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Tue, Apr 3, 2018 - 8:01am
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Tue, Apr 3, 2018 - 8:50am
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The Seth material…

Good morning,

Green Lantern, 

I've been pouring over the Seth material for the past couple of days, and find it quite interesting.

Seeing how some of it appears to be in contradiction to some of your assertions, I was curious to know your opinion on it.

I figured I'd go back to the start, and go through "Seth speaks”, to get a good grasp on his basic ideological underpinnings.

Did you know that he states that the devil is an imaginary construct? I thought that might interest you.

Another basic tenant, is that he doesn't seem to believe in anything such as the concept of evil, and considers what we would call evil as people who are simply "misinformed”. 

I have written as much in the past, with assertions such as "ignorance is evil”, but I can also demonstrate plenty of people we would consider evil, who are fully knowledgeable on the difference between right and wrong, and make a conscious choice to commit atrocities, bringing great harm to others, and doing it quite intentionally.

I will concede that the overwhelming majority of people whom we consider members of the "evil empire" are brain-dead and completely clueless, but they are certainly organized by people who have full knowledge of natural laws, and consciously place the most severe karmic repercussions of their decisions on the ignoramuses who follow their orders.

I still say there's no such thing as a order follower who is a good person, since they have abandoned their responsibility to exercise conscience.

So at least initially, I am in disagreement with Seth on that particular premise.

I also find him far more diplomatic than I am, regarding the origins of certain religions, where he ascribes a very low consciousness as the underpinnings of a belief in an imaginary sky daddy, and I suppose, to most followers, that could be considered true. But the priestcraft that invented this concept, did so with full knowledge of the philosophies that they were abandoning with the very distinct goal of consolidating their power over others, specifically by removing knowledge of natural law from society, and thus destroying its moral underpinnings.

Interestingly enough, the only religious construct that he feels was invented with malicious intent, is Constantine's brand of Christianity that willfully abandoned most of the principles put forth by Jesus Christ. 

He also has a distinctly different narrative on the life of Christ, when compared to the Bible, which my own research seems to independently support. He concurs with my opinion that Christ acquired the majority of his esoteric wisdom in Egypt.

I've been primarily focused on individual consciousness so far, although much of what was addressed in "Mass consciousness" is material I will go over again, since I am pretty much in agreement with most of his descriptions as to how consciousness evolves, and manifests reality.

His segments on dream interpretation were extremely useful, and can be readily applied.

Realistically speaking, I'm only about 2000 pages into his 6000 pages of material, but I at least have acquired a deeper understanding of how belief systems affect our perception of reality, and not just the perception of it, but how reality is actually created.

I'm looking forward to applying that concept to mass consciousness, and understanding the cycles from such a perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ItX6yy2rM

Have a nice day.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Tue, Apr 3, 2018 - 9:17am
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Hi Katie

It is nice to see you here. I too have wondered about the enigma that is Ruffian. I put it to bed however when it hit me that it really doesn't matter. She seems genuine enough and has lots of good info to share. You have been around here long enough to know that it is listen to everything and believe nothing.

I have seen charges leveled at GL that are very similar to your comment about Ruff. The answer is the same. If GL is a paid agent, he has certainly revealed some amazing information, and who cares? It is up to all of us to discern the information and decide what the truth is. If GL or Ruff turn out to be government agents, well, they sure taught me a lot and the conversation was nice. Fix actually helped me with this concept. I told him on the phone once when GL was being attacked that I did not believe GL to be a paid shill, he replied, "I don't care." I thought about for a second and then it hit me, "Me either."

On another note, did you see my post on Lyme Disease and Parasites? NWView has lots of good info on Parasites. I hope all is well with you Katie, I know you had a tough road for a while there. Be Well.

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 - 9:32am
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Fix, My purpose in posting

Fix, 

My purpose in posting that book was to look at the idea's that we discussed regarding quantum physics and how reality is created. The idea discussed on how the mass mind creates epidemics due to unconscious fear and how mass events are reflected by the mass mind.

It's a hard pill to swallow.

I can imagine a person who looks out at the world, all the violence, all the threats to our collective well being thinking that they have no involvement in greater events. Yet, I would say that the impending cycle of plaque or epidemics are created by the mass mind which you and I are also part of.

We confuse self-knowledge with the knowledge of the conscious ego personality. That's to say everybody here knows what he likes to eat, where he likes to vacation, his investment preferences, his views on the second amendment, on God, on the devil, but NONE of that has anything to do with self-knowledge and wasn't what Socrates was referring to when he said "Know thyself" Anybody can repeat a list of likes and dislikes or political beliefs. The ego only knows its own contents not the inner self or the psychic self and it's contents. MOst men wouldn't be able to recognize the 1000's of thoughts that flow through their mind at any moment. It's why some men are driven crazy in silence or meditation, they can't hear their thoughts because it's like a big jumble. 

So the average person measures his self-knowledge by what the average person in his social environment knows of himself, not the real spiritual facts which are for the most part hidden from him.

The unconscious of man behaves like the body with its physiological and anatomical structure, which the average person knows very little about. What is called self-knowledge is therefore dependent on social factors, on what goes on in the human mind.

HENCE, man, ALL MEN, possess a broad belt of unconsciousness, which is defenseless against all sorts of influences and psychic inflections which many deny exist in the first place. Secondly, most of our concepts about many of the things we discuss seem to be gotten second hand, through others who might be unconsciousness about why they believe what they believe to be true. Few people ever stop to ask....how did I form that believe or assumption?

Most people's idea's, knowledge, and fears are based upon theory because he knows very littlle about himself despite all the scientific work that is available to us and how the unconsious mind works. When we discuss the work of Emoto that information becomes just an item of passing interest and we never use it to understand reality. 

I'd go as far as saying these mechanisms have effected our understanding of markets. Because when we take postulates given to us by others and wrap emotions around them, there is no interest in identifying idea's that we know take ownership of and personalize.

So the entire idea of recommending that book was to connect ourselves to the events. The operation of our mind and how it plays into the theory of quantum physics. I can't think of too many books that take on that challenge so I am left posting a channeled book with some information that is pretty good. But I'm not ascerting all the information is 100% accurate. This is why I don't like these sort of books because people make the ascertion that something channelled from a group of dead people must be 100% enlightened. In this case, there is some good material, and some fuzzy stuff.

That was the point I hoped to make through posting that book. I don't think we will go beyond "gold is the only thing worth anything because the rest is bullshit" That might be a hard conversation to examine because of emotions tied to the subject.

As far the "devil" and "evil" Well, I believe in evil. That's not that hard of a leap. Bad people do bad things. So evil. It's not good. All things have an opposite in this world so evil is the opposite of good.

As far as the concept of the "devil" That's a pretty big one. Another new area of investigation for DOTS. Where do I wish to go with this one? I want to take the easiest route possible. Maybe leave a little room for the imagination.

If I were writing a book on the nature of evil in a Judio/Christian culture and for ease sake and for the sake of mutual understanding and I wanted to talk about the dynamic of evil, I might use the word "devil" Because that word is hardwired into our culture. Doesn't matter if you are Christian or not. We live in a Christian culture including heathens, athiests, and agnostics and woo woo believers. We all live under this umbrella. Our concept of time and our calendars have a Christian influence, the days we all take off, is Christian influenced, our concept of days, our laws, and many more things are influenced by Christian theology. You'd realize how much you were influenced by a Christian culture if you moved to INdia or a part of the Middle East that is an Islamic. Yet, these cultures and many more have a concept of a negative force to, not all dissimilar but not exactly alike either. 

Just like our conversation about Shiva and Kali and the Egyptian God Sekhment I always emphasis the impersonal nature of these forces acting in the world because they are forces, but they are more and it's not a topic I ever wished to tackle, and I've noticed in past conversations it's not a topic the Christians wished to tackle.

Suffice to say that a creator which we term God can be made in the image produced by mind. The counter force or diety can have the same qualities. In another words, my understanding of it wouldn't exactly hold any mustard under the umbrella of Christian theology. It's a bit more complex and a whole lot less evil in that this negative force has a mission and a place in the natural order or hierarchies if you prefer. Any more discussion that goes against the hard wiring of our culture might be pointless. 

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 - 9:53am (Reply to #21047)
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I tend to take what is useful, and leave the rest of it.

I don't put the Seth material on any particular pedestal, like so many other sources, it's just information, and when you boil it down, it's basically just the informed opinion of one particular entity.

It's quite possible that Seth was trying to work within a Judeo Christian construct, since that is probably the audience he was trying most to reach.

It's also the audience most in need of redirection since they are so indoctrinated into an objectively false construct and belief system.

It has also been said that even Jesus Christ needed to express certain concepts in a manner comprehendible to first century Jews, which didn't work out very well, as well as others of different ideological constructs, with which he had marginally better success.

Thank you for the reply,

I've still got plenty of material to go through concerning the nature of the individual soul, before I start to focus on mass consciousness. 

At least I find most of his material reasonably comprehensible, and I like a narrative that is both plainspoken and informative.

It seems to be reasonably useful in the pursuit of "knowing thyself", which is always a good starting point for understanding anything else.

Have a nice day.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Tue, Apr 3, 2018 - 1:00pm
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Hey Ruffian, Seems you and

Hey Ruffian, 

Seems you and me now have alot in common!!devilwink

Please come down to the security office by the end of the day to have your photo ID taken that will allow you into our meetings. Team luncheons are held every Thursday between 1pm and 2pm. The company picnic is scheduled for July 1st in Langley Park.

Now for the terse, yet informative response.

If you are a person that has been reading this forum over the years AND have totally ignored how a person who would want to gain your favor, embed themselves in this community, influence your decision making, distract you, ensure you ignore ancient understanding of the modern world, and how the best way to go about it and use proven techniques to do it, you walk away with NO understanding of these dynamics. SHAME ON YOU. FOR YOU ARE THE IMPOSTER!!! TO CLAIM ANY FORM OF ENLIGHTENMENT separate from the mass consciousness and then to POST misleading, blatantly FALSE information about another member is APPREHENSIBLE. 

Now some of you are thinking to yourself, settle down GL. She is an elderly widow farmer living by herself out in the wilderness so cut her some slack whose popularity stems from her apparent innocence and her ability to post the same post about the intelligence of adding to your stack despite price dynamics for the last 7 years. Yeah, it's all very cute. Until one day, she goes to the sheriff and accuses an innocent man of raping her goat.

Whatever reason Ruffian changes her photo HAS NO connection to an AGENDA!!! where does this sudden ephiphany and bravado to come in here and make personal accusation come from? Do you think you are really convincing anybody? Do you think that anybody here believes that for one moment? Anymore than anybody else really believes that I'm divulging the secrets and timing of economic turning points resembles the agenda of a member of the TPTB ?

You're out of your league here. You're off base and You're OUT OF ORDER. Now because you are elderely and lack any form of sophistication in your analysis of events, finances, and peoples motives, I'd just assume to take away your car key's and give you the money to call a taxi service.

While Ruffian and I are probably miles apart on some issues, we seem to have one thing in common. We're the wrong people to play rookie dective on. We are the wrong people to test your layman psychological, illogical theories upon. Ruffian might even be more tactful than me. But for Christ sake, call her multiple personalities because she CHANGES her picture.

I call this the turning point ..... THE END OF REASON has arrived.

With all the conversations we've had about morality, natural law, and basically doing the right thing, should we turn a blind eye to lawless youths or the elderly and infirmed? I feel bad for her personal tragedy, but that doesn't give her a free pass to post PAB. I'd prefer that her post be deleted on the account of ignorance for the same reason that most of you want the liberal establishment ended for their endless lies. While the magntitute of the two are different, it's the samething.

There are people who are overtly lying about Trump. But the vast majority of their followers, just don't know any better. 

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The enigma that is Ruffian

The enigma that is Ruffian .....

I expect that after decades of bounding around while seated on top of all those horses the molecules of her rear and those of the horses backs may have got mixed together under such agitation and vibrations with the result that by now she could even be part woman part horse. devil

An equine enigma possibly ..... smiley

Katie Rose you're welcome in DOTS, but I think you missed the target on that one somewhat.

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Tue, Apr 3, 2018 - 3:50pm
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Katie Rose's opinion is hers...

Everyone is entitled to speak their piece. She did. I have to agee that Ruffian has become more eloquent compared to her initial offerings--and more urbane as well.

Not that she wasn't urbane and eloquent at the start--she just didn't show it then.

I don't know Katie Rose from Adam, but she has a right to say what she thinks.

Tue, Apr 3, 2018 - 4:09pm
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Always welcome here

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That doesn't mean I have to agree with either of you. wink

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
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I see the damage control

I see the damage control operation is in full swing. 

"I don't know Katie Rose from Adam, but she has a right to say what she thinks."

NO She DOES NOT.

This is a fundamental and flawed interpretation of free speech. She is free to throw hate speech at Ruffian, but she is not free to throw slander or libel. Under common law, derived from natural law, a defamatory statement that is not provable constitutes a criminal crime.

Ruffian changes her picture, her behavior is different on somedays or from her early appearance. (or my good spelling days and bad spelling days) HAS ZERO correlation to her being a person that seeks to undermine the group thought process. If Ruffian was trying to persuade you, using any number of techniques, make you believe a falsehood (which was NOT the allegation and none was put forward) then that would be the first thing you mention.

HOw she comports herself in a forum only speakers to her particular personality, not her associations or purpose for being here. 

This is a logical fallacy because it draws a conclusion based on a false premise. 

I can call you an idiot. I am free to do so under free speech because it is simply a statement. Yet, it is still an ad hominem. Now if I said you are an idiot, therefore you are wrong" This is an ad hominem because I am attacking you, not any argument you've made. Implicit in Katie Roses accusation is that Ruffian is a disinformation agent with an agenda because an ad hominem has an underlying implication of spreading a false hood. 

Her statement feels under a natural law umbrella, and it fails under criteria of logic, 

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Sheeeeit

I still see the horse avatar. Is that pic Fix posted you Ruffian? surpriseDamn. I would have been more polite, and pretended to have money. blush Who tf is dis Jays dude, anyway? laugh

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Waifu!!!! No pressure ;-)

GL - BIG hat tip to you. I saw Katie's post and thought of you, tbh, 'oh, is this the part where GL gives the emphatic defense he expects from others over a silly allegation?' ... and you totally did! 

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I Run Bartertown wrote: GL -

I Run Bartertown wrote:

GL - BIG hat tip to you. I saw Katie's post and thought of you, tbh, 'oh, is this the part where GL gives the emphatic defense he expects from others over a silly allegation?' ... and you totally di

Au contraire on multiple points.

I don't expect an emphatic defense by a group that poured their blood and sweat into hoping that inkel's accusation had as long as a life cycle as it did.

Secondly, because you are having a moment of astuteness (I'll cough up a hat tip for you) you realize that such an allegation is absurd, silly.

The funny thing is, I'll bet the lint in my pocket, I imagine Katie Rose was dead serious, believes it to be true, just as she believes I am a disinformation agent. Absurdly wrong on two accounts. Which begs the question was the ring leader delusional/paranoid, or just being an ass? I know your answer on the latter because you gave it before. 3rd curtain. Justifiable dickishness. 

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Ruffian wrote:who would have

Ruffian wrote:

who would have EVER believed I would be in the same treehouse as you eh ? Actually that's making you look bad hehe. 

YOu could interpret it as making me look really good. It depends if you take such an allegation seriously, or see it's obvious absurdness. In your case, they ran out of the gate to mention it's obsurd nature. Awww, they like you better than me. 

Ag on numerous occaisions, not just where I'm involved, usually is quick to make just observations about the behavior of others. There are some other good community citizens that if I had to live in a system of anarchy, would be good candidates. Willingness to do the right thing when no other force of law is present. 

How many spelling mistakes in that one? 

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