Nothing is being shared at this point as to who shot this plane down.
Dogs of War on Fox are already banging the drum against the Russians.
Prayers for the families. Let's hope they aren't the first casualties of the next war.
No editing the original post. :-(
Looks like they have pre-empted their regular programming to run reports over and over and over...
There were world AIDS experts on board that 17.NWO would not like aids to be cured,that would only INCREASE humanity,cant have that.
Weren't there also experts from China on the earlier missing flight?
I am getting increasingly convinced that USG are bought and paid for full members of " Bastards " !
Ukie fighter aircraft guided that airliner off course to be targeted over separatists ground.All other flights taken avoided that path.
Americans WILL have to stand up sooner rather than later.Who else can do what
has to be done. AWAKE.
If pro-Russian rebels used a captured Ukranian BUK (or a secret system smuggled in from Russia) and fired it from any of the rebel-controlled areas, then MH17 would have been hit, and the wreckage would have traveled far beyond the region it was found.
A BUK M1-2 TELAR (Transport Erect Launch Aquisiton Radar) unit by itself (without the big radar-only truck) can only begin to acquire an approaching target at a range of maybe 15km or so. MH17 would be approaching the launcher at a lateral closing speed of one kilometer every four seconds. That means, at best, the TELAR might begin to see MH17 approaching at 60 seconds out. Let's say it took fifteen seconds to somehow decide it was something they wanted to shoot down and launched a missile. Fifteen more seconds after launch for the missile to travel to and hit the plane. At that time, the MH17 would have been only seven or eight kilometers in front of the launcher, but ten kilometers high and still traveling forward (until hit) at a kilometer every four seconds. It would take well over three minutes for the heaviest pieces to hit the ground, and they would have done that several kilometers beyond the launcher - much further toward the Russian border.
For the wreckage to land where it did, an oncomming plane would have to have been hit by a missile while it was still about 22 or so km away. Twenty seconds for missle flight time to be there means it would have to be launched while the plane was still 27 km away. It would still take a while to be acquired by the radar and identified as 'unfriendly', so you're talking more like 30km+.
30+km is within the capability of a fully-deployed BUK battery with all the TEL and TELAR missile launchers communicating wtih a M1-1 Kupol (Tube Arm/Snow Drift) search and acquisition radar vehicle. Trouble is that the seperatist militia didn't capture an entire battery - they jsut got a couple of TELAR trucks. The TELAR units only have a much smaller Fire Dome radar to use (the bump under the missles). That means, under the most ideal conditions, they would have engaged and hit a approaching target that was a few km, not 30km away. The wreckage from a commercial airliner hit a few km in front of the TELAR would be found a dozen kilometers further downrange.
he destruction of MH-17 happened at a point well beyond the range of any separatist captured BUK TELAR units when you consider the additional acquisition, launch and missile flight times (not simply the stated raw BUK ranges). A BUK TELAR vehicle, by itself, could have shot down MH17, but it would have to have been 10km further into Ukrainian-held territory.
There's people that do a lot better job of explaining the dynamics of a BUK system and can give more precise numbers, but it makes sense at face value. You simply can't shoot down an approaching jet aircraft that far out without the half-dozen or so vehicles working together as a minimum, complete SAM battery. You can't even see the aircraft that far out without a dedicated Kupol search and acquisition radar.
20 July, 2014 18:19