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Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 8:50am
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Ruffian,  Your views on fair


Your views on fair trade are the same views the MSM and Trump have been pumping into your head. Not based on economic theory. Fair trade-just don't buy their stuff if you don't like it. This is the result of political postulates which is what they all do. As somebody in the vault said, it's all political bullshit, Make America Great Again, Evil China etc, etc, etc, ad nausem. It's why I am such a dick because I keep trying to stress to ignore the words, the promises.

Larry Kudlow's track record is abysml. He wants a war on China and he is telling you to SELL YOUR GOLD. Of course, he'll never discuss the true economic realities of either.

Maybe arguing economic policy is a fools' errand with me being the fool. So I present you with an emotional arguement not based on any good logic because it's more persuasive.

Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 8:59am (Reply to #20342)
Joined: Oct 8, 2012

Larry Kudlow thoughts

I have told my kids for years that if the media says look over here then your should look 180 degrees in the opposite direction.

I think this is time for the George Costanza strategy of investing


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Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 9:12am
Mr. Fix
Joined: Jun 8, 2012

A gift for Ruffian

Did you know that I follow many narratives that I don't believe in?


There's a whole bunch of bullshit flying around, for example,"Ex-" CIA officers disseminating information to the alternative press like a tidal wave, all supporting the notion that Trump is going to save the planet earth from the evil cabal.

For every action, which seems to be quite vague, such as executive orders seizing the assets of anyone Trump declares a criminal, makes people invision dopey notions like Hillary hogtied and purp-walked.

In this completely imaginary scenario,

it's still pure theft, as one set of criminals robs another set of criminals, but people cheer at the notion.

You picked out Alex Jones as an idiot, and correctly so.

I've got a two hour interview where Dave Hodges of the Commonsense Show interviews ex-CIA operative Robert David Steel,

Who lays out the case for Saint Donald Trump.

I considered Dave an honest seeker of the truth, but hopelessly bamboozled by the bull shit.

He's going to make a lot of things sound like great ideas, when in reality, it is just a restructure of earths enslavement matrix.

I just didn't want you to think that I'm one-sided on all issues,

I understand what's going on, a few, (very few) people have a grasp on what's happening, and then you've got the tidal wave of bullshit from the CIA, a narrative all of us patriots are supposed to be rooting for.

When the smoke clears after the patriots declare victory, it will be far, far too late to assert any freedom, or any human rights.

Keep in mind, this is a battle for your mind, and your soul, if you believe in such things.

Click on this link, and scroll down to the videos. It's decent entertainment at best.

But millions, upon millions of people believe this shit, and that's what makes it dangerous.


"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 10:00am
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

Yesterday, a bunch of us New

Yesterday, a bunch of us New Yorkers were talking about the old New York. There old New YOrk is older than my older New York, but my old New York was still pretty good.

Conversation goes something like this....

Remember when the Grand Concourse in the Bronx was like 5th Avenue? The men and women all wore hats, suits and dresses?

Women didn't go shopping with pants so tight where you could see all their parts?

Remember, the old Jewish Butchers? If Mrs. Goldstein was short, the butcher would give her the chicken and say don't worry about it. Just pay me when your social security check comes in?

Peoplle dressed better, people were more courteous, the food was better, the stores were better, it was cheaper to live.

Then in the late 80's something happened? It started to change? All the Jews, the Irish, the Italians, they started moving out of the bronx into Queens. More blacks, Puerto Ricans started to move into the Grand Concourse (Welfare state started building)

Neighbrhoods in Queens that were all Jewish suddenly had Russian Jews who dressed poorly, spoke poorly.

The Italian Neighborhood is all Mexican.

When Sears was in business, if you had a problem, they'd take it back, no problem. No questions asked. Then they began charging for repairs. OUT OF BUSINESS.

The subways were a nickel. (That's long before my time)

And so on and so on until your nostalgia is suddenly interrupted by reality. A mexican guy looking for a quarter in his pocket, and dumps all the shit in his pocket on the table including dust, pennies, and two joints.

I WANT THE OLD WORLD BACK TOO. I want the old days when live was simplier, easier, people were courteous, well groomed, and educated either through schooling or good upbringing.



America can never be that way again.

We have advanced too far, over the edge. 150 years of political promises. IT NEVER WORKS.

I'm not even saying everything was better back than. We are more aware now. We talk about things that people never imagined. More advanced technology even in health care.

Was it a better time? It depeneds how you quantify better.

Clean beaches, clean streets, clean highways, clean parks. No more!!! Gone. You can't legislate changes in human nature.

We have to come to grips with reality. How did things get this way? WE FORGOT. WE WERE BRAINWASHED. WE HAD AMNESIA. Because we keep looking to the same promises, the same people, to make it better. It's a dysfunctional system replete with corruption. The corruption, special interests, lack of principle, philosophical rigors and intellectual prowess of it's electorate ensures it keeps getting worse.

They will always trick the unassuming public until it gets so bad that everybody heads for the streets.

How long can we hold onto this illusion that it's going to get better and that we can vote our way, legislate our way back to the good ole days?

There is something within us that refuses to let go of the past.

Until we go back to principle, and oh yeah, that old tiresome, burdonsome conversation of natural law AKA DO WHAT's Right.

We ain't going nowhere fast.

I'll put my whole stack, my house, my wife on that bet.

Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 10:20am
Joined: Jan 20, 2013

Last month :

A Vox Day blog from a day last month 02.02.2018 seems appropriate for the conversation this morning:


argentus maximus Rhythm and Price https://www.greenhobbymodel.com/rhythmnprice.html This analysis - global markets
Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 11:54am (Reply to #20346)
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

argentus maximus wrote:A Vox

argentus maximus wrote:

A Vox Day blog from a day last month 02.02.2018 seems appropriate for the conversation this morning:

Voxday Darkstream 02.02.2018 No Way Back - The FBI Memo

Interesting guy and interesting blog. Listening and going back through his posts.

Check out his post on Tillerson. It's interesting he only notes why he fired Tillerson, but not why he brought two pretty corrupt CIA people in his position and the comments hint at something but don't address it. As a matter of fact, it's relatively quiet in terms of explanation by his supporters why he did this. The persuasion narrators have ignored it so far. It was my first question what is shifting? And why? We only address the who and what they did....

Is this an Art of War move? Keep your enemies close?

Bring them in the fold, like he did Guiliani and Chris Christie, and then spit them out?

Bring Tillerson in the fold, spit him out.

Disconnect head of CIA from his entrenched position, bring him into the White House and spit him out. You can't fight him from his entrenched position. Put Ms. Dark Evil torture into the limelight out of the swamp. Let Rand Paul and congress pick her apart. Get rid of her?

There is alot of 4D manuevers going on and it's easy to get sucked into the 3d narrative.

Trump supporters-You're welcome.

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Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 4:55pm
Madison, WI
Joined: Jun 19, 2012

Neocons lusting for war...

They are really rattling the sabers, and stirring up the war-like rhetoric now.

They so desperately want war with Russia. Now Nicki Haley has set up NYC (or some other city) for another CIA-FBI inspired false flag attack.

And all of this just since Trump kicked HRC's ass in November of 2016.

Well, actually before then...the ball really got rolling when the CIA helped overthrow Ukraine's government, and blamed the mess on Russia "stealing" Crimea.

I hope GL is right, and Trump is trying to move the biggest swamp-dwellers to a spot he can slay them...

Right now, he is agreeing with May and Haley on the BS Russia poison story. But, he has a regular habit of changing his mind. Guess we'll see soon enough.

Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 7:04pm (Reply to #20352)
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

ancientmoney wrote: I hope GL

ancientmoney wrote:

I hope GL is right, and Trump is trying to move the biggest swamp-dwellers to a spot he can slay them...

My best guess. Putting two as Fix would say "demonic" people in those positions is one of two things. The Art of War (and they would be smart enough to know it (maybe?) or total take over by the deep state.

Either way, as that guy Vox said that AM posted this morning, it doesn't end well.


On another note, Ya can tell this guy is smart. Reading his blogs and watching some of his past video's. Good thinker, good analysis. Never a bad thing to check out what other people are saying on different things who have a world model and good thought process.

Like me and Fix he has ventured into some of the "philosophic" debates on government. I think it's important. I guess so does he, and so does Mr. Fix. Everybody needs a "working" model of the world. I use it as a measurement of how far we have strayed from the original principles.

He is a reformed libertarian. Reformed that he doesn't think it's feasible, workable in a complicated world.

Our libertarian, free market vs anarchy are largely philosophic. My trying to use all sorts of esoteric models to understand what's going on and what will happen. That's realist.

He's basically using my argument that I used on Fix about anarchy on libertarianism. It won't work. It hasn't been tested and doesn't consider the "group" dynamic. All those principles I took out of the IChing philosophy.

Vox Day Darkstream 05.06.2017 Why Libertarianism is Dead

I don't totally disagree with him.

Libertarianism is dead like jazz is dead. Jazz is no longer a commerically viable or succesful music except for those who are commercially succesful and make lots of money and alot of people go pay to see. Dead to me is non-existent. So jazz is not dead or libertarian thought.

Maybury makes the opposite arguement, has anybody ever done a study that shows that government works? No. Do you need to? It runs it's cycle and declines.

It's not a perfect world, and humans' aren't perfect. And there really is a negative force in the world to ensure that earth never becomes a perfect world.

So maybe all arguements are useless because the cycle is the cycle? If I thought so, than I wouldn't continue reading books on theories of government.

There will never be peace on earth, wars never go away, poverty never goes away, and good ole days never come back. No system of government, currently, can override the basic human instinct.

Sure, I think it is "possible" given ideal conditions, but two of us can never agree on basic elements of the nature of reality. What are the best remedies for the disease, what caused the disease and how to prevent the disease?

These are "brain" exercises. The only real solution I can see is get the hell out of the way of a moving train, put your money house in order, know how to heal your shit, and find peace with the universe, higher power in whatever way works for you.

Thu, Mar 15, 2018 - 7:11pm (Reply to #20352)
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

oops Dup

doobie doobie doo

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Fri, Mar 16, 2018 - 12:35am (Reply to #20353)
Mr. Fix
Joined: Jun 8, 2012

Crap, crap, crap.

I just wrote a great reply to that Vox Day video, it took me over an hour to do what was essentially a point by point analysis, and my Safari crashed in the editing process, and I lost it.

Seeing as I'm already exhausted from a long, long day at work, with another one scheduled to begin first thing in the morning,

It's not likely I'm going to be taking the time to rewrite it.

Take my word for it guys, it was epic.

I must say, it's difficult to walk away from a topic I feel so passionate about, but I've already said what needed to be said, even if I'm the only one who ever heard it.

Hope is a Scam, Like Authority

Sweet dreams.cheeky

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Fri, Mar 16, 2018 - 4:48am
Joined: Sep 14, 2011

cycles are boring spirals are fun. - Saiko-Pod

You can not go spiral if not relaxed. that's what all fear and manmade troubles are for, to own you.

Game is leveled with short lifespan and evil plans going for aeons, it is a beautiful thing.

good wknd for u all.


Fri, Mar 16, 2018 - 5:38am (Reply to #20318)
New Zealand
Joined: Mar 7, 2013


I am Tuesdays child. Should I take cover?

Fri, Mar 16, 2018 - 8:38am
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

There is no deep

There is no deep state.


Gina Haspel warrant for her arrest for international crimes.


This puzzle has got me.

Fri, Mar 16, 2018 - 9:08am
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

well, Voxday darkstream guy

well, Voxday darkstream guy lost me. He contradicts himself and uses sophistry.

First off, he acknowledges, correctly yesterday, it doesn't work out.

And on another video he says Libertarian has not been tested and than cites a couple of libertarians that have their own personal views different than the founding fathers.

Well the alt-right version of reality is being tested right now? How is it working?

Well that's because the opposing force won't allow it.

That means you are not sitting in a paradigm that considers the whole.

His arguement on free trade, he uses both ad hominem and sophistry against Ben Shapiro who is apparanty making a similar arguement as me based on David Ricardo's free trade economic philosophy.

He accuses Ben Shapiro of rotely repeating the philosophy. Ok, let's say he is. That doesn't speak to it being right or wrong.

Than he calls him stupid before he makes his case, although I read his earlier blog where he tries to make the case.

Which he does basic calculations to show we have a trade deficit. He totally ignores the issue of currency, and trade is both jobs and consumers.

He doesn't provide any historical support for his thesis other than saying that if we say it doesn't work, it's bullshit.

What I see is a guy, like a reformed smoker or drinker, that goes out on a campaign to stop everybody from doing what he did.

He is a libertarian gone al-right because he is angry that things didn't work out and now believes that force and manipulation is the best fix while ignoring the causitive factors of how the trade deficit was created, and ignoring that natural law is not a philosophy. It's a real law in action. If you break it, it has consequences. It's not a moral argument any more than jumping off a high ledge is a moral arguement. It has consequences in the future while nobody is paying attention.

Manipulation favors the NOW thinker. Short term gain while ignoring the long term consequences.


Fri, Mar 16, 2018 - 9:44am (Reply to #20359)
Joined: Jan 20, 2013

He is a member of the right.

He is a member of the right. Anti-left. Not ultra right (though the left attempt to call any right wing people who are demonstrating real effectiveness as being ultra right - leading to the false mainstream media claim "All alt-right" = "far-right").

So he's partisan. Sure. Take what's good and let him get on with the rest as he wants.

Without good generals on the right the left will overrun the middle and have almost completed that at this stage. You want libertarianism? Never get it without balance between left and right! there won't be "wisdom" where people decide to not follow an extreme, they will always emote and leave their centre to follow and be servants of a cause/leader.

With dominant left good right leaders are required.

But the next big threat will follow the anti blasphemy legislation being currently enacted to protect middle eastern religions. In time that will generate the new ecclesiastical power which follows dominating state as sure as night follows day.

I remember when I brought Naomi Klein's work documenting Disaster Capitalism and Shock Doctrine to TFMR there were plenty who said she is left wing and therefore not to be considered.

Wisdom and knowledge is where you find it, but a great many people don't look properly and they expect to discover wisdom and knowledge where their preconceptions say it should be.

Vox Day's contribution is he tells people who the bullies are and exposes their tactics including the covert manipulative ones. He provides a knowledge base to counteract and oppose peer pressure from mobs of intellectual dwarves with big mouths. He is a detox program for the SJW addicted who have noticed what's wrong with their leadership and now see their mistake.

Vox tried the middle (political libertarianism not apolitics) and becoming disillusioned with ineffectiveness against the left mainly he moved rightwards. Now he shows how the far left can move moddlewards.

But he does more than that. In critiquing eg Shapiro he has drawn something else into the light. Now there's someone whose star seems to be rising amid a shattered right. Remember how well Trump did it? Who helped nim? Remember how easily the BLM guy did it at the rally of his opponents? He was other side and lower echelon, but was educated in some unusual skills.

And Shapiro's star is just rising because he's so well spoken. Yeah and what else is there not visible.

Somebody has to train the generals and protect the troops from infiltration. Provide support, provisions, advise, other logistics. It goes for both sides, and for the prominent individuals who emerge. What is Rhodes Scholarship but the same sort of helping hand?

Vox can do that at social media level quite well. He produces a mix of rallying calls for a broken and subverted-leftwards right, mixed with sharp observation and insightful commentary. Take the politics if you like or leave it if you prefer. There's more there than just that. Read his material on SJW tactics for example. It's quite anti-Alinsky and valuable.

argentus maximus Rhythm and Price https://www.greenhobbymodel.com/rhythmnprice.html This analysis - global markets
Fri, Mar 16, 2018 - 10:26am (Reply to #20360)
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

Sure, I'm willing not to

Sure, I'm willing not to throw out the baby with the bath water and acknowledge that outing these entrenched left idiots is useful. And acknowledge that the Libertarian movement agree but the movement hasn't coalesced into a group dynamic that has any power or leverage at this time in the real world, other than providing understanding. It has no leader. And Ron Paul would be 10 ft under the moment he went to dismantle the military/industrial complex.

I don't know anything about Ben Shapiro other than watching a few video's by him on transgender agenda and now reading his economic stance on trade. So he might very well have his own agenda and just reading from the stand point of this one issue.

Vox fails to mention that when the dollar soared in value, European countries began to default on their debts. The politicians responded with a trade war simply because the currency rose. Trump wants to the same thing and drive us into the same crisis if he follows through. No different than during the Great Depression when the Dollar Index rose nearly 50% in 1932 and FDR decided that the solution was to devalue the dollar.

I also recognize that we live in a world where tariffs are a reality. That's why I said if Trump did levy a 10% tax across the board (pissing off the liberals) and ,index it to the US dollar index and avoid a protectionism crisis and deal with currency but the bankers aren't going to let him do that.

My response isn't partisan and probably wouldn't be embraced by the volunteerism, the libertarians, but it could avoid both extremes of an extreme trade deficit and a protectionism crisis. Of course, the left would also cry bloody murder.

Whatever his brand of the right, the truth doesn't have to be either extreme just for the sake of taking on your enemies.

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