Your article does have much merit. If we list the things that must be thrown out of the steeple house buildings, post our 95+ articles that still need to be corrected, and try to get the drum set removed from Sunday morning gathering, we will have empty pews.
My hope has been that men will gather, across the nation, outside of the divided blind systems, seek the Lord for direction and return as the Church. The elders must rise to the occasion and take back their callings and apply Church discipline, starting with the teaching of the Priesthood of all believers. Time is short and there will be much weeping, in that day, because of our departure from "It is Written". Jim
Great rant Jim. Having been personally affected by a congregation choosing to leave their Biblical doctrinal truth and choosing to add things that "tickle the ears" and make them feel good, I have the same longing. Way too many wolves in sheep's clothing.
On the subject of groups, our current congregation splits into home groups, and our home group unfortunately is all empty nesters. We decided to befriend a younger home group (our congregation is in a college town) as our larger congregation appears to be trending older and we are burdened for the new generation coming up understanding the importance of sticking with Biblical truth only.
We have now had two social events with them and are building some fruitful friendships. I am thankful God is allowing us opportunity to build into the lives of these young people who know Christ and want to follow Him. We have been pleasantly surprised that they seem to like us. Maybe because we are not their parents? We are praying for opportunity to deepen relationships and have credibility to speak truth, boldly yet in love, as culture is a siren call to even Christian young adults.
There was a man who was given a true revelation of what the Lord wanted. I knew this man and joined their organization. In the beginning, they wanted to bring the gospel message to the entire world and it spread to many nations. I became a teacher within their camps, seminars and conventions, around the globe. Things started off well until success was seen. The clergy came in, told them they were a layman's group and could only be a "parachurch' organization. You know, not really a professional system, just made up of laymen and needed to be controlled by the professional clergy, those who had been to bible college. These blinded clergy helped to ruin the work of the Spirit. I was there as a witness.
I would say: "I am not a layman and this is not a parachurch organization. Para meaning 'works along side the real thing". It was already ruined at that point. Yes it is still out there today, very small, and they still think they are laymen.
When Jesus arrived, long ago, the clergy was in control of everyone. Jesus became a threat to their power and influence as well as their incomes. He needed to be eliminated. The clergy were dressed in their robes of costume as today. They see themselves as "the real thing, the anointed", while the sheep are there to supply the needs of them and their systems. Nothing has changed.
The Lord will not and has not established any parachurch structures for the Church. There is not and never has be a clergy/layman division in the era after the finished Work of the Cross. If you think of yourself as a layman, you have bit on the old testament apple and will never fulfill your calling in this Church age. The beginning of Freedom for the Church, the people, is the revelation of the priesthood of all believers.
Much needs to be discussed on this subject while there is still time. The ball in in your court. Jim
From this experience of George Fox, and from this apprehension of truth, many things necessarily followed. George Fox had obtained the experience without the aid of any priest; it may be said he obtained it in spite of the priests. Naturally he examined the New Testament to find what he could about the priesthood. He found there was no such order or class in the Church. Nowhere was there any reference to the division of the Church into so-called clergy and laity. He found very clearly taught the high-priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ and the priesthood of all true believers. Filled with the realization of the Divine Presence in the soul there was a consciousness of such a nearness of touch and closeness of relationship that by no possibility could any human being come between a believing soul and the High Priest of his salvation. Then it was seen that this had been prophesied to Israel on coming out of Egypt, "Ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests," and had been declared as having come to pass the words, "He hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father." With this there necessarily followed a sweeping denial of all the claims to sacerdotalism in whatever form or degree they may be asserted. The doctrine of the high-priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ and the priesthood of all believers, who offer spiritual sacrifices and have free access to God through Him, without the intervention of any human instrumentality whatsoever, lies next to the corner-stone of distinctive Quakerism.
The Quakers of today have lost their way.
How sad our heavenly Father must be to see His children ensnared in Babylon's system of government, and their leaders using scripture verses to promote their worldly concepts of authority and submission. Like big business corporations they produce constitutions and statements of belief which all must obey and agree upon to qualify as members. Well meaning Christians, unwittingly living in Babylon, approach others with questions like, "Which church do you belong to?" or "Who do you submit to?" Their concepts are so worldly that when any member fails to submit to their hierarchy or agree with their beliefs or practices, he or she is rejected. Lost members, splits, divisions and great heartaches are the result. Confusion, Babylon reigns, and God's Kingdom is divided against itself. When Jesus came with His Gospel of the Kingdom of God, He came to set the captives free from the Babylonian rule that had enveloped God's people and permeated their religious system. In her early years the church was the family of God, a redeemed community within every community, unstructured, without special buildings, hymn books, head offices, constitutions, hierarchies, church boards, Missionary boards, building funds, Popes, Archbishops, Priests, Nuns, women's meetings, Sunday schools, seminaries, Bible schools, parachurch organizations, and everything else associated today with "proper Christianity". All these things appear important to the natural minds of men, but are totally irrelevant in God's Kingdom. Jesus can build His Church without them, and in fact they hinder Him. In the early church everybody experienced real church life. No young people were sent away to learn about God and His Word in a special school. Their school was the community in which they lived - the family of God - all the believers in their town. The apostles came and lived with them, and worked for their living in the area for months or even years. Apostles formed Christ in the disciples by living with them, demonstrating Him, and teaching them to do all the things that Jesus had commanded them. Then they departed, leaving the local church to find its own way under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. They did not even have Bibles to guide them. No Pastor was sent from some Head Office to lead and guide the new church. Slowly, painstakingly, over many years, lives were formed, and within these communities, GOD began to make prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. The Holy Spirit decided matters. There were no "graduation ceremonies" producing raw young "Ministers of the Gospel", who had become "Reverends" by passing examinations. The people, those ordinary people which the Scriptures call the church, began to recognize the ministries functioning in their midst, and said, "God has given us a pastor or prophet or prophetess". These words are not titles but simply describe functions of certain believers who only Jesus can gift and enable. The pastor or prophet or any other gift of the risen Christ did not then become "part of the clergy", but simply functioned as part of the body, no better, no more important than the serving girl believer who washed the floor. THE WORD OF CHRIST WAS NOT FORGOTTEN. "…whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant, and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave, just as the Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve…" (Matt. 20:26-28) All the believers in the town were collectively known as the church. The name of the town was only added to identify those believers by locality, so we have the church at Corinth or Rome or Jerusalem. Individually "they were known as disciples, not church members. The false concept that a building in which we meet is called a church was only introduced by Satan after many years. The church could assemble together but they could not "go to church", and would have been astounded if anybody had asked which church they belonged to. It would only be after many years of the experience of real church life that the Holy Spirit would cause apostles, prophets or evangelists to be sent out from these local churches, and they were anointed by God, not appointed by men. They went without Bibles or prepared sermons or notes, but the Holy Spirit directed them and they imparted LIFE instead of lectures. When they came to any town where there were other believers they were immediately received as part of the church, because there was no difference except in the name of the locality. They all loved and served one another because that was the most basic and most important command of the King. There was no need or place for human organization or structure because relationships within a large family, united by one Spirit are all that matter.
Oh how will the detoured divided believer of today ever understand the messages from Peter Whyte? A trainload of repentance is our only hope. jim
A great brother in the Lord sent me this article to read. I will say that much of it is insightful. Yes, I would rewrite it in a few areas concerning the Church. This nation is in trouble and all know it. Jim
One e-mail from the east coast and this second e-mail from J.D. on the west coast. He was raised in the Brethren and this is part of the messages needed by the believers of today,who will listen? Jim
A while back someone mentioned that it would be a courageous act should a person decide to post their 1st Post to ToF, and that took me back to my 1st Comment here. It was not courage that prompted that out of me: It was desperation. Now, in retrospect, those dark days have passed and my complaint ("i refuse to die w/o a good word on my lips for Christ.") hath born fruit, yet i shall never forget the emptiness, the hopelessness, the seemingly endless days living in my bathrobe..not showering, not shaving, not cooking, not sleeping. I became in danger of wearing out my shoulders from laying in that recliner, turning from side to side, trying to find comfort enough to sleep or, at the least rest. When the recliner became too uncomfortable, i took me to the floor. It seemed i no company except for the SCC festering below my navel. But, sometimes, that is the end for a double-minded man who may 'speak with the tongues of men and angels', yet hath love in his heart for no man (apparently) and, obviously, no fidelity in his heart to Christ. So, in a manner of speaking, i went looking for death, but was unable to find it. But, sometimes, a man's desperate condition, moves the Great Physician to kindness and, all the while the patient languishes, He already has spittle in the dirt, and He is beginning to mix the spittle and the dirt w/His finger, preparing a balm for the afflicted. O, the deep, deep love of Jesus! "I bid you to help me to praise."
Today, one might look at me and say, "Boy, Dale, you're sure a mess." and i would say to them, "Indeed!" But had you seen me on the day i 1st 'posted' to ToF you would have said, "That's a dead man walking." The Lord would have said, "No, that's a man being raised from the dead, and I am going to teach him how to walk 1st, and then I am going to teach him obedience by the things he is suffering. And He, being the Good Shepherd that He is, breaks the leg of the problematic lamb..and carries that pitiable creature on His shoulders, until the bones are mended and that lamb is problematic no more. "O, i bid you to help me to praise."
So, i shall always thank the Lord, Jesus the Christ, for the 'ToF' because that was the lifeline that was extended to me. And i will always consider you, Jim, my Brother born for adversity. At present, my sense is that, like Peter, the Lord has asked me, for the 3rd time, if i love Him. My answer (in spite of the back-story) has thrice been 'Yes'. But this time He said back to me, "Then, feed my sheep." The crooked places are made straight; the bruised reed is not broken; the smoking flax smoketh yet, and perhaps, we shall see a fire. "i bid you to help me to praise!"
Presently, i now see that that black pit of despair was both necessary and preparative for what the Lord has set before me to do today. And i would say, of a truth, that sometimes i feel like i've met the Lord for the first time; that for the first time in 68 years i know what my purpose is in life; that i have learned a little about love. i sense myself a priest, not after the order of Melcizidek, but after the order of Christ. What a joy it is to represent Christ upon the earth; to be a partaker in the ministry of reconciliation; to minister to my poor, old father, attempting to speak in the 'tongues of the alzheimered; praying against difficult family resentments and seeking, jealously, to see the Lord glorified in my father's dying days. O, that all men would, "Taste, and see, that the Lord is good." Pity those that can't, or haven't yet. Weep for them..Groan for them..Always remember thine own deformities, and how Christ pitied thee, and how He came to bind up thine own broken heart. Then, and only then, go to thy neighbor and speak to him of Christ. Only then will he believe that you have an honest interest in his soul. Our tears will tell our story best and, each one, Christ putteth in a bottle, that they be not wasted, or consumed or forgotten by heat, by fear, by unbelief or by the cares of this world. Sometimes i think that our best prayers are but deep groans, wistful sighs and multitudes of tears. The Spirit will faithfully interpret. O, and how we bless God, the Holy Spirit, that He ever began to take the things of Christ and show them to us. He speaks not of Himself, but of the Lord Jesus. It was He that circumcised these hard hearts of ours, in order that the gifts of repentance, faith, hope, and love might be dropped into them; not to mention that New Song that we now sing, about peace with God through the sacrificial death of Jesus of Nazareth, @ Golgotha, outside the city gates of Jerusalem, on a certain day in history, in our stead. Can we not see Him there, in all that bloody gore and misery, fulfilling, before his Father, all the demands of the Law, except that one which sayeth, "cursed is the man who hangeth upon a tree..at which point the Father turned His back, as the Son crieth out, "Father, why hast Thou forsaken me?" And the wages of sin is death, so He died.
Can we look on this and not tremble? Can we see, if even in a glass darkly, any good coming out of such a mess as this? Marred more than any man, but just as dead as my dad will soon be. What a nauseous sight to behold! This certainly can't be the One spoken of in Isaiah who would give thee beauty for ashes, or a garment of praise for a spirit of despair, or who had any power to break through bars of iron to set the prisoner free. Fear not, o ye of little faith. It is the promised One, indeed, yet He requires us to watch and pray..for 3 days..before displaying the power to take up His own life gain, thereby becoming victorious, on our behalf, over sin, death and the grave. None of these could contain Him, nor will any of them hold sway over us..the Redeemed of the Lord.
In closing i will just say this and, Maryann and Linda, i pray that you will not hate me for what i am about to say. There were several years (early 70s) when i was a slave to lust and timidity and pornography. Those 3 were my masters. You can't imagine my disgust with myself and the disbelief that came over me the first day the notion entered me to expose myself. But, there was a certain fascination and excitement about it, too. This went on for a long time, until i got up enough 'courage' to approach a prostitute which, stupid as it may sound, was a step up; an improvement in my condition, one might say, as i had, in a certain way, since i had included another human being in my depravity. This went on for years. This went on while i was married to my 1st wife. I never raped anyone, but one night (O, Golgotha) i lurked in the bushes out on 82nd Ave, to see if i would be able to carry it off. I am thankful to this day that i was a timid man, and that this great horror was avoided. Many years were spent not believing or hoping for anything better; mostly hoping that they wouldn't get any worse. But, even this sordid account of my godless misery and history, is lost in the sea of God's forgetfulness, tho' it flits about my head every once in awhile, accusing me saying, "Yea, hath God said He has love for the likes of you, Dale Koelbl?" It is then that i blush, bow my head and plead the Blood and Righteousness of Christ..to cover me, to save me and to redeem me. That Christ e'er took up my case abases me, mystifies me, encourages me, teaches me, amazes me, sanctifies me and edifies yours truly. And if there is hope, in Christ, for the likes of me, then i will boldly say, "The same is available to you, whoever you are, wherever you are, no matter how deeply sin has thee entangled, or how deeply it has sunk it's fangs into you. The Lord is most gracious and kind to the most deformed among us. If ye can but touch the hem of his garment, then His power will be thine. Like Mr. Rex once said to me, "Take 1 step towards God, and He will take 1,000 steps in your direction." I think what he said is true.
Now, Jesus said, "Come unto me all ye that labor or are heavy laden and I will give you rest." I know what He said is true. I haved learned it the hard way. I have heard it from His own sweet lips. I know from whence i speak.
"Father, we thank Thee that salvation (accomplished and applied) is the issue of Thine own heart and mind. We thank Thee that within the Godhead there is found One willing to say, 'Here am I, Father..Send me.' We thank Thee that within the Godhead there is found One worthy of the challenge. We call him Jesus for He saves his people from their sins, sacrificially, eternally. There is a New Covenant ... It is written in Blood ... It is irrevocable ...It is the Way, to the Truth and to everlasting Life. Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. None! There is one Name, given under Heaven, whereby we must be saved. One! Apart from Christ, you have seen what i am. But Thou hast come alongside, and Thou hast taken pity on the chiefest of sinners, and he will not die without a good word on his lips for Christ. Father, may this be, to the praise of the glory of your grace. There is none(!) like unto Thee. Ye are like a King over all kings..Ye are like a well of living water.. Ye are like a Judge who always judges aright..Ye are like a hen that gathereth her chicks under her wing to protect them...Ye are matchless among the sons of men. Glorify Thyself in and through me." Amen.
*****Carol died on May 11, 2016. I remember because she died on my birthday. I still miss, SWM, here @ Table. But she, tho' dead, yet speaketh. She says to me, "Press on, Dale" So, i do, in the hope of seeing the face of one who ministered to my spirit during, and through, those darkest of days. What a gift the ToF has been to me. And, Jesus, we thank thee for the joy of knowing Carol a little, for a little while. Remember us to her while we anxiously await that day "when the dead in Christ shall rise first, and we who remain will be caught up, with them, to meet Thee in the air.' May this be that Day. Come quickly, Lord Jesus...Come quickly." Amen.
Oh what an honest post. You stir up a lot of topics within. So, I will just throw out a few disjointed ones:
I traveled the states and many nations, for short periods, over many years. I was fellowshipping with the Christian leaders, lots of pastors, elders and Christian Businessmen. I was continually shock at the "sin in the camp". Leaders who were in to adultery, fornicators, child molesters, perverts and reprobates. Oh how I suffered in those early days. It seemed as if the people within their systems really did not care and could not see through the empty suits and costumes. Oh what should I do Lord Jesus. If I say something, they will be angry and will not invite me back to speak to their assembly. If I keep quiet, the Spirit of God will depart from me and He will be silent.
I had an event, I have told this before, a chance to speak to hundreds of national Christian leaders. A call to repentance for the sexual sins. Oh what a great blessing for them to become clean as they stood for Christ and holiness. Yep, I was ruined in that group, being seen as a dangerous person to invite to their assembly. No one wants their boat rocked. Keep the people happy, preach an ear tickling message, pass the plate and let our steeple house grow. Seldom am I invited to speak at an assembly. I usually just pray upon arrival as to what to address them with. I also usually say "Lord, do I really have to say these things"? This is when the trouble starts, however, the Lord always shows up for His purpose.
Last week, four local house Church elders had a discussion. What can we do to advance the Truth in our community. We could start men's lunch meetings. We could try recording some messages. We could go back to advertising men's meeting on "Jesus and His Kingdom", or the priesthood of all believers, in the local news paper. It was finally decided that nothing would work for the people are not interested.
Dale, you have a powerful testimony. It would be very useful in an assembly as long as you do not call for the people to repent of their sins. If you do that, the leaders will become unhappy.
Dale, one thing to encourage you about this forum. I do get a few, very few, private messages from hurting people. I keep them covered. I feel like I have been born in the wrong era. (more later) Jim
I often ponder our Lord Jesus. Some wonder why He is any different than other gods. He is the only True One, coming down to give me a chance for Life eternal. He became involved for us. He actually paid a price that we could not pay. Oh how could He do that? I ponder these events, realizing that we were there, included in His death and resurrection, and we carry Him within, having that resurrection Power when needed. What good is there in believing in a savior, a resurrection, a Life eternal "if" is is only something preached from one who ministers? I feel that inner Life, an inner witness of He Who came within my temple by invitation and He is the Worthy One, the Only One Who was able to help me in my great need. He is Worthy and any price that comes forth, is only a blessing to us, as we follow Him. Jim
I agree with Jim. You have a powerful testimony. You are more than ready to share what God has done for you with others. I encourage you to pray for opportunity. You don't have to convert thousands, hundreds, or even tens, but just maybe the Holy Spirit will reach one through your testimony. And even if no one responds, you will have still been faithful and you may just be surprised someday what your part in History was.
Maybe find a coffee shop like Jim does, or ask someone if they want to read the Bible with you. God will open the doors and you will be amazed. You have already started. Until He returns, we press on.
Sorry, I have been awol for so long, will tell you about why when I can.
Dale thanks for your open honesty and transparency, powerful stuff Dale, and great testimony, agreed, the world is looking for that when connected with Truth of the Gospel as you so eloquently have done.
Transformation at the Heart level, something only God can do. Yet, mostly, He works through us.
Sin…. We all struggled with it, and its ramifications, that is hopefully what leads us all to Christ as believers and God’s remedy for it in the Cross of Christ in the first place, Repentance, not just for what we have done (do), but what we are.
Does not matter what it was (is), pride, hatred, lust, dishonesty, anger, infidelity, materialism, un-forgiveness, addictions of any sort, an unloving heart, etc, etc, etc. the list could go on and on and on and it does.
The Greatest sin is what????........ It is contained and found in the greatest commandment…… “Love the Lord God, with all our Hearts all our Souls, and all our Minds, and the second is like unto it, love our neighbors as ourselves.”
At the root of it, ALL SIN, is…….none of us Love, not in Truth, that was lost at the fall. We are all sinners, period, paragraph, end of sentence. All sin is a violation of Love. One can’t name one that isn’t, either against God, or against our fellow man. Yet there came one that did fulfill all righteousness, and did fulfill the Law on our behalf, that did love God and His fellow man. Jesus Christ.
Not to say the transforming power of Christ in rebirth has no effect, believers are forgiven and now have the capacity to love in truth now for the first time in our lives, we don’t always do it, but we can, yet the point of this post is, even after salvation, there remains a serious battle between the flesh and the spirit, the new man vs the old. Anyone who tells you otherwise is not speaking truth.
Truth be told, once born from above, once regenerated, nothing needs to be added to Christs finished work on our behalf to make one fit for heaven, Christ is enough, only the removal of something….. and something is our unredeemed flesh… or “this body of death” as Paul refers to it.
‘It is the Spirit is quickened, the flesh profits nothing’
I love theology that does two things, (1) makes little of man, and then in turn (2) Exalts God to His rightful place. Just one reason I love your posts Dale and others here, you all do that, Truth be told, there are no great men, even ‘Great Christian men’, we are all but broken, frail, undone and unworthy sinners and servants of a Great and Awesome, Powerful, Compassionate and Merciful God.
Jim (NW) sent me a youtube clip that was spot on in this regard, true servants, proclaiming and understood that truth, not sure if it was posted here or not, but should be. Better and more powerful declarations in it than what I just wrote about.
Anyway, we all battle against sin, before and especially after regeneration, believers, we are in a war, get used to it, and it does not end until death, yet we have the victory in Christ and the chains are broken, and our future secure against a righteous judgement and the wrath due against us which we all deserved. There is victory in Him, it is a matter of Faith, do we believe it????
It is finished!!!
If you have time listen to this little gem by C.H. Spurgeon.
I have tons of his sermons on my ipod but this one is perhaps my favorite.
It is called “Flesh and Spirit - A Riddle”
I love the Psalms, probably my favorite book in the entire Bible and Dale, NW and others here, I suspect it may be all yours as well.
Spurgeon say that the Psalms are favorite book of the “The many gray haired veterans that have done business on great waters” and I agree.
All, listen to this if you have time. You will not walk away unblessed and uninformed as to out struggle between Flesh and Spirit at present for those believers in the Great Gospel of God.
What is the level of responsibility, for the born again Christians to the Church, (the body, the People of God, His Family, the Bride, the called out Ones, the Last Temple of God, the redeemed of the Lord, the Overcomers, the Light unto the world, the Ones on the narrow path, those who will enter the Gates of the Kingdom, the ones who will sit at table with the Saints of old, those known as having Christ within)?
The high tide of assembles are all claiming to be within "a bible believing system." All read the same N.T. instructions, given by the Lord Himself and His apostles. However, much is actually backwards in practice. What is the level of my own responsibility in these days? Do we continue to speak to those believers who do not have eyes to see nor ears to hear as is written within the scriptures? Well, yes!
We have many a good believer who engages in heated debate with the unsaved, those outside the church, those who are a breath away from entering the gates that burn forever. At the same time, they will assemble tomorrow morning at their divided steeple houses, knowing the great sin within their camps, taking communion with the sinners who walk in darkness,(read the sins of the flesh and those who will not enter the gates of the Kingdom, even those within the assemblies) ,never confronting the sin in the camp:
1 Corinthians 5King James Version (KJV)
5 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Yes, we see a complete altering of the scriptures. We judge those who are "outside" and at the same time, have fellowship with the same sinners who are "within". WHERE ARE THE ELDERS WITHIN THE ASSEMBLIES? Wake up while it is today. The many are looking for prophets to rise up, telling them of the future events, looking for how the numbers and events gear together, hoping that this knowledge will gain them understanding of His return. At the same time, the prophets and wise men of old, the apostles of the Church era, have warned us of how the Church is to function. To them of old, most have turned their backs. Oh Lord, how much to say.
Out of the words of thy mouth we will be justified and out of the words of our mouth we will be condemned. The sin in the camp of the assemblies has helped to destroy that grouping for any witness to a lost world. The lost individuals see the judgment of them from the steeple house members while knowing of the sin in the camp. Repentance is always the answer to returning to the narrow Roadway that leads to Life. Jim
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
As Jer. Jr. says, let Scripture speak for itself. So finally here is some straight and VERY simple truth about "antichrist", versus all the myths, fiction, mysticism, hogwash, speculation and nonsense which is prevalent today on this topic:
or take the quiz:
(on denominations), from the tares link given above:
A quick way to return as the Church,
as it was given, is to start today, or Sunday morning, by coming out of manmade divisions, demonic divisions, and come to repentance for ever departing from the Church. So, if someone asks, "Where do you go to church", they really are asking what manmade division have you joined and supported, parting from the unity of the Body,what have you joined?
A better answer is "I am not a part of those who have tried to divide the Body of Christ for I am a living stone within the Church, we are the Church."
Come out from among them oh My People (that is the Church). Jim
"A better answer is "I am not a part of those who have tried to divide the Body of Christ for I am a living stone within the Church, we are the Church."
Love that Jim
Personally, I have no "denomination" never have, never will.
Serious question Dr P. and I do expect an answer to this. and I don't want a hyper-link.
I want your answer from your study of the Word. Not that it matters eternally but.........
Who is America in scripture??