Does anybody know where to find the article, "The Square of the Numbers", that Sinclair says he got the Jesse Livermore formula from? He says that it was published in the Wall Street Journal in 1923. The only site that seems to have WSJ archives is pqasb.pqarchiver.com/wsj/advancedsearch.html and search is not finding it.
rckt, I did exactly as you did! Unfortunately google searches for "the square of the numbers" invariably leads back to the Turk/Sinclair GATA conference interview. I have some spare time in Canberra this week, and they have the the WSJ on microfiche at National library of Australia. It would be hard going to try to get through a years worth without some leads to the date. Any clues appreciated.
Thanks strongsidejedi, the NLA does have extensive access to specialist databases that are only accessible for a fee  but free within the interlibrary system, so I will utilise this resource to do the keyword search. They have specialist librarians for the various media types, so I will give it a go and report further  the pressure is on!
Best wishes on the hunt for the article in WSJ. I hope if you find it that you will consider sharing it with the board.
I've been trying to understand how Jim Sinclair could have predicted these levels 23 years ago.
From Santa's prior comments regarding Martin Armstrong's cycle analysis, my guess is that the technique is similar to other mathematical attempts to model natural processes (i.e. fractals, geometric sequences, or similar).
I hope if you find it that you will consider sharing it with the board
Like you I am intrigued by this concept of these angel (hence starting the thread), so it would be fitting if I get to the bottom of it, and I will indeed be sharing what I find.
I lifted this from the web. I think that would be it. Those are all Sinclair's most recent numbers:
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It appears that the 2009 yearly high on the spot gold market was 1225 or very close. And this is the base number that Jim Sinclair uses in the square root formula. It’s a nice number because the square root of 1225 is exactly 35.
So take, 35 and whole numbers to that and square it:
35+1 = 36 X 36 = 1296
35+2 = 37 x 37 = 1369
35+3 = 38 x 38 = 1444
36+4 = 39 x 39 = 1521
36+5 = 40 x 40 = 1600
36+6 = 41 x 41 = 1681
36+7 = 42 x 42 = 1764
I just copied it from a post from the web. It looks like a typo to me. The guy is just saying Sinclair has used squares of integers starting at 35. Looks like he is right. Add to that gold started out at 35$ in 1971 when it was set free and 35^2 is an interesting starting point :)
I looked up sum of squares and the only info I found on that was by a hugely successful trader named Gann who lived at the same time as Jesse Livermore. It's called a square of nine but it's unrelated.
At the bottom I explain how the square of numbers works. I originally had a typo when I first posted this. I forgot there was a thread running here or I would have linked this earlier.
As mentioned on this post, I found references to square root theory in some of Jesse Livermore's old books that I had access to. I wasn't familiar with it, but I've worked with WD Gann's square of numbers and do a lot of work with Fibonnaci retracements and Fib time scales on my personal charts. Similar concepts.
EK: You put out a note on JSmineset to subscribers and followers, literally during the trading day as gold began real time to descend from its highs and it was a great call, that gold was going to correct and you talked about two magnets under gold, the second being $1089 and by the way, word spread around that you made that call, and as you know, gold really hemorrhaged the next day, talk about this reaction, or corrective action in the gold market because quite frankly, it is extremely healthy action isn't it?
JS: It is healthy action, but I don't claim any genius, I think the truth is I'm used. Yes, there are reasons why I forsore $1224 as the first point of major contention, and why I did write the wind is blowing against us a bit, that I think is more used by the mega interest than I can say, yes I was right. So I take no credit for that what so ever, except I wonder whether its really good for the community that I put out these levels, so in my opinion if your heard enough, the chances of you being used is higher than the chances of you being correct even though ego would tend to make you want to say look how smart I am, its not the fact. Mega interests run the gold market, not in a sense that they can create a trend, but they most certainly do from day to day. I think the fact that $1224.10 was the top of this move, temporarily is more the effect of what I told you about how central banks felt at that point, either they felt lost or they felt some sort of competition to their interest in being able to issue paper. So, event the bullish central banks, would at that point become negative to the gold price, and the Chinese always talk their case, you haven’t lived until you’ve negotiated with our Chinese friends, its a sport in itself. The fact that they who have an absolute interest in buying gold would come out with an official voice saying gold was in a bubble at that price, at that day, on that time, is not said, because nobody over there talks just to see their lips move, everything is said for a reason, and nothing is said which is contrary to that reason, nothings changed anywhere in the world, China is Mao’s communists who want to make money  OK and that’s probably the way it should be, but don’t think this whole world has changed. The only change in this world is that there is a great deal more financial prerogative, than there is political or boundary prerogative, so all of what I answered in the first question turned at that time, on that day, at that price, I don’t consider that being right, I just consider it to be yeah in retrospect it was right, and sure I think I’ll be right at various points on the way up, but I do question myself what service it is to a community that I think shouldn’t trade insurance to even discuss it. However some people want it, so every once in a while I’ll put in and call it angels, just to not call it area’s where potential timeout's are going to take place.
Huge thanks
Babstar thanks a lot! Will put your pdf in my phone, for sure it's going to be an interesting reading.
Maybe I'll get a copy from Amazon after I finish in order to reread it.
Edit: Just finished Chapter 1, this book is amazing!! Buying my physical copy right now.
The Square of the Numbers article
Does anybody know where to find the article, "The Square of the Numbers", that Sinclair says he got the Jesse Livermore formula from? He says that it was published in the Wall Street Journal in 1923. The only site that seems to have WSJ archives is pqasb.pqarchiver.com/wsj/advancedsearch.html and search is not finding it.
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rckt, I did exactly as you
rckt, I did exactly as you did! Unfortunately google searches for "the square of the numbers" invariably leads back to the Turk/Sinclair GATA conference interview. I have some spare time in Canberra this week, and they have the the WSJ on microfiche at National library of Australia. It would be hard going to try to get through a years worth without some leads to the date. Any clues appreciated.
I'm looking for that article also (Square of the numbers)
Back before databases existed, there were books which indexed all newspaper articles.
You would look up a keyword in the book for Wall Street Journal and then pull the microfilm for the newspaper.
I haven't attempted this type of search for a long time.
https://webservices.itcs.umich.edu/mediawiki/KresgeLibrary/index.php/I_Need_To_Find...Wall_Street_Journal
This URL suggests that any readers of this board with access to University of Michigan's library might be able to find the microfilm of the article.
Thanks strongsidejedi, the
Thanks strongsidejedi, the NLA does have extensive access to specialist databases that are only accessible for a fee  but free within the interlibrary system, so I will utilise this resource to do the keyword search. They have specialist librarians for the various media types, so I will give it a go and report further  the pressure is on!
Babstar  the hunt for Green September
@Babstar  you are very welcome.
Best wishes on the hunt for the article in WSJ. I hope if you find it that you will consider sharing it with the board.
I've been trying to understand how Jim Sinclair could have predicted these levels 23 years ago.
From Santa's prior comments regarding Martin Armstrong's cycle analysis, my guess is that the technique is similar to other mathematical attempts to model natural processes (i.e. fractals, geometric sequences, or similar).
Quote:I hope if you find it
Like you I am intrigued by this concept of these angel (hence starting the thread), so it would be fitting if I get to the bottom of it, and I will indeed be sharing what I find.
Gold rate
can i know the gold rate will be decrease in next week, below $1747/
Re:42
It wouldn't be the first prediction Douglas Adams got right :)
Others include the babelfish universal translator (google translate) and hypertext (the internet)
I lifted this from the web. I
I lifted this from the web. I think that would be it. Those are all Sinclair's most recent numbers:
______________________________
It appears that the 2009 yearly high on the spot gold market was 1225 or very close. And this is the base number that Jim Sinclair uses in the square root formula. It’s a nice number because the square root of 1225 is exactly 35.
So take, 35 and whole numbers to that and square it:
35+1 = 36 X 36 = 1296
35+2 = 37 x 37 = 1369
35+3 = 38 x 38 = 1444
36+4 = 39 x 39 = 1521
36+5 = 40 x 40 = 1600
36+6 = 41 x 41 = 1681
36+7 = 42 x 42 = 1764


worldend666
your chart, specifically the "36 + ".......... s/b "35 + " ?
Hi Steeled I just copied it
Hi Steeled
I just copied it from a post from the web. It looks like a typo to me. The guy is just saying Sinclair has used squares of integers starting at 35. Looks like he is right. Add to that gold started out at 35$ in 1971 when it was set free and 35^2 is an interesting starting point :)
I looked up sum of squares and the only info I found on that was by a hugely successful trader named Gann who lived at the same time as Jesse Livermore. It's called a square of nine but it's unrelated.
@Babstar THANKS
I read the first two chapters and just went ahead and got this version for my Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/ReminiscencesStockOperatorAnnotatedebook/dp/B...
1939 here we come
next angel sOOn wiLL be done.
Square of Numbers
Hello all,
I put the square of numbers info up on my site below the video.
https://www.thegoldrate.com/705/goldwithjamesturkandjimsinclair/
At the bottom I explain how the square of numbers works. I originally had a typo when I first posted this. I forgot there was a thread running here or I would have linked this earlier.
As mentioned on this post, I found references to square root theory in some of Jesse Livermore's old books that I had access to. I wasn't familiar with it, but I've worked with WD Gann's square of numbers and do a lot of work with Fibonnaci retracements and Fib time scales on my personal charts. Similar concepts.
Thanks for the update man!
Thanks for the update man!
Why are they called Angels?
KWN Jim Sinclair Interview 21 Dec 2009
1296 is not one of his Angels....
Thanks for your hard work...but it seems 1296 is not one of his Angels....
Any reason why not?