in the force that is DOTS.
I saw Katie Rose's comment, my opinion was that she was totally off base but I chose to ignore her comment. I generally try to keep myself, as much as possible, to matters of fact and to keep opinions to myself; although some will often dispute the truly factual nature of my comments. I also recognize that one man's facts are another man's opinions.
GL good points on anarchy. As soon as the group grows large enough to have normal representation it’s over. Leaders will be sought! Agreed norms will be enshrined! Lawyers to interpret the agreements!
but the fact is I imbibe infrequently and in moderation. A good whisky is a nice tipple. A gin and tonic delightful
My liver is happy. All functions are good though milk thistle sounds like a good palliative.
There was a time 40 years ago when I was anything but abstentious; until I quit my wicked wicked ways. 3 tobacco farmers went to soy beans, General Brewing filed chapter 11 and the state of Michoacan defaulted on its Eurobonds.
The echoes of youthful indulgences still catch my attention, make me a bit wistful as I reflect on those times; fortunately the draw of intoxication is a reflection in the rear view mirror of age.
I see there is a new face here, AGX seems like a good guy.
I scanned the last 10 pages and thought I'd say hello.
especially IRB and Ruff
cheers to all though, even if you';re crazy for spending too much time here!
Go do something awesome dammit!
I love it that you guys are still spurging natural law nonsense...
sometimes the high road is the goat road
the folly and foolishness.
Good to see you Brother!
"even if you';re crazy for spending too much time here!"
I thought so too, but just yesterday I found my new waifu right here in DOTS
Not pervy at all. That's that stuff GL was pimping.
I'm talking about a beautiful woman with a big round belly standing in a wheat field,
because, you know, wheat fields.
Been seeing all the Ricky/ Paul drama? smh
We have entered a heuristic argument. What I mean by that is we don’t have a total concenus if the facts support the conclusion. More importantly, as a group, we don't share the same methods of problem solving to find the truth. I’ve noticed that’s the case in just about all our discussions, markets, politics, what makes bridges fall down, did we go to the moon and is the earth flat to name a few…..
If we were a jury that would be problematic. IN a court, the judge dictates process. For better or for worse. he decides what facts the jury hears. He decides which laws the jury should use to deliberate. After that it is each man for himself based on the movie playing in his or her head. The hope is after deliberations 12 people have the same movie playing in their heads.
The majority of the people that weighed in have concluded that Ruffian being a disinformation agent, and well compensated that for that position, is absurd. There are few of you that believe that the “facts” could reasonable support her conclusions. Of course, I don’t know what everybody thinks out there, only those who have stated their opinion.
I’ve spent a better part of year, often quoting persuasion experts like Scott Adams, Robert Cialdini, and Chris Voss, telling you that facts don’t matter and they are all pretty prolific, successful men with very healthy track records. That’s not a opinion. There opinions are backed by piles of scientific data used by multiple billion dollar industries. Choosing to ignore the design of the human brain is optional. Coming to the wrong conclusions about a person is liability.
See it says it here. FActs don't matter. Must be true.
Of course, because he says it doesn’t make it true.
The other day AgII said his friend believes “Gold is the only thing worth anything everything else is bullshit” I believe that to be true, in his world.
My trading account says otherwise. I didn’t even attempt to talk a man down from that ledge. I’m happy for him to have it.
I don’t think an invitation to debate that point would have yielded anything worthwhile because it wasn’t a statement of fact, it was a statement of emotions. There might come a time in the future that becomes true, and there might come a time in the future when that’s never true. How do we know?
Scott Adams assertion is that Donald Trump got elected on 100% pure persuasion. Aka he got in your mind and said the things you wanted to hear. He has even gone so far to put a name to the different type of persuasion tricks.
So when he says FACTS don’t matter, he means it in a limited sense because he also realizes the FACTS can kill you! FACTS will make you broke. There is no debate on this dimension of reality. It is rare for human beings to make decisions totally devoid of emotions. Most humans are not rationale thinkers. You’re no exception.
Your investment decisions and your eating decisions and your voting decisions are inextricably connected to your emotions HELLO.
Whether I or Ruffian are deep state agents, let’s not forget the doctor that left under the same allegations and a few more, those allegations were deeply tied to a group of emotions. FACTS played a minor or insignificant role other than trying to squeeze facts into an argument that was false.
Remember, we are the enlightened and therefore our only real currency is our thinking process to connect DOTS. Absent, a good model of drawing conclusions. You've got NOTHING!
“One of the biggest illusions of life is that we humans are good at deducing the inner thoughts of both strangers and loved ones based on observing their actions. The truth is that we are terrible at knowing what others are thinking. We just think we are good at it. No one is good at it. NO ONE."
The other day Peter Schiff tweeted about gold. If you’re a gold bug, you will like this. I'm a gold investor but made me scratch my head and have some deja vous.
I don’t read him much anymore, but I glance. He said something like it’s gold buying season in India and there is good evidence it’s ready to take off. (those weren’t his exact words)
Did I tell you I love Chai tea? Authentic Indian or Pakistani Chai Tea. So I go over to Little India, to my usual place, and I enjoy a nice warm cup of chai tea. Yum, yum.
It just so happens there are gold stores all up and down that street. Lots of jewelry dealers and gold buyers. A few doors down from the chai shop is an Indian guy in the gold business for 35 years. That’s his story. He buys and sells gold and silver coins, mostly to indian jewelers who melt it. He likes when gold goes up. That’s his business.
So I’m talking to him and just for fun, I tell him (just being a devils advocate and seeing his reaction to my statement, you know Vekrum, gold is going up. He says “it could also go down” I said “that’s true” but eventually it will go up higher than it will go down. And then I tell him there is huge buying in India. I'm being a smart aleck to see if he will bit.
He looks at me like I’m on drugs. Mr. Green Lantern he says, “I am Indian and I know Indians. I’ve been in this business for 35 years. Buying gold is what Indian people do. We are a gold buying culture.. It doesn't’t mean anything”
Well, he told me. His opinion is that Mr. Schiff’s facts are meaningless in deciding if gold will go up and down. Just a random, isolated fact out of context.
I didn’t fool him for a moment. Neither did Mr. Schiff.
You can use the same facts to make ten different arguments. It’s my allegation that you will put the facts to the argument that you like best. Not just my assertion, all the guys that talk this stuff for a living and keep telling you over and over and over again that's how the mind and reality work.
I just spent 1000 words explaining to Mr. Fix that most men don’t have the foggiest idea why they do things, or say things or have certain preferences because each man has broad belt of unconsciousness.. Science has proven that. I’ll share the science AGAIN if somebody requests it.
Apparently, Ruffian likes to suck on Avocado pits. Do you know why? I don’t.
That fact could support that she is delusional schizophrenic. She could be teething. She could be having a memory from when she was in the womb and her mother was sucking on advocados, she could have an oral fixation etc, etc, etc,
None of you know what makes her tick, what inspires her to change her photo’s or her moods at any given time. Those facts could support an amazing array of arguments. For those that think these facts tell you something about Ruffian is only because you choose to stick them in the script of the movie running in your head. THAT’s BAD EVIDENCE. I don't want you on my jury, not that they would even convene a jury on those facts.
Now here are some other facts that I’d like for you to put in your movie.
Ruffian is well liked. At least it appears to me to be the case because the number of people here that have good things to say about her. “She’s an enigma” “She’s a genius” “She’s a warrior” “Only Ruffian will understand” That could be something to worry about, because the person who is well liked his more likely a deep state agent than the person who is not. That small point has been missed in the past.
If I was running against Ruffian for prom queen/king, I’d have to change my ways quick.
Of course, we don’t know what others who don’t say think. She certainly has some online personality quirks that might be off putting I don’t particularly agree with her on all things politics for sure. And it’s likely, Katie Rose has been holding this thought for a while and something triggered her (change of picture) to say it. Now we have three people that think the facts support that argument. So who knows what the invisible unconscious mind of the group is thinking. Could be 10?
It seems many Turdites think along the lines of finding facts to match and support their realities. Some of you like flipping through the DSM-V to find names to your facts and apply them to me. BAD IDEA!! I see people use this mode of thinking for their investments, their politics and probably every area of their life. I don't live in your heuristic world.
The same exact facts support that Donald Trump is a populist, that he is racists and behaves like Hitler. People do not know how to put facts to reality because their brains didn’t evolve to see reality as it is.
That’s why I have been pushing the moon and his friends. It’s much harder for the mind to be tricked. It’s also the case with sociopaths. Any decent psychological astrologers worth anything, knows the circumstances at birth which are likely to lead to sociopathic behavior. This is much more successful than trying to match behaviors to a made up clinical definition.
Katie Rose took two isolated facts and drew conclusions. If you’re going to look at who is the disinformation agent, you’re going to look for techniques of persuasion. But if you don’t know what they are, you’ll miss them every time.
Don’t get me wrong, Ruffian is very persuasive to a group of people BECAUSE she tells you what you are already thinking and the idea’s that you embrace. But it’s obvious that her persuasion is not being applied as a skill. It’s clear her persuasion is not being used to move a group away from certain realities. SAME WITH ME.
At the beginning some of her rhetoric was divisive, and aimed at me, because NONE of you told her what was going on. She had to figure it out herself, and she did. She wouldn’t have believed me if I told her because she came in when I was telling you all to go fuck off. That fact could have lead her easily to believe that I was an anti-social prick for it’s own sake.
And then often, her behavior indicated she’d rather bring people together than sow seeds of discontent. Nobody mentioned that. That is NOT indicative of a person that wants to harm the group. I don’t see that she possess any type of honed linguistically skill designed to get inside your brain. I suspect many of you don’t know the skills yourself to identify them.
She hasn’t mocked any point of view other than disagreed with me and Mr. Fix. I never felt like I was debating somebody that was trying to manipulate me. It’s likely, none of you can give a testimony where you felt your idea’s were being manipulated. That would be a fact, if you could describe the process being used, that would work against her being anything but herself.
Ruffian could be 10 people. Ruffian could be an extra terrestrial from Venus. Ruffian could be hired by Turd who has done research on forum sentiment as a person to inspire content. Ruffian could be the illegitimate daughter of Bill and Hillary Clinton, Ruffian could be the daughter of some reclusive billionaire just kicking around the world on a horse. YOU CAN’T TELL MUCH FROM THOSE FACTS OTHER than those who think that those facts mean she is a paid informant might have some emotional predisposition. And maybe her heathen ways rubs some more religious people the wrong way. I don’t know. But the science and the evidence tells me that the assertion is baseless just on those two “facts” and we are dealing with an extreme emotional prejudice.
So yes, it’s possible that Ruffian, Me and the doctor that left, Steve? and the other bearish gold bug were all deep state agents. The only problem is that none of you have stated the facts that would most correlate with that reality. Spelling, grammar, online behavior, and picture changing could just mean we’re all eating the worm in a bottle of mesquite. It’s also likely if you use facts the same way when you invest, you’re seeing more red than green.
Ruffian wrote: he pissed off a lotta people when he forces Scores to move. Hehe
he pissed off a lotta people when he forces Scores to move. Hehe
42nd Street. Pre-Guiliani
When Hugh Heffner had the playboy club here, he said that New York City is the MOST corrupt city in the nation. He had to grease more hands than in all the rest of the cities put together to stay in business.
So gentleman, if you come to New York, I'll show you a great time. You should see the ATM machines in that building. State of the art I tell ya.
Green Lantern wrote: Today I was at Costco. Anytype of shopping in any megastore can be a painful experience. When I go alone I am stratetic and quick. My wife likes to browse and cause me torture. She wants to get something at the food court and prolong my torture. This costco food court has four or five rows of picnic tables with maybe 3 feet between them for people to walk up and down the aisle to get their seat. A woman with a full shopping cart, parks it right in the aisle so nobody can enter or exit an entire row of seats on either side. Plops her pizza on the table and starts munching to her hearts content. This is what I call a sleep walker. I am sitting across in the next aisle, and I politely tell her that if she leaves her cart there, she is preventing other people from walking up and down, blocking the flow of traffic. I pointed out that there was a big space where she could put her cart without fear of people stealing it or blocking others from enjoying a bite to eat and a seat.
Today I was at Costco. Anytype of shopping in any megastore can be a painful experience. When I go alone I am stratetic and quick. My wife likes to browse and cause me torture.
She wants to get something at the food court and prolong my torture. This costco food court has four or five rows of picnic tables with maybe 3 feet between them for people to walk up and down the aisle to get their seat.
A woman with a full shopping cart, parks it right in the aisle so nobody can enter or exit an entire row of seats on either side. Plops her pizza on the table and starts munching to her hearts content.
This is what I call a sleep walker. I am sitting across in the next aisle, and I politely tell her that if she leaves her cart there, she is preventing other people from walking up and down, blocking the flow of traffic. I pointed out that there was a big space where she could put her cart without fear of people stealing it or blocking others from enjoying a bite to eat and a seat.
People are rude, trashy and inconsiderate. This woman has no thoughts of anyone else around her and can't see through her horse blinders. It is this type of person who would not buss her table after finishing and just walk off leaving her trash for someone else. In a traffic pattern (where I most often see these kind of folks) they mess up the normal flow pattern by blocking lanes with no consideration for others. I refer to it as wearing the (Bozo) wig. They have no idea they are causing others inconvenience and many couldn't even care less. They just have no concept of courtesy to others or personal pride.
AGXIIK wrote: but the fact is I imbibe infrequently and in moderation. A good whisky is a nice tipple. A gin and tonic delightful My liver is happy. All functions are good though milk thistle sounds like a good palliative. There was a time 40 years ago when I was anything but abstentious; until I quit my wicked wicked ways. 3 tobacco farmers went to soy beans, General Brewing filed chapter 11 and the state of Michoacan defaulted on its Eurobonds. The echoes of youthful indulgences still catch my attention, make me a bit wistful as I reflect on those times; fortunately the draw of intoxication is a reflection in the rear view mirror of age.
Well said. I too went through the issues with tobacco, alcohol and pot. I too grew out of the habits or addictions and have resolved myself to the one beer a day enjoyment. Yes Budweiser stock went down when I quit. We are both fortunate enough to have gotten out of those habits with most of our health.