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argentus maximus wrote: 33 x

argentus maximus wrote:

33 x Phi^2

Where Phi = 1.618033988

=33*1.618033988^2 = 86.395

Now go back and put the names in where the numbers are and reinterpret what it says.

aha 33 me the "vikingJesus" x Argentus the spiritual leader = small Sun (ELumination/enlightenment).

The angEl number 33 was spot on. It described what setup is all about. Taking big risks with the guidance of  a spiritual leader and it will turn out to be something good.

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silver66 wrote:So this guy

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So this guy wants to have a reasoned debate

AM posted this guy, I watched this video last evening and all he wants is to discuss a topic and not to be called a fucktard

Perhaps a trend towards civil discourse .... we can hope

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Mother nature in action. From the bible "As above so below" the tiny drop is a miniscule fractal of a planet.

I travel Sweden and up&down and the light during the day cycle is very different in Malmö compared to Stockholm. Pointing out that the Earth is a sphere.

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A few comments on the We must talk about the Jews video. He says he is not anti-semetic, but he points out the physical characters for jews, with the banana nose. That is very unnecessary close to being a racist. Also the evil laughter at the end leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth. I have mixed feelings about Marty Leeds 66% positive 33% negative ...

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Dear Trump Supporters,  I

Dear Trump Supporters,  

I invite you to do the most painful think you'll ever have to do in your life.    

If you would like, I'll be happy to dispense with the pain medication.  

Now go back and watch the interrogation by Mr. Gowdy and remove all bias while you watch it.  

Can you do it without inebriating yourself to the point of unconsciousness?  

It's difficult isn't it? 

You'll notice that Adams is addressing the context..... Gowdy was questioning him about time line.  So the message he wanted got out.  

Now the question is if  Stzroks testimony is credible?   I guess that depends on how you measure credible but as truthful arbiters of reality, you are required to wear your hat of neutrality UNTIL you can determine his guilt or innocence than you are welcome to burn him at the stake once he has been found guilty.     

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ZkKzNQrYOZKv

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silver66 wrote:So this guy

silver66 wrote:

So this guy wants to have a reasoned debate

AM posted this guy, I watched this video last evening and all he wants is to discuss a topic and not to be called a fucktard

Perhaps a trend towards civil discourse .... we can hope

Silver66

So I figured I'd watch this video since I have never watched this guy at all.   I started watching it and then said, well, I better go watch his first video on flat earth, so I understand the context of this video better.   But that first video is 1:13.   Gotta put on your science hat for the second video.  

Any chance anybody watched the totality of these two videos to give a synopsis? 

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Cody's lab and Marty Leeds

The message I got from the video was not about the flat earth. Although he asks some interesting questions.

What I got, was a guy that has questions about a idea that are not mainstream and he can't get a straight answer without the discussion becoming about anything  BUT his question. Every time he asks an awkward question outside the "official" narrative there are attacks directed at him about everything but the question ( I can vouch for this from personal experience in the real worldwink).

I often think in an warplane analogy, the flak is heaviest when you are over the target. 

If we believe here on DOTS that most things we have been taught by the establishment over the last 200 years are a lie, then it becomes understandable that when a person starts to ask questions the may peel back the covers the PTB attack. It does not have to be flat earth, but this is the topic he has chosen to really question why we won't allow ourselves to challenge that paradigm we have

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What is the definition of 'it'

The Gowdy questioning, he being the first to have a kick at the cat, occupied around 15 minutes when 5 is normally permitted. That alone speaks volumes about his effectiveness in kicking off the show and kicking up the dirt.   He got everyone on the podium in a lather, with Goodlatte reduced to sputtering. R and D argued parliamentary procedure to no  avail.

He had Strozk baring fangs, near shouting, running to his patriotism and loyal service to country meme,  generally making me think of that fine old saying  "Me things the man doth protest too much'   And Gowdy just sat back, immensely pleased with his efforts. 

This was better theater than Gohmert of Texas asking if Strozk lied to his wife's face while texting his GF Page.  That also set off the opposition, right down to asking if Gohmert had taken his meds  All this reminds me of is third graders in a pissing contest.  Once the veneer of semi-collegiality is brushed off, the real nature of both sides becomes very apparent

This was done with the precision of a laser guided JDAM,  because not only did Gowdy know exactly which question would kick off the dust up but he actually drilled   right down into the Holiest of Clinton Eff ups { It depends on what the definition of 'is' is } when queried about whether his sexual act was actually a sexual act.  That was some good TV back 20 plus years or so.

Now we're reduced to wondering what 'it' is when it was basically about the elections, not erections.

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silver66 wrote:The message I

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The message I got from the video was not about the flat earth. Although he asks some interesting questions.

What I got, was a guy that has questions about a idea that are not mainstream and he can't get a straight answer without the discussion becoming about anything  BUT his question. Every time he asks an awkward question outside the "official" narrative there are attacks directed at him about everything but the question ( I can vouch for this from personal experience in the real worldwink).

I often think in an warplane analogy, the flak is heaviest when you are over the target. 

If we believe here on DOTS that most things we have been taught by the establishment over the last 200 years are a lie, then it becomes understandable that when a person starts to ask questions the may peel back the covers the PTB attack. It does not have to be flat earth, but this is the topic he has chosen to really question why we won't allow ourselves to challenge that paradigm we have

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Thank you for the thoughtful summary.  I get it.   

Youtube has been a shithole for a long time.  Not necessarily, the people who post interesting, provocative information but the comment sections. 

I'll watch a video by an artist who has long hair and 1/2 the comments are "Ohhh, he is so gay" If an alien landed on earth, and began watching youtube and reading the comments, he might think that earth is a prison planet.   Need not look any further than youtube comments to know that natural law is just an idea out of the reach of the masses. 

Imagine my surprise, years back, when I started seeing those type of comments on main street.  Man, what a wake up. 

Does anybody not understand why Marty Armstrong doesn't allow comments and only allows questions and comments by individuals who seem to understand what he is talking about?  

Yes, I hear ya, it could also allow for his bias, but your job is to dig through it, not send him death threats. 

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So, an eclipse

Friday 13 th and a new moon. Don't know if it all has any great significance but I wish I could see the Strozak/Gowdy exchange. It's not available in my region.

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SteveW wrote:Friday 13 th

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Friday 13 th and a new moon. Don't know if it all has any great significance but I wish I could see the Strozak/Gowdy exchange. It's not available in my region.

Try cspan channel-unedited or go directly to Cspan website. Should be available. But agree w Agx. Dog and pony show for the public. Badger witness over man talk. Sending a message. We gonna take you down. Tit for  tat

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Dog and pony show for the public.

Dog and pony show for the public.

100% tru dat, 'nuf said

Butt, as for any legalese/psycobabble analysis of psychopathetic's 'testimony", see....

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silver66 wrote:The message I

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The message I got from the video was not about the flat earth...

How unfortunate that you got the flat earth movie then, bcos I think that is one big fat lie. When he shows the two pictures of Toronto that proves a curvature, he says "they are basically the same picture". Omg a very flat effort by Marty!

In this regard  I be-lie-ve the establishment. If we are about to question everything we will not get very far. Time is our most precious asset. We do not want to waste it too much.

What about Steven Hawking and his theories. Is he to be trusted or is he an establishment source?

He died on Pi, 14th of March. 3.14

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flat earth movie

It is not unfortunate at all that I posted the flat earth movie

I would suggest that you have demonstrated the point the video  was making and I was putting forward ... arguing a point that was not the point. 

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silver66 wrote: It is not

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It is not unfortunate at all that I posted the flat earth movie

I would suggest that you have demonstrated the point the video  was making and I was putting forward ... arguing a point that was not the point. 

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Welcome to my world.  However, I won't belabor that point.  Martin Leeds did a good job at explaining the human condition.... ALL OF US.   

However, I was interested to see what his persepctive was on flat earth and what information he was entertaining since AM mentioned him  in context of youtube messing with him, so he is probably a smart guy but I don't know for myself until I watch.  I started to watch his original flat earth video which as you have accurately described is a commentary on human nature rather than drawing any conclusions on flat or round earth.  But he outlines some of the theories that are difficult to argue. 

However, I'd suggest if people have no interest in this subject, flat earth, you only listen from 10 min to 11 min. I've cued it up for you 

  The suggestion is that we humans aren't very good at neutrality.  Our judgments are mechanical in nature. 

The part that struck me as it relates to flat earth is a little further in the video, he speaks about Mayan, Hindu cosmology and there are several other maps from ancient cultures that show a flat earth in a globe.   His comment is that we know other ancient cultures believed in flat earth.  

Alarms went off.   Because I see a profound misunderstanding of ancient philosophy.   

This would be a subject that if I to write about, I'd give it very very careful and respectful treatment.  Because even Martin has a fundamental misunderstanding that if cleared up, might give him new insights into what the ancients were telling us.   So this is off the cuff, and probably won't represent something that I would put out if I had time to consider.  Not that I think it's wrong, but the most compelling way to clear it up. 

Simply put, the statement that ancient socieites believed in flat is incorrect.  It is only a limited understanding of the cosmologies these traditions were teaching that interprets these teachings as preaching flat earth.   It's taking very multidimensional mythologies and accepting them literally.  

You'll have to watch the video a couple more minutes in to see the cosmology pictures.   

The assumption is that these are models of the physical universe.   They are models of an inter dimensional realities.   They are true stories, creation mythologies that are true but the stories are like many biblical stories where there is a deeper, complex meaning.   They are similar the world over with some themes and variations. 

It what I was saying in my archeology post and what Armstrong was saying that the assumption that these are just myths and kid stories hides reality from view.   

If an ancient were to tell you that there is a tree. A cosmic tree, a tree of life in the Garden of Eden, you might go looking for apples to prove it to be true.  But it is not a reference to a literal tree.  

The flat earth vs round earth is essentially a journey of self discovery.  An invitation to understand reality in a greater way than you did before.  

Before time was conceived the HU-Man was considered perfect.  The world was seen as a hanging by a thread from the great, immortal, never seeing point, the North Pole Star.  Seasons came and season went and nothing changed.  This was the Golden Age, the age of perfection, the age of immortal goddess, when the cosmos and all was divine was regarded as perfect, in complete harmony.  The polestar, with the heavens rotation around it every night, was seen as a great mill churning out gold and wealth, the source of all life and all order the point of stillness around which all other things moved.  The pole was the Earths umbilical cord and all power, all strength, and all divinity came from this.  

So we have umbilical cords, tree’s, crocodiles in Mayan, Turtles in Native American, Chinese and Hindu. That's alot of symbolism for the western mind.    They are ALL correct, but not literal.  They are telling stories for the same reason religious men told parables.   

Contrary to Martin or Marty Leeds assertion the Hindu's which possess the oldest religious scriptures known to man believed in a spherical earth.  

here is the Iroquois which looks at lot like Chinese and HIndu.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_mythology

At this point we could still dismiss all the ancient turtle’s stories as pure mythology.

However, the story gets even more interesting when we learn about ancient peoples’ contact with the three-legged turtle. According to ancient myths and legends, Chinese people came in direct contact with a very strange being that gave them knowledge for the future.

We learn that “from the river I, the three-legged turtle Nai delivered the eternal laws on iron Lo-tablets to the Chinese.”

But Marty Leeds who seems like a really smart, empathy based individual, simply hasn't delved into this area of thought, so he mistaknely postulates that ancient traditions believed in a flat earth.   Well, that might be true in some cases but the stories I'm seeing on wikipedia stating flat earth are myths that look at earth from a multidimensional perspective.  

Here's another. 

Here is one of Flammarion engravings.

Here is what is written underneath, I am assuming by a literalist. The Flammarion engraving (1888) depicts a traveler who arrives at the edge of a flat Earth and sticks his head through the firmament.

If you go to a website on his works, another explanation is provided which is much more multi-dimensional. 

However, one of the illustrations from L’atmosphere is more famous than all the others and has taken on a life of its own; it depicts, in a Renaissance style, a medieval philosopher, poking his head through the sphere of stars to view the wheels and cogs that drive the heavens

When I look at the list of societies that they list as flat earth, what I see is a misunderstanding of what they were saying. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#Europe

The ancient Norse and Germanic peoples believed in a flat Earth cosmography with the Earth surrounded by an ocean, with the axis mundi, a world tree (Yggdrasil), or pillar (Irminsul) in the centre.[41][42] In the world-encircling ocean sat a snake called Jormungandr.[43] The Norse creation account preserved in Gylfaginning (VIII) states that during the creation of the earth, an impassable sea was placed around it:

They are taking an ocean literal.   We know not to take Jormungandr as a literal snake because it is the snake that eats its own tail.  

The lie could be a misunderstanding. 

http://www.ancientpages.com/2015/08/29/myths-legends-reveal-ancient-turtle-worship-linked-creation-world/

Quantam physics teaches that everything visible and tangible is only the surface appearance of invisible relationships at the quantum level. Objective reality is a projection on a two-dimensional surface. Our perceptions and experiences don’t emanate from two dimensions. It is the objective space-time world that is a projection, a 2-D projection that leaves out the countless invisible exchanges that make it real.

Flat earth comes from the same paradignm that doesn't accept syncronicity.   Most people look at events in linear time as isolated occurences having no connections to anything else.    This is living life in a 2 dimensional box.  All the important events of our lives are the results of relationships with others. Our attractions, desires, hopes and dreams all spring from these relationships and shape the outcome of the choices we make.

Now, I didn't spend time going through every one of the scientific experiments and trying to debunk it.  There are many more well trained scientists and video's that you could cross reference and compare.   I am only dealing with this one facet that ancient societies didn't know the earth was round.  . 

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GL- F.E.S.

In my opinion what you wrote is probably the most reasonable analysis of the whole debate on flat earth that I have read to date.

It gives perspective to me reflecting back on why the flat earth videos pro and con causes such emotion in the posters. Myself included !!

It is a reflection of their own/my  inner workings and exploration of self.

On a separate topic Mrs Silver66 and I were just out on the  back deck enjoying the evening and I filled her in on the DOTS thread and how "intense" it got last week. Her comment was this whole summer will be intense due to the planetary movements going on. Meditation and pausing before speaking would be good strategies to employ this summer was her view on the matter.

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edit: you got your points across in a civil manner. I hope that is contagious wink

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The political center?

in my lifetime the center has mostly been a place where people who would have you think they were “conservative” stand, while granting ground to the left, or most of their demands.

Unfortunately it’s usually a boomer who has profited greatly from the selling out of our country...

I doubt history will remember the generation who sold out their progeny fondly 

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i could grant you some of your point if you weren’t trying to present this as if it’s happening in isolation.

however, that is not the case sir

this is but one turd in an outhouse that is due to be emptied

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Here’s something timely

And humorous:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6743568/germany-soldiers-broomsticks-nato-donald-trump-angela-merkel-defence-spending/

its bad enough when your country is reduced to meme status

but using broomsticks instead of weapons as part of “battle readiness”? 

Maybe they are waiting to buy weapons until they get all their jihadists enlisted?

clown world

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silver66 wrote: In my opinion

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In my opinion what you wrote is probably the most reasonable analysis of the whole debate on flat earth that I have read to date...

Silver66

edit: you got your points across in a civil manner. I hope that is contagious wink

Hello,

apparently you have misspelled:

"F.F.S."

Ironic that for a Canuck,

you did manage to cite the one U.S. Supreme Ct case

which is key to reclaiming Liberty.

Go figure.

Cheers!

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Phew - The bitch slapping has settled down

Let's re - visit the great founding principles of Dot's and the real reason we turn up here and get down to talking business.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel.  Beer required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture.  Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

The wheel was invented to get man to the beer and vice versa. These two were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:  1.Liberals.  2.Dot's punters

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Dot's revolution.  Other men who were less skilled at hunting (called 'vegetarians' which was an early human word meaning 'bad hunter') learned to live off the more visionary Dot's people by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hairdressing. This was the beginning of the liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men evolved into women. Others became known as girlie-men. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the Dot's people provided.

Over the years the amazing Dot's people came to be symbolised by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the  mammoth.

Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.  Modern Liberals like lite beer (with lime added), but most prefer imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.  Another interesting evolutionary side note: many liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men.  Most college professors, social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, film makers in Hollywood, group therapists and community organizers are liberals. Liberals meddled in our national pastime and invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

The Dot's people of course drink real beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. They are members of the military, big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police  engineers, corporate executives, athletes, airline pilots, and generally anyone who works productively. Dot's people who own companies hire other Dot's people who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when the Dot's people were heading out West. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing. 

Here ends today's lesson in world history. It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to this post. A Dot's punter will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be shared immediately to other true believers and just irritate more liberals.  And there you have it. Let your next action reveal your true self, I'm going to grab a few beers and grill some steaks!

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atarangi wrote: Let's re -

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Let's re - visit the great founding principles of Dot's and the real reason we turn up here and get down to talking business.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel...

HA!

Leave it to a Sheep Shifter not to recognize

that that the key two inventions in recent history

which most affects our lives are:

"Fractional Reserve" Banking (Counterfeiting)

&

Universal  Voting

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