That story has been on our news here in flyover country, too.
I have to say that while they are airing the complaints from his relatives about the injustice, they also reported that while the locals, including local police, knew he was apparently brain-addled, the jurisdiction that was called in to deal with the situation did not know his history.
They only knew what the people were saying when they were called: "a man with a gun."
From what I can glean from the fake news purveyors, the shooting was likely justified.
That is the thing; one never knows if you are getting the straight skinny, or the version they want you to see.
I've probably made the case that anarchism doesn't work using 25 different angles. Here's a new one.
And. anarchists wants the pendulum to be in the middle, at the center point, at all times.
I do too. That's called outside of time and space. Where causation and effect ceases to exist.
But Hermes gave you the law of polarities for a reason so you would understand that we live in a world of polarities. Not absolutes. And every cause has a reaction. And every reaction a counter reaction. From a higher perspective the move from good to bad has a purpose. The more attuned society is to the natural laws, the laws of nature, spiritual law, the less the swings, but there will always be swings. This is what the universe decided would be the teacher. It applies equally under all forms of government.
ancientmoney wrote: That story has been on our news here in flyover country, too. I have to say that while they are airing the complaints from his relatives about the injustice, they also reported that while the locals, including local police, knew he was apparently brain-addled, the jurisdiction that was called in to deal with the situation did not know his history. They only knew what the people were saying when they were called: "a man with a gun." From what I can glean from the fake news purveyors, the shooting was likely justified. That is the thing; one never knows if you are getting the straight skinny, or the version they want you to see.
I didn't closey study all the stories, to look for details that would hint to me if there was a lie involved.
But I just picked one article randomly to see what I see.
Let's start from the position, that I don't know. Because I don't.
Let's start reading what these guys have to say.
Police have shot and killed another black man after mistaking an object he was holding for a gun
See that right up front what they did??? They threw out the race card. Not a crazy man with a pipe? But a black man. Better yet, ANOTHER black man. That looks to me as they are priming the reader. It will get better.
Now they have the video. That looks pretty bad to me. I only told Guerilla Capital a guy pointed what could have been a gun under his shirt at the girls serving coffee. He told me he'd be dead under his anarchy system. I'm not complaining.
Next, NONE of them were wearing body camera's? HOW CONVENIENT. That's more priming. Right now most NYC Cops don't have body camera's BECAUSE, they are just rolling out the system. Not scheduled until end of 2018. Some have it, some do not.
Witnesses told the New York Times that the officers fired almost immediately after arriving. There were conflicting reports on whether the cops tried to talk with the man before firing.
Hmmm, maybe some of you gun owners can help me since all of you prep and carry guns to protect yourself and property. Is it your protocol to negotiate with a man with a gun? We don't know if they gave verbal commands or not. And maybe somebody told the NYT, hey they didn't even try to talk to the man. Should it be my protocol to negotiate with that man in the video pointing something at people as if it was a gun????
More priming. Unrelated facts being used to support a point that they are establishing in your mind. This is what I've been complaining about with so many discussions here. Especially paid posters. It's an insidious and dark magic. This is unrelated to anything but NOW it's implanted in your brain, and you can't get it out. Why didn't they talk about the history of mentally ill people in past events? Or maybe the crime rate in Crown Heights?
The shooting comes a few weeks after the police killing of Stephon Clark, who was shot on March 18 in Sacramento, California, in the backyard of his grandparents’ house when police mistook a cellphone he was holding for a gun. The two officers who opened fire — shooting 20 rounds total — said they believed Clark was advancing toward them and posed a threat. According to an autopsy commissioned by Clark’s family, Clark was hit eight times from behind or the side. The Clark and Vassell shootings have become the latest incidents of police use of force to draw national media coverage since the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, in August 2014 — with critics arguing that they’re yet more examples of the vast racial disparities in how police use force.
The shooting comes a few weeks after the police killing of Stephon Clark, who was shot on March 18 in Sacramento, California, in the backyard of his grandparents’ house when police mistook a cellphone he was holding for a gun. The two officers who opened fire — shooting 20 rounds total — said they believed Clark was advancing toward them and posed a threat. According to an autopsy commissioned by Clark’s family, Clark was hit eight times from behind or the side.
The Clark and Vassell shootings have become the latest incidents of police use of force to draw national media coverage since the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, in August 2014 — with critics arguing that they’re yet more examples of the vast racial disparities in how police use force.
Looks like me they have decided to apply the conquer and divide technique. RACIAL DISPARITIES!!! And did you notice the picture of a WHITE POLICE officer in a black neighborhood??
In CAPITAL LETTERS And THEY BOLDED IT. This class A brainwashing.
Black people are much more likely to be killed by police than their white peers
Black people are much more likely to be killed by police than their white peers
Black, BLACK, black, BLACK...
And it goes on and on and on ad nasuem introducing the race card into the narrative.
What is IMPLICIT in this statement?
ThAT THE POLICE ARE BAD MOTHER FUCKERS!!! They acted racists, prematurely because they didn't negotiate,
NEXT. In BOLD LETTERS and BIGGER FONT>
Police are rarely prosecuted for shootings
Police are rarely prosecuted for shootings
Not only are the liberals having a party but so are the anarchists, and volunteerists that hate authority.
CAN ANYBODY SAY CONQUER AND DIVIDE. GET people to hate eachother. Whitey body, and Negro man. Let's start with the names. Let's put out our hatreds and lets kill each other. NO POLITICAL CoRRECTNESS Pleaase.
AncientMOney AGII, Guerilla Capital, and AG1965 are walking down the street. And they are all packing. A black man is pointing a gun at you. You all pull out your guns, because, you don't have time to call a meeting and develop a strategy. Right? Who is going to shoot first? Y'all gonna shoot together. AGII, you gonna stop and ask the others of their intention? Hell NO!! You're shooting'
Four of the cops fired 10 rounds in response, killing the man.
Four of the cops fired 10 rounds in response, killing the man.
Let's all do some math here? You all probably fired two rounds. That's two bullets? I don't know shit about guns. And somebody, I'm not saying who, fired 3 or 4? To me, and I really don't know, that seems quite reserved because the moment you took out your guns and started to fire, you decided he has to be dead. Ya didn't shoot 15 times each, you all only shot 2, and some of you weren't convinced, because he didn't go down right away, so two of you shot one more shot, just to be sure. Each person only shooting twice or three times, doesn't seem like a whole lot. But then again, I don't know.
That's what I see. First look.
two other things I've noticed that they didn't tell ya. Remember, Sherlock HOlmes once solved a crime based on the dog not barking.
Where is Al Sharpton? Do you have to be a New Yorker to know that he is a parasite that shows two minute after these things? He spends his life using dead black men to make his career.
When did they release the video? Did the police department wait 6 weeks like they so often do? Or did they release RIGHT AWAY. Whats the difference between hiding a video and releasing right away? There is a message in the timing....
By the way, I am not going to do a full decoding of Donald Trump's Trade War Negotiating technique.
He is at the early stages. He is using the bombastic, I'm gonna kill you mothter fudders. There are three major styles of negotiation. Trump uses the one that I use. I just never imagined that people would ignore all this stuff to the length that I thought, thus I have one guy here making an admission that he's trolling. How's that for negotiation?
China is smarter than the guy here. Because they are playing his bluff. Another words, they ain't stupid. Unlike an unnamed poster here, they aren't giving it and acknowledging their wrong doing. I wonder if anybody ever notices this stuff?
China said NO. NO is how you respond to a negotiation because that is the best position to negotiate from because YOU NEVER SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE!! Vonburpstein here?
. Now' Trump's move. Somebody is going to make a concession. likely Somewhere. Just like North Korea. But it will be done in such a way that you won't know it is a concession. We are waiting for the save face move.
Trump is alot like me. He looks out of control, sociopathic, war monger. His base is supporting his aggressive stance (because they don't know what he is up to) and the left is blasting him. Neither is right. Because neither see's what he is doing. Nor can they see that China is playing the same sophisticated game.
What you are reading in the news IS NOT the story. It's the acting. The play. The game. He is working china and he works the American public. ALL AT THE SAME TIME. And a 1/2 dozen people sit back laughing at it. No Honduran immigrants, no imminent invasion, and it's likely, not 100% that Trump knows what I know, that if he starts a trade war, and doesn't come to a mutual agreement, we're screwed.
It's not to say that there aren't forces pushing that. And it's not to say that ego won't enter the picture and somebody messes up.
Virtually all our training involves close in combat against one or more adversaries at 3-10 yards. My greatest fear is I'm condition white, oblivious to the man with the thing in his hand and find myself looking down the barrel of a make believe gun In that case I fucked up bigly, left with few options.
This man was on the people in the street within a second or two, with the pistol lookalike pointed in their faces They were blindsided, unaware and caught looking at something, to my eye, looks like a cheap revolver. In that instant these people are confronted with a man holding a thing that looks like a pistol and they were sucking wind.
One disadvantage to the shooter is that close in, a person with some training could slap the pistol from their face and deal with the adversary. I had a pistol in my face once and slapping it quickly was an action faster than the pulling of a trigger. But that's rolling the dice He didn't have to be as fast as me, just fast enough to squeeze trigger. That incident lives with me forever. It was that scary
10 yards is 30 feet, just outside the Tueller drill distance of 28 feet. At that distance one has barely enough time to do the OODA loop, draw, point in and fire. Maybe 3 seconds tops. I would hope that in those fractions of a second---
1. I recognized the thing as a non-lethal weapon.
Problem with metallic objects in the hand, they are rarely unoffensive. If it's a pair of pliers, wrench or some other shiny object, I'll decide whether to walk away or deal with the person in a non offensive way. In my scenario this adversary was going from person to person pointing a shiny object in their face. If that was the case I would see it at distance and take action, take cover and move towards the person, if retreat was not possible.
2. I hope that in those 2 seconds I have the courage, wherewithal, and combat mindset to draw, point in and fire accurately, not loosing rounds outside the target but delivering completely accurate round placement. My worry is less for my safety than those around me, whether wife, friends or strangers or D all the above. My choice is to defend. I don't asked that of others. Only of me.
3. If I am with armed friends then hopefully one of us sees the threat and acts. There's no time to debate; only to act. The whole thing is usually over in a few seconds. If they act first then I have their back
#4 As a civilian the only thing I am allowed to do is: Shoot to Stop. That is quite specific and generally involves one or two shots to the thoracic area. If the person goes down, you shop shooting, move to low ready, finger off trigger, move off the X, check your 6, observe the adversary who's down then the 180 in front of you. If the shooter remains down, is not a threat, remove the weapon from his proximity and then very slowly reholster. If you shoot him again, yanno, just to make sure and BTW that happens a lot, you will be serving 10 years for manslaughter or worse.
Cops are trained to kill and that's what they do. It wasn't always like that but so many cops are returning vets and others trained to kill on sight Unload a full mag into the adversary if needed and repeat if needed. Including if the person is on the ground and still wiggling; keeping shooting until they are absolutely still. Maybe a gratuitous coup de grace head shot if not on camera.
There's a huge dynamic at play in that short video. From a civilian standpoint this is the stuff of nightmares. Do I shoot from a distance when I could retreat? If I don't retreat and end up killing the person then I'm accused of being a street justice vigilante like Bronson in Death Wish. 10 years
Do I shoot 1-2 times at close range and teh adversary does not go down, maybe missing and hitting a bystander (10 years and a $1,000,000 lawsuit that I cannot ever win) or do nothing further to stop a person high on drugs and pain pills, who's oblivious to the pain and won't stop until they die standing up. Lots of crappy end results in this one. It's a real lose lose
They soak up rounds like a sponge and keep coming. Then the jury decides whether I should have run as one option, Maybe 10 years); stop shooting and observe (while the adversary kills me). That's a terrible option. Take a head shot that in the jury's eyes is a white man executing a black man. (10-20) Try talking your way out of that.
Fuck. The decision loop is nothing but shit on a stick and we all gotta take a big smelly bite.
In reality cops generally got it easy They're James Bond in body armor; licensed to kill. Keep shooting until the adversary(s) is down and stopped wiggling. The cops are almost always exonerated because the person shot can almost always be found guilty of something.
The city pays the widow and relatives out of tax payer money and within 24 hours the cycle repeats itself. I wonder what the percentage is in all of this?
Bragging rights in the cop locker room? The cops doing the shooting get stood to round of drinks. The locals saying "Thank you for your service" Maybe a medal and citation. Who knows? Maybe the girls want to fuck this bad ass. But I digress.
Green Lantern. You mentioned you know shit about guns. I hear you, understand that and make you an offer. A serious offer
One of my missions is to give away all my Diamond memberships to Front sight (frontsight.com) before I hop the twig.
This gives you around 40 classes to chose from but most people do the 4 day defense handgun class, maybe the 4 rifle and shotgun later. Front sight is in Pahrump NV, around 60 miles north of Vegas. They have first class training and instructors. We stay at the Pahrump Winery single wides (pretty nice digs)
At one time the Diamond memberships cost around $4000. That's what I paid. I upgraded to Commander and got a few hundred memberships to sell or give way. Some people retail these for $250. I will never sell what I can give away when it comes to this because it's too important.
Several people on Mainstreet have taken advantage of this offer over the last year or so. I've given away maybe 100 in the last few years
So this is what I propose and it goes for ANYONE on DOTS and the other forums (don't be shy)
If you want to take advantage of this membership and all it entails, ping me a private message. If you have some like minded friends, wife and relatives who would be really jealous that you accepted this membership and didn't include then, then by all means include them. Otherwise they will probably mess uou up for being a selfish bastard
I'll let you know what to do to get a membership. You get an ID name from FS at myfrontsight.com and let me know that by my personal email that I will give you in the private message.
The Diamonds are pretty good in that they allow you unlimited use of the training facilities as often as you want, 40% discount at the at the uber overpriced pro shop, preferred placement in the courses and a few other benefits like guns at cost and a 20% discount on ammo at the armory as supplements that I have in my inventory. BTW Front Sight does not compensate me for these memberships.
Most people travel large distances to train at front sight and thus traveling with weapons on a plane can be problematic. Some people travel from countries and US states that do not allow firearms ownership. For those who want to train at front sight but don't have a a gun or find it difficult to travel to Front sight with one, I have some gun rental chits to share That inventory is around 55 rental chits and 300 Diamond memberships. FS offers Glock 19 for the pistol AR 15 for rifle class and Mossberg 500 for shotgun.
This is not for everyone, particularly those who cannot devote 6 days (2 travel days) in the desert. It's a tall order to go to Nevada to shoot guns for 4 days or more. Some people get memberships and use them like gym passes. As in never
But I absolutely 100% guaranty you that if you take the 4 day defense handgun course you're life and your skill at arms will change forever. I've been shooting since I was 6; self trained and it showed . God, was I a fucktard shooter before taking the first course. I guaranty you that you will have one huge shit eating grin on your gob after 4 days, even with blisters, cuts, sore muscles and bruises from running a gun and 600 rounds of ammo in 3 days of shooting.
My first FS class was the 4 day handgun in 2010 I went in as a padawan learner and told my instructor I was a gun virgin. No bones about it, I realized I knew jack shit about firearms even though I shot pistols regularly for 50 years and maybe 50,000 rounds put down range.
There's a saying a Front Sight. Most people are consciously incompetent about firearms They don't know what they don't know and they don't care. That lack can get you killed or injured I was probably worse than that
So, all ye hearties, Mr Fix, Ruffian, Sierra Skier, AG, Ancient Money. All y'all know who you are if I didn't mention your name. Maybe you can put your heads together, come up with a plan to take advantage of this and then raft up for a class later this year or early next. I'll be done with my 4 day FS class this year after our Uzi full auto 4 day course in June. 1m600 rounds of 9mm. Yummy!
After that I get my knee replaced and a couple of vacations through the rest of the year
Our crew will usually return in March, April or May 2019 June and July are stink ass hot
So, look me up if you have questions, check the front sight site and if a membership is in your future I will make it happen
"After that I get my knee replaced and a couple of vacations through the rest of the year "
WHOA~!! Hey Rambo,
RE: da KNEE. Have you considered stem cell treatment - I mean like One Shot for $2000, as opposed to going irreversibly to stainless steel??
PM me IF you don't want to go too personal on the forum here. Otherwise I'll blab it all out here for the ground crew.
Suicide by cop.
Mr. Fix wrote: "Unthinking respect for authority" is redundant. I don't give a flying fuck what Einstein was implying when he made that statement, I am making my own. Take 10 minutes and watch this:
Milgram Experiment Proves We Blindly Obey Authority.
A clear demonstration of unthinking respect for authority. The only thing that makes authority inevitable, is the capacity for human stupidity to accept it. Maybe you'd like to refresh your memory with the very, very first video ever posted on DOTS.
Human stupidity on display.
"Unthinking respect for authority" is redundant.
I don't give a flying fuck what Einstein was implying when he made that statement, I am making my own.
Take 10 minutes and watch this:
A clear demonstration of unthinking respect for authority.
The only thing that makes authority inevitable, is the capacity for human stupidity to accept it.
Maybe you'd like to refresh your memory with the very, very first video ever posted on DOTS.
Human stupidity on display.
The tiny dot video was the first DOTS post. Nana posted it.
I remember the original DOTS that Nana started. I will admit that it is a bit difficult to recall the timelines of forums being shut down and replaced and all of the personal attacks on Nana, WHO CREATED THE SPACE ORIGINALLY.
I am not using caps to yell, I am using caps to emphasize, to be clear.
DOTS is the space that Nana created, and participated in until she was ganged up on.
Remember when GL and AG1969 went to the other forum that Nana started to actually taunt her there? I do.
they started a bunch of DOTS taunting her after running her out.
They might say that they didn't run her out, she just "couldn't take it" but if that was true, that they didn't intend harm, why would they start start all those other "DOTS" forums?
the forums are still there for all to see
bullying and taunting.
People who are here now and "benefit" from what she did, ran her off by taunting her and belittling her because that's how anarchy works I guess... totally noble because people are just looking for "freedom" I suppose?
Ironic that you posted the DOTS video Mr. Fix. because I read what GL wrote when he was doing his usual lashing out at me. I won't bother looking back to quote, however he basically said I wasn't classy.
Remember when GL went to the other forum that Nana started to actually taunt her there? I do.
He wasn't alone in his bullying, to be sure.
But, come on, she never messed with anyone...
I didn't agree with her a lot, but I left her alone and engaged in other discussion for the most part.
Why would you mess with her?
The other day, I posted about what a shithole NYC is. Come on though, most of us know that it's a mess. Everything I said was true and I didn't talk to GL specifically. He is the one who immediately goes to the childish and personal insults.
It's the same old same old really.
Super classy to chase an old lady out of the space she started, then stalk her around forums to taunt her after running her out of her own.
I haven't forgotten and I don't think DOTS should either.
We should all learn to be so noble, enlightened, anarchistic and libertarian.
I like the way you think. I see you have powers of keen observation available to you.
Either way the crazy guy with the pipe (I mean the black victim) meets his maker. It's just quicker and a bit more violent at the hands of the police And your actions, if taken with vegenence, can cause you alot of headaches.
The only thing I'd add is that since this took place in Crowne Heights. A neighborhood (I've never been)Known for it's turbulent race relations and poverty, you four white guys are in a black neighborhood so I'd execute quickly. Quickly reholster your guns before the police and NYC media arrive. One guy run to the victim give him mouth to mouth, before the police arrive, and the other three secure your position from the natives. Do not leave the scene. That would be BAD!
Interesting are those coppers. They are the henchman for the politicians and at the sametime, they can be made the fall guys for the politicians. Not too dissimilar from the banksters. I read more of the news clips, and the headlines themselves are desgined to prejudice you as to what happen. We live in such a society of propganda that if you don't read with the right mindset, you are the brainwashed.
Parump? isn't that where men go to get their chrome bumpers polished? A day trip from the strip?
Haven't been. But if ever the mood should strike me, I'll keep your offer in mind. I believe it takes up to 8 months, and mounds of bureaucracy to get a license to carry.
That is an awesome offer for Front Site. I will vouch for the training offered there as I and my son and friends have participated in their training. My and my son's first training was when Front Site was rather new and had recently moved from Athos, Ca. to Parhump, Nv. My son was 14 at the time (now 30) and when I asked the instructor checking us all in I asked if he could view the training. The instructor asked my son his age and he replied 14 upon which the instructor said "I don't see why we can't have you sign up and join the class." My son had a shit eating grin from ear to ear and we all got to train with and shoot full auto Uzi's in 9mm, about 600 rounds. This was a completely FREE promotional class and a lot of fun. That is a memory my son will have and cherish for life.
If you have an interest I would strongly suggest you take advantage of the offer to become competent with a firearm, at least the beginning of being competent because it takes regular training to maintain and develop the skills of this perishable skills required to be a solid firearms user.
The training offered will definitely change your outlook on your ability to use firearms with greater confidence and skill than you ever imagined and with practice and further training put your skill levels up in or exceeding that of most LEO. I would consider this an offer you cannot beat.
I'm not shy to tell it like it is. In early December 2016 I got PRP from Doc McClish in Reno for a bad partial tear in right achilles tendon. That worked very nicely after a month in a hard boot. He did the stem cell treatment later that month. It might have worked but I want not able to give the knee the rest it needed for my stem cells to do their magic. 40 feet of snow and a move off the mountain worked my knee like a day job. IMO I fucked up on this score.
But a recent Xray showed a total lack of tissue between the top of the tibia and lower right lobe of the femur (bone on bone), bone spurs and a boatload of osteoarthritis. This have been worsening for 6 years so I'll bite the bullet and do the knee replacement It appears that the damage is enough that stem cells might have been up against a challenge that even that remarkable treatment could not handle. The damage inside that knee is like a war zone after nearly 50 years of carpet bombing.
Every person I know who's done the replacement (15-20) said it worked perfectly, they were pain free for the first time in years and their only regret was waiting as long as they did. My knee is making me do a really good imitation of Chester from Gun Smoke
The surgeon is with Great Basic Orthopedics in Reno. They're the cowboy doctors, working on rodeo riders and many pro and amateur athletes. Not that I'm looking forward to replacing the knee because the rehab is way more painful than my hip replacement. It's just that no med/opioid does anything to remove the pain during the recovery stage. That's my only concern. It'll hurt like stink for a month or so.
I can see that our worldview probably has nothing in common.
Your assertion that the video by Larkin Rose was all about Nana, is absurd.
She left this forum for religious reasons, in a dispute on the morality of withholding services from gays.
As I recall at the time, we were debating principles, and we were not hurling any insults.
I expressed my opinion regarding all of those extra DOTS forums as being childish, but I suppose others found it humorous. I most certainly stated that Nana had the right to start any forum she wished, on any topic she wished, and has the right to engage, or not engage anyone she wished.
I wish her well.
For you to bring it up again in the context of a discussion on the legitimacy of government, takes moronic irrelevancy to a whole new level. That particular video was highly relevant to the discussion, as I was making an effort to present relevant perspectives on a topic.
You on the other hand, decided to use it to highlight your own personal vendetta against members of this forum.
You are off-topic in the extreme, and just flat out wrong on your facts.
Ruffian called Larkin Rose a nutter. At least she is on-topic. We disagree, but we are at least on the same topic.
My discussion was with Happy Now, who at least demonstrated an ability to address a topic, and ask relevant questions.
Your comment was a waste of time and bandwidth.
Go for the knee replacement. Your statement about doing it sooner is spot on. My wife had a double done at the Carson Tahoe Regional Medical Center (surgical building) and Dr. Anderson was her physician. She was lucky enough and fit enough to have him do both at the same time. The results are exceptional, she skis, rides her horse and does everything she desires.
As you know the rehab is the most crucial part, Best of wishes for a fast sound recovery.
They're true by both basic observation over a life time as well as statistics compiled over decades.
Most bad things happen when:
"Stupid people in stupid places do stupid things."
It's a simplistic statement but my friend who served in the Marines, was LEO, man tracker, firearms trainer(25 years) and was known, on rare occasion, to venture into those stupid places. He has a 6th sense about these things (half Cherokee)
It's said kind of tongue in cheek but mostly it's true.
There's another saying about towns with casinos, kind of a corollary to the above statement
"Nothing good every happens in a casino after 1 AM."
My experience with statement 1? 10 years doing exactly that exact thing. Rooting around in stupid places. It makes me cringe today to think of that decade. That I survived is a freaking miracle. Someone up there likes me.