This may be old news but I was shocked at what I found on local craigslist. Commercial quality safes often 2o% of retail prices. If your looking to protect the shiny and get it out of the SDB don't overlook craigslist. I picked up a 2000lb Diebold Tool resistant/torch resistant tl30 safe for a relative for $800.00. Sorry if this has been covered but a true value in my eyes.