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The loco being the heaviest went straight on. Following back from it's final location, allowing for a slight deflection as it slowed to a stop and lost force, and the track it made is clear. The track can be extended backwards to confirm the derailment site. I did this in #18147, #18148, and #18149. There is debris in 18149 marked by yellow arrows and these are zoomed in at #18150.

Following that track of the loco back to where it left the rails:

#18152

The yellow zones show the track ballast. Note the precise location in relation to the wall ending, and the white wrecked signal /fencing.

Then look at #18142 and #18143. There is a clear different texture and colour in the track ballast on the near side, the side opposite the derailment. You can see the ballast colour demarcation line clearly in #18152. The ballast likely bounced and loosened here. This is the section of track which vibrated with shock waves from the weight and impact as the heavy loco left the rails and strick the track ties/ballast. 

In #18154 the engineer is staring extremely carefully at the track rail/sleeper/ties/ballast in this exact place. Verify location against the perimeter wall ending, and in particular the chain link fence posts.

In #18153 I put 4 x yellow markers from the fence posts across the track numbered 1 to 4. The metal pipe or tree branch at base of the black circle in #18154 is visible to the left of yellow marker line 1, between it and yellow marker line 2. there are track connection welds/bolts in this precise spot on the rails.

That's where it derailed. The reason for the derailment may be the rail, connections, or it may be related to the textural difference in the mound of ballast left of yellow marker line 2 and line 3, where the mound of ballast is slightly lower.

The ballast could have been above rail height, and since swept away by train, other. More likely the track join at this place failed, or the entire rail sank slightly probably by the ballast not being compacted adequately and the track twisting slightly as the near rail depressed under load. This is the beginning of the leftwards curve.

Weight, speed, the curve, and whatever inaccuracy in track geometry existed here temporarily while under load did the rest. If it wasn't the ballast mound directly that did it. I looked carefully at the ballast in these video captures.

There is doubt if the cause of the derailment was just before or just after the rail connections. Intuitively, because the train was moving, I look to the left, or just before the connections for cause. That is at the ballast mound.

The smashed signal/sign/fencing seems to be rather far from the track to have been truck if the train was just derailing there. It could be access ladder/ fittings stripped off a goods wagon or the final portion of perimeter fencing, or lattice/access steps attached to a trackside signal/ speed light. It's location and state is odd in that spot it it was not struck directly by the train because the train should have been only beginning to deviate from the path of the rails at that point.

Bad track laying job ..... most likely.

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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 - 9:25am (Reply to #18061)
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Argentus Maximus, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

Early on in the first video, it shows an axle assembly laying on the highway. The wheels have a one inch lip to grab the inner rail.

So as my thinking follows, all you have to do is raise one wheel one inch on the outside of a turn, and your derailment is guaranteed.

It looks a lot to me like the gravel is level with the rail in that two second segment from the CNN clip.

I hadn't even noticed how mangled that white thingy to the left of the tracks was. Hypothetically speaking, a locomotive hitting it at 70 miles an hour could have hurled it a substantial distance. Thinking in terms of a cue ball on a pool table, if part of the structure was laid across one rail, surrounded by gravel, it would have been a glancing blow hurling it at a right angle to the track.

I still like my pile of gravel theory, even if it's only a partial explanation.

As far as the track either coming apart, getting warped, or otherwise distorting to cause the derailment, the fact that the trailing locomotive is still firmly on the tracks, indicates that the tracks still had enough integrity for a locomotive to pass over it without a derailment.

That tells me that whatever caused the derailment was there for the leading locomotive, but not there anymore for the trailing locomotive.

And in some of your pictures, I can see what appears to be orange spray paint surrounding what looks like chunks of metal in the dirt to the right side of the track. Presumably, the local cops were highlighting items that appeared to them to be relative to an investigation. Too bad that's not their job.

In an interview on one of the local news broadcasts, a state trooper declined any comments at all, stating that the investigation would be handled by Amtrak, and the NTSB, and they were not expected to arrive for several hours.

If Ruffian has discovered that the speed limit was lowered from 70 miles an hour to 30 miles an hour after the wreck, I would consider that very clear evidence of a cover-up.

And she's right, Antifa would not have done this, but they make good patsies. ISIS is the CIA, fully funded and professional. They really know how to make "accidents” happen.

Following the money, and knowing that hundreds of millions of dollars were invested in this inaugural run, with plenty of stories to read about local politicians trying really hard to stop the construction of that track, I suspect that the real culprits were not at the scene of the crime.

The engineer that reported the wreck was calling from the rear locomotive, and had no idea at all what happened. 

From the pictures, it looks like the front locomotive was the really fancy one, as without the roof, you could clearly see that it was decked out with all of the facilities you would normally find in a high-end Motor home. Why wasn't anybody onboard? Anyone in that locomotive would have been a witness.

Not for nothing, but it only seems logical to put the driver at the front of the train, so he can actually watch where they are going, instead of at the rear of the train, leaving him completely clueless. Somebody planned it that way.

Also, that rear locomotive is an add-on, an afterthought, as the paint scheme clearly does not match the rest of a brand-new freshly painted train. The rear locomotive was an add-on for just that run.

That train wasn't nearly long enough to warrant two locomotives. It was added as an afterthought to house the resident Patsy.

This indicates to me that this was a government operation, planned in advance, design to leave as few witnesses as possible.

The local cops probably figured it out, but since they don't have any jurisdiction there, we aren't going to be hearing from them.

That's the thing about cops, if the government committed the crime, their only job is to cover it up.

So I'm calling this a premeditated and planned event, and not the result of sloppy workmanship by the guys who laid the rails.

Since I'm sure lawsuits will be filed today, and liabilities are extremely high, retroactively changing the speed limit from 70 to 30, indicates that the engineer will be held solely responsible.

The fact that these trains can easily have their speeds automated, in fact, with today's technology, engineers are not even required at all, the fact that these trains still have a driver, indicates to me that they are the assigned Patsy in any mishap.

Thanks for playing,

I am maintaining my bias that governments suck, the direct cause for most tragedies, and that we would be FAR better off without these malevolent parasitical scumbags. 

But that's just me. wink

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Any locomotive of recent

I expect that a railway locomotive of recent manufacture, in particular made by Siemens, will have onboard forward looking video, rear looking video, and also sensors for each wheel and other significant components.

I would not be surprised to learn that a computer onboard measures vibration and auto-reports track vibration and irregularities to a central track maintenance computer. it probably auto reports trackside vegetative growth and encroachment too. I mean, a luxury automobile has rain sensors to turn on the wipers automatically. Without direct knowledge of these things but knowing how tech is fitted into expensive plant and equipment to reduce accidental damage, if locomotive based video is not released that would be something significant to consider. The loco specifications are probably available.

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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 - 10:24am (Reply to #18063)
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Don't blame the locomotive.

Argentus Maximus,

I will concede that the front locomotive was the newest, and most high-tech locomotive available on the north American continent. I'm sure it was equipped with every possible bell and whistle imaginable, every sensor ever conceived of, and cameras up the Ying Yang.

In one of the earlier interviews, a reporter said that the equipment on board the train to limit its speed on turns was turned off. There is of course, no way to verify this.

I find it interesting that there is no way to turn the sensors off on the computer in any modern car in this country, in fact, it is rigged that so the car is inoperable without them. And yet we are led to believe that one man can disable all of the safety protocols with a flick of a switch.

I will grant you that that front locomotive was fully equipped with the very latest in high-tech gadgetry, and yet the guy driving the train was at the rear, in what was obviously an antique piece of shit. How much sense does that make?

Of course there's camera footage, but just like the thousands of cameras in Las Vegas, we will never see footage from any of them.

There were hundreds of cameras trained on the Pentagon on 9/11, but we will never see the footage of the missile that struck it.

The fact that there is no video, is a powerful clue as to who is responsible.

The onboard computer on a modern jetliner is quite capable of flying the plane not only on "autopilot" while in flight, but it can also take off and land without a pilot. We have cars driving around now without anybody behind the wheel, in fact some of them don't even come with a wheel.

Are we really supposed to believe that a vehicle guided by rails can't be automated? 

Instead we've got one guy in an antique locomotive at the rear where he can't see where he's going? Something stinks big time here.

And as in all government operations, we will never be told what happened, only the cover story.

It's probably going to go something like "the drug addicted engineer passed out at the controls, and his body weight landed on the accelerator pedal, causing the train to recklessly speed out-of-control", or some other equally implausible happy horseshit.

Thanks again for the pictures, I've been looking at them, and those guys standing over the tracks clearly know what they are looking at.

Unfortunately, they're not going to tell us.

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Mr. Fix wrote:....  I've been

Mr. Fix wrote:
.... I've been looking at them, and those guys standing over the tracks clearly know what they are looking at....

Hix ws paying attention, but it may be too early for some. For those who didn't take my hint to enlarge and study:

I'm a little curious about that:

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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 - 11:26am
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What they appear to be

What they appear to be looking at from the other side:

This is located by counting sleepers from the nearest connection, and cross referencing the different pictures. Not much to see from this angle, other than that high level of ballast gravel. But there is a connection at this point on the near rail..

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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 - 11:39am
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Another possibility

I would consider it quite plausible that the train left the tracks slightly prior to the point that we are studying, as if you look at that retaining wall just to the right, and the heavy gouging into the concrete, which looks fresh, indicates something with some massive weight sideswiped it.

For that to of happened, the train would have already have to have been off the track.

Unfortunately, I can't find any pictures farther up the line, even by just a few feet. But since the rear locomotive is still on the tracks, there's probably not much to look at.

It is plausible that that mangled white thing got stuck between the train and the wall, and couldn't be thrown clear.

That was a 200 mile train run, how coincidental could it be that it got parked across I-5 at rush hour?

I'm also noticing some very selective and unverifiable early assertions from reporters who claim that the train was traveling at exactly 80.1 mph when the speed limit on that turn is 79 mph.

It wasn't until much later that that speed limit got lowered to 30.

Who told them how fast the train was going to begin with? No one says. Even they later changed the speed limit to 30.

Now this is also just pure speculation, but if that train was actually in excess of 80 miles an hour, don't you think it would've sailed clear across I-5? I've watched some other footage of derailments, the ground they can cover off the tracks is substantial, even at 40 miles an hour.

As usual, if it's being reported on television, by a mainstream news network, you really have to assume that it is nothing but a boldfaced lie, and intentional misdirection.

From that, we can gather a lot that we KNOW is not true. Just because they said it was.

This substantially narrows the range of possibilities. wink

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It's interesting how "much"

It's interesting how "much" noise clouds any event, especially a tragedy, sometimes minutes after the event.

We have the whole antifa controversy of deleted posts that aid they were going to do something like this which creates a back and forth animosity between right and left. Article on Zerohedge. 

Trumps political comments on infrastructure feeding into the left/right fire. 

And then the anonymous report from AP. And as you know anonymous reports with no source are not reliable. But reports like this do have an effect, don't they? It inserts doubt into any official narrative. Always mind games and subtle currents of innuendo at work.

But here it is anyway, https://nypost.com/2017/12/18/object-on-tracks-may-be-cause-of-deadly-am...

So if I wanted to spend the time, I'd look at past derailments what kind of objects could cause a derailment but if Ruffian is right that's very difficult to cause derailments like this then gives AM's forensic theories alot of weight.

Not knowing the physics of derailment, previous causes of derailment, I'll defer to what you guys come up with. Did blow up some of those pictures especially the accumulation of gavel on one side of the track that AM posted. That is kind of strange or oversight by work crews and inspectors unless it serves a function

Even without studying the photo's in depth, I'm inclined to go with an Act of God assisted by human error, track work sounds good, because a sampling of yesterdays news flow looked like this........

https://wivb.com/2017/12/19/ny-state-trooper-hit-by-vehicle/

https://wsav.com/2017/12/19/3-car-accident-closes-most-lanes-of-i-516-ne...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5171069/a19-crash-accident-traffic-chaos-c...

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-traffic/article/Large-pothole-causes-...

https://wreg.com/2017/12/19/car-explodes-after-accident-near-houston-levee/

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/18/nine-injured-accident-near-denver-....

I bet ya if somebody did a chart of the planetary effect on these locations, we'd find something....

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If we go international, we

If we go international, we get 6 dead and 50 injured..... Timing coincidence? 

https://www.wthr.com/article/death-toll-rises-to-6-in-french-train-bus-crash

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2123044/50-injured-german-train-collision-near-dusseldorf-says-police

I'm sure the list of similar accidents of "metal" karma could get kind of long for one 24 hour period. 

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DuPont Mayor confirms ‘mass casualty incident’ training...

DuPont Mayor confirms ‘mass casualty incident’ training was underway when Amtrak derailment occurred

By Shepard Ambellas - 

December 19, 2017

Just like 9/11 and the London bombing of 2007, the training drill somehow went live creating the exact scenario officials were enacting at the time

DUPONT, Wa. (INTELLIHUB) — Ironically, City Mayor Mike Courts and his team, along with numerous agencies, were conducting a training session for a ‘mass casualty incident’ closeby when the Amtrak Cascades derailment occurred killing six and sending over 70 others to the hospital.

According to the report, ‘many agencies’ were in the area planning their day for the exact same scenario as it actually played out in real-time.

That’s right, just like the Sept. 11, 2001, World Trade Center attacks and just like the July 7, 2007, London bombing, the drill tragically, somehow, went live at the exact time. (i.e. the exact scenario officials were training for actually happened)

The report was aired early on by ABC News but was buried by all other media for no apparent reason despite the fact that it is such a critical detail.

The train was traveling over 80 mph in a 30 mph zone, according to reports.

Coincidence or something sinister? You be the judge. Please comment below and share.

https://www.intellihub.com/dupont-mayor-confirms-mass-casualty-incident-training-was-underway-when-amtrak-derailment-occurred/

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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 - 4:35pm
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Super Duper high octane speculation...

As Argentus Maximus surmised, let's assume that that brand spanking new locomotive had every safety device known to man integrated into it, making that train the safest train ever built.

But, the deep state wants to derail it. It's what they do, you know, anything that might actually work, they focus on it like a laser, with the sole intent of destroying it. 

I was thinking of my car analogy, whereby the computers can't be bypassed, and if you try, it renders the car inoperable.

Well, let's just go with the hypothetical that this applies to trains as well. What is a deep state Government employed Satanic piece of shit going to do about it?

Their agenda for death and destruction is such a high priority, they will go to any lengths to achieve it.

 Now, if I couldn't drive a brand-new supersafe computerized car off a cliff, (or bridge) what would I do? Since actually driving it is not a priority, but destroying it is, why wouldn't I just push it?

Ah, but it's a train, and all the systems have to link together. Okay, so I can't use one of those brand-new ultra safe locomotives to push it with, I'm going to have to go get myself one of those grimy old antique piles of crap that still actually runs. You know, it's probably why the car I drive every day is 49 years old. Who needs safety devices? They only get in your way!

Since the plan is to create as much destruction as possible, load up the train with a bunch of unsuspecting sheeple, have one of your good buddies back a dump truck full of gravel up to the track, and dump a load right at the turn before a major interstate highway overpass.

Now, you don't even have to put somebody in the front locomotive, in fact, it's better if it's completely stone cold dead, with all bells, whistles, sensors, and cameras, thoroughly disabled. Like the car in my analogy, it only has to roll.

The engineer is in on it, and carefully guides the train to the great big pile of gravel pre-positioned on the track, as planned, every single car in front of him leaves the track, crashing down on innocent commuters at rush hour. Since the engineer is basically a cowardly piece of shit government employee, just like all of them, he values his own life, he simply doesn't value anyone else’s.

So with amazing skill, he stops his antique locomotive before it is in any danger, leaving his train car the only undamaged car on the entire train. The rest of the brand spanking new super safe train, is completely destroyed.

 The plan works so well, the beat up old locomotive can simply be driven to another train, to push onto another highway, on another day. It's even plausible that the antique locomotive was equipped with one of those old-fashioned cow catchers below, between the rails, to clean up the evidence of all of that gravel dumped between them.

Don't you love antique engineering? It works no matter what. It's the same reason why our high-tech military equipment won't function in the presence of an antique Russian fighter jet, Chinese freighter, or Japanese tugboat. As long as you don't need electronics, just turn them off.

There probably isn't even going to be a black box recording of this one.

Oops, that locomotive was built just before they were required equipment. cheeky

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We used to put pennies on RR

We used to put pennies on RR tracks then retrieve them flattened. We never tried to derail trains, or at least I do not remember doing so. I had other things I used to do though and not mentioned here so as not to trigger things.

The fact that these training scenarios are taking place exactly when and for the same incident type that 'happens' is incredible. In San Bernardino they were doing a mass shooting training just a couple of miles from the incident. this has been apparent in plenty of these false flag events for years now. 
Quite a coincidence, eh.

The evidence surrounding the narrative here does not pass the smell test.

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Such a viable situation you

Such a viable situation you propose Fix. Simple, manageable and difficult to verify,,,, perfect. 

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Wow, Do I have a Xmas Present

Wow, Do I have a Xmas Present for DOT's. A imagine a video that covers all the topics that you're interested in.

Sex Scandals-Something for you. 

Trump Hidden Wars..... Something for me. Looks to me that Luke is saying all the right things. 

No Abguy, you can skip all of that. Basically, the first half and go right to the Aliens are Coming part. I actually skipped most of the Sex and War stuff too. Luke is not an expert in that field so opened it up to public speculation. Anybody feel a GizaDeathStar video in the works? 

It comes on the heals of a NY Times Article admitting the presence of UFO's...well sort of. It's programs to investigate UFO's. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harr...

I'd say there is alot going on here. 

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O.K. G.L and Mr. Fix, et al!

This is what is the real problems with speculators. (This is again where I actually have the "feet on the ground", a witness of the truth). I just spent about 3.5 hours, driving from Tacoma to Lacey. Yep, I saw the site at Mounts road but the real story has been missed. We were out in the middle of nowhere, stopped on a two lane road, a 15 mile backup and hoping we would not need to find a tree for a place to take care of our bladder problems. 

Now here is a real story. The overpass on Mounts road was closed. It was covered by tents and reporters, blocking the traffic. The highway dept. could have used the Mounts Road exit, thousands of cars could have worked their way back on the freeway at the next exit. Nope, they wanted plenty of viewing room for the media.

When the dust finally settles, taking a 30 mph curve at 81 will be seen as the train problem but the thousands of cars backed up on the roads will never be seen as a problem of closing off the Mounts Road overpass for the media. Jim

P.S.: Every driver should sent the state a bill for their lack of common sense. Let see: 3 extra hours of travel x 3 people at $12/. hr. plus 3 extra gallons of gas at $3/gal. = $117. Sent us a check please.

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Never let a crisis go to waste.

If the train wreck had gone off as planned, I–5 would have been closed for days. A 15 mile backup was one of the intended outcomes, because as you know, the government works extra hard just to fuck over as many people as possible.

They always go for maximum inconvenience of as many people as possible. Hey, at least you didn't get nuked yet. wink

As I often tell you, it's your tax dollars hard at work.

I'm sorry to hear you got caught up in a 15 mile backup, I figured we had the situation under control, and didn't really need any on the ground reporters.

Anyhow,

I've really got to watch the video that Green Lantern posted regarding the alien invasion.

I've been looking forward to that one for years. smiley

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Thanks Mr. Fix for you views.

However, I do not need to see G.L's alien invasion video. I have been watching it in real time for over 40 years. You two may have been living in N.Y. too long. You missed traveling with me, around the world, seeing and hearing the aliens who are already here, as it was from the beginning. Jim

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