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Amtrak 501 "Cascades" Train Derailment 18 Dec 2017

Amtrak 501 "Cascades" Train Derailment 18 Dec 2017
Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 11:58am
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Derailment at 80 mph?

I am no train accident expert, but you'd think if the crash occurred at 80 mph as reported, the mess would be much worse, and more spread out. 80 people on board and only 3 people killed? No seatbelts, either. Something don't seem right...

Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 12:35pm (Reply to #18102)
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Thanks for posting what amounts to a public service announcement, stating how the authorities have everything under control, and that no stone will be left unturned to reveal how this tragedy occurred.

Something that I noticed in the replay of the engineers announcement of Mission accomplished,

Was that the rescue workers were already arriving on the scene, moments after the derailment had been accomplished.

Combined with the mayors acknowledgment that the authorities were in the middle of a mass casualty drill, it is safe to assume that the rescue workers were pre-positioned, waiting for the derailment.

I just went for a ride in my car, and put on the radio for some news, and it was stated that the train was traveling in excess of 80 miles an hour on a 30 mph turn.

Living 3000 miles away, even I have to wonder why this is the lead story in my local news.

Considering that those trains stopped within a few hundred feet of the derailment, without actually hitting any immovable objects, this is total bullshit.

As the official Version of events is being spread far and wide, I find it interesting that we still don't even have a name of the engineer.

This time, we're actually going with the imaginary Patsy.

No one will be a held accountable for anything, the government is never accountable for anything.

Here is an early report stating that the speed limit on the turn was 79, and that the train has hit something on the track that derailed it.

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Government sponsored false flags never seem to get their stories straight at first.

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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 1:10pm (Reply to #18103)
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ancientmoney wrote: I am no

ancientmoney wrote:

I am no train accident expert, but you'd think if the crash occurred at 80 mph as reported, the mess would be much worse, and more spread out. 80 people on board and only 3 people killed? No seatbelts, either. Something don't seem right...

Not to mention the force of gravity on a 65 ton passenger car falling off a bridge. I'm thinking flat like a sardine can. The video basically just said, we're waiting for this, this and this with no conjecture.

ARe there any eye witness testimonies or passenger testimonies on speed? Alot of video's after the crash.

Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 1:18pm (Reply to #18104)
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Two things occur to me on this "wreck" story;

Two things occur to me on this "wreck" story;

1) I'm frkn amazed at how - as much as we resist - tptb and their msm are continuously capable of commandeering our collective consciousness, in a gd heart beat.....sigh.

2) da view from 30,000 feet; When I was on assignment in Holland in the mid-90's I was at one time engaged in a conversation with an average young lady factory worker. She said she was taking Friday off, taking a train to Rome, and spending the weekend there. Train cost ---$38 including a supper and a sleeper berth. There are trains in EU everywhere, all the time. Somehow I don't recall any train wrecks in EU. The trains there run like at a hundred times the US level for destinations, volume and frequency and speed and comfort and cleanliness.

Is somebody starting a campaign to make trains seem like a hugely risky non-alternative to the massive and oil industry profitable car industry in the US?? I recall that the US train system ( the worst in the world), was at the top of Trumpsters list of infrastructre that needed re-building. Now, we wouldn' t want a new and improved trains system competing with our oil interests, and also allowing the car-poor sheeple affordable mobility and freedoms -- would we?

Just sayin.......................

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I tried tracking that mangled

I tried tracking that mangled wreckage back to where it came from.

And think it is just shown at the edge of the early video. There are scrape marks ripped in the section edges of the retaining wall:

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Now have a look at this

Now have a look at this distant shot of which I have zoomed in and enlarged a section :

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There's no way to be 100% certain it was a signal/sign/traffic light that collapsed on to the track and was ripped out by the passing loco. But this is just prior to the odd looking track ballast formation, and let's just say I won't be surprised if impact with this trackside equipment is what caused the derailment.

That pole was likely originally where I marked with the black circle, and I think it toppled and fell for some reason (rainfall softening the freshly replaced earth?) falling onto the track where it got picked up by the loco.

The "hole" in the wall makes sense, as such a pole would have concrete poured around its base which would come with it.

The impacts and scraped etched into the retaining wall sections make sense. The disturbed gravel bed (raised portion) beside the farside rail was likely scooped out by the pole/attached gear under the black curved line and deposited closer to the track in a similar fashion to how soil gets moved to the side by a farmers plough passing through a field. So the raised gravel makes sense with this explanation too.

I just needed to go back and look at it from the other side after figuring out the precise location and that damaged wall section just jumps out at me.

Now we wait and see what the official investigation comes up with.

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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 2:36pm
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Great ammo for the argument

"Maybe Trump just needs another trillion dollars to disappear down a black hole, calling it "infrastructure spending", when in reality, not a single dime will be spent for that purpose. They're hoping most people disregard the fact but this was a brand-new train, on a brand-new track, with $158 million recently spent to put it into service. I would consider that infrastructure spending, which accomplishes absolutely nothing when competing interests wish to destroy it. "

Didn't realize that; " this was a brand-new train, on a brand-new track, with $158 million recently spent to put it into service."

That would seem to re-inforce my speculation, that someone might want to instill a fear campaign around trains. I can just see the oil co sponsored congressional puppet men saying;"Why spend more on trains when even the latest and greatest can just willy-nilly jump da tracks?" Great ammo for the argument against updating the trains , huh? Those morally devoid A$$wipes have been trying to kill the trains for 100 years.

Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 2:39pm
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Thanks again argentus maximus

I think we're getting pretty close to the scene of the crime now. Consider the possibility that the initial impact of the pipe and or steel girder went right through the retaining wall at that first missing chunk, the train, or some very heavy metal literally bounced, and then rested against the retaining wall causing the ensuing gouge marks.

In that last video I posted , there was an eyewitness commuter driver, who said that men in military fatigues were running towards the wreck immediately after it occurred. This is backed up by the radio broadcast by the engineer who stated that emergency services were already arriving on the scene just moments after the event.

I will acknowledge Ruffians experiences placing random obstructions on the rails to see what happens, but a purpose built ramp made out of hardened steel anchored firmly between the railroad ties, and against the outer rail inside wall would have given that front wheel something to ride up over the rail with.

Any number of the "first responders" could have removed the evidence in the pandemonium that ensued.

That white mangled pile of crap may have, or may not have been a contributing factor, but with all of the other circumstantial evidence piling up around this, it is safe to assume that this event was planned, and it was planned by government agents.

Certainly, they could have figured out a way to get a wheel over the rail, and then make that critical piece of evidence disappear afterwards. With just the resources on the scene, I certainly can.

We have compiled means, motives, and opportunities that would present more than enough circumstantial evidence to win a guilty verdict in any court of law, if only we had a private sector suspect.

Maybe Trump just needs another trillion dollars to disappear down a black hole, calling it "infrastructure spending", when in reality, not a single dime will be spent for that purpose. They're hoping most people disregard the fact but this was a brand-new train, on a brand-new track, with $158 million recently spent to put it into service. I would consider that infrastructure spending, which accomplishes absolutely nothing when competing interests wish to destroy it.

Jim's eyewitness account of 12 hour traffic jams that were completely unnecessary, adds substantially to the fact that his "public servants" don't give a shit about the public.

Yeah Jim,

We get those completely unnecessary traffic jams here too. As soon as the "Public servants" arrive, everything comes to a grinding halt, for no apparent reason, other than that they can.

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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 2:42pm (Reply to #18111)
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Our Train came into the station! Oh Happy Day.

Mr. Fix, you may not have given our government a fair shake lately. One can see how well the government operates by how they take care of their senior citizens.

I just received out notice from the Social Security division, letting us know about our increase which will be on our Jan., 2018 check. They have covered the inflation problem, over the last few years, and we are again headed for "easy street". Our two monthly checks will have a total increase of $10/mo.

If grandpa has not prepared for his retirement, he may want to move to the streets of Seattle, everything being provided by the socialist government. We still have beans and peas, from the garden, in the freezer.

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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 2:46pm (Reply to #18112)
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Hello Jim!

I'm happy to see that you are well, and in good humor.

I will leave you to figure out how you and your lovely bride are going to spend your newfound windfall profits.

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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 2:50pm
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Abguy4 Ain't it amazing what can be accomplished...

When you can just buy politicians.

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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 2:52pm (Reply to #18111)
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Mr. Fix

We have been talking about the horrible traffic jams today. I said: "If I was governor, I could clear out that mess, on the overpass, in ten minutes." This is my stomping grounds. I was a state highway inspector on that section of freeway, many years ago. This is what I stated this morning:
I would go onto the overpass, tell the media from around the world: "You have ten minutes to get your camera, tents, and trash off of this overpass or you will soon find it on the freeway below. If you want pictures, take them from the freeway, under this overpass. We are opening up Mounts Road and the people can get back on the freeway just west of here. "

Have you heard of anyone, any news channel, who has exposed this man made jam?

NW VIEW >>>1 Cor. 1:18
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If you were governor,

Washington state would be a much better place to live.

The fact of the matter is, you have treasonous scum at every level of government, following orders from a bunch of Satanic miscreants who would prefer that you were dead.

Your inconvenience just puts a smile on their face.

It's a good reason to have a few days worth of really good food on hand, so that you do not have to go shopping for any reason.

Yeah, I know, you're thoroughly prepared.

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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 3:06pm
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Trains are the safest mode of

Trains are the safest mode of transportation. One accident bumbs the statistics significantly.

But they are pushing hard this idea of PTC which they have already spent billions of dollars and can't find any good research that it would prevent a crash of high speed trains which bt w is not the most likely cause of accidents according to this expert.

This professor wrote a book on casues of train crashes and airplanes. .

I think it was after the MetroNorth Collision that killed over a 100 Congress, with little opposition from railroads, and no cost-benefit analyses, sort of like Department of Homeland Security, passed legislation requiring most railroads to have PTC by 2015, a technology to stop trains by overriding some human mistakes.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/train-wrecks-science-history_b_4373...

Factors that might cause a train to derail interview.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2013/07/25/ctw-spain-train-expert-georg...

Top answer, broken tracks. I can't find anything, as Ruffian suggested, that striking an obstruction would cause it but I'm not going through a 100 years of train accidents.

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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 3:06pm (Reply to #18116)
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Thank You Mr. Fix for your thoughts, however

as you already know, on my first day as governor, I would come out and say: "We are going to drain this swamp of all of the socialists, close down the Evergreen State College, arrest all violent protests and jail them for ten years and start casting out devils." I would be shot within the hour and the person doing the shooting would be seen as a hero. Jim

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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 - 3:23pm
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Trumps Infrastructure Tweet.

Trumps Infrastructure Tweet.

Would you be surprised if I told you it was 100% persuasion using the reverse effect of attention (I'm making the name of the technique up) as well as exaggeration. I don't think anybody has written about it yet.

I'm not shy about lauding Trump with praise for his mind bending tactics and in this case he timed it perfectly and the media fell for it.

He really does control people's minds better than Harry Potter.

He's hypnotizing private sector to start spending and the media to talk about it, so we can talk about it.

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NW VIEW wrote: as you already

NW VIEW wrote:

as you already know, on my first day as governor, I would come out and say: "We are going to drain this swamp of all of the socialists, close down the Evergreen State College, arrest all violent protests and jail them for ten years and start casting out devils." I would be shot within the hour and the person doing the shooting would be seen as a hero. Jim

Would you include any politician that uses tax payer money to train militants in Syria?

Because if NOT, you might get a full 4 years and 4 more.

Me on the other hand....

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Some Jim Stone analysis:

I do not believe the Amtrak was going 80 when it crashed

They are clearly lying. It was obviously a 30 mph train wreck, and it can be easily proven.

Yesterday, witnesses were not saying the train was going between 70 and 80 mph, they just said the crash started so smoothly they were not sure anything was wrong, and then ended with them being thrown. Today, in all witness accounts, they are saying the train was obviously going fast, even in reports which yesterday said no such thing. There is an obvious expungement of facts going on.

The train was not going 80+mph and it is easy to prove.

The cars are not damaged enough, and the death toll is not high enough. Additionally, the cars did not go far enough after the crash. 3 of them stayed on the tracks, with a fourth one off the tracks but not fallen. The stories told by people are not consistent with an 80 mph crash either. From the pictures, the train was going 30. There's plenty of evidence to support this.

The 2013 Santiago derailment in Spain happened at a high speed similar to what is being claimed for this Amtrak crash, and the Santiago train stayed on level ground and killed 77 people.

In the American tale, a high speed Amtrak fell from a high place and landed in traffic, with a perfect dead end to smash into and only 7 people are dead because the train had a good soul and decided to not cross the interstate to bash into the dead end on the other side. THAT'S BULLSHIT. The death toll in the American crash should have been almost everyone aboard and it should have been a crumpled mess on the opposite side of the interstate if the speed was as claimed.

The engine that is still sitting happily on the tracks should have been a bashed up piece of flipped over metal a half mile down the tracks if it did not fall onto the highway. There's no way passenger cars took all the momentum away from it, especially when they were falling out of sight with no way to push back on it. The fact that engine is where it is alone proves the train was going 30. Laughably, the MSM is now calling the engine at the back of the train a "caboose" and not a heavy engine to cover up the fakery of the current story and explain why it is not a half mile down the tracks, past the crash scene. Their fakery with this key info is proof they are reporting based on an agenda, and not the facts.

7 people dead would be an amazingly low number for even a train that was not moving at all falling off an overpass. At first I figured maybe it was going 80, but the next day numbers don't add up, and I was not thinking at all about how on earth that engine stayed on the tracks without blasting right past the crash scene. If that engine stayed on the tracks and the crash happened at 80, you should have seen a lone engine with the train ripped away, sitting on the tracks farther away than you could ever put into context with a picture. It would have gone at least a half mile past the accident even with full brake.

The accident scene does not match up with claims of high speed. It matches up perfectly with Antifa derailing the train at the request of George Soros.

Yesterday some of the MSM reports were saying they found what derailed the train. Those are all gone now. What happened to them? Obviously white wash. You can't go from "we found the obstacle" to "oh, it was going too fast" in the real world, especially with all the rest of the evidence at hand.

What we have with this crash is an act of sabotage, being buried by commies and liberals who just can't admit that the scum they supported had a real and serious impact in the real world, on a train they themselves would ride. We also have a situation where Amtrak would lie, to prevent copycats from doing the same thing.

What would you do if you were Amtrak? Tell the world a bunch of pukes did it, and encourage more, and have 15 more trains off the tracks as a result, or would you rather take the rap, blame the engineer, give him a nice pension and stay on the tracks elsewhere?

I have ridden Amtrak many times. People do not wear seatbelts. There are dining and entertainment areas. People are randomly walking around. And 80 MPH does not turn into 15 mph just because you are on a train. The death and injury toll is way too low, if the train really was going 80+ when it went off the tracks, almost everyone should be dead. This crash should have been worse than the one in Spain that happened a while back. Though the train in spain was going about 30 percent faster than the claimed speed for this Amtrak, it did not fall off a freeway overpass. It stayed on level ground. What's worse? wrecking a car in a corn field or driving one off a cliff? That is literally the difference here.

Due to the circumstance at the scene of the Amtrak crash, the death toll equals ONE THING: the train went off the tracks slowly, and coasted down a steep embankment onto the highway. A few people died because there is no way out of having casualties when a train goes onto an interstate.

1. The media does not want to report the truth, because their pals did it.

2. Amtrak does not want to report the truth, because they don't want more of this.

3. George Soros had a martini.

Put your thinking cap on and look at this photo. None of this train, which was supposedly going 80, made it across the interstate despite a majority of the cars staying on their wheels. How is that possible?

QUESTION: How does a train that is going 80 suddenly stop on top of a highway and on a hillside before the highway and not cross the highway? How does it mostly stay on it's wheels?

ANSWER: George Soros had a martini.

"Gus Ubaldi, a train expert with Robson Forensic, told Patch that's it's possible an object on the tracks caused the derailment. Looking at photos of the wreck, Ubaldi pointed out that the front cars, including the locomotive, were heavily damaged, which might indicate the train hit an object. The caboose was the only car not to derail and appeared largely undamaged.

"I'm beginning to lend credence to the idea that something was on the track," he said. "The track behind the train, it's pristine, there are no marks."

My comment: Since in the universe I come from 80 mph trains take miles to stop and don't pay courtesies to interstates when they wreck, I'd have to agree.

Antifa sabotaged Acela train

It is now confirmed that the train was derailed intentionally by saboteurs, via objects placed on the tracks. Whatever Amtrak says to cover for the people who did it is BULLSHIT. This will probably be covered by the MSM and others as truthfully as Vegas was.

This is huge news so you have probably heard about it -

A high speed Amtrak Acela train derailed onto Interstate 5 in Washington State on it's inaugural run (the first time down the tracks with passengers). These trains are tested on the tracks they are going to operate on numerous times to ensure they are safe.

Antifa took responsibility for the derailment, claiming they put metal on the tracks to derail the train as it was in a turn at 80+ MPH. The train flew off an overpass and landed on I-5.

Amtrak was quick to say (despite reports the train hit something on the tracks) that the train was going too fast (doubt it, GPS would prevent that) and Amtrak also said the tracks did not have a system to override the train operators if they were going too fast (but why would they, when GPS would do that?) If they can put GPS in a rental car they sure as hell can put it in an Amtrak.

At any rate, we can rule out operator error and the lack of an automatic braking mechanism when Antifa themselves said they did it. At around the time antifa said they did it, it was discovered that they posted that they were going to try to derail this train all the way back in April, when it was only being planned to be put in service.

Additionally, CIA run Inspire magazine, which is supposedly for instructing ISIS had an entire issue on how to derail trains, complete with detailed instructions on how to make deraillers to throw trains off the tracks.

GET THIS: GOOGLE, YOUTUBE, AND FACEPLANT THINK IT IS COOL TO CENSOR ALT MEDIA, BUT THEY DID NOT CENSOR ISIS AND LET THESE DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS COME UP ON THE FIRST HIT

AND THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO SAY ANTIFA DID NOT DO IT. I'll tell you why - Because Antifa is Soros funded and belongs to them. George Soros has openly stated he wants to destroy the United States and does nothing but work actively to accomplish it. Why not wipe out a prime train on it's maiden run?

A high percentage of liberal snowflakes took the hit. Yes, those who sympathize with Antifa the most are more likely to be on trains and they just got their butts handed to them on stretchers. The final tally is going to be very high, with the only thing helping keep it down being the fact that the train was not at max capacity. If it had been packed this would have been a lot worse.

https://82.221.129.208/.zo3.html

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