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Thu, Jul 24, 2014 - 11:05am
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Private messages!

It has been wonderful to hear from some on the private messages postings. It is unfortunate that all can not view these great posts, concepts and thoughts together. When we are at the picnic table, things will flow better. However, I will answer one post to a great brother without telling the question. It is summed up well in Watchman Nee's book "The ministry of God's Word", page 214:

We need the Lord to so work in our lives that our feeling is brought to a delicate state. We will have to be broken before our feeling will turn tender. In reading the bible we not only see the life experiences of the writers and the thoughts of the Holy Spirit; we touch many of their spiritual feelings as well. The emotions of those who ministered the word of the bible came forth with their words. This ought to be the same with us.

Should our feeling fail to accompany our word, we cannot expect our audience to hear us attentively. If our outward man has not been broken by the hand of God our feeling cannot be tender and delicate, for there is no wound, there has been no suffering. Where there is tender feeling, there must be wounds and suffering. The grain must be ground and broken before the powder can be fine. Under pressure, the one grain of wheat is no longer a single grain. It has become three, five, seven, even a hundred particles. It now is truly fine. The more the wounds and deeper the suffering, the finer the feeling. Never anticipate fineness in sensitivity if you expect no wounds, if you experience no suffering before God. To have wounds you must be dealt with."

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Mr. Fix...SBNR...

Mr. Fix wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/us/examining-the-growth-of-the-spirit...

describes my belief system...to a "T" for TRUTH!...However...if I need to join a collective...I will stand with "The Christians"!!!...

https://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2014/07/24/paul-mcguire-on-the-h...

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Thu, Jul 24, 2014 - 12:49pm
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enjoying this discussion

i have been lurking here and watching(reading) with great interest your discussion of God's Word. i am unsure where this document fits into the discussion but felt the 23rd psalm and the Lords's Prayer would qualify it for this thread.

https://neopa.net/NV3P/resources/Declaration-of-public-trust.pdf

Thank you to all for the effort to share your thoughts

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Thu, Jul 24, 2014 - 8:03pm
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Psalm 51

Psalm 51 was written by David... Kind David.... A King over Israel and he was “a man after God's own Heart" the bible says. Well this great David was a mighty King, but he was also a sinner as well, just as we all are.

David saw a woman named ‘Bathsheba’, coveted her, and then committed adultery with her.

She became pregnant with child, so he then to cover his sin, he lied and had her husband and his good friend Uriah brought home from war, with hope’s he would sleep with her in order to cover his tracks. Uriah would not because he was a brave man, and did not feel it right to sleep with his wife, while others were off fighting and dying in Israel’s wars.

This didn't stop David so lied again, as he concocted a plan to have Uriah murdered by putting him in the heat of battle, and he then gave the orders to have the other troops withdrawn at the heat of battle, ensuring Uriah would be killed, and his secret would be safe.

David, King David; ……… coveted, committed adultery, lied, and murdered his good friend.

In the end David was exposed when the Lord sent Nathan to confront him. 2 Sam 12

We may be ready from a human perspective to cast this guy off the cliff, but listen closely to the Psalm he wrote as he laments and repents of his deeds and action, contained in Psalm 51 and the Lords response to such.

This rendition of 'Psalm 51' is by the 'Sons of Korah’ who are a modern Australian band that puts the psalms to music, just as the ‘Sons of Korah’ of old did.

Open to Psalm 51, follow along and listen to this beautiful Psalm and the cry of David’s repentant heart. It is reflective of the Heart attitude God seeks to produce in us all, regardless of the wrongs or sins we have done.

Sons of Korah Psalm 51 A Sketch Montage

"The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise". Psalm 51:17.

Great posts by all.

Thu, Jul 24, 2014 - 9:19pm
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^ Open and follow along

Do that! I did. So closely (and my words don't match exactly - KJV) that I had to watch it again to even see the visual, or that the words are there.

Thank you!

Thu, Jul 24, 2014 - 10:54pm
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A flash mob from the past !

Yes this has been posted in the past but there is a remnant Church that still seek Him and they may be hidden in the crowd!

Christmas Food Court Flash Mob, Hallelujah Chorus - Must See!
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Turning Pages

First, from The Pilgrim Church, https://thejesusway.info/pdf/PilgrimChurch/PilgrimChurchVer-0200-beta.pdf

page 15, from

'One, whose name is unknown, writing in the second century to an inquirer named Diognetus'...

By what other one was it possible that we, the wicked and ungodly, could be justified, than by the only Son of God? O sweet exchange! O unsearchable operation! O benefits surpassing all expectation! that the wickedness of many should be hid in a single righteous One, and that the righteousness of One should justify many transgressors!"

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Now, the rest of the Bible references, picking up at page 6 -

Acts 20 is long, I won't put it all here, but I'm glad I read it. Here's part. Acts 20 “... Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. 26 Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you. 27 For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. 28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31 So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.

32 “Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified. 33 I have not coveted anyone’s silver or gold or clothing. 34 You yourselves know that these hands of mine have supplied my own needs and the needs of my companions. 35 In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’ ”

36 When Paul had finished speaking, he knelt down with all of them and prayed. 37 They all wept as they embraced him and kissed him. 38 What grieved them most was his statement that they would never see his face again. Then they accompanied him to the ship.”

Note on Paul - "Concerning the time, place, and manner of his death, we have little certainty. It is commonly believed that, when a general persecution was raised against the Christians by Nero, about A.D. 64, under pretence that they had set Rome on fire, both St. Paul and St. Peter then sealed the truth with their blood; the latter being crucified with his head downward; the former being beheaded, either in A.D. 64 or 65, and buried in the Via Ostiensis.” https://www.biblestudy.org/question/sauldie.html

1 Peter 1. 1 “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia”

Acts 18. 2 “There he met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them, “

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And again, from The Pilgrim Church, page 15,

Thus the Roman Empire was overcome by the devotion to the Lord Jesus of those who knew Him. Their patient, unresisting endurance had changed the bitter hostility and hatred of the Roman world, first into pity, and then into admiration.”

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Thank you all for reading along adding your perspective!

Thank you in particular to NW View. Bless you and your family. One day, I hope to repay you with a full table. And then ask the next favor - To be dunked in the waterfall!

Fri, Jul 25, 2014 - 10:21am
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Could we travel with Polycarp?

Yes Polycarp is in chapter one but there is so much more to his life. How could we ever, by sitting on a pew, come to the place where we could walk along with him?

https://www.christianhistoryinstitute.org/study/module/polycarp/

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Fri, Jul 25, 2014 - 10:35am (Reply to #723)
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NW VIEW-- Flash Mob

Thanks for posting, this was done at a mall in the city I live in. It brought back great memories when you posted

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Fri, Jul 25, 2014 - 10:37am (Reply to #724)
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@ IRB

Well IRB, we can all see that you are really changing in your postings, here and in the Zionism forum. Something wonderful is happening within your life and views and we all need that.

I really like your last line on the above post"One day, I hope to repay you with a full table. And then ask the favor - To be dunked in the waterfall". Now that is a blessing. It is possible. This site could develop to the place where a picnic is planned somewhere in the USA and we could bring our ribs and potato salad for a feast. We could talk about the Kingdom, make sure all have received Him within and walk into the local waterfall, our Jordan, and have a major event of our lifetimes. We will not aim anyone to a local steeple house nor give them a certificate of baptism. I'm ready when the brethren are ready.

Story time; I was teaching/preaching in Singapore many years ago and many were saved but it was late in the evening. Many wanted to be water baptized and we were in a high rise apartment. So we headed out to the beach and surf. Oh we had a glorious time. Well, the local divided steeple houses found out what we had done and they we really upset. They wanted those new convert to join their systems and become members. They said that our baptism was not valid because it was not done by clergy and in a system. THEY WERE MAD! They finally have group meetings among themselves and decided that they could not overturn the baptisms. Now this shows us how the enemy has invaded the divisions.

Well, when those seeking are ready, the water will flow!

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Fri, Jul 25, 2014 - 12:36pm
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Christ in you

Meriam Ibrahim and her American family are now safe and free! Early this morning Italian government officials escorted Meriam and her family from the U.S. embassy out of Sudan and into Italy. Meriam and her young children Martin and Maya have now gone from death row because of her Christian faith to safety and freedom outside Sudan. This is a huge victory for religious liberty. Your voice was heard and Meriam is now free. They are expected to return to the U.S. in the coming days. Read the Story of Meriam’s Freedom. https://aclj.org/sharia-law/victory-meriam-ibrahim-her-american-family-s... Thank you for your prayers, and please share this powerful story. Jordan Sekulow ACLJ Executive Director Are you familiar with this story? This is so much to be said about Meriam. Her punishment for marrying a Christian man was not just death. She also was to receive 100 lashes. This woman was 9 months pregnant awaiting her fate in a Sudan prison. They allowed her to give birth first. They offered her freedom if she denied her faith but she refused. She said they could do what ever they wanted to her but she would not renounce Christ. Christians all over the world spoke up/prayed. She was miraculously set free but not without roadblocks. I am so effected by this story. Probably because I was awake many nights praying for her. We all have challenges. I can't imagine what Meriam experienced in this trial. She would have died yes, but she would have left two small children in the hands on Muslims. James:1:2-4 Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith developed perseverance. Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. I like the part "not lacking anything" But.."Consider it all joy"…. Galatians 2: 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Colossians 1: 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of Glory. The kind of faith and steadfastness demonstrated by Meriam was accomplished by having Christ in her. How can we be ready for anything if we don't know this Christ and have Him living within? Where is this taught?

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@ SWM

That is a great word and reminder. You say "where is this taught' well it is here. Thanks again.

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... happening here ...

Thank you for the kind words. NW View, small parts of your big help to me are there to see for people reading . I would be remiss, though, if I didn't also make public what my Brother Stackaloha did for me. I'm not even sure he'd want me to, but asking permission didn't feel right to me. He did for me what I think it is we're supposed to do when we can be at our very best. He reached out to me directly, on a personal level. Nothing felt abstract at all, and no 'wall' I had left could block me from seeing that he genuinely and personally wanted this for me. A million different things brought me to where I was ready to hear, and once I could it was Stackaloha's voice I heard. And I also know that he's recently made a move back to the mainland. A time like that, getting settled living and working, is bound to have challenges. I would like to ask anyone who could, to join me in including Stackaloha in their prayers. Thank you all.

Sat, Jul 26, 2014 - 9:11am
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The BooK of Joel!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel+2%3A28-29&version=NIV;KJV

Yes it says that the old men will dream dreams in the last days and I must be one of those many to dream them! I had a very interesting one last night and I knew it was connected with this thread:

The wife and I were back in our old high school community and we were invited guests at the local school. I was asked to teach a class and they thought I was a teacher. As we left the school yard, I noticed that I had my old Honda 55 trail bike and that was all we had for transportation. I also noticed that there were several young adults around the bike. We had a seven mile journey to travel to get home and as I started the bike, it just would run a bit. I pushed it to a gas station, opened the gas cap and someone had filled the tank with sawdust. I knew the enemy was upset with the things we had taught at the school and he was there to stop any progress. I started to clean out the piles of sawdust so we could go forward and go to our home destination and then the dream came to an end.

I knew instantly as my eye were opened that this was a warning message. Let him that has ears hear.

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Sat, Jul 26, 2014 - 2:15pm
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Happy Saturday, Everyone

I went to a beautiful place in the woods yesterday with my dear dog to sit and read. A couple of teenagers came by making noise and distracting me, I felt irritation for a moment. But then I said hi, and we exchanged some friendly words. The second time, I didn't even feel 'interrupted' at all, even though I had to stop reading for a minute. A father hiking through the woods with his two little girls smiled at me, and we talked, and the little girl pet my dog and giggled. He loves that.

One thing I'm finding as I read the Bible more, is that no matter which page I turn to, no matter which part of Scripture is mentioned by another, when I read it, it has meaning. I'm not always sure what the meaning is, and I'm sure that my understandings will grow and change. But, regardless of my limitations, there is not a hollow word in the Book. Not one. And now I understand how people can spend a lifetime reading the same book and never feel that they've 'finished it'.

Joel 15 Blow the trumpet in Zion,
declare a holy fast,
call a sacred assembly.
16 Gather the people,
consecrate the assembly;
bring together the elders,
gather the children,
those nursing at the breast.
Let the bridegroom leave his room
and the bride her chamber.
17 Let the priests, who minister before the Lord,
weep between the portico and the altar.
Let them say, “Spare your people, Lord.
Do not make your inheritance an object of scorn,
a byword among the nations.
Why should they say among the peoples,
‘Where is their God?’”

The Lord’s Answer

18 Then the Lord was jealous for his land
and took pity on his people.

19 The Lord replied to them:

“I am sending you grain, new wine and olive oil,
enough to satisfy you fully;
never again will I make you
an object of scorn to the nations.

Luke 5:36 He told them this parable: “No one tears a piece out of a new garment to patch an old one. Otherwise, they will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. 37 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the new wine will burst the skins; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. 38 No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. 39 And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, ‘The old is better.’”

Luke 6:39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.

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That is truth...

But, regardless of my limitations, there is not a hollow word in the Book. Not one.

"16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

What blows my mind is how when one really begins to study the Bible, it all starts to fit together, and you begin to see the glorious attributes of God!

Sat, Jul 26, 2014 - 5:26pm
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Almost Sunday in Jerusalem!

Well, the book club will be starting chapter 2 and soon. There are some big concepts and items that need to be viewed in this chapter. So I thought to start with some basics:

AUGUSTINE

https://thejesusway.info/pdf/PilgrimChurch/PilgrimChurchVer-0200-beta.pdf

(Page 23).

Augustine was baptised by Ambrose in Milan (387)

and became later Bishop of Hippo (now Bona) in North Africa (395). His

busy life was one of constant controversy. He lived at the time when the

Western Roman Empire was breaking up; indeed a barbarian army was

besieging his city of Hippo when he passed away. It was the fall of the

Western Empire that led him to write his famous book the “City of God".

Its full title explains its aim: “Though the greatest city of the world has

fallen, the City of God abideth for ever". His view, however, of what the

City of God is led him into teachings that have given rise to unspeakable

misery, the very greatness of his name accentuating the harmful effects

of the error he taught. He, beyond others, formulated the doctrine of

salvation by the Church only, by means of her sacraments. To take

salvation out of the hands of the Saviour and put it into the hands of

men; to interpose a system of man’s devising between the Saviour and

the sinner, is the very opposite of the Gospel revelation. Christ says:

“Come unto Me" and no priest or church has authority to intervene.

Well we see here that a famous person, Augustine, had the ability to spread false doctrine to the masses and it is still here today. (1). The doctrine of taking salvation out of the hands of the Saviour (really?), and put it into the hands of men> (2). Formulating the doctrine of salvation by the Church (steeple house) only, by means of her sacraments.> (3). to interpose a system of man's devising between the Saviour and the sinner, the very opposite of the Gospel revelation.

Do we know who/what these systems are today? YES! Augustine was well known and we also have ours today. It you throw away their robes, the turned around collars, the ratted hair and all their temples, we just have a man. If they have to dress differently to look the part then it is time to review what is before you.

Do we really believe that by joining a steeple house that we are saved? Augustine did. Did we really believe that by following the sacraments, we would have an open door into heaven? Millions believe it today and are LOST.

I actually had a local preacher tell some friends of mine that if I came to his church (SH), I could be saved. BLIND!

Well as I have posted before, I spent many years in the RCC. Baptized, confirmation and a slap from the bishop, 1st. communion, alter boy, married in the SH, RCC schools for awhile and LOST IN SIN!

Augustine helped us all to get into this mess and it takes Christ within to get us out and back to the Plan of God for the Church.

Well I see that it is just now Sunday in Jerusalem and IRB will not be able to say I was early with chapter 2. This chapter will set many free if they seek Him and depart from those false doctrines of Augustine and others. amen

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OK, Jerusalem time it is for the book club. And that means I'm behind schedule.

I already had my last post on Ch.1 written anyway. I was going to post it late, and something a little more uplifting as a Sunday / begin Ch.2 post, but there's no need to be all dramatic . Just a minute...

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Where does this strength come from?

Think of your local Pastor.

He might be a very real, kindly man with a family and people who care about him. He faces the same troubles, fears, hurts, and joys that we all do. He might write letters like Polycarp did (https://www.supakoo.com/rick/PolycarpToPhilippians-2010-01-05.pdf) to other local congregations sharing everyday type news:

if anyone should depart into Syria, he should also take along the letters from you, which I will do if I have suitable opportunity...Let us know anything further which you have heard about Ignatius himself and those who are with him”

or even something mundane like a recommendation;

I have written this to you by Crescens, whom I commended to you when I was present, and now commend again. For he has behaved blamelessly among us.” - Polycarp Letters

https://www.polycarp.net/
Polycarp is a celebrated figure in the history of Christianity. A direct pupil of the apostle John, Polycarp lived between 70 and 155 A.D., connecting him to both the biblical apostles and the age of the early church fathers. Several ancient sources document the contributions of Polycarp to Christianity, including his letters written to the church at Philippi,”

Polycarp did not seek to glorify himself. He was sought out by others:

Brothers, I write these things to you concerning righteousness {not on my own initiative},

but because you requested [it] of me. For neither I nor another like me is able to follow after the wisdom of the blessed and glorious Paul, who, when he was with you in the presence of the people at that time, he taught the word of truth accurately and reliably,”

Polycarp was very much in favor of the accountability of Church leaders:

And the presbyters [must] also [be] compassionate, merciful to all, turning back those who have gone astray, caring for all sick, neglecting neither widow or orphan or poor but always taking thought for the good before God and people,refraining from all anger, partiality, unjust judgment, being far removed from all love of money, not quickly believing against anyone, not relentless in judgment, understanding that we are all debtors [in the matter of] sin. [Let us be] enthusiasts concerning the good, refraining from those who cause [others] to stumble and the false brothers and those bearing the name of the Lord in hypocrisy, who mislead foolish people.”

He named one in particular and emphasized the accountability of the Church to its members:

I am deeply sorry for Valens, who was once a presbyter among you, that he so little understands the place which was given to him. I advise, therefore, that you keep from love of money, and be pure and truthful. Keep yourselves from all evil. For how may he who cannot attain self-control in these matters preach it to another?”

And he spoke of gentleness:

For I am confident that you are well versed in the Scriptures, and nothing is hid from you; but to me this is not granted. Only, as it is said in these Scriptures, “be angry but do not sin,”... build you up in faith and truth, and in all gentleness, and without wrath , and in patience, and in longsuffering, and endurance, and purity, and may he give you a share and place with his saints, and to us with you, and to all under heaven who shall believe in our Lord ...

Pray also for the kings, and for magistrates, and princes, and for those who persecute you and hate you”

But this gentle, elderly man refused to renounce his faith, so:

Polycarp's greatest contribution to Christianity may be his martyred death. His martyrdom stands as one of the most well documented events of antiquity. Polycarp was arrested on the charge of being a Christian -- a member of a politically dangerous cult whose rapid growth needed to be stopped. Amidst an angry mob, the Roman proconsul took pity on such a gentle old man and urged Polycarp to proclaim, "Caesar is Lord". If only Polycarp would make this declaration and offer a small pinch of incense to Caesar's statue he would escape torture and death. To this Polycarp responded, "Eighty-six years I have served Christ, and He never did me any wrong. How can I blaspheme my King who saved me? Bring forth what thou wilt." Steadfast in his stand for Christ, Polycarp refused to compromise his beliefs, and thus, was burned alive at the stake.”

The clip below is the stuff of nightmares. These things happened, but I urge no one to watch it lightly. In fact, I'm posting it, but I'd still urge no one to watch it at all.

The first Christian Martyrs أول الشهداء المسيحيين.flv
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Relevant

"Polycarp - A Relevant Testimony for our Lives
Polycarp's martyrdom is historical reality. He died for one reason - his unyielding faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ. Yet Polycarp's well-recorded death is only one of many lives that were given to reveal and proclaim the truth of Jesus Christ. In light of the cruel and torturous deaths of the first and second generation Christians, all theories that Christianity is a fabricated myth, created for the personal gain of its followers, must be rejected. Even today, many will die for a belief, but none will die for a lie. God allows the deaths of His saints not because He is a helpless or indifferent Lord, but because their deaths are powerful declarations of the free gift of life that is offered to us through the Person of Jesus Christ. If you have any doubts about the truth of Christ as revealed in the Bible, reexamine the biblical text in light of the willful deaths of nearly all of its writers, men who were eyewitnesses to Christ's life and ministry. Polycarp, like many other Christians to this day, was only able to die for Christ because he lived for Christ. His life was radically transformed by the work of the Holy Spirit -- the desires, worries, pains and fears of this world no longer bound him. Polycarp's life and death provides an inspirational example for all Christians. He gave his earthly life for Christ, and in the midst of his sacrifice, he gained eternal life. "

https://www.polycarp.net/

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