comments on this?

Dr. Drew Slams Coronavirus Coverage
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waxybilldupp wrote:

waxybilldupp wrote:

Not too sure why you brought that up, but I'm glad you did. I started taking something about a month ago called "Oregacillin" It is oregano extract, sage extract, cumin extract, cinnamon oleoresin and ginger extract.

An odd thing has happened. I have a small lump on the side of my nose for many years. Non-cancerous. Just showed up years ago I thought ti was because the nose piece on my glasses was rubbing there. Has just sat there minding its own business. About 2 weeks ago, I noticed it started to shrink. It has now almost disappeared.

Similar situation on the back of my hand. 1/4" diameter lump has been there for well over a decade. Red, raised bump. Would often itch. A couple weeks ago, I noticed it didn't itch any more and I started paying more attention to it. A week ago, a scab formed. A couple days later, scab came off, lump is completely gone. You would never know it had ever been there. WTF?

These "defects" have been with me for many years. I start taking "Oregacillin" for a month and now gone.

Any thoughts, Dr. Lantern?

Yeah, a couple of comments. I researched that product. I am all in. I'll buy me some. It has potent agents.

One capsule contains:

INGREDIENTSAMT%DVProprietary Blend:

450 mg-Wild Mountain-grown oregano extract powder (P73)--

Wild Mountain-grown sage extract powder--

Mountain-grown cumin extract powder--

Cinnamon oleoresin (CO2 extract)--

Ginger extract powder--

Here's my guess. You either had a viral growth or other type of growth (only four types I am aware of) but rather than get into what you had, the product has extreme anti-viral, anti-infective, and anti-tumor properties and it blew the shit out of it. (technically speaking )

I imagine when I mention essential oils, the first image in people's brains is their wife spraying some smell good on the pillow and spritzing some lavender and rose oil on their neck. POAH TANT MEDICINE. Not kiddie stuff.

The only oil I see is Cinammon. Co2 refers to the extraction method.

Back up everybody..... Lots of big words...that reduce to, this stuff will kill off the viruses on Putrefied Vampire Bat Deng

In numerous studies of antimicrobial activity, cinnamon EOs of various origins are used. EO of Cinnamomum zeylanicum displayed 100% inhibitory activity at 3.1 µL/mL concentration against influenza virus A1/Denver/1/57 (H1N1) with 30 min exposure. Eugenol, the major component of Cinnamomum zeylanicum EO, possessed the most potent anti-influenza activity in both liquid and vapour phases [35]. Brochot et al. investigated the antiviral activity of a blend that was composed of equal parts (3.52% each) of Eucalyptus globulus CT cineol (leaf) and Cinnamomum zeylanicum CT cinnamaldehyde (bark), 3.00% Rosmarinus officinalis CT cineol (leaf), 1.04% Daucus carota CT carotol (seed), and 88.90% Camelina sativa oil (seed). This blend significantly reduced viral units of H1N1 and HSV1. For both viruses, a reduction greater than 99% was observed with 1% blend and 60-min contact time [71]. Intorasoot et al. [72] and Feng et al. [73] carried out studies involving EO from the bark of C. zeylanicum, which is rich in cinnamic aldehyde. They showed that the EO has a better effect compared to other EOs used (including clove EO, lemongrass, tea tree, ginger, basil), with very good activity against S. aureus, E. coli, A. baumannii, and P. aeruginosa [74], and even better activity than the antibiotic against B. burgdorferi [73]. Cinnamon EO can cause destruction of bacterial cell membranes [74]. Furthermore, the antimicrobial activity of cinnamaldehyde against S. aureus has been previously confirmed by Ferro [75]. In a study carried out by Aumeerudda-Elalfi et al. [76], C. zeylanicum EO from leaves was used. The experiment indicated better antimicrobial activity than antibiotics (ampicillin, chloramphenicol, tetracycline) against E. faecalis, E. coli, P. auerginosa, and S. aureus

The researchers tested the extracts against Phi X, a virus that infects bacteria and has many similarities to viruses that infect animals and humans. An extract containing 10 percent cinnamon deactivated 99.9 percent to 100 percent of the virus after only 10 minutes of intermittent mixing. The results were observed after 24 hours of incubation.

You could go on all day. That's just the Cinammon Co2 extract.

I'll skip the Oregano P73 because I see people are already familiar with it.

Sage is some sort of miracle drug that still has mysterious properties that has been used since humans walked on all fours.

I assume it is referring to Salvia Offinalis.

https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/sage/profile?utm_source=adwor...

Not the white sage native americans burn to keep away the evil spirits. Don't eat that stuff.

I often will take an herb alone for a while to become friends with it and acquaint myself to it. That's how alot of herbalist get first hand knowledge. 1st thing it did was make me dream. So I had to research the properties that all of a sudden I was remembering all my dreams in color. So like a few other "magical" herbs that have other benefits besides physical, it's a regular Joseph and the Dreamcoat kind of agent. I also sprinkle it in soups and stews along with Thyme. Rosemary, Sage and Thyme. Such innocent words. Those are Three POWERHOUSE medicines!!!

so without belaboring the point, if you do a search, you'll find antiviral, anti-infective and anti-tumor properties in all these agents.

Ginger is level one protocol for any oncoming infection. Lots of it. I juice it according to Buhners protocols. And I posted my home made tincture in a very mild 190 proof grain alcholol. I like to give it to guests when they come over with a little cayenne tincture and watch their reactions.

Cumin...I had posted something about Black Cumin oil months back on the alternative health forum. Tastes like SHIT. I prefer munching on my dirty socks but you can get it encapsulated. They take it for everything. The seeds. It's all about the seeds. Mustard Seeds, Cumin Seeds are potent medicine.

Between Elderberries which has very strong anti-viral properties (we're talking prophalaxis-preventative healthcare)

you got your own hazmut suit in a pill. It's a different story once you contact a virus, you simply need more to take care of the multitude of tricks virus plays on your body. The older you get and the more immunocompromised, you need to combine agents. But you can make your own homemade Elderberry cough syrup which is better than store bought shit w/some honey and some booze as a preservative. You're pretty much boosted your immune system and shouldn't be in panic especially when we don't even know what people are being diagnosed with. IMO, Rappoport is knocking it out of the ball park.

The other benefit of a formula like this is you don't have to go out and buy individual parts and put it in capsules like I do. It's already done for you. Kind of like a tv dinner. No cooking tonite kids.

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Guy Fawkes wrote:

Guy Fawkes wrote:

Yes. Totally on point

Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:26pm
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29 million people with the

29 million people with the flu.

WIDESPREAD BREAKOUT in all but two states and DC.

16,000 HUMANS DEAD

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/us-flu-cases-reach-29-million-have-we...

All the same stuff will work....

Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 5:33pm Green Lantern
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GL (Oregacillin) reply ...

Thank you very much Dr. Lantern. (That's praise! Not being cynical.) When you jump in, you dive deep. Your reply is why this blog is worth many times the price. Hadn't thought about those two "defects" being viral, but I'm pretty sure you nailed it. Gives me hope about getting my tired old body in black-belt anti-viral fighting condition. As I've been telling my wife ever since we've (mostly me) been prepping to deal with whatever CV throws at us, the first line of defense is a kick-ass immune system followed by some defensive options (very few available) like colloidal silver. As a social security dole geezer with asthma (never smoked), I have concerns about dealing with this crap.

With the larder well stocked, if all I have to do is putter in the garden all summer, I'm OK with that. My biggest concern is how to keep things under control with the kids I used to have. They have to work and be out and about and do not have the financial and logistical resources to purchase and store all the supplies I have stocked over the years. Recent additions have been significant. Seems like all I have been doing for the last 6 weeks is inventory management.

Thanks again .... wax off

Wax off

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waxybilldupp wrote:

waxybilldupp wrote:

Thank you very much Dr. Lantern. (That's praise! Not being cynical.) When you jump in, you dive deep. Your reply is why this blog is worth many times the price. Hadn't thought about those two "defects" being viral, but I'm pretty sure you nailed it. Gives me hope about getting my tired old body in black-belt anti-viral fighting condition. As I've been telling my wife ever since we've (mostly me) been prepping to deal with whatever CV throws at us, the first line of defense is a kick-ass immune system followed by some defensive options (very few available) like colloidal silver. As a social security dole geezer with asthma (never smoked), I have concerns about dealing with this crap.

With the larder well stocked, if all I have to do is putter in the garden all summer, I'm OK with that. My biggest concern is how to keep things under control with the kids I used to have. They have to work and be out and about and do not have the financial and logistical resources to purchase and store all the supplies I have stocked over the years. Recent additions have been significant. Seems like all I have been doing for the last 6 weeks is inventory management.

Thanks again .... wax off

Waxy, you're an all around good man!! You can usually tell these things. One of the best I met on this forum. But I digress from the subject matter. The truth is that aging is our biggest foe and at the end of the day, no matter what happens with corona virus, if it takes something for people to look deeper at their health, the health system, taking care of themselves and approaching it in a different way than they did before, no waste in doing it over Corona virus, Ebola or whatever comes next.

People are usually most motivated to deal with something when they fear that their mortality is at risk. Me too. I just happen to find botanical medicine an amazing journey. I was hypnotized by plant medicine over 30 years ago.

In the words of Mr. Fix, the system and media is filled with lying
sacks of shit." I don't know if he said that but it rhymes with his style. Every story is an opportunity to hone your smell skills because things are never the way most people perceive them.

As for preppin' for your children....I'm sure as a responsible father, informed human being, you'll do just fine. I was a bit worried that local government would quarantine me since my wife returned from China. I'd go full out buggy if that had happened. So I prepped for that just in case. Besides a fridge full of delicious food, no rice and beans, I prepped man things for me and lady things for the wife. Of course, these things aren't absolutely necessary but I tell the lady, we must have them.

I needed to find a way to entertain the lady, and not bug me while I was trading or working on charts. Entertainment is an often neglected prep.

For the wifey, I watched this young girls channel and purchased 3 1000 piece jigsaw puzzles.

Jigsaw Puzzle Review: Ravensburger 1000 Piece Puzzles

Mission a success. She loves doing them. She keeps out of my hair and she can spend an entire day putting these things together. Woo Woo!!

What a charming young lady.

Second, I discovered in my old age that they invented LED flashlights. Why didn't anybody tell me?

I bought a bunch incase of another power grid failure? (Lie)

I bought a bunch because a man likes to be a man. (Truth)

Nitecore "New P12" (1200 Lumens) - Preparedmind101

So many interesting prep channels with so many cool toys.

Since I don't watch tv, and tired of social media, outside of trading, every man needs a good radio, if not a 1/2 dozen short wave radio's because a man can't survive on herbs alone.

AM/FM/Shortwave/airport weather frequencies/weather channels/ham raido.

Eton Elite Executive AM FM LW SW SSB AIR Band Radio Review

Sure, a good radio is useful in case of a blackout or a SHTF scenario. But let's be honest, they are great toys for entertainment and for those who are a bit nostalgic, hours of fun when you want to dumb down. Wifey finds no intrinsic value when at 3 am in the morning I yell.... Hey I got Air Poland on Short wave radio...

Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 7:47pm
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Take your masks off when oil

Take your masks off when oil and natural gas goes up.

N95 masks were designed so you wouldn't suck dust.

Stop being scared, and be more curious.

Read more Mark Twain and less Zero Hedge.

I don't need you... to me.

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My new favorite social media personality.

Probably because he is no nonsense New Yorker. Plays by his own rules. Not scared to tell it as he see's it. Cuts through the bullshit.

Epsilon theory, Hunt, might have destroyed himself...

Trump is alot of things but HE never toed the Chinese line. That's just BS.

He Got too cutsie....I think Cernovich, Styx took the bait. Good guys nonetheless. Every man can be fooled. .... Hypnosis around every corner.

I'd do a youtube everyday, if I could do it in my t shirt and underwear and figure out a way to get my wife to stop yelling at me to not walk in the house with my shoes on.

New Yorkers don't like bullshit. Maybe every American needs to live in NYC at least once.

He ain't scared to be tough and be into spiritual things nobody else is interested in or even heard about.

How do I know I like somebody? Because they say things that I wished I had thought of first.

Adam Townsend

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Problem with 'New Right" = lives in fortresses made of sand. It embraces Greta'opian Coronavirus nonsense that nomies know is crackpot gerrymandering. If it had authenticity (rather than reaction hot takes) it would be wildly successful. But it's not...

6:27 PM · Feb 27, 2020·Twitter for Android

Adam Townsend

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The new Right has died, a tragic victim of the Coronavirus.

Adam Townsend

@adamscrabble

I've been to China +/-20 times, visited all of rust belt, can speak of its trade better than most. People screaming devastation! have been screaming devastation! for decades. See David Stockman

Quote Tweet

Adam Townsend

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1. Nuke Beijing 2. Arrest WHO execs for collaborating ???

Adam Townsend

If Coronavirus is so bad, it was an act of war by China, we should nuke Beijing?

He doesn't want to nuke Beijing. Don't be so literal.

vs this

@Cernovich

I hate to be a dick when talking about coronavirus but this is (potentially) the biggest crisis we’ve faced in decades and I don’t have time for morons who can’t run basic mathematical calculations.

Ok, somebody is going to be right and somebody is going to be wrong. Call me old fashion, but I need fucking reasons. Give me the math. I'll listen. Hard to tell whose the dick? My wife travelled through China in a homemade hazmut suit and was singing when she arrived in America. Cernovich just gotta find the next post to keep his readers interested.

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I say 1/2 the things I think. I don't want to be beholden to nobody elses sense of values. AMEN!!!

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Thank you everyone...

...for this discussion. GL, it has been a while since I have been hanging on every word of your posts. If you and Mrs. Lantern need to get out of the city, you know how to reach me. You are always welcome at the farm.
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duplicate

repeat

Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:16am
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Great stuff!!

Great stuff!!

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My speculation:

My speculation:

Controlling the spread won't work. At some point the cost or burden is too much and we all go on about our lives nearly as we do with the flus we experience today. I expect we reach that point by July if the virus hasn't slowed or science hasn't an answer. By fall it's not a news item unless mentioned when a celebrity dies from it.

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Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:39am
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This is but one of the

This is but one of the varaieties I am cultivating in the woods this year

  • Strengthen immune system
  • Improve cognitive function
  • Treat anxiety
  • Treat depression
  • Treat high cholesterol
  • Stimulate synthesis of (NGF) Nerve Growth Factor
  • Treat cancer
  • For antioxidant effect
  • Treat arthritis
  • Regulate blood pressure
  • Treat inflammation
  • Treat dementia
  • increase intelligence
  • Improve reflexes
  • Fight infections
  • Promote longevity
  • Treat Parkinson’s disease
  • Rejuvenate nerve growth
  • Promote a healthy digestive system
  • Regulate blood sugar levels
  • Treat Alzheimer’s disease
  • Eliminate toxins in the body
  • Treat ulcers
  • Treat arthritis
  • Improve memory

https://realfarmacy.com/anxiety-depression-mushroom/

Lion's Mane Mushroom Culture Syringe

https://www.mushrooms.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=79

Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:53am
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@ag1969

You are on the correct track for health. We have several of these mushrooms, on our shelves at home. We buy from Host Defense and have read the great healing qualities. If you see a tent in your woods, by those mushrooms, it may be us. Jim

NW VIEW >>>1 Cor. 1:18
Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:40pm
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Lions Mane

Mushrooms are wild!!

Great job AG1969. Thanks for sending me down this rabbit hole years ago.

I'm fully stocked in a variety of specimens.

Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:52pm
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Those were good times....

Those were good times....

de-ja vous huh?

Any final comments on immunity and Corona now that the cat is out of the hat?

I have a feeling this forum is going to be filed in the Dead Forum Yard along with dozens of others.


I enjoyed the robust discussion

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OK GL

So it certainly fits a pattern. I don't know. I agree with you that colloidal silver is a medicinal and not a daily health supplement. I agree with you that mushrooms are amazing and have done some really cool research in that direction.

Here is my take on covid 19

1) Don't panic, you live forever.

2) Eat for nutrition, not comfort

3) Do not fight disease, nurture your immune system and let it do its job.

Jim, I suspect the guest bedroom might be more comfortable for a man in your chronological situation. I will give you the damn mushrooms.

Cheers Turdville! EVerything is going to be OK!

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