Jj, I am carefully examining all the evidence posted and prayerfully seeking Gods guidance. I tend to chew over things that change a preexisting paradigm held for so long. You and others have done a great job of teaching and fleshing out your thoughts/beliefs.
I am pretty well convinced of America being Babylon the great. I have read quite a few books and conversed with people (that I have great respect) about end times and have had many questions that were never answered to my satisfaction. PHD's and other academics have spent decades invested in their current world view and are probably going to take longer to come around.
For one, if end times are near why is America left out of prophecy? Until recently we were arguably the only nation that seemingly took Israel side. In post Christian America things have quickly, right before our eyes changed. (especially if we have watched the news in recent weeks). Your explanation of America as Babylon the Great has resolved this issue for me. I have heard other explanations to do with natural disasters, war etc. but none measured up for me, especially if the end is truly near. Nothing made sense when viewed through scripture. I concur that if we collapsed today the rest of the world would follow right along. The global economy cuts both ways.
I'm on my out the door for the weekend but look forward to more communication. Also I think you did a great job of supporting your views with scripture in context without having relying on stretching,twisting the word. You have a gift supported by lots of work.
Thanks for the reply, it is hard Truth to come grips with, it is, America's identity in scripture, as I have posted, when the Lord showed me who we were,25+ years ago, after lengthy study. I sat on the floor and wept uncontrollably like a little child.
After Israel, when you see this piece of the prophetic puzzle, many other pieces come into focus. Think America is ugly now?? ... just wait and all doubt will soon be removed.
I really don't have it all figured out, just see many pieces of the puzzle aright. If you have any questions, I will do my best to try to answer them.
Have a great weekend.
"What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it." Isaiah 14:32
Nana sent me this video and asked my take on it. I had seen this program and panel advertised but do not get TBN, so I could not watch it live or even the rebroadcast of it.
I have heard Perry Stone speak live several times; have conversed with Salas via emails, read Cahn’s books and also Blitz’s. I have no doubt these men are believers and sincere, and would recommend all interested in this topic, the Christian Prophetic Scriptures, to watch the video. There is a lot of good points made and material therein. No doubt.
Cahn makes many great points about the ‘Shemitah’, many will say or contend that ‘The Law’ of the OT has been done away with the Cross of Christ and the New Covenant, including the ‘Shemitah’ that Chan speaks about.
That statement is interesting, yet needs qualification, ‘The OT Law’ has been done away with, along with its condemnation, and penalty, yet only for the believers in Jesus Christ, and it was nailed to the Cross. However, however, if one is an unbeliever, one is still under ‘The Law’ and its requirements. “The Law’, the ‘Moral Law’ is still active and in place for those that do not believe in Christ…. Including the Smetiah.
Good luck with that. If that is what, indeed, you are pinning your hopes to, External obedience.
Loved the video but one thing still troubles me… none of these ‘scholars’ can’t, won’t, or are unable to see America in Bible prophecy correctly or speak up against her… why is that????????????????
Please, please…… someone in leadership please step up and tell the Truth.
Perry and the others mentioned ‘Blindness’ as a judgment of the Lord. Blindness is prevalent and yet these dedicated pastors yet can’t see America in Bible Prophecy…… why is that Lord?…. why?………
Makes me wonder….. Am I in error?
We all best go back to the Word……
IMO, this video could have been 30 minutes if you trim out the fat.
Agree with Perry near the end, Christians are being slaughtered worldwide; we all need to pray for them.
Persecution is coming even to us in America; we all best get ready for it.
Thanks Nana, Great video.
Saw this posted on MS today by Safety Dan, kudos SD.
I have posted extensively on this in the ‘Old Zionism’ thread.
What to make of this and its interpretation is clear imo. Those familiar with Isaiah 14 will know this chapter is addressing Lucifer and the final antichrist, the King of Babylon. (Isaiah 14:4)
“Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people:” Isaiah 14:20a
Safety Dan’s Post……….
USA: FEMA-Camps + 1,6 billion bullets
What is FEMA?
FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) is considered to be the most powerful institute in the United States, it has more power than the President of the USA or the Congress, it has the power to turn the United States into a police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis.
More info: FEMA
The "Secret Government"
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Logo of FEMA - (PACE AC BELLO MERITA means).......... 'Peace and also war are just'
FEMA is often referred to as the secret government of the United States. It's a non-elected body with a secret budget in the billions of dollars. Because it does not involve itself in public disclosures hardly anyone knows about this organization, yet it's the most powerful entity in the U.S.
FEMA has the power to take complete control over the United States, it can perform the following actions:
There are over 800 empty concentration camps in the U.S., all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. The purpose of these camps is unknown and only a few people know of their existence.
The camps are all manned and even surrounded by full-time guards. These camps are to be operated by FEMA should Martial Law need to be implemented in the U.S. and all it would take is a presidential pen on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached.
Search Google Earth: Fema Dention Camps
Posting this may just land me in one of these camps, yet this image just about sums it up……..
See. I took the trouble to actually spell your name right.
And I know because I didn't do it right first. And the pain continues.
I am not sure what message you are trying to convey. Help me here.
FEMA is bugabuga with lots of bullets. I get it.
You have no pain anywhere in the USA. None.
Why are the residents actively subscribing to this? if they are?
"You have no pain anywhere in the USA. None."
Just wait, it's coming. worse than you can imagine.
Think they are militarizing this country for nothing?
Not sure what to make of that rant....
Agree 100% with you on the Jews. 'Best not to mess with them as you put it.'
I am not a racist, hold no grudges against anyone regarding skin color or ethnic background.
Just commenting on the current prophetic landscape from a scriptural perspective here.
If you care at all, go back to this thread and start reading. If not, no worries.
Israel is the Lord's time clock for the end of this age.
Was sent this article for review by a friend and dear Sister in Christ that was posted on the ‘Rapture Ready’ website. For Christians’ reading in you may recognize the site and and I must admit, I loved the article. Seems even the ‘slumbering giants’ in Christendom are awakening to the fact that all is not right in the mainline interpretation of the Prophetic scripture as to who is just who, is who in Biblical Prophecy…… I am encouraged… it’s about time……
From the article below; …….
“I think it is time to reconsider whether it has been America the whole time that this prophecy references.”………
“I know I'll be in trouble with the seminary types, but, based upon evidence in view and Scripture, I have to be open minded to the possibility that we are living in that mysterious place whose chief, doomed, city is called Babylon the Great”
Jj comment; Terry, respectfully, you are seeing it aright, it’s us……. Just read the scripture and take it literally; no interpretation required, don’t tiptoe around it …… just tell the truth, who cares what the ‘seminary types’ really have to say….. Just tell the Truth. It’s us. We can take it.
On to the article;…….. (bottom one)
Rethinking Babylon the Great
The hour is late, according to practically every biblically prophetic indicator. Most every geographic region, and in many cases specific nations, are coming into sharper focus in lining up for prophetic fulfillment.
The Gog-Magog coalition (Russia, Iran, Turkey, etc.), China as king of the kings of the east, and, of course, Israel, all stand poised as if on some strange starting line. These are like tense athletes ready to launch into full competition, yet they stand at that starting line, with tremendous tension building, as if awaiting the starter's pistol to fire. When it fires, it will be a deadly competition that will end at Armageddon.
That seven-year course of murderous interaction leading up to the finish line seems as near as the next major crisis. The Tribulation could begin at any time, it seems. Only the lack of a peace agreement with Israel at its center stands as somewhat of a time constraint, preventing Daniel's seventieth week from initiating.
All of that said, it is more than just odd that end-times Babylon of Revelation 18 is nowhere to be seen. Babylon--the ancient place in Iraq where the great city once stood--is there, of course, but, rather than being built as we thought when Saddam Hussein began a small restoration project on the site, it is, in fact, now being threatened by ISIS. That horde has already destroyed much of the antiquities near the site, with no apparent force to stop them.
It could be, of course, that the fulfillment of the final prophecies involving this region is far off yet. However, the Lord, I'm convinced, is telling those who are paying attention that all of these things are on the very cusp of fulfillment, not somewhere in the distant future.
There must be a land (nation) and a city of unprecedented power, influence, and opulence on the scene by the end of that prophesied seven years to wrap up history prior to Christ's Second Advent.
I've read Mark Hitchcock's book on the topic, as well as a number of other books on the subject of the city known as Babylon the Great. Most have it that the city will be quickly built with modern building methodologies and equipment. This, to me, is becoming less likely every day.
Yet that nation and city must be there before Christ's return, as given in Revelation chapter 18 and other places. There is nothing "spiritual" about the prophecy. The land and the city will be "literally" destroyed in an hour, the prophecy says. To me it is doubtful that building such a city of great opulence and influence could be accomplished during the Tribulation--as the tremendous geophysical destruction from God's judgment and wrath, it seems logical, will make such construction prohibitive.
The one factor that is a big unknown is the amount of time that will elapse between the Rapture of the church and the signing of the covenant that will initiate the seven years of Tribulation. If this is an extensive period of years, it is possible, perhaps, for a city such as given in Revelation chapter 18 to be constructed. Still, logic dictates that it would take a very long period to have the merchants of the earth grow rich from the delicacies that Babylon the great will offer.
I think it is time to reconsider whether it has been America the whole time that this prophecy references.
Despite every economic and other problem that has been thrown at America--even with the most destructive (purposefully, I'm convinced) president in its history--America stands far above the rest, $18.5 trillion deficit and all. Like the earlier prophecy says about that ancient city and land (Jeremiah 51:7), America has been a "golden cup" in the hand of God--i.e., this nation has seen to it that the gospel has been disseminated to the world. It has served as midwife in the rebirth of Israel into modernity, and has acted as its earthly protector (realizing, of course, that God, Himself, is its ultimate protector).
Sadly, however, America has also become--like that doomed land and city--the most sinful in all of mankind's history. Like it or not, the United States fits the model, and there seems no such other that has even the most remote chance of one day fitting the model, if we are talking about a relatively near-term fulfillment of the prophecy in which Babylon the Great is involved.
Let us think a bit more about this nation that alone fits the description of the region in which resides Babylon the Great. The United States stands at the center of the world, whether the other nation-states of the planet acknowledge or deny the fact. America is the envy of the world community for the materialistic good she possesses and produces, thus giving her great wealth and great power. It seems the globalist elitists of that world community are determined to do incrementally what they can’t do any other way short of all-out nuclear war, in which there can be no winners. They want what America has. They want the wealth redistributed, to create for themselves a power base of working class to support their needs to establish a worldwide humanist empire.
Does this sound like the ravings of a conspiracy nut? Maybe so. But if it’s a conspiracy theory, my rave is biblically based. It is not a conspiracy, in my view, of a group of world leaders from around the globe who seek to create a world order dictatorship. I’m of the opinion that most of these people believe they have altruistic intentions. They sincerely believe, for the most part, that building such a world, totally controlled by the globalist-elite thinking they can provide, is the way to world peace and prosperity.
However, the real maestro in this plan to create the new world order we heard the first President Bush talk so much about is none other than the greatest of all deceivers–the father of lies. His moving through the minds of men to build a world apart from God is not without precedent. We see that influence in the following:
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. (Genesis 1:1-4)
This account of civilization that developed in due time following the great Flood reflects the fallen mind of mankind. It is a mindset that has not changed over the many thousands of years since. It is an early attempt at one world order, without consideration for God the Creator’s input in determining the governance of culture and society.
The Bible records God’s dealing with that early rebellion of the globalist-elites’ attempt to establish their humanistic kingdom:
And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. (Genesis 11:5-9)
The Creator dealt with these one-worlders by confounding their language. He erected instant language barriers between the people working on the tower of Babel and other projects in the area so that they couldn’t complete the projects. God then supernaturally scattered the people who had become as one culture into the whole world.
The God of Heaven is on the brink of again intervening into the murderous affairs of rebellious mankind. The destruction of Babylon the Great, like the destruction of the Tower of Babel, will lead to the end of man's attempt to usurp the throne of God. But, this time it will be a fix that will install the Prince of Peace on His earthly throne.
I know I'll be in trouble with the seminary types, but, based upon evidence in view and Scripture, I have to be open minded to the possibility that we are living in that mysterious place whose chief, doomed, city is called Babylon the Great. One thing sure: We shall see, perhaps sooner rather than later. I find the following most interesting, upon considering Revelation 4:1. (And, keep in mind, the book of Revelation is not strictly chronological in its presentation. The call might refer to a time considerably earlier than this city's destruction.)
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. (Revelation 18: 4-5)
He along with the other slumbering Christians are waking up to the fact that maybe the ‘scholars’ have it wrong, but one thing for sure, it is nearing Midnight.
If someone in the Christian Prophetic circles can’t yet see America in Bible Prophecy, they have put themselves in the category of irrrrrrrelevant, as Monty Python used to say, as far as Bible Prophecy is concerned, imo.
Question for all…… are you ready?
My wife was on the computer last night on the Fox news home page and clicked on one of the small videos on the right side of the home page, the title was something like ‘Why Obama will not serve out his last two years”.
When she clicked on it this link this video popped up and started playing. She closed out, and then opened it again, and called me into the room.
Hey Jj……….. ‘This guy sounds just like you” ………..she said …..
Listen for yourself…. The guy has many of the pieces aright and sees Babylon, the Nation as America correctly, yet ‘Mystery Babylon’ is bigger than just America. I did not listen to it all, yet when I tried to leave the page I got one of those pesky messages like … ‘are really you’re sure your want to leave before you buy something’???
When I went back again to Fox, and it was gone, it was taken down.
For what it’s worth;……. Here is the link.
Got to admit… the guy is all over the bulls-eye. Worth the listen, imo, I guess we are both reading and taking literally the same book.
I watched the video, so am going to say a word ..or two.
Although I agree with your wife that the two of you SOUND alike, I would not go as far as to say you two sound ALIKE. The principle for me is .. " ... a little leaven leavens the whole lump. .."
You, as I see it, labor freely in the Vineyard. Your "Zionism" Thread (esp. the Archive) is loaded with strong scholarship, hard work and deep conviction. You are open-faced and earnest. You have, before your eyes, both 'the Fear of the Lord', and the 'spirit of adoption'. You expect no compensation in this life, but you await the day when Christ Himself will show you the 'treasure you had lain up in heaven .. where your heart was.' And, your heart will overflow when you "See Him as He is" .. and are LIKE Him. O, happy day! You cannot imagine!
But our brother (?) in the video (Clang - clang - clang) ends with the 'inevitable' Sales Pitch! ... and, a little leaven, as you well-know, leavens the whole lump. For all I know, he could be some nefarious TFMR-er who spent 5 minutes in the Archive, and thought, 'Hey, I can monetize this.'
Jesus said many things that cause me to tremble, but He also said many things that encourage me to draw nearer. "Taste, and see, that the Lord is Good!"
Keep up the good work, JerJr. Be of good cheer. Know that your labor is not in vain as I, for one, openly admit my respect and my admiration, for your person .. for your faithfulness .. and for freely giving of labors performed .. the labors of your heart
I believe it was the Lord's Good Will that brought us all into contact with each other .. mysteriously .. in the first place. May This be my acknowledgment of That.
A Holy Kiss to each: (Ladies before Gentlemen, hopefully) Nana, MaryAnn, Carol, Linda; NW VIEW, Foggy, Fly, I Run Bartertown, Putin deSafe, 66, Mr. Rex, Daystar, Hayman, Frijolito and Any whose 'names' I have forgotten!
There is One the laces of whose sandals I am Unworthy to untie!
Yours ... NotWorthyDale
Etta James/"O, Happy Day"
A Humble Word.
God Bless Jjr.
Dividing the Land.
Sorry for not responding, I have been away as of late, a lot going on. My oldest is getting married to a gem and a wonderful young lady on the 27th of June, been away the last four weekends straight, really looking forward to that day. He is our first to marry.
Dale sincerely, thanks for that post and the kind and encouraging words, you too Foggy, I really appreciate that, I do, and can’t begin to tell you how many detractors, ‘Christian’ PhD’s, mega pastors and the likes I have tried to talk to regarding the correct prophetic understanding that I have posted on in ‘Zionism’ and how that spills into the rest of the Bible and the Biblical Gospel and have gotten nowhere.
You have eyes to see and ears to hear, as well as many others on this site. You , and others, all who hear, are blessed. You know who you are. Luke 10:20
“I believe it was the Lord's Good Will that brought us all into contact with each other .. mysteriously .. in the first place. “
Dale, correct, it was, and is, why we are still here, like Ester, for such a time as this, all of us, at the very end of this age, it is almost upon us all, and yet we still have much to do while it is yet light. No?
Keep on, keeping on, and keep looking up.
"America as Babylon" @ www.hagmandhagmann.com Thursday evening.
Just thought you might have an interest.
@ www.hagmannandhagmann.com 'America as Babylon' ...Thursday 8 PM Eastern
Steve Price, I think (have you heard of him?) and SQ ...FYI
And Congratulations on the upcoming Marriage in your family!
'He who findeth a wife findeth a good thing.'!
Thanks for the heads up Dale on the SQ program with John Price, listening to it as I type this response.
Saw the program was three hours, and not sure I will listen to the end, yet here are a few brief thoughts….
This program is spot on in many ways imo. All would do well to listen to it.
First; America is not the totality of ‘Mystery’, Mystery is a Global System and is bigger than just America, we are the Nation, Babylon the Great, and America is part of the final and current manifestation of ‘Mystery’, yet she, Mystery Babylon, is bigger than just us.
I have said this so many times, Babylon, in scripture, is s System, A City and a Nation. She is all three.
SQ and Price seem to have spent a lot of time on the warning all to flee Babylon, that imo, is a personal decision, if the Lord tells one to leave America, do so, if one has not been told to do so, do not. Until then, stand your ground, you will be protected.
Yet when America finally gets it in the neck, there will be a lot of Gods dear children that are still residing here for whatever reason, inability financially to move, ignorance of what is happening, etc, etc.
IMO, the Lord will not pour out His wrath on this country and include those in Christ in that wrath, He will deliver those (us) prior to that. (Read - translation of the Saints). He will come for us. He will.
Personally, I have not been told to leave, don’t base anything upon that, yet ask the Lord, He will tell one what you are to do.
As I listen to this, there is no reason to fear for those in Christ. If you are outside of Christ, that is another a matter. Yet for the believer, as this country unravels, and continues to fall apart, there is no reason to fear what is coming.
At the end of the first hour, and will listen to the rest of it tomorrow and report back. Tired.
Thanks... Good stuff.
My musings and thoughts on Blessings and Curses, observing the multitude of Nations, Peoples, and Faiths turning their backs on Israel, and the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
My God, the God of my Fathers, the God of the Bible.
The only true Living God, the God of Heaven and Earth, everlasting God who tells the end from the beginning in hundreds of prophecies, hundreds fulfilled, some thousands of years in advance, some fulfilling before our very eyes for those who wish to see, to His Glory, to sanctify His Name, so you will know I AM GOD.
"For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever."
Romans 11:36 kjv
If we turn our backs to God, shall we expect His continued Blessings?
We are blessed if we bless His people Jacob, and we who curse Jacob?
The Bible tells us those who curse Jacob will themselves be cursed.
The new Harper Collins world Atlas Globe, does not have the State of Israel on it, I read yesterday, glad my name is not Harper or Collins.
This is a long read but worth while in my humble opinion, enjoy and Pray for Israel.
"God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows."
"He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee."
Num 24:8,9 kjv
Blessings and Curses of the Mosaic covenant are laid out in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 28, the ten Commandments in chapter 5.
I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
Neither shalt thou steal.
Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:
And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.
The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
"What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded"
"(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day."
Rom 11:7,8 kjv
Spiritual Blindness upon Israel has made way for the Salvation of all Gentiles (you and I, every tongue, tribe and nation), although evil intent caused the Pharisees to condemn a sinless Son of God, Jesus Christ to death.
His blood washed the whole World, all those whose heartfelt belief in the fleshly Jesus Christ's death, resurrection three days later and His ascension to sit at the right hand of God in Heaven shall be saved, adopted Sons and Daughters of the Most High.
Glory Glory Glory, praise our Lord and Saviour, precious, only begotten Son of God, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, Jesus of Nazareth, Lord, Brother and Friend of all who seek with humble heart.
Every name shall confess, every knee shall bow at the Mighty Name of Jesus, on the great and terrible Day of the Lord.
The Tribe of Jacob, "Israel" are God's chosen, "established thee today for a people unto Himself and that he be unto thee a God, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob".
cf Deu 29:13
The tribe of Jacob were also tasked with fulfilling the prophetic scriptures, specifically the many Messianic prophecies, as it is written;
The Psalmist King David wrote in 1015 BC, 3000 years ago the following.
To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.} My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations.
All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.
Ps 22 kjv
Isaiah the prophet wrote in 712 BC this prophetic chapter predicting the Messiah, about 2700 years ago the following.
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Isa 53 kjv
God loves Israel, and we Christians and Peoples in the western world receive God's blessing if we too love Israel.
One hundred and thirty five Nations have lined up to recognize Palestine as a State, France is writing a motion to put forth in the U.N. to fully recognize a Palestinian State.
The five security council member states that have veto power, four have stated support for France's U.N.resolution, the fifth the U.S. has not formally stated their position, but considering B.O.s past treatment of BiBi chances are slim for a thumbs down, imho.
I don't know what territories or borders this will encompass but check points are being constructed within the undisputed territory of Israel as we speak.
Palestine has never been a country, or a people as such, so time will tell but Jerusalem will be internationalized and once again be under Roman control.
The stage is being reset for the return of first the False Christ, followed by the return of the real Christ.
War is on the Horizon, they have lifted up the head.
Pray for Israel, Pray for all the Nations who have turned their back on Israel.
Pray for the Jew, the Muslem, the Christian in the ME, pray the Holy Ghost opens Hearts, and loosens stiff Necks.
Pray for the old and the little ones, the weak and the poor.
Let us pray for Salvation to visit all eyes and ears,
Even so, come Lord Jesus, come.
Praise the Lord, and pray always that you may right with God.
"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
I pray in Jesus name,
Just one Bible students opinion of where we are at in Bible Prophecy.
Paul edifies in the epistle to the Romans.
The man Abraham (means, of a great multitude in Hebrew) was tested of God.
Abraham's faith and trust in God was tested mightily, through his faith offering of his son Isaac (means, 'Laughter' in Hebrew, Abraham laughed when told he would father a child at 100 years old), Isaac was born of Sarah at an old age of ninety one as promised by El Shaddai, ('Almighty God', All Sufficient One, in Hebrew).
Ishmael, first born son of Abraham and Hagar the Egyptian bondwoman was thirteen years at the time of Isaac's birth.
Paul's letter to the brethren in Rome was penned by Paul, around 60 AD.
In this letter Paul explains
"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)"
"But what saith it?
The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach, except they be sent?
as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"
"But they have not all obeyed the gospel.
For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
But I say, Have they not heard?
Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
But I say, Did not Israel know?
First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people."
Rom 10 kjv
Remnant of Israel
What is a remnant?
A remnant is a very small percentage of the whole, think, ten percent or thereabouts.
"I say then, Hath God cast away his people?
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias?
how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
But what saith the answer of God unto him?
I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.
But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber,
eyes that they should not see,
and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day."
"And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway."
Rom 11:1-10 kjv
The Ingrafting of the Gentiles
"I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall?
God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles,
for to provoke them to jealousy.
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world,
and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles;
how much more their fulness?"
Let that sink in.
"For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world,
what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them,
and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Boast not against the branches.
But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then,
The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith.
Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God:
on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness,
if thou continue in his goodness:
otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief,
shall be graffed in:
for God is able to graff them in again.
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature,
and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree:
how much more shall these, which be the natural branches,
be graffed into their own olive tree?"
Wow, that took hours, God Bless my Beloveds,
here there everywhere, ToFers.
Glory to Our Father in Heaven,
what blessed stories SVM, Hayman, Dale,
to His Loving Heart be Praise,
Listened to the rest of the program…..
As I have said before, if all we believers all agreed on everything, believed the exact same things, were in lockstep on every single doctrine and nuance of scripture. Then from the Lords perspective, one (some) of us were unnecessary. . That’s not the case; He loves diversity, just look at creation.
Dale, thanks, loved the program. Good stuff could have been about 1/3 the time, imo.
A few Jj thoughts on ‘Mystery Babylon’,.
I agree with the statement at 1:36, America is the often overlooked and missing link in the prophetic puzzle. After Israel, America is the second biggest player in the end times, when one finally see’s this; the rest, and the majority of the prophetical puzzle comes into focus and makes sense.
‘Mystery’ basically is any, and all false ‘religion’ opposed to the revealed truth of God, Hinduism, Daoism, Mormonism, Humanism, the Occult, Apostate Christianity etc, etc, etc. Any and all error, the Lord just lumps into one category and calls it ‘Babylon’…….. Which means ………‘Confusion’.
‘Mystery’ at the same time, has always been with us, since Nimrod’s time, as we see from Revelation 17 the beast has seven heads, five were, one is not, and the other is yet to come, her capitals or ‘heads’, throughout history have been Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo - Persia, and Greece, Rome, and now finally America. We (America) are Mystery’s current capital, ‘That Great City” which ‘reigns over the kings of the earth’.
Babylon is revived, NOT Rome.
Revelation tells us, the seventh head ‘morphs’ into the eighth….. And it’s us… sorry to be the bearer of bad news but its America will be transformed via martial law or whatever the vehicle it is into the final manifestation of Babylon. One day we won’t recognize this country, we all best deal with it. It will happen. It is written.
When America finally gets it in the neck, and is whipped out, taken off the map so to speak, ‘Mystery’ will continue and probably move back, and retrace her steps, in the way in which she initially progressed, back to Rome, then to Iraq, from whence she was originally birthed.
‘Mystery’ is a Global system that we (America) has currently spawned, nurtured, fostered and birthed, through Christian apostasy, that has taken over the entire earth via the deeds and works of the ‘Rich men of the Earth’…... The bankster’s basically. James 5.
In short, the ‘Church’ has basically fallen asleep… allowing this to happen. Ouch.
No need to fear for those in Christ. The rest of you reading in, repent, its almost here.
Keep looking up, place no trust in this world and it’s failing systems.
Great view Jer. Jr.
JerJr, and All ...
Paragraph #1 above is pregnant with Grace, Truth and Liberty. Because of IT, I will post this lecture from Ann Barnhardt, an ardent Roman Catholic woman.
You said, "One day we won't even recognize this country, ... ." And, "When America finally gets it in the neck, ... ." I already don't recognize it, and I already believe we have 'taken it in the neck'.
Even over @ DOTS Marxism is hardly ever mentioned. I was sick to my stomach when O first to came to power in the U.S. When he got re-elected, I was brought so low that I thought death might be a welcome visitor. From Day 1, I believed a Marxist 'putsch' had been accomplished, and that we had become a captured nation. I marvel at how the passage of a few years dulls the senses, and befogs the mind.
This lecture had faded into insignificance. Re-listening has caused me to re-evaluate many things ... including my willingness to follow Christ, and the very earnestness that 'following' Him requires. This, I conclude, is a good thing ..tho' it sounds a bit 'dodgy'.
I love this Lady, although she makes me very uncomfortable. Sometimes (dare I say it?), she almost makes me feel effeminate! I read her blog @ www.barnhardt.biz .
Here is her 4-Part Lecture on the Vendee Genocide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaMLoLtFn6s AnnBarnhardt Vendee PT 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBMm6o5jra8 AnnBarnhardt_Vendee_PT 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib49I4wYw7I AnnBarnhardt_Vendee_PT 3
If you have listened, you have already heard a few 'choice' words. I am neither offended nor surprised because, like I said, I read her blog. She chooses her words carefully, and she means what she says. Part 4 (miniscule parts) may not be pretty..or go down easily..but she handles, with dignity and without compromise, some very ugly truths about our culture and our political environment.
You can easily find Part 4 if you watch any of the previous 3 on YouTube.
Each Part is approximately 18 minutes.
I struggled over the appropriate Thread to post this on. But I thought it was worth posting.