is closing Dutch accounts

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#1 Tue, Sep 27, 2011 - 3:21am
Joined: Jun 15, 2011
60 is closing Dutch accounts

Dammit! I just received a message from that they have to cancel ALL DUTCH ACCOUNTS due to the fact that the Dutch authorities have put some legal bullshit on them. was contacted on 27th of january on this.

And NOW has decided to break the news and force Dutch customers to close their accounts before the end of October. After a f-ing price drop of 30% in silver and 15% in gold. The timing seems shady to me to say the least.

Had 30% profits on my "Physical" account till last week (I started the beginning of january), so I'm pretty pissed off.

Could this be a precursor to other countries attacking the ownership of "physical"?


Dear Valued Customer,

It is with tremendous regret that I am writing to inform you
of our recent decision to discontinue offering our services
to all customers resident in the Netherlands. Please note,
we at GoldMoney have explored all possible options to
prevent this outcome, and this is not a decision we have
taken lightly. This position is unique to the Netherlands,
and unfortunately because you are resident in the
Netherlands, you are one of those affected, which we very
much regret. Kindly allow me to explain our position:

On 27 January 2011, we were contacted by the Autoriteit
Financiële Markten (AFM), the Netherlands financial
regulator, which indicated that, in its view, GoldMoney was
"offering investment objects in the Netherlands without a
licence" in breach of Section 2:55 of the Netherlands
Financial Supervision Act (Wet op het financieel toezicht,
Wft). At the end of 2010, the AFM first announced publicly
its policy viewpoint that investments in precious metals
could - under certain circumstances - be characterised as
offering of investment objects. The AFM demanded that we
cease to do so until we agreed to subject our business to
their regulation by applying for a licence as an offeror of
investment objects within the meaning of Section 2:55 Wft.
Although we disagreed with the AFM's assessment, we
voluntarily offered to stop accepting new
Netherlands-resident customers as of 1 February 2011 until
we could resolve this matter with the AFM.

We have dedicated the last few months to working with our
Netherlands lawyers to present our case to the AFM, namely
that precious metals are not included within the concept of
"investment objects" regulated by the AFM, and that, in any
case, Netherlands regulation is not applicable to GoldMoney
because we do business in Jersey, rather than within the
Netherlands. Unfortunately, we have been unsuccessful in
changing the AFM's view on this matter. As we do not want to
subject ourselves, and by extension our customers, to
unnecessary and unpredictable regulatory requirements, we
have reached the difficult conclusion that the only way to
resolve this situation is to cease all business with
Netherlands-resident customers.

We intend to resolve this issue and return to doing business
with residents in the Netherlands in the future. Should this
be the case we will make an announcement. But in the
meantime, unfortunately, I am very sorry to inform you that
we are unable to offer you our services any longer. Subject
to article 10-A of our Customer Agreement, we will require
you to close your GoldMoney Holding. This is to occur no
later than the close of business on Monday 31 October 2011.
We have outlined below a number of possible options for how
you may liquidate your current position, including the
physical delivery of small gold bars to your home address or
a sale to cash with a free transfer of the proceeds to your
bank account.

By offering you the option to take physical delivery of your
gold, we hope to fulfil your expectations with regards to
the physical ownership of your metals. We thank you for your
business and the trust you have placed in us.

Geoff Turk
CEO - GoldMoney


Edited by: modi on Nov 8, 2014 - 5:13am
Tue, Sep 27, 2011 - 4:58am
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

AFM/DNB situation

The Dutch AFM (Autoriteit Financiële Markten, or, Authority for the Financial Markets, better known as our own fucked up and not quite working SEC) has been behind pushing people and organizations out of gold for quite a while. The Goldmoney problem has been in development for a while now.

It started when the DNB (Dutch National Bank, our own more benign FED) and the AFM forced a pension fund to liquidate their gold holdings because it was investing too much in gold, which was believed to be too volatile. Of course, our own stock market plunged about 50% in the time that gold soared about 500%, but stocks are so much better, uhuh. After that the whole bullshit started with the AFM trying to force people out of their private gold holdings through venues such as

The Netherlands is bloody good at over-regulation and believing that it's citizens are a bunch of idiots who need to be protected from themselves.

Tue, Sep 27, 2011 - 6:05am Fleve
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

I am disgusted too by the

I am disgusted too by the order against goldmoney and the court ruling against the pension fund.

Tue, Sep 27, 2011 - 6:21am
Joined: Jun 14, 2011

Sorry to hear, wait minute,

Sorry to hear,

wait minute, you had your money in gold right? so just let them send you the physical

next time just use a proper vehicle like CEF or PHYS or PSLV on a real broker account.

Give lynx/ interactive brokers a shot, or open a trade account at your own bank.

Tue, Sep 27, 2011 - 7:14am zilverreiger
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

re zilverreiger's comment

Luckily I have no positions at goldmoney currently, but was planning to use them in the future. I liked goldmoney for access to the allocated bullion. Do the CEF or PHYS or PSLV offer allocated bullions?

Tue, Sep 27, 2011 - 8:43am
Joined: Jun 14, 2011

of the paper gold and silver

of the paper gold and silver they are considered better backed than SLV or GLD

Tue, Sep 27, 2011 - 8:58am zilverreiger
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

paper gold and silver

For paper trading I use forex brokers and trade with their CFDs on PMs. I am wondering if trading if ETFs contracts via the lynx/interactive brokers offers any benefits. MT4 gives a possibility to automate certain functions, but this is a different subject altogether...

Tue, Sep 27, 2011 - 10:42am
Lowland Man
Joined: Jun 15, 2011


Had the same email today. The AFM treats people like idiots. Where were they when they country got flooded with 'woekerpolissen'?

Found an alternative with GM, and now the m'f'ckers closing this door also.

Time to leave