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Thu, Nov 16, 2017 - 9:06am (Reply to #17338)
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G.L.

May I go ,with you, to the coffee shop this morning? I will buy the croissants. There, you could tell me how "you" actually see yourself and not how other see you. Jim

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Thu, Nov 16, 2017 - 9:11am (Reply to #17340)
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Putting the pieces of the puzzle together...

Well, you've got to start somewhere.

To the best of my knowledge, and the best of my ability, I have attempted to provide an answer to each one of Green Lantern's hypothetical scenarios, many of which, couldn't possibly manifest if people simply did not believe in Authority in the first place.

Putting the train back on its tracks, first requires that we believe that this is necessary. The "How to do it" will eventually become apparent, since we always find the answers we seek.

I have laid out on multiple occasions, from multiple disciplines, the inherent immorality of maintaining a ruling class of people over the rest of the people.

The entire "necessary evil" argument starts from the premise that it is in support of evil. The perceived need for this necessary evil is completely irrelevant, because the explanation does not make evil into something just and moral. It is still evil.

Arguing for a "Limited evil", (Limited government), involves carving out exceptions for evil.

If morality means anything at all, it needs to be applied at the core of any philosophy. Don't give me any crap from Plato, regarding his fictitious Republic that has never, ever become manifest, because for simple moral reasons, it can't be.

Don't even bother quoting the Tao Di Ching, as Lao Tzu's advice for rulers completely disregards the reality that someone in a position of power over other humans has literally zero reason to listen to such advice.

Instead, focus on the pure and un-adulterated immorality of humans ruling over other humans.

Once that has been accomplished,

The pieces of the puzzle begin to appear.

Until that is accomplished,

You wouldn't recognize the pieces if someone jammed them up your nose.

The simple truth, is when you do the right things, the right things happen.

When you carve out exceptions, disaster becomes inevitable.

Green Lantern,

Your advocacy of limited government is flat out immoral, and will always lead to disastrous consequences.

It is you who needs to seek out alternatives, not me.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Thu, Nov 16, 2017 - 9:11am (Reply to #17343)
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Mr. Fix wrote: To the best of

Mr. Fix wrote:

To the best of my knowledge, and the best of my ability, I have attempted to provide an answer to each one of Green Lantern's hypothetical scenarios, many of which, couldn't possibly manifest if people simply did not believe in Authority in the first place.

Your entire answer to my real examples of crime were volunteers patrolling the streets. You asserted that certain things wouldn't happen before you even figured it out how to make it happen. You gave no, NONE, details on process of apprehension, sleuthing, your system of determining guilt and innocence and punishment.

I don't have to take 10 days to think about it because it's all there in a just system.

You gave no answer on how you would implement to make a transition from a monarchy to anarchy or for that matter how it would even be possible to make the transition.

There would be a whole less fatigue if you would address points directly, refrain from repeating the same postulates and hypotheticals and address points and make counter points.

I only agree with 1/2 of AM's posts. The part about authority and it's nature. You never addressed that and retorted with a better reply. You acknowledge the need for leaders but you can't seem to bring that idea into how leaders are necessary to lead people with lesser skill, lesser awareness. Leaders are necessary for what in your society?

Thu, Nov 16, 2017 - 9:17am (Reply to #17342)
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NW VIEW wrote: May I go ,with

NW VIEW wrote:

May I go ,with you, to the coffee shop this morning? I will buy the croissants. There, you could tell me how "you" actually see yourself and not how other see you. Jim

Jim,

I'm leaving now. Can you get ready and get a flight and I'll meet you at LGA? I can take pictures of the croissants if you like. I'll ask the old men about all this and film it.

As for the spiritual counselling session, I'd answer to you, that I'm a Child of God too. What else do you need to know?

The others are child of God too with poor powers of discrimination.

Thu, Nov 16, 2017 - 9:27am
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G.L.

Thanks and if I ever come to the city, lets have that coffee. Jim

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Thu, Nov 16, 2017 - 9:43am (Reply to #17344)
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Green Lantern,

All of those transitions start with the basic principle that ruling by force and violence isn't moral.

Like putting the train back on its tracks, some might choose to use ropes and pulleys, some might choose to use levers and fulcrums, some might choose to build a crane, while others might choose to simply construct new tracks under where the train is currently situated.

The point is, there are many, many ways, once you have decided that the train must go back on its tracks.

Leadership is necessary, but always voluntary. Any society without a government still chooses a leader, and generally speaking, those that choose not to follow sound advice may have to face the consequences, and if it affects others, a community may choose to use banishment, incarceration, or even death as a remedy, but usually scorn and humiliation serves the basic purpose of a larger community.

In the "wild West" for example, Horse thieves were simply shot, or hung. I can imagine multiple other approaches, but as a result of the course of action those communities chose, very few horses were ever stolen, and the recidivism rate was zero.

You seem to be stuck on the notion that voluntary interaction between human beings leads to chaos, when all of history shows us that giving certain human beings the right to rule violently over other human beings is the source of the greatest chaos.

Many people have imagined their own version of what would constitute a voluntary society, and their answers to your questions are varied, but they have all been addressed.

The examples I have provided for you, you have chosen to ridicule, or just poke holes in, so you never need to look at the inherent immorality of your basic premise that some form of government is required.

Why don't you do some of your own research, or apply your own imagination, and come up with some of your own solutions.

That would require that you put down a book, and certainly require that you put down one of your books based on Yahwehism which does nothing but promote a Luciferian agenda, for which it was designed.

Such books are designed to maintain the mental trap you are stuck in, but cannot see.

You might even want to review the profound influence that the ancient Black occult priestcraft still has on you.

There are many different directions you could approach this from, with a broad variety of ways to implement an outcome.

How you pursue it from here, is up to you.

Individual liberty isn't perfect, nothing is. But it is a much better premise to start from, then institutionalized enslavement.

Have yourself a nice day.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Thu, Nov 16, 2017 - 10:21am
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This is why...

...I don't want to be involved in this discussion.

Fix, Words matter, I get it. I was not being very careful there. I agree with GL that meting out justice becomes a problem in anarchy as you and I are defining it. This does not mean I think a "ruling class" should be given authority. I don't know what the answer is!

I thought we were close when we were discussing the difference between elders and leaders.

The problem with Authority in all circumstances is the intent of the author. Clearly, authority only has value if the person listening has been taught to think and reason.

I am not arguing for limited evil, simply stating that I do not have the answer. I am not rationalizing a necessary evil. Evil exists. GL's question of how evil is dealt with is a good one in my opinion. I am trying to reconcile how evil is dealt with without dipping your toe into the very thing you abhor, and me too for that matter.

Edit: By the way, yes, I do realize I interjected myself into the conversation and GL called me out from the periphery, I can't change that.

Thu, Nov 16, 2017 - 10:51am
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I would like to know...

...the whereabouts of John Podesta, Bill CLinton, Joe Biden, and Barack the manchild on November the 7th. Also the whereabouts of any pope not named Gaia.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/16/gaia-pope-police-searching-missing-teen-find-womens-clothing/

Edit, Oh wait, shit, Gaia is a female, I guess that leaves Bill Clinton. Where was Bill Clinton on 11/7?

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Green Lantern wrote:...I only

Green Lantern wrote:
...I only agree with 1/2 of AM's posts. The part about authority and it's nature. ...

I had a lengthy reply to your post on that but it went down the internet deleted posts plughole. I didn't get adequate time since to redo such a thorough post due to time constraints. But I will some stage in the future. Here's the best we get this week, then its back to other work for me.

In summary I know that I have deliberately mixed the two phrases natural, as in natural law, and as in natural world. This goes to the source, the root, of what you disagree with in my comments. That's ok, I use rhetorical devices to achieve conversational communication. The point is not the rhetoric with me. it's the conclusion.

So I mentioned that natural law can be considered as a social construct, and this offended your sensibility on that matter because you are well aware that it goes far beyond that. I would agree if you said that. We would I suspect both agree if I were to assert that natural law is a theory of justice as explained by many scholars, but choose Greek scholars Aristotle, Plato, as a good example. Shakespeare reproduced these "natural law lessons" , Aesop-like, within his plots for people to experience, enjoy and benefit from.

But I can still say that natural law is a social construct, in that absent the context of society natural law applies pretty much immediately, but society seems to be able to suspend the application of natural lay consequences. For a period.

So natural law could also be described as in invisible balance point between extremes of this or that social activity - a balance point that we human beings are being found wanting in our ability to dally within it's honesty based behavioural requirements.

GL said: >>>But it's more than cycles. Isn't it? It shows up as equidistant events but what the hell is making the market do that? Has anybody asked the question? <<<

Yes. that is the case. And also yes I have been asked the question. The reaction to my answer was in one cae to the effect that this was being able to see the footprints of God's actions on Earth, and was a proof of the divine presence. I didn't see it that way, but I did understand his perspective on what I had explained, and it didn't go against anything I had said. He was using my work as a stepping stone to jump to a further satge of which I retain an open mind.

Reality and spirituality come very close because when we discuss these matters we are talking about the metaphisical side of things and the real side of things. When I was younger I would have dismissed that connection. but the connection between the real, the mental, the group mental, and a fresh reality is easy to prove. People who become famous for whatever reason, become rich. The fame is a mental construct, a feature of society which is immaterial. The wealth that flows from that is very real. That case is clearly proven.

And it also applies to respect, authority, and power. Study one, learn about the other. All of celebrity fame (notoriety) and power can be earned, and received as a gift, or it can be seized by nefarious means. In this way, for an example, Satanists might be totally wrong that their deity exists, and yet just because they believe that, and because they then act as a group, reality is the same as if it does exist. they create evil events to further their aims. The presence or non presence of "Satan" in this case is of less import than the fact that the dogs have been inspired (trained, educated, sponsored, appointed) and let out to do what dogs do. That's another example. These things are all around us, in society, like fleeting fashions for a colour of baseball cap to be displayed or hated, and also like thousand year affectations for religious beliefsets, or cultural mores.

And beliefs change, each in its appropriate time.

GL said: >>>...The neutral force that science has yet to discover. What is it that is so hard for people to see?

We talk a lot about religion but very little mention of this force despite the fact that Christianity even has a name for it. Star Was, "The Force" Chinese "The TAo" Fix and the Greeks "The Aether" Christians a little bit more personal " The Holy Ghost" The Voice of God etc,, etc, etc,. Lots of names. Lots of descriptions. is it only in markets or is it in all things?

The Chinese have accounted for these extreme polarities a long time ago. ...<<<

Yes indeed to this too. The force of neutrality may be considered in various ways. I embrace a few possibilities in this, and again have a certain degree of open mind and non-conclusions formed to allow learning as extra information arrives at myself.

Here are two possibilities: A: the neutral force is like a natural law based magnet from which this fly away only to return later, and overshoot again. B: the neutral zone is not a force, but a void and this is why we never pause in the place of natural justice or law. Instead there are strange attractors at certain distances away from the neutral, we are attracted to them, but when we arrive they touch and reverse polarity and begin to repel, which initiates an accelleration away from that extreme, through the neutral, and towards another extreme strange attractor.

The description "B" uses terms that come up in financial markets (support and resistance both attract and repel at different times/circumstances), and are also seen in the study of non-random non-linear "chaotic" complex systems in a great many things. There is thus, due to the observation of these in the universe in eg planetary motions, in interactions between species on this planet, and in certain measurements of humankind to attempt to build a philosophy from building blocks which allow the final philosophy to accommodate this.

GL referred to good and evil as opposites and said the Chinese saw it in a different way. >>>There were no absolutes, no absolutes of good or evil. Opposing forces worked in harmony with each other. Feeding each other. <<<

I see it something like that: Orbiting around each other, with each dependent on the other for it's present location and state. Interlocked but somehow separate while at the same time on a higher scale of seeing deeply connected.

GL said near the start of the second post I am answering: >>>What I find interesting is that you teach traders about this hidden force in markets but when it appears elsewhere, it's a construct. I'm pretty sure I've seen that criticism aimed at your work. you paint the lines where you want to paint them instead of the cycles at work. They are accusing you of creating a construct that doesn't' exist. <<<

(I am not taking the points in order so this reads more easily) The lines (being unconventional) were painted where I saw points of interest, connecting similar pints of interest and not touching all the other points of interest not pertinent at that time for that post. naturally, people who did not know my thesis, or methodology could not replicate to test. Which is intentional on my part. It is adequate to see over time that something works, and then beging a process of examination as to why that could be so. Straightforward telling is silly, counterproductive, gets dismissed instantaneously, and has many other negatives. In a skill, the skill level is invisible to those without that skill. The fool says to the craftsman, "that's easy anybody can do it, you're overcharging me!". The craftsman replies "ok go do it yourself or try to find somebody else as good for a lower price." Then the lesson begins. It did not begin while the fool was watching the craftsman at work the first time. I think some of my posts have a function in ways similar to that. Other posts are self evident. I suppost some make no sense at all to some readers, but hope they catch on and can come back to reap rewards at a later time.

All this stuff takes too long to explain, sounds too wordy when explained, is too easily dismissed, and why is that so? We have been mis-educated to not see certain important stuff. Mr Fix castigates the organized religions, and authorities for being the cause of this. He is right. Religion (and civil and other authority routinely buries inconvenient knowledge and always has done) The funny thing is he is also wrong. Let me explain in one last wordy portion of this reply. During the Dark Ages, Christianity abolished education and punished knowledge which might undermine its own propagandistic reasons to rule over everybody with a tyrannic might. Civil forces retained the artists, and the writers who eventually pushed the forces of latter day Rome back. As the theocratic force diminished, the civil authority increased, and knowledge blossomed into the Renaissance. So is authority good or bad? It depends on when, circumstance, and which is dominant, and which is submissive.

The Civic authorities resisting bishops with their racks, brands, dungeons and burning stakes in the town square, at that time, were an authority serving to protect, not oppress, in my opinion. The requirement for their rise was caused by the oppression by medieval Christianity (which was itself not walking in the ways of Christ) and the theocracy threatened the civic rulers, kings, queens, princes, so they had to defend themselves. Their self interest was congruent with the self interest of the peasantry. They pulled the church's teeth out of self interest. The swing has swung to a different extrame attractor since then. Nowadays excessive state authority occupies that place of dishonour and conceals its intentions against its subjects. It will create and forge it's own opposition, indeed, is already doing just that.

Natural Law as a process rather than a set of rules ... possibly a its a work in progress ... perpetually.

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Thu, Nov 16, 2017 - 11:34am (Reply to #17328)
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What to do ...

Of course he would still be an asshole,

You can't change that.

Exclusive: Former Joe Biden Secret Service Agent: We Had to Protect Women From Him, ‘Weinstein Level Stuff’

November 14, 2017 by Jim Hoft

A former Secret Service agent assigned to the Vice President Joe Biden residence claims that the Service often had to protect female agents from him.

He likes little boys too:

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, the agent asserted that, “We had to cancel the VP Christmas get together at the Vice President’s house because Biden would grope all of our wives and girlfriend’s asses.”The annual party was for agents and Navy personnel who were tasked with protecting the Biden family.

“He would mess with every single woman or teen. It was horrible,” the agent said.

According to the source, a Secret Service agent once got suspended for a week in 2009 for shoving Biden after he cupped his girlfriend’s breast while the couple was taking a photo with him. The situation got so heated, the source told Cassandra Fairbanks, that others had to step in to prevent the agent from hitting the then-Vice President.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/exclusive-former-joe-biden-secret-service-agent-protect-women-weinstein-level-stuff/

So others had to step in, and stop the defense of this woman's honor.

Why? Could it be the belief in the legitimacy of authority? What if one of those women just whipped out a revolver, and eliminated this perpetual threat to human dignity?

Am I being "harsh", or am I being practical?

Either way, even the Secret Service knew that placing this miscreant into any kind of public event was a really bad idea.

Options need to be explored.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
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Evil only grows when good men do nothing.

AG 1969,

I will ponder your question today, and come up with a set of useful remedies as to the question pertaining to what should be done about evil.

If identifying it, and eliminating it, where ever to become a priority, as currently, it doesn't seem to be, then such a line of thorough thought would be useful.

Until evil is properly defined and identified, there's no point in discussing what to do about it.

We currently live in a society where evil is exalted and rewarded, while basic morality is impugned, and ostracized.

As a direct result, our for-profit jails are filled with human beings who have never harmed anyone else.

And those that cause the most catastrophic harm possible to humanity run free and unfettered.

That's obviously not a solution.

I guess you didn't appreciate what was done with horse thieves, as you may object to the methods implemented, but you can't argue with the results.

Self defense through the use of even extreme force, is not immoral. It is required.

I could probably water it down with something somewhat more politically correct, but that might seriously undermine its effectiveness.

You can't have it both ways,

You either eliminate evil, or it grows.

Institutionalizing it, which is what we have done, is not the solution.

By the way, I welcome your input.

Be it derailed trains, or puzzles with missing pieces, there is a lot to work with there.

Have a nice day.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Thu, Nov 16, 2017 - 2:25pm
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Destruction of the Sacred

I did not know whether to post this in DOTS or health, but it ties together so many discussions that I think the Author might be a Turdite.

What question are we trying to answer? Where did we come from? What was the first cause of humanity? Where did the train go off the tracks? Where did those tracks start? Cycles? Time? Anarchy or Authority? Either conclusion was programmed into us. Magick. Evil. The Priestcraft. WTFK?

If there is an immutable law, I would say it is that truth, real truth becomes "Sacred." The rewrite of History has been a quest to redefine all that is Sacred to all of humanity, not some splinter faction thereof, ruled by a megalomaniac.

Something tells me that if we all rediscover the Sacred roots of life on this planet, we won't be fighting centuries on about which Fucktard's version of the truth goes into the books to program future slaves.

If we can only be held in the cages we refuse to see, then how do we see the cage? The cage we are held in is being blocked from the source of creation. In so many ways too, but since we have all discussed them ad nauseum, lets focus on seeing the cage rather than which cage is a better form of slavery.

I believe, and have discussed with Jim on the other Forum, and GL for much longer, Sacred Plants. I believe getting back to where we can see the birth of humanity is what will allow us to see the cage. I believe sacred plants, and sacred sites, etc. can help us see the truth or the cage. Now, when one considers that we only see just over 2% of the electromagnetic spectrum, that means over 97% of what is actually going on is invisible to you. Every single one of us is drawing conclusions based on someone else's explanation of the other 97 +%.

The cage is at a certain frequency that I have not yet trained my body to see. I think there are a lot of different approaches to seeing new frequencies.

https://www.sacredserpent.net/sacred-plants.html

There is nothing to come from arguing two impossible outcomes. The solution is neither Anarchy nor Limited Government. The solution is to use the force ..... 's . To see the farm is to leave it.

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A wise man, beyond his years.

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Governments

I don't think anyone here will disagree that governments over the last 1000 years have been responsible for more (early) deaths in the world than any other non-natural cause.

Governments are the mechanisms which the global elite use to consolidate, or further their wealth and power. It doesn't seem to matter too much which type of government, whether Nazism, Faschism, democratic republicanism, or religion-based governments. They all make war and murder people.

These are facts.

Anarchy is the absence of government. So, it seems to me that anarchy would be a better alternative than most, if not all forms of known ways to govern.

But, anarchy doesn't seem to work well as populations expand beyond a certain point, or become known to those who have governments.

Again, there were tribes who were essentially anarchistic for thousands of years, until they were discovered by people who came from governments. They then either died, or became controlled by the government.

It seems to me that it is admirable to be anarchistic by the definition above (no government), but it is not easy to achieve and maintain, given the human condition as GL said. If everyone in the world had a "live and let live"attitude like Mr. Fix, it might be attainable, though, and I think that would be a good thing!

We can get a tiny start toward eliminating power mongers by a thorough draining of the swamp in D.C.

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AM, I just read your reply

AM, I just read your reply after I wrote this reply to Fix. I need to go back and reread your reply but there are some common elements that apply to both of your posts although I need to go back to understand what you mean by rhetorical devices and what you mean by a construct. The rest seems like you have considered the idea more deeply than you first several posts. Let me go back and read it and consider your ideas.

Fix, Let’s start with our area of agreement. Natural Law. I use (we) as a reference to the general group consciousness, not you, me or just DOTS aka society.

We have spat on the grave of Elbert Einstein. Now, I’m in Joseph Farrells camp that he is not the silver hair God that we make him out to be but it doesn’t mean he didn’t come up with some groovy idea.s Even if he didn’t completely succeed in making his case, I’ve pointed out that others did 1000’s of years before. A complete theory of the unifying and quantum reality of the world that plays out among groups of people everyday.

We have divorced ourselves from understanding his theory of the Unified Field. We have separated ourselves from the needs of our hearts and confused it with our wants and desires. This is a big deal in knowing things for alot of reasons. I once talked about the heart field

And therefore we are blind to forces acting in the universe are the result of an unseen force that unifies all things together. it is even the active principle behind Elliot Wave, and cycle theorists operate under. We can count the peaks and troughs but do we know what force is acting to create that reality? Do we even ask the question?

I care more about the why, than I actually do about the how. It's programmed into me to ask they whys. St. Augustine said, and I paraphrase, there are no miracles, only unknown laws.

Science and religion have found it convenient to poo-poo idea’s that they do not understand. We have become orthodox, we have become dogmatic. We immerse ourselves in shallow axioms, feel good postulates of the mind and emotions rather than look deeply at the laws and principles that are on hand. Stock Market UP!! Look what Donald did? Could anybody that said that explain the dynamic of a high market? Stocks up because the chicken crossed the road, gold down on fears of mad cow disease.

We have separated ourselves from the natural world. Jim, has found the steeple houses at fault for the disconnect between man and his creator. Quite possibly one answer and part of it for some segment of society. We have separated the creator from his creation. We quote scriptures,but can we see it in action in the songs of the birds, the cycles of the plants, the instincts of the reptiles and the mammals, the markets and the events that we are gathered here to connect DOTS on? The Living Truth even in our conversations?

We have separated good and evil and can’t see the unified force that connects the two and the interactions. We fail to realize that every thought, every emotion, every action, every word (mine too) operate under some principle and law that he put into motion. There is NO religion that doesn't’t have some philosophy behind the consequences of actions. Some have personalized it as God’s judgment. I'll take that over no such theory.

Do you know who L’ouis L’amour is? He was a writer of Western novels. Quite a good one, but he was much more. He had a knowledge of people, their psychology, human nature, as well as a thorough knowledge of history!! He said that each an chooses the amount of truth he can accept, and that nobody can spoon feed another. No, he didn’t rely on authority. He relied on his own senses and abilities to work out his own problems and expected no help from anyone, not government, not his neighbor. He might be your type of guy. Resonates with me too.

Jim might also relate to this. He wrote stories to pass along his knowledge in a way people could understand. You can’t force people to accept truth and he also knew that this wasn’t a perfect world, and it would never be one. The hardest job of a leader was finding a way people would accept truth. So trying to get all people in a community to accept these higher principles is impossible. Because consciousness doesn't’t work that way. And you might be frustrated by that as I get when people assert things without the least attempt at qualifying their idea’s. So in that regard, Jim sharing a story to illustrate a principle is the way a lot of people go because it get’s by the orthodox mind censor. And there aren’t too many better than L’amour.

You can’t assume things that go against the laws of nature and reality. You can’t assume people to be at the same level of understanding.

Why don’t I suggest some solutions? Because the great balancer is build into natural law. And if some force wants me in some place, at some time, that is consistent with my talents and abilities, I'll be an agent of change. Likely, I am not the one to do that beyond my circle of friends and community.

I was reading three or four websites yesterday of people who believe in natural law and they were struggling to find a way to express it. I found this one interesting using a Christian perspective and he is expressing something that Silver66 tried to express yesterday and which I tried to express using Chinese philosophy, now the Unified Field theory. Opposing forces are not really opposing forces when you add the unifying principle, the neutral force.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2012/10/6780.html

It all only sounds theoretical, and philosophical if you can’t put it to use. If you can’t personalize it, if you can’t see this dynamic in action in events. He doesn't try so it's left to the user to make those connections unless you find somebody that can do it for you.

You can’t build a system that defies the laws of nature. That defies the laws and principles of a creator. That defies understanding of consciousness, how people act, why they act that way. It's why I keep asking you where does this show up in the natural world or illustrate to your philosophies were some form of leadership is part of that order.

We both can equally acknowledge the level of treachery, deceit, and violation of some of these principles so to expect the collective to come up to this level is a pipe dream. We can’t even get a consensus agreement in a small circle of people on this forum. You want millions of people to come on board? Anarchy is really a human construct of the mind and I understand why you think it is a solution but it ignores the human condition and maybe 1/2 dozen other principles. I'd prefer a just group of leaders, put into their positions as facilators of the groups greater good, chosen by other wise members of society that will follow a codex, a set of principles that reflect higher principles. Constitution is pretty good, but I never said perfect. That's my top line measurement. Does it ever cycle back to at least that level? Maybury thinks so. That these idea's are within each of us as I said yesterday. A country like Nigeria never had these principles to return to. So in that way , we are fortunate.

If you can find a way to draw the line higher, I'm listening. But I don't expect any system to produce a state of nirvana on earth.

We saw during the election numerous people here overtly express fuck the Constitution, elect Trump, and let him bang heads together and clean up this shit. We don’t care about principles. I'm not saying that he shouldn't pursue justice against liars on the left but doing so in alignment with natural law assures we don't swing to the otherside of the pendulum

Why do we adopt such frivolous attitudes toward a codex? Because we don’t honor, we are not awe, we are not curious enough to know that these invisible laws are important for balance. We still don't understand how they work and those that do still are learning. If they saw how these universal forces worked, they wouldn't feel that way. And we as a group do not hold the morphic field high enough. Said another way, it doesn't seem to me the group consciousness is simple not strong enough. These idea's and words are not put up for discussion through media enough. You have a bunch of underground people that essentially not too many people seem interested although Maybury says as things now get worse is subscribership is going up, up, up.

Because if our leaders don't walk this middle line, we will never get balance. The good news is that the universe does it for for us in a way that’s uncomfortable for us and will challenge our material values of the world. And if strong enough, ti will shift them toward a more spiritual view of the world. It essentially says you went waaay too far to the left, now you have to experience the pain of the other extreme. I will benevolently allow you to swing back and forth until one day you discover this unifying force and work with it. Because if you don't work with it. It will work with you.

The truth of it is Mr. Fix. The vast majority of humanity doesn’t, or never will understand this middle force but I’ve been assured at some point science will come around and individuals will wake up to it more and more. On an individual leel, the oscillation are first wide and slowly, it vibrates closer to the center where our periods of balance are less extreme swings. The constitution was devised to help keep these swings close to the middle, and other safe guards, more esoteric as I discussed, were put in place to ensure that when we screwed up that the matrix was held together.

AS messed up as it is out there, try asking a Christian to go to China and do a bible class. Or hold a protest in the city square. Those three college basketball players were looking at 10 years in prison for shoplifting.

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Deep state warning...

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Remember Deagel?

This site used to say it was a website that kept track of military equipment like jets, tanks, etc. No longer. Now, makes predictions of future population levels for 186 countries.

A few years ago, this site was discussed here. Today, Deagel projects the U.S. will lose 83% of current population in 7 years:

"The collapse of the Western financial system will wipe out the standard of living of its population while ending ponzi schemes such as the stock exchange and the pension funds. The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leading to the demise of the States. This unseen situation for the States will develop itself in a cascade pattern with unprecedented and devastating effects for the economy. Jobs offshoring will surely end with many American Corporations relocating overseas thus becoming foreign Corporations!!!! We see a significant part of the American population migrating to Latin America and Asia while migration to Europe - suffering a similar illness - won't be relevant. Nevertheless the death toll will be horrible. Take into account that the Soviet Union's population was poorer than the Americans nowadays or even then. The ex-Soviets suffered during the following struggle in the 1990s with a significant death toll and the loss of national pride. Might we say "Twice the pride, double the fall"? Nope. The American standard of living is one of the highest, far more than double of the Soviets while having added a services economy that will be gone along with the financial system. When pensioners see their retirement disappear in front of their eyes and there are no servicing jobs you can imagine what is going to happen next. At least younger people can migrate. Never in human history were so many elders among the population. In past centuries people were lucky to get to their 30s or 40s. The American downfall is set to be far worse than the Soviet Union's one. A confluence of crisis with a devastating result.

https://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx
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A View, a Narrative, a Story!

I do like what G.L. stated above:

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We have separated ourselves from the natural world. Jim, has found the steeple houses at fault for the disconnect between man and his creator. Quite possibly one answer and part of it for some segment of society. We have separated the creator from his creation. We quote scriptures,but can we see it in action in the songs of the birds, the cycles of the plants, the instincts of the reptiles and the mammals, the markets and the events that we are gathered here to connect DOTS on? The Living Truth even in our conversations?

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We seem to have a wide gap in our views of the past, present, and the future which is upon us. We have little agreement and very few will change their position. For me, it is just fine. I appreciate the forum and being allowed to give another view, even when most will think the writer is just nuts and trapped in a pancreatic, Pearl Harbor, Philosopher ditch, using fifty dollar words which most will never understand. (An example in the previous sentence).

So, therefore, here is my view: From the beginning, rebellion has been a problem. Even before our parents were given the Garden of Eden, a place that would have been what we all are looking for, even today. Yes, mom and dad wanted "knowledge" instead of Life and it cost them greatly and that Garden has been closed off from that day forward.

Their two sons had differing views and murder ran its course, and is still here today. The Creator wanted man to live in harmony, freedom, governmentless except the Government of the Kingdom, no additional laws or regulations, no priestcraft nor divisions of sects.

Things did not work out well, mankind being given freedom, entered into the sins of the flesh, the Lord raised up Noah, removes the evil, and gives us a new start. Well, that has not worked out well again as mankind wants to love their sin,they love their rebellions, and control of the lives of everyone on the planet. Jesus came to set the captive free and He Who sets us free is free indeed.

Here were are today and Mr. Trump wants to "drain the swamp". It is too late. A Greater Hand is going to "drain the entire swamp", the ones who remain will inherit the earth and there will NEVER be another outside government nor a single steeple house to be found. The government we look for, the civilization we all seek, the views we all have, will NEVER take place until after hundreds of millions of people have died and are marching their way into hell. The evil ones will be gathered from the four winds, removed, and the Gates of the eternal Kingdom, including the Tree of Life, will be seen again.

G.L. is correct when he states:

"Jim, has found the steeple houses at fault for the disconnect between man and his creator."

The citizens have drown again, falling into the old vertical structure systems of fallen men, and have paid a big price, avoiding the remedy of repentance, and is a great heartache for myself. Yes, as it is written, "everyone doing whatever they want as seen, as right, through their own eyes".

Moses gave laws and commandments, hoping to control the lives of the old covenant people. They could not follow the laws and the Lord knew that they would fail. These laws were to drive men to despair, hopefully to seek a solution, a Way out, Someone else to pay the price for their answers and it happened.

I fully expect great tribulations, to come upon the entire world, and NOTHING will stop this force. What I see within should make the pew setter run out of the blinded priestcraft building, and the others to seek while they are able. jmo Jim

NW VIEW >>>1 Cor. 1:18