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Sat, Mar 26, 2016 - 2:02pm silver66
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Silver66.................

I have seen some video and photographic images of these discoveries a while back and the ones you posted are far superior. To see the presentation would be awesome. Thanks for sharing the link.

Sat, Mar 26, 2016 - 8:13pm
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I.R.B. headed his post with this - -

“All art is propaganda. It is universally and inescapably propaganda; sometimes unconsciously, but often deliberately, propaganda.”
Upton Sinclair

Classic I.R.B. style, trying to nudge the reader into the outer limits of perception.

Upton Sinclair is known for some good quotes but the above isn't one of them in my opinion.

For example is this child's art propaganda?

I don't think so > It is more like self expression of an intuitive, imaginary nature. If we assume that all art is propaganda then we have to accept that everything is propaganda.

Propaganda is generally perceived to be willful, politically motivated deception, specifically designed to make the people collectivist and obedient.

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Sat, Mar 26, 2016 - 8:49pm
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" Propaganda is generally perceived to be willful, politically motivated deception,"

Coulda stopped there, maybe?

specifically designed to make the people collectivist and obedient. "

That's propaganda. Premised on, and leaving no room for debate, that 'collectivist' is inherently and in all cases less desirable than the alternative. One could argue that collectivism beats individualism every time. That our rulers rule us precisely because they exhibit multi-generational in-group preference.

Look at much of the US activity with 'color revolutions' and the 'arab spring'. Plenty propaganda. The soros affiliated, tax funded 'democracy and gay rights' NGO's operating (up until recently - Go go Vladmir - he kicked them out!) in Russia. Designed to destabilize the state and de-legitimize the Orthodox culture supported by 90%ish of the people with an injection of Pussy Riot/ Voina style individuality. Propaganda, certainly, but of the Western, 'primacy of individualism' , 'do as thou wilt' sort.

But I agree with you now on the Sinclair quote, anyway. Don't ever let it be said I won't change my mind here.

Sat, Mar 26, 2016 - 9:35pm
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individualism and collectivism

The age old battle between individualism and collectivism is about to slip into collective overdrive. Of course one needs the other. Without the individual, entropy soon erodes the collective and without the collective, the genius of the individual is not exploited to it's full potential.

The evolutionary or natural law that underlies events is fiendishly clever.

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Sat, Mar 26, 2016 - 9:50pm
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and speaking of pussy riot

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7cf_1442128973

Muzzie event in France - topics include 'should wives be beaten'

Click link and press continue if you are 18 or over (and like to see boobs)

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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 - 7:04am
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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 - 8:16am
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Local Politics

Big Tech is supporting a new 'rioter-in-chief'. They want the lead rioter made Mayor. Thing is, even his riot incitement doesn't give as much street cred as having done time for a felony conviction. So he'll probably lose to the former Mayor, and convicted felon.

https://fortune.com/2016/03/26/netflix-twitter-black-lives-matter/

"Netflix CEO Reed Hastings and Twitter Executive Chairman Omid Kordestani have each donated $6,000 to the Baltimore mayoral campaign of DeRay Mckesson, perhaps the most prominent voice to emerge out of the Black Lives Matter movement. The donations came to light in campaign finance documents which were highlighted by Digital Trends. ... He first rose to prominence in 2014, when he began live-tweeting events in Furgeson, Missouri following the police shooting of 18 year old Michael Brown. ... Silicon Valley has a widely-discussed and continuing diversity problem. Support for minority influencers like McKesson could help shore up those shortcomings, at least from a PR perspective."

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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2009/12/baltimore_mayor_convicte...

Baltimore Mayor Sheila Dixon was convicted Tuesday by a jury on a single charge of taking gift cards intended for poor persons.

The conviction means Dixon, Baltimore's first woman mayor, is required to vacate her office. She would be temporarily replaced by City Council President Stephanie Rawlings-Blake.

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Heavily medicated Rawlings Blake, who they are running to replace, of 'give them space to destroy' fame:

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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 - 11:05am
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Collectivism versus individualism

Atarangi, hold your ground!

You're absolutely correct that all propaganda is designed to eviscerate individual liberty, in favor of collectivism.

I Run Bartertown, I adamantly refute your hypothesis that collectivism is ever preferable to individual rights.

Morality is an individual judgment call, as soon as it is collectivized, preservation of the organization becomes the goal, and morality gets dumped by the wayside. Can you site in example of where this is not true?

Time and time again, we hear politicians spouting the official version of things, that always ends "for the good of society".

In the meantime, individual liberty is not even a topic for discussion anymore.

By definition, advocating for individual liberty is never a propaganda. You're advocating for free will, which is everyone's birthright, and is never an imposition on anyone.

I have no problem with free, and sovereign individuals freely associating with each other for shared goals. But that is not what collectivism is.

With collectivism, you are either part of the club, or you are considered an outcast, or worse, a criminal.

I challenge you to cite me an example where a forced collective has ever done any good for mankind. Any society that creates rules and regulations for the good of society, always enforces them under threat of violence.

Since it is always morally reprehensible to incite violence against others for any reason, they are always wrong.

Yes, I'm making blanket statements here, without exceptions.

In that relatively famous quote buy by Huxley,"Do what thou Wilt"," Wilt was originally capitalized for a very specific reason.

It specifically refers to a higher calling, or loosely translated, "We are all here for a purpose." Individual efforts have always enhanced mankind, while collectives have always had the polar opposite effect. Can you cite any collective inventions? Does herd mentality ever advance the individual? Do group rights ever do anything other then take away individual rights?

"Do what thou Wilt" specifically means that you can do what you want, as long as it doesn't infringe upon anyone else's rights to do exactly the same. Keeping others from doing what they want to do, when they aren't hurting anyone, is in itself a crime.

Anytime you see yourself as a member of a group, you lose your individual identity, and separate yourself from the rest of humanity.

Once upon a time, it was argued that the only legitimate purpose for government was to protect individual rights. Well, I actually am refuting that concept as well. Protecting your rights is an individual responsibility, and by delegating anything to a higher authority, or even accepting the premise that there can ever be a legitimate higher authority, you've relinquished your rights as an individual.

Since government can't even exist without forcibly extracting wealth from its citizens, it is a criminal organization from the get-go.

If hypothetically, free people voluntarily contributed to a common cause, that is perfectly acceptable, as well as desirable. You should always have the right to refuse to participate, and defend your right to simply be left alone if that's what you choose.

Collectivism versus individualism? Properly defined, they cannot coexist.

You think there are exceptions? Name them.

There's no such thing.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Sun, Mar 27, 2016 - 11:14am
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Collectivism versus individualism

Collectivism is always, and without exception evil.

Defending the individual right to be an individual, it is always, and without exception the right thing to do.

As long as you're following the golden rule, not only are no others needed, adding any others, is a crime against humanity.

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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 - 12:06pm
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It is now official, your votes don't matter at all.

My wife likes watching the Sunday news, and actually paused a segment on Fox news Sunday for me to hear.

In a discussion about the RNC taking away the nomination from Trump, a girl named Kiersten Powers actually laughted off the notion that our votes have any say in who runs for president.

According to Alex Jones, similar comments were made on every network today.

As some of you might have noticed, I've been using the statement "If voting mattered at all, it would be illegal" for years now.

It sounds like the truth is just being revealed to the masses.

Interesting.

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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 - 12:40pm
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Spring has sprung.

As we celebrate the traditional pagan holiday of the rebirth of nature here in the northern hemisphere, I will even acknowledge the contrived holiday that the Vatican invented surrounding the rebirth of a man.

Best wishes to all today, and I really hope you enjoy your family and friends today.

I found a fairly convincing argument by Kit Daniels today expressing why what Jesus Christ taught is completely incompatible with socialism.

I liked it, so I share it with you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ILTSP49tA

Happy Easter.

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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 - 3:23pm
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Bernie is speaking to the waking masses

The parasites that are destroying America are ducking for cover big time. They know they are about to get a big dose of worming medication. Between Sanders, Trump and the waking middle class, this is huge and will save the country from certain ruin.

Sanders proposes full reversal of US policy in the Middle East

Sanders Outlines Middle East Policy

Senator Bernie Sanders has made a historic speech about relations with Israel, Palestinians, Iran, Russia and the whole Middle Eastern situation.

The speech contains the more detailed, concrete and comprehensive alternative ever presented to the policy Washington is following in the Middle East after September 11th, under the influence of the Neoconservatives. Among other things, Sanders is proposing to pay attention to the rights of the Palestinian people and to work closely with Moscow and moderates in Teheran, in order to find a peaceful, stabilizing way out of the extremely dangerous situation prevailing now in the Middle East.

But the speech may prove to be historic for another reason also. In Syria, US and Russia try to find a way out of an extremely dangerous situation. In the same time, both the refugee crisis and the terror attacks show clearly how deeply the crisis in the Middle East can affect western societies and western political systems (if not “used” to affect them). President Obama himself, on various occasions, is speaking now, more and more openly, about the policy Neoconservatives imposed on Washington, adopting a tone reminding, to some analysts, President Eisenhower, who, upon leaving the White House, warned his nation about the dangers emanating from the influence of the US military-industrial complex on the government. Successive revelations about the efforts of some US military to save Assad or Clinton’s role in the Libyan and Syrian campaigns are also an indication of serious infighting in the US and international establishment about the policy to be adopted. In such a context, it seems that what Sen. Sanders has said with a loud voice is representing the opinions of a much larger groups, both in US society and inside the establishment. https://www.intifada-palestine.com/2016/03/sanders-proposes-full-reversal-us-policy-middle-east/

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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 - 3:52pm
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fire burn and cauldron bubble

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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 - 10:15pm Wy So Lo
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Wy So Lo wrote:Is this

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Is this propaganda https://youtu.be/m3lF2qEA2cw GL and musicians alike ,I like hard rock and the origional but is this amazing or am i losing it.??

Is there anything that you picked up that is misleading in any way? I don't see it.

I'm not much of a hard rock, punk rock guy other than classic rock aka old people's rock. Heard the name Radio Head but that's about it. My favorite rock bands are the Hairy Toes, Bended Fenders, and Ouzzing Pustules.

The big music conglomerates such as Sony and similar of that ilk are dying. You've noticed there are no more cd or record stores? Except used or nostalgia places. No Tower Records, No Virigin Records, and places like Barnes and Noble have a little corner in the back of the store.

For some reason, the industry has been pushing this fad of singers putting out songs reminiscent of the crooners of the 40's like Frank Sinatra types or Anita O'day types like the one you posted. Lady Gaga singing with Tony Bennett. Michael Buble, ,pretty boys in a suit who think they are jazz singers. He's ok, not my thing.

Here's another one, same template. That pop song it's all about that base redone jazz. The drummer is cool.

All About That [Upright] Bass - Meghan Trainor Cover PMJ ft. Kate Davis

Then the industry was doing the reverse. Old style crooners playing hard rock songs in their crooner style.

I don't know how many did Kurt Cobain. But nothing can compare to Put Your Head on My Shoulders Paul Anka really rockin' it hard with Smells Like Teen Spirit.

Paul Anka - Smells Like Teen Spirits

What I think is going on here? Some market analytic suits are charged with trying to get a broad demographic interested in an artist, so some number nerd gets called into the CEO's office and tells him we need the young kids singing jazz and the old guys singing some of that punk stuff. Is it art? It's very stylistic, in a box, not very adventurous or anything that will be get talked about as a sample of "fine art" But if you like it, then enjoy it. I don't see any sign of brainwashing.

Music as propoganda and to effect the psyche has been used throughout history. And as a tool of war. Hitler, Mao, Pinochet, and it's being used today in a different way that's less overt. Since I don't listen to music on the radio, I'm not exposed to it unless it comes in my face through the internet. Beyonce and Jay Z are two of my favorite.

Sun, Mar 27, 2016 - 11:32pm Green Lantern
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Yea

Thats pretty much how i see it. I have to admit that i have a weakness for attractive vibrant female singers.

Mon, Mar 28, 2016 - 3:19am
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Wy So Lo

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Mon, Mar 28, 2016 - 4:07am
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more music

Suzanne Vega: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Wy So Lo > gives it a go > (almost got it right?)

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