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#1 Wed, Aug 17, 2011 - 3:04pm
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9/11

Hey everyone,

The old thread was locked right before I wanted to comment and add something to the discussion. I would assume that many of you are financial minded and are interested in the business side of things, and I think you may like the interviews with Whistleblower Richard Andrew Groves. Here are a few links that I got from google, including the interview that basically explains it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3erD4QyhCQ8

https://tragedyandhope.com/

https://ourworldinbalance.blogspot.com/2006/04/story-of-richard-andrew-grove.html

Let me know what you make of this, and if this can help connect any dots that you may have discovered in your readings. 

Here is another whistleblower, but more related to the Iraq war and foresight into 9/11. It's about a CIA agent named Susan Lindaur who was the asset assigned to Iraq, prior to the war. She sheds light on some of our motives and makes it clear that the US has prior knowledge of the attacks.

https://theintelhubradio.com/2011/01/28/susan-lindauer-911-iraq-war-revelations/

I didn't listen to this specific interview, I heard one back in February right after she became big on the internet due to her new book. I think this is the same one, but researching her story is enough to get you going for a while. 

These are 2 sources that I would say are pretty credible, at least I hope so.

Have any of you heard these stories, and if so, what do you make of them?

Edited by: Spencer on Nov 8, 2014 - 5:24am
Wed, Aug 17, 2011 - 3:11pm
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PS, to a lot of the skeptics

PS, to a lot of the skeptics out there, just because you cannot fathom the magnitude of this crime, doesnt mean you should stick your head in the sand. When I was first told about 911 by a good friend, I told him he as fucking nuts and I left the room. Now, after doing many many hours of research, I can confidently, and sadly, say that I have no doubts that the planes did not take those towers down. I don't really speculate why or who organized this, but I must accept that this was planned out before hand, and, in turn, it was the main reason for our recent wars in the middle east. Some guys had the power and ability to do this, and they had the motive. It happened, but I don't who, maybe super-elites who control both parties.

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Wed, Aug 17, 2011 - 5:12pm (Reply to #2)
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Thanks for starting a new

Thanks for starting a new thread Spencer. Not quite sure what admin was upset about, whatever.

My experience was very similar to yours. The initial knee jerk reaction when a paradigm is questioned about something so horrid seems to be anger, or disgust. It takes an open minded, brave, and intellectually honest person to change their viewpoint regarding such a horrible act. Kudos to all of us that have decided to take the Red Pill.

There are too many inconsistencies and hard facts to make the official version of events feasible. I look at the events surrounding the wtc7 collapse as the smoking gun from that horrible day. When introducing new people to the "9/11 truth movement" this is always my starting point. The fact that thousands of reputable architects, engineers, scientists, pilots, veterans have all risked their careers and reputations to speak out, is also very hard to ignore.

https://www.ae911truth.org/

If anyone should be listened to, it is the families of the victims, and the eyewitnesses from ground zero whose testimony varies greatly from the official story,(those that are still living).

The testimony of Barry Jennings, former head of the Office of Emergency Management, about his experience from INSIDE building 7 that day was very powerful. Why did Mr. Jennings die suddenly 2 days before the NIST final report was released? Why was no obituary, or cause of death ever released? This story is worth looking into to say the least.

https://jenningsmystery.com/

Thanks again Spencer.

Thu, Aug 18, 2011 - 1:00am (Reply to #3)
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Topic locking

Hugh G Rection wrote:

Thanks for starting a new thread Spencer. Not quite sure what admin was upset about, whatever.

We do our best to explain why topics are locked, etc., and I guess people don't read the notices. The topic was locked because spammers were hitting it over and over again. Not because of the content. I'll post a link to this new topic in the old one. No conspiracy here! :-)

Thu, Aug 18, 2011 - 10:40am
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What do you mean spam?  jk

What do you mean spam? jk can you please remove this and the comment above?

Thanks,


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Thu, Aug 18, 2011 - 12:29pm (Reply to #5)
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Ahh, I got ya.  Damn

Ahh, I got ya. Damn spammers.

Sat, Aug 20, 2011 - 5:34am (Reply to #6)
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George Washington's Blog

George Washington as an interesting article posted on Zerohedge today about 9/11. 

I am not sure what the facts are that day but I do not believe what the US government has told me. 

Sat, Aug 20, 2011 - 1:16pm (Reply to #7)
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@ Fred

I saw that post last night, then proceeded to stay up till 4am reading the comments and watching the 2hour AEtruth documentary again. I can't believe we're almost to the 10yr anniversary and the sheeple still believe such a ridiculous lie. I guess the blue pill is easier. Posted the link to GWs post.

https://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/these-people-are-all-crazy-arent-they

Mon, Aug 22, 2011 - 7:42am
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"I can't believe we're almost

"I can't believe we're almost to the 10yr anniversary and the sheeple still believe such a ridiculous lie."

There are many many inexplicable events from that day but I've had an open mind on it for some time, and tended more towards the official than the conspiracy line. Not sure what your theory is but this is not because I'm a sheep but because the conspiracy theories put forward for thermite and/or controlled demolition are a bit, and only a bit, more plausible than the utterly ridiculous pancake theory from an engineering/physics viewpoint but in addition require the added layer of a massive conspiracy requiring lots of totally implausible secret keeping and reliance on chance and events way outside of the alleged perpetrators control - you'd have more luck trying to rob the vault of a Las Vagas casino using the plot to Ocean's Eleven. The idea that professionals rigged all the buildings with explosives in the weeks before the attack is simply ludicrous. A lot of these are I think disinformation - Stephen Jones, don't trust him at all.

However, although I don't agree that the tv footage that day was faked and some other stuff he seem sure about, yesterday on the sofa with a hangover I came across this guy Dimitri Khalezov. He explains in some detail how the collapses and the totally ridiculous reduction of steel to dust could have come about with an underground nuclear explosion. This is the first video in a series of 26 - to me it explains a lot, or maybe all, of the collapse related weirdness from that day.

911 WTC nuclear demolition Dimitri Khalezov part01

Google him - he has websites too. Scary scary stuff.

https://www.nuclear-demolition.com/controlled-demolition-wtc-nuclear-dem...

Mon, Aug 22, 2011 - 7:06pm (Reply to #9)
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"but in addition require the

"but in addition require the added layer of a massive conspiracy requiring lots of totally implausible secret keeping and reliance on chance and events way outside of the alleged perpetrators control - you'd have more luck trying to rob the vault of a Las Vagas casino using the plot to Ocean's Eleven. The idea that professionals rigged all the buildings with explosives in the weeks before the attack is simply ludicrous."

In the upper echelon of government and alphabet agencies everything is compartmentalized, individuals are kept in the dark, on a need to know basis. Once you come to terms with the wtc7 demolition, there are no other possibilities besides rigging with explosives. Click the link to GWs post on zerohedge for more on that. It is far more ludicrous that building 7 fell at freefall into its own footprint due to office fires and debris hitting the SW corner.

As far as access to the buildings goes, just look into the power-down of the WTC complex in the weeks leading up to 9/11, the elevator modernization project just prior to 9/11, and the company handling the security at the complex, securacom.

https://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html

https://www.metacafe.com/watch/339746/power_down_in_trade_centers_weeken...

Sun, Sep 4, 2011 - 5:06pm (Reply to #10)
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Remembering 9/11

Hi all

As a UK citizen obviously our coverage of this world disaster has been different from yours. The UK is already showing documentaries from 1st Sept in commemoration of it. Now I have my theories (have done much internet research - like many others) but the first programme they showed here was a story of the NYFD on that day. It was a really saddening documentary and I learned alot - like the first fireman to die was hit by a falling person from the buildings :(

Edited to add this is the programme for those who wish to view it & will only be available for a few days from today if at all to the US (but be warned the coverage is probably more than you have been allowed to see in the US)

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/911-the-tenth-anniversary/4od#3226023

How I was left feeling was - that whatever the cause of that days events - many public officers (I am a nurse so consider myself one of that group) unnecessarily lost their life because of that event (343 in total I believe) and I am saddened by that.

Just wanted to share as that was the thoughts going through my mind as I watched it.

My thoughts go out to anyone affected by this attack on the US & the international community working within the Twin Towers

Lou

Offered in the spirit of Parkinson's laws: The more amiability and espirit de corps amongst members of a policy-making in-group, the greater the danger that independent critical thinking will be replaced by groupthink, which is likely to result in irrational and dehumanizing actions directed towards out-groups (I. Janis, 1972)
Sun, Sep 4, 2011 - 10:01pm
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a huge number of reputable people discount the official story

I swing trade by the seat of my pants, but I do make a little profit somehow. Any comments I make about my trades should be taken with a grain of salt, and maybe as a contrarian indicator.
Mon, Sep 5, 2011 - 2:28am (Reply to #9)
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Assumptions

Kid Salami wrote:

… but in addition require the added layer of a massive conspiracy requiring lots of totally implausible secret keeping and reliance on chance and events way outside of the alleged perpetrators control - you'd have more luck trying to rob the vault of a Las Vagas casino using the plot to Ocean's Eleven. The idea that professionals rigged all the buildings with explosives in the weeks before the attack is simply ludicrous. A lot of these are I think disinformation - Stephen Jones, don't trust him at all.

You make assumptions and that's all they are. You assume they would need a massive number of people to pull this off. I would think you could do it with a handful of 'need to know' people, and if you're capable of pulling off an event such as this, you're also capable of permanently silencing said handful.

As far as rigging the buildings - would not have been THAT difficult to do what with the nanothermite which WAS FOUND in dust & debris from 9/11.

https://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html

BTW - iron rich micro-spheres were also found in the debris - which indicates metal was heated to the point of vaporization - pretty good trick for airplane fuel eh?

You also assume everything went off according to plan - well, it didn't. That third plane, which was probably supposed to be flown into Bldg 7 as a pretext for it's demolition - was unexpectedly shot down, which has made the collapse of WT7 a little more difficult to explain.

But then again, TPTB who put this whole thing together have little to worry about. People have been well trained to show disdain towards anybody who questions the 'official' story. Don't believe me? Just try bringing it up in the main thread here and you will get all sorts of people - including supposed 'rocket scientists', who will scoff and complain at how embarrassing it is to have to read such crap and what a gullible fool you must be to be taken in by such drivel.

Well, to me, the ones being taken in by drivel are the ones who think a handful of Saudi's armed with box-cutters caused THREE buildings to collapse at free-fall speed into their footprints using TWO airplanes - buildings that were built to withstand the impact of commercial airliners no less. I've lost so much respect for people who think this is a perfectly rational explanation it's not even funny anymore.

Mon, Sep 5, 2011 - 3:25am
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This is nothing but history

This is nothing but history repeating itself. Remember the Reichtag Fire? Same thing. 9/11 was pulled off in order to set up the complete police state crackdown we now have, ready for the "End of the Great Keynesian Experiment". All the control systems have been put in place, or are in process ahead of the collapse.

Mon, Sep 5, 2011 - 3:30am
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The "international community"

The "international community" had it coming.

But its extra sad this was obviously at least a "let it happen" event.

As far as the event itself the direct grief and loss pales in comparison to the amount our system causes even each day to the rest of the world.

We should keep our eyes open because emotion laden events like these are used to shape directions of countries. (all it takes is to get 51% of sheeple's noses turned in the same direction briefly) I think more of these staged media shows are in the pipeline.

Mon, Sep 5, 2011 - 9:30am
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One thing tells you 9\11 is fishy...

The government, yes...the GOVERNMENT...settled with EVERYONE. No lawsuits, no "investigations" done by private investigators. Everything was picked up and melted as scrap...sold abroad actually...so a REAL investigation could never happen.

That alone shows conspiracy. Why is the government responsible...at all? How is it "the taxpayers fault"? An investigation WOULD show how the government is involved.

Mon, Sep 5, 2011 - 10:48am (Reply to #16)
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Belief is the key word

When someone says they 'believe' the official 9-11 story, 'believe' is the key word - as in 'hold to a conclusion despite facts and evidence.'

Best no-nonsense site overall IMO:

9-11 Review: A Resource for Understanding the 9/11/01 Attack Understanding 9-11 as PsyOp: Apocalypse of Coercion: Why We Listen to What “They” Say About 9/11 The only people who could have done it, and how: Stranger than Fiction and The Crime Network that did 9-11
Mon, Sep 5, 2011 - 11:21am
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The further you look

The further down the rabbit hole you look, the less believable the official story becomes. Everyone I know that has done their research has come to the same conclusion: The official story is bullshit. 9/11 was a false flag operation.

Mon, Sep 5, 2011 - 4:18pm
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Think for yourselves

On the morning of 9/11/01, I watched the news coverage from my house which was in the final few weeks of a summer-long remodel. All of the tradesmen (and women) working at my house stopped what they were doing to watch the live coverage on TV. After watching the first tower collapse, I left because I had to attend a company management retreat. My drive time was 4+ hours, so I had plenty of time to mull over the events of that morning. No radio, no phone, only music and my own thoughts. I practice engineering for a living, so you might imagine how I was struggling to reconcile the events I had witnessed with the commentary and reports that I heard coming from the mouths of talking heads. As I watched the first tower come down, I immediately thought that it was the result of a controlled demolition. During the drive, all the other questions came flooding into my mind, such as who and why. I answered them honestly, to myself and to the extent that I was able given the limited amount of information available. I came to the conclusion that some insidious plan had been executed that morning and that it was facilitated by people here in the USA. I did not suspect the complicity of our own government until much later. But when I arrived at my destination that afternoon, I encountered what was, for me, the most frightening revelation of the day. Intelligent people, educated in science and engineering, were not asking questions but were espousing the "pancake theory" of the building collapse and vitriolic hatred toward the Muslim world. They were parroting what they heard the TV news commentators and government officials saying without thinking for themselves. Any respect I had for those people was lost. I realize now that people who refuse to think for themselves are not just stupid or lazy, they are cowards.

Mon, Sep 5, 2011 - 6:09pm
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Opinions ....

Everyone is entitled to their opinions which are primarily derived from their belief system. How anyone can see the manipulation in the precious metal markets yet not see the manipulation in the official 9/11 story is beyond comprehension to me. People here on this blog believe the "financial" markets are manipulated by Wall street's best but these same people believe the official 9/11 story. Sorry, this doesn't compute with me. Normalcy bias at its finest! You either "get it" or you don't.

Mon, Sep 5, 2011 - 7:58pm
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@WineGuy

The problem is, it is easy to believe in greed, but something as dastardly as 9/11 is too much for many people to open themselves up to believing - it's simply too outrageous for them to consider, so they are willing to accept all sorts of inane, spurious, weak "official" explanations because to doubt the official story is opening a Pandora's box.

That's why you get so much anger from people who think anybody who has concerns about 9/11 has to be some sort of 'kook' to doubt the official story.

It's pure cognitive dissonance, and it's sad.

I firmly believe one day the true story of what happened on 9/11 will become public, unfortunately, I don't think that will happen in our lifetime.

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