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Don't get caught Words of wisdom

Slouching through life as a GMUS, I love being invisibel

Its funny about all those things we're warned about today were commonplace back then

No one I knew got killed on the jungle gym, poked out an eye running with scissors, hurt anyone with the pellet rifle, damaged the car driving it without state license, suffocated on small objects, drowned because they swam right after eating. Maybe someone else did but that's Darwinian thinning the herd. And even that didn't work real well.

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In the beginning their was

In the beginning there was light. Then the Great God in the sky scratched his chin and said what is next? So on the second day he created man and his favorite beast and a chain to walk him.

On the 3rd day, God said, let their be great cities, with wide sidewalks and streets. The streets were beautiful with no potholes so man could drive his new invention with wheels a great distance to buy things and see things he read about on the internet. The sidewalks were wide, and pristine, empty of all garbage. 

One day a man said, let me take my beast out on the sidewalk, and together we will walk Soon other men liked this idea and taking their domesticated beasts out not he sidewalk to sniff other beasts. A community was formed of humans who take their cute beasts out on the cities great sidewalks. 

One day, one of the beasts began to squad, and laid a sticky, dirty mess on the sidewalks while nobody was watching. The owner said, Oh my, that sure is dirty and stinky. I’d be clean it up before anybody else see’s it.

Soon everybody learned their beasts enjoyed dropping their stinky messes on the beautiful sidewalks as a symbol of their canine pride.

Now the men felt like slaves. Once they could walk up and down the street without uninterreption enjoying the sights, but now their canines all wanted to dirty the filthy sidewalks. One man said, this is now a burden on me. I can no longer enjoy my walks without having to pick up my dogs stinky messes. So he said, I want freedom from this job, so I’ll leave the stinky mess on the sidewalk for other humans to walk upon and it is no longer my burden. FREEDOM. 

Soon others got the notion that they to could enjoy such freedom. And allowed their dogs to lay stinky messes wherever they pleased and freed themselves of the burden of having to handle and dispose of stinky messes.

The honest and moral members of the community were outraged. Now their shoes and houses smelled and they walked on the sidewalks with great care trying to avoid stepping in stinky messes.

The honest, moral members of the community said, how are we going to solve the stinky mess situation? One of the honest members of the community said I know, I have a new invention, it’s called a law. It’s a code of conduct that when breached allows us a community to counter encroach upon this person. In exchange for his freedom, we’ll take a $100’s out of his bank account to limit his freedom by a $100.00.

The other honest members of the community said, GREAT IDEA for the rest had no better solution.

Soon the law was enacted and men hired to dispense of the law. The stinky mess layers were very upset that somebody would encroach on their total freedom to walk without picking up the mess. So they resorted to walking their beasts before the sun rose so nobody would see the stinky mess. They circumvented the law.

For others the law was a deterrent and they no longer let their beasts lay their stinky messes on the sidewalk. The law wasn’t a perfect deterrent but it had some effect. A cleaner sidewalk was an improvement.

The anarchists screamed, soon these fine collectors are going to abusing the system and asking for extra and sticking some in their pocket. Do away with the fine collectors and we’ll man the street themselves. The problem is that these men are ignorant due to manipulation of their dna by an elite group, so they don’t know better. We need to reeducate them without fine collectors.

The first stinky layer started a cycle. A cycle that had to be completed. It started the cycle of stinky dog layers, it started the cycle of law enforcement which eventually declined into holding power over dog walkers. And all these first causes were put into motion. Natural Law. We were no longer the Garden of Eden. Welcome to Planet earth.

One man’s freedom is another man’s slavery.

Ag and Gold Way’s testimony on their relationship to guns are truth. Not eternal, absolute, unchanging truth. Their experience of life. One has a sense of freedom, maybe even wonder and has forged a relationship with his guns. It’s a weapon, it’s a hobby, it’s enjoyment and he gets a sense of freedom. TRUTH. HIS TRUTH.

Gold Way feels a little more trepidation about holding guns. She’d prefer not to but see’s no other choice in a world of stinky mess layers. TRUTH

Others feel impinged upon, feelings of anxiety and nervousness around big guns. You say it shouldn’t be that way. They have a preference. I’d rather live separate and away from guns. Should we deny this person their truth because your truth is bigger.

How do we resolve all these individual truths at a global level? We don’t. They are at odds. Each person experiences freedom in a different way.

A person will seek out the place or circumstances where they can experience maximum freedom, away from fear.

A gun holder fears secure in an evil world with guns. A person who fears guns feels happier and more tranquil away from guns.

NO RESOLUTION.

So we hire other men to debate and legislate our desires, our fears and preferences. 

A perfect world where all men follow the golden rule doesn’t exist. That’s absolute truth because we are dealing with an imperfect condition. The human Condition.

While eternal truths might be absolute, The Chinese say, NOT HERE ON EARTH. Absolutes don’t exist on earth even if you want them to Good, bad and a lot of in-between. That will be the constant dance of humanity. They called that Book The Way of Change.

You can be in competition with the natural order or you can dance as close to the middle path as possible. Earth is not a place where you get your way 100% of the time. We move from balance to one extreme, back to the middle point, back to the other extreme. All our bantering does little to effect this see saw because society doesn’t know balance. It’s constantly looking for men to manipulate the see saw in the directions of their preferences and then the see saw overshoots and we go back the other way.

The truth of what is the perfect balance of freedom and controls in an imperfect world can’t be seen by human’s. There is always somebody that wants to take away your freedoms, and there is always somebody fighting for more freedom. We don’t even agree what actions create more freedom and which actions create less freedom. Punish China so we have more economic freedom. Ok. But in 50 years will anybody remember if it didn’t work?

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@Ruffian

Saved. I speed read it and it's fascinating. Will reread it again later,and get back to you, thanks.

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Mr. Fix wrote:You are a

Mr. Fix wrote:

You are a propagandist wet dream.

Any argument based on the constitution, I also consider invalid, because although they are loosely based on natural laws, sprinkled in them, are terms like "well regulated”, giving an entity we call government the final word on whether or not your natural born rights will be allowed, or will not be.

But I didn't misrepresent the Founders philosophy on the subject. I posted the othercside of the story which nobody else was going to do. And I used their documents and writings. Not pieces pulled by somebody else. That's not propoganda. That's having more information to make a more compelling arguement.

You are dabbling with hubris if you think your version of natural law is more informed than the Founders who studied ancient texts, spoke and wrote Greek and Latin and studied volumes of texts on Natural Law.

https://www.pappaspost.com/the-classical-education-of-the-founding-fathers-was-greek-almost-the-official-language-of-the-united-states/

 We have Mark Passio. We are all set.

They thought that these texts were so important, a few of them thought we should speak and read Greek. 

Have you read Vergil, Horace, Justinian, Nepos, Caesar, Tacitus, Lucretius, Eutropius, Phaedrus, Herodotus, Thucydides, and Plato. Have you studied the texts on English Common Law and Irish Common Law from where we borrowed the punishments from which we would dispense upon individuals who broke common law?

How many American's have a copy of the Constitution, Plato's Republic, The Federalist papers and have read them?

Jefferson would write letters to Adams in Greek. 

They weren't ignorant landlubbers fucking around. They were serious. They didn't write in twitter feeds or dabble in sophistry. They were deep thinkers, serious philosophers, and driven. NOT PERFECT. They didn't believe the average man was capable of making informed decisions about the republic.

Hobbes, Locke, Blackstone, Aquinas, Frances Hutcherson, David Hume and LOOOONG list of others. This doesn't include esoteric writings on the subject. It's hubris to think you've considered all their arguements and can accurately guage exactly what is going on in the world and how to apply these principles in the exact recipe to fix things.

I'm not inclined to skip this conversation because there are bunch of people in the world that have had their DNA messed with and don't know better than to pick up their beasts stinky mess. I know better and so do some of you.

We take natural law out of this conversation and you have NOTHING. You take ancient philosophies and eternal truths out of this conversation than I might as well join a political party, paint a sign and give me hard earned money to some guy who has more than he'll be able to spend.

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We are all going to need

We are all going to need bigger guns.

Putin unveils new "untrackable" super missile

We're broken. Putin smells the weakness of America and before you know it could overcome NATO's position in Europe. 

Obama messed things up with Putin. But Trump should have left it alone and not armed the Ukraines. He didn't let Putin save face in Ukraine. 

While we are focused on the left demonizing Trump and Putin, Putin is interested in Empire building. Roman's did it and they let everybody keep their culture. Putin not so much interested. He believes more is better and makes him stronger. This counters his economic problems at home.

He announced it on a Full Moon. Native american's called this a Worm Moon. 

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Ruffian wrote: Remarkable

Ruffian wrote:

 Remarkable they were still able to work out such a formidable document.

That's the unseen miracle. Moses parting the Red Sea was an easy trick. 

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Because it's funny. 

Because it's funny. 

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UFO Lands on White House

UFO Lands on White House Lawn, and in other news, Trump seizes guns without due process. "Drop Your Weapons" 

Go for it!

I recommend the "Slippery Slope Argument" where one thing leads to another. 

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This too...

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First off,

That narrative by AGXIIK was over-the-top excellent. 

Green Lantern,

You are now entering into territory that you have occasionally accused me of. Substituting what is obviously differences of opinion, as truth.

If people feel safer with guns, that's because they are. But at this level, it is still an opinion, but statistically provable.

If people feel safer without guns, that's just fine, but feelings are not facts. It is also an opinion, and largely irrelevant.

In one of your previous posts, the one I coined your Communist manifesto, you said there is no natural law right to own a gun.

Wrong.

You say you support the second amendment, which is fine, but the second amendment does not give you a right to own a gun.

The second amendment with the words "Well regulated militia” makes "Shall not be infringed” completely irrelevant.

All three words in "well regulated militia” are subjective, and open to interpretation. Who gets to interpret them?

Typically, the only interpretation that matters is done by a bunch of unelected megalomaniacal, psychopathic, Satan worshiping, baby fucking, power-hungry, bureaucratic, parasitical, self-serving shit heads that can interpret those words any way they damn well please, and in the end, you have no rights whatsoever.

Gun ownership is not guaranteed by the Constitution,

But if you refer back to my pointy stick argument, it is a natural law right. Self-defense is an inalienable natural right.

Whether people choose to exercise it or not, is a choice. That does not change natural born rights.

The only thing laws accomplish, is the ability of the state to rationalize putting you in a cage for exercising one of your natural rights.

If people feel uncomfortable in an environment with guns, that's just too fucking bad, and given time, they would realize that they are not in any genuine danger.

People who feel that they are safer in a gun free zone, are delusional, and in our society this is always the result of mind control.

Have you ever studied the Overton window? Glenn Beck used to talk about it, basically, the narrative keeps getting moved farther, and farther to one side,

until what "General consensus” is, has no basis in reality, and does not reflect anything resembling original intent.

Now personally, I like Mark Passio’s work on natural law, but I don't accept his opinions on face value. He thinks our founding fathers intended to free us.

I have concluded, our founding fathers wanted to create an illusion of freedom, with a fresh set of slave masters, and a another layer of parasitical bureaucracy. 

The more I look at our so-called "Bill of rights”, the ambiguity of certain phrases, leaves room for a reinterpretation down the road, negating any rights we have whatsoever. Besides, the United States is not a constitutional republic, it is a corporation. Once you know that, you know that the Constitution is completely irrelevant, and our corporate masters can dictate anything they damn well please. They have chosen to keep the illusion that we are a constitutional republic, just like they maintain the illusion that our votes matter. I think you are buying into illusions that have been maintained for many centuries.

 Going to ancient writings, is also a misnomer, because over the centuries, if they are what I would classify as treasonous or heretical, they have already been burned. Great philosophy that is still available to us, just assumes the goodness and wholesomeness of governments and religions.

They also work to convince us that being ruled by a bunch of megalomaniacal psychopathic Satan worshiping baby fucking power-hungry shit heads is perfectly normal, acceptable, and just the natural order of things.

Admittedly, they do not use that terminology, that's my own variant on it.

It is also my opinion, but it's a lot closer to truth then damn near anything else out there.

Stop calling opinions truth, because you can't call opposing opinions both true. It is the definition of cognitive dissonance, and it destroys the ability for critical thinking. That's not my opinion, that is the truth.

As far as your dog shit post is concerned,

Get yourself a good set of boots. You haven't seen anything yet. cheeky

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I am a bit curious. If ... a

I am a bit curious.

If ... a shooting was not totally random and unforecastable by all connected to it

and

if ... the consequent media furore was predictable and to be expected, if not planned

and

if ... the predictable result would be one side shouting to take the guns and the other side shouting no, never, not from my dead fingers

then

what is going on while all these side issues took the full stage to exclude all else?

Get wide angle vision and use it instead of tunnel vision, looking down somebody elses' ready-to-look-thru tunnel.

Apart from this post, which was dragged out of me, I'm not willing to invest time in the conversation topic supplied by the opinion makers. 

Have fun.

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