Tonight's debate...

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#1 Tue, Oct 18, 2011 - 11:30pm
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Tonight's debate...

Anyone else watch it. I thought Paul did great. He lost the audience when Israel came up but everything else he said was well received by the audience.. Cain's done, imo. Being uninformed isn't a good quality for a presidential candidate. Perry made a valiant effort to put in a bottom, but failed spectacularly. Romney was slick and polished, as usual. The audience seemed to accept his answers tonight and the Mormon thing didn't seem to hurt him too much. He gained some serious ground tonight. Bachmann, I dunno... she won some, she lost some. Newt, the master debator, had his facts straight and was calm, cool and collected. Santorum, he sure don't like him no Romney, do he? that's all I remember about him from tonight.

After it was done I was on twitter and noticed Ron Paul was trending #4 in my area (Boston), so I did an informal scan of twitter trends for some various cities to see if what was happening elsewhere:

(read from bottom up. I've included every city I checked that had at least 1 candidate showing up.)

Phoenix - #6 trend, Cain #8, Newt #9 39 minutes ago Favorite Reply Delete Portland - , Mitt, Newt, Cain, #6, 7, 8, and 9 40 minutes ago Richmond - #5, Cain #7 41 minutes ago Sacramento - , Romoney, Cain #'s 5, 6 and 7 42 minutes ago San Antonio - #4, Cain #6 43 minutes ago San Diego - #5 Cain, #6 , #9 Perry 44 minutes ago Bachmann #6 in San Fran... 44 minutes ago , Cain, Romney, #'s 5, 6 and 8 in Seattle 46 minutes ago #6 trend in St. Louis, Cain #8 48 minutes ago Bachmann #5 in D.C. hmmmm... 48 minutes ago #4 trend in New Orleans, Cain #6 and Perry #7... 49 minutes ago Bachman #9 in Los Angeles.. 50 minutes ago #6 in Vegas! Cain and Romney 7 and 8... 51 minutes ago #7 in Houston, Romney 8 and Cain 9... 52 minutes ago and NY... 54 minutes ago Bachmann #4 in Philly? 54 minutes ago #7 trend in Boston! Overall I'm thinking Paul did great, but Romney will be the anointed one after tonight, although I think Newt might challenge him for that spot down the road. Bachmann and Cain will be around for a while, but both their stars are falling, imo. Perry's and Santorum's as well, but I think they're just about done.
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Tue, Oct 18, 2011 - 11:34pm
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and by the way, moneybomb

and by the way, moneybomb starting at midnight! Black THIS out!

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https://www.blackthisout.com/

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Tue, Oct 18, 2011 - 11:43pm
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TPaine

As of late, you are one of my "go to guys" keeping us abreast and dissecting this for us. Thanks. I cant stomach watching MSM anymore, so I have to rely on the commentary. Nice job.

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"Blessed are those who find wisdom,those who gain understanding, for she is more profitable than silver and yields better returns than gold" Prov 3:13-14
Wed, Oct 19, 2011 - 12:00am (Reply to #3)
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Thanks!

Thanks!

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Wed, Oct 19, 2011 - 1:08am
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BLACK THIS OUT

Wed, Oct 19, 2011 - 1:23am
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Comparing Candidates

Here are things that I saw in this and past debates that are not convincing, and do not pass my logic sniff test. The candidates have need serious explaining to the people.

  • Rick Perry: Gardasil (Merck windfall), tuition breaks for illegals (while talking tough on illegals). 
  • Mitt Romney: Romney-care (mandating people to buy health insurance)
  • Herman Cain: 9-9-9 is not regressive (a lot of BS), 9-9-9 is not VAT tax (some more BS), we should blame gov (and let Fed + Wall Street get away scotch free)
  • Ron Paul: withdrawing military abruptly (will it not accelerate the fall of the empire?)
  • Bachmann, Gingrich, and Santorum: nothing memorable to me, so I didn't try to analyze it. 

Here are issues that I think super important and who address what:

  • Curtailing the private banking cartel's control of government and money: only Ron Paul addresses it. 
  • Out-of-control government spending: Ron Paul looks credible. Romney looks credible in wanting to inflate entitlement away slowly (1-2% entitlement raise vs. 8-10% inflation rate). Other candidates don't care or have not prepared specific plans?
  • Skewed income distribution, top 1% controls 42% of all wealth: Romney's tax-free savings accounts for <200K income addresses this (but at slow speed), Ron Paul addresses this by removing inflation tax, Cain makes it worse (no cut in inflation tax, but increase in effective tax rates for poor & middle income), others have no plan except repealing Obamacare?
  • Trade policy (losing jobs to mercantilistic trade partners): Romney wants industrial policy and possibly tariffs, no credible plans from others yet. 
  • Integrity and honesty: Ron Paul shines here. He refused congressional pension plan because of his conviction that it hurt taxpayers. Body language expert says he does not lie (see video below). Others look only partly honest. Rick Perry looks most like snakes oil salesman, his logic self contradicts. 

Summary: Ron Paul is on the side of the people. He is my first preference. If he loses, I'll vote Romney. 

Body language expert analyzes Ron Paul: 

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Wed, Oct 19, 2011 - 1:29am
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GOP Candidates

Mitt Romney - BIG hypocrit. The guy starts out with a violation of the debate rules by cross examining Herman Cain. Then, he complains to Perry that he interrupts.

Perry - Calling Herman Cain a "brother"? What a moron.

Santorum - last gasp

Ron Paul - The only sane guy in the house, except some of Cain's ideas. He's also the only guy who's been on message consistently over 20 years.

Cain - The only minority in the house, literally, on stage and in the entire audience. Does CNN send out invitations to any non-white viewers? LOL. Not that Cain cares... he's got no political experience in elected office.

Bachman - more like botched again.

what a joke of a debate

Wed, Oct 19, 2011 - 1:49am
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Mitt Romney

Mitt Romney reminds of toddlers and tiaras

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66xsGuN-ZGI&feature=related

Wed, Oct 19, 2011 - 12:00pm
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"experts" declare Romney

"experts" declare Romney winner.

TeaParty declares "Romney and Perry still fake, Newt smart but not trustworthy, Cain wants taxes, Ron Paul most honest as usual."

https://windham.patch.com/articles/who-won-the-gop-debate-2074456dbedfor...

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Wed, Oct 19, 2011 - 12:48pm
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Ron Paul did a great job last

Ron Paul did a great job last night, and he actually got a reasonable amount of time (probably due to the recent distribution of his economic plan). It was pretty lame that they didn't let him give closing remarks like the others, though. I also thought it was pretty interesting that the other candidates seemed eager to talk to RP after the debate. Don't know if you heard, but Rick Santorum started it off by walking over and pointing out "You didn't get to answer the last question" immediately after the debate ended.

 I can understand that some people will disagree with Dr Paul's ideas, but his consistency is unquestionable. Given their flip-flopping records, I don't see how anyone can feel confident that Romney, Cain, or Perry will follow through with their campaign promises. 

Wed, Oct 19, 2011 - 12:48pm
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My thoughts FWIW: Perry - I

My thoughts FWIW:

Perry - I remember watching the space shuttle Challenger explode live on TV shortly after launch. I think it's a fitting analogy to Perry's campaign. He's done. Holy shit is this guy tone deaf.

Romney - I wonder if his face muscles hurt after two hours of practiced, forced smiling/poker face. The dude is a robot. I think he looked a little desperate at times tonight. He looked downright grateful that Paul didn't take the bait and hammer him on the Wall Street funding of his campaign.

Cain - Bwahahaha. He got raped. 999 didn't get mentioned again after the initial beatdown.

Santorum - Looked somewhat human tonight (he didn't froth at the mouth too much), but it doesn't matter. People already know he's not the guy.

Bachmann - Back to Congress. Thanks for the entertainment (Randy Travis @ Iowa straw poll).

Gingrich - Probably looking better to the GOP base as the other machine hopefuls expose their warts.

Paul - I know some have lamented some of his later answers re: Israel, but I thought he gave a very strong performance. Probably his best debate showing yet. He was passionate and forceful when he spoke. He didn't look like he was bored to be the only serious guy standing in the center ring of the circus while the others performed around him.

Wed, Oct 19, 2011 - 4:00pm
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This ad ran a couple times

This ad ran a couple times just prior to the debate. Good stuff...

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