Ruffian wrote: I was pretty much done with the topic BUT without going back and checking I'm pretty sure I said the Facebook horse was irritated. I did say and I'm firm on this. That Royal families front row parade escort horses were being needlessly subjected to abuse for appearance. If in my original post I said anything other than that. I misspoke. There is a big difference being irritating them and abusing them. Edit: please leave out of that hat tipping equation. I think many people appreciate my posts cuz I share so many personal details, especially the painful ones. I've been very open with my opinions, pain and rejections. Plus, when I was racing full time. I met several posters in ky and Fl and even NY and was delighted to give them a glimpse behind the scenes. Two of those fellas are now owners in KY I'm happy to say. Also a few of my clients have been known to lurk. I keep their IDs completely private. I do my best to be honest. If my story changes its cuz I have changed.
I was pretty much done with the topic BUT
without going back and checking I'm pretty sure I said the Facebook horse was irritated. I did say and I'm firm on this. That Royal families front row parade escort horses were being needlessly subjected to abuse for appearance.
If in my original post I said anything other than that. I misspoke. There is a big difference being irritating them and abusing them.
Edit: please leave out of that hat tipping equation. I think many people appreciate my posts cuz I share so many personal details, especially the painful ones. I've been very open with my opinions, pain and rejections. Plus, when I was racing full time. I met several posters in ky and Fl and even NY and was delighted to give them a glimpse behind the scenes. Two of those fellas are now owners in KY I'm happy to say. Also a few of my clients have been known to lurk. I keep their IDs completely private.
I do my best to be honest. If my story changes its cuz I have changed.
Ok, we'll leave the horse thing as is and people can make their own choices with all the information.
The hat tipping equation was satire. The stated intention of hat tips was so that individuals would know who writes quality posts that help others as relates to financial and geopolitical information. That is loooong gone. Now it's a desperate tool to have a voice. People are silly enough to admit it. Pretty much any post that says SCREW YOU GREEN LANTERN gets priority over a post where somebody tells you the price of gold in 3 months from. That's the limitation of the brain. Awakened?
Behind my silly, contrived post on hat tips is the idea of pattern recognition. You're good at it with horses and possibly other things. Good investors and traders see it and use it. It's nothing more than noting frequency, timing, and proximity of actions/events.
Some of the patterns by people on here are so overtly obvious. Have you noticed any??? Hat tips have their own hypnotic induced patterns. Your posts are rewarded and NOT rewarded have a pattern. I noted it. It's a rather silly thing for such an enlightened group but that dysfunctional pattern stays unless Turd introduces a cognitive interrupt. And that would set people in a dizzy. Heck, I induced a cogntive interrupt yesterday to somebody that depends on it and he freaked out!!! Weeeee!!! Eye for an eye.... you know.
People here post according to patterns. So regular and predictable, if a casino would accept my bets, I'd be wealthy before the casino. And somebody here might want to say, that I am inducing patterns according to my own pattern. Probably right. Said it first!! Probably nobody escapes it but some people are just a little bit more aware than others.
Heck, I predicted two patterns would happen here early AM, and I'm in the money. Too bad I didn't send somebody a PM before it happen to validate my prediction. Me saying all this and how succesful I am at predicting human behavior will tap into yet another pattern or actually another group trigger.
Heck, I've noticed patterns in bathroom and elevator use. these cycles are so entangled with human behavior even with intention it's hard to break them.
Ever go to a hotel, and not one person has used the elevator for hours and the moment you step out of your door, three other people decide to go to the elevator at the same time. If you don't believe me, sit in the lobby and observe elevator use frequency. My favorite is the bathroom at the coffee shop. Every man's bladder gets filled at the same time. Maybe it's contagious. Without hidden patterns in markets, nobody would ever be able to predict the price of anything. The problem is that so many people pick the wrong patterns.
Language skill, for example, is nothing but recognizing and using patterns. Math is clearly based on patterns. Our so-called common sense is mostly pattern recognition. Wisdom comes with age because old people have seen more patterns. Even etiquette is nothing more than patterns.
While I'll be happy to never mention your hat tip pattern again, it won't make it go away because it punches you in the face.
There is a pattern of how and what people post. My favorite is attempts at cognitive interruptions. It doesn't work but they haven't figured out why. And there is at least one wise ass who tries to do it to me all the time.
Vonburpstein had a theory, he went back into the lab to work on. It had to do with smarts and it's measurement. Maybe I can help him (doubt it) but maybe intelligence is nothing but a sophisticated ability to recognize patterns. And since we're humans, we should be really good at it. Better than animals? But isn't true that horses, dogs, cats all of senses, at least some, more evolved than humans? A dog can tell an asshole a mile a way. Human's have to dispense tests.
Well humans do have some potentially superior abilities than animals but in some cases they are totally dormant.
I'm thinking of getting a dog that has superior pattern recognition and put him infront of a computer to look at the gold charts everyday and watch his behavior. Once I note his behaviors on up days, vs down days, I'll have developed a system. Once I have codified that system, I"ll compare his outcomes vs mainstreet. But if the dog wins, and I tell people, we'll have some issues on our hand. HOw well is the collective going to take a comment like...My dog predicts the price of gold better than you. It's only a theory but they might get keyed into something that our brains don't perceive.
I like your comment about calling Fix's daughter a whore. Not that she is. However, I'm not sure it's an appropriate analogy but I get it. They might interpret it the same way.
If I walk into Mr. Fix's house and say, Hey Fix, your daughter could suck the chrome of a bumper. I'll probably get a demonstration of how free energy works.
But if I am a psychologist, and I walk into Mr. Fix's house and say, Sir, we've done a complete diagnostic of your daughters mental, emotional capacity as well as a behavioral analysis, and we've come to the conclusion based on proven methods that your daughter has child, victim, prostitute and saboteur archetypical behavior and thus we recommend the following interventions. He might take it a bit better.
But you did say the street, and this is not the street. Although Fix might cross the line, but somebody has to show it to me. Because a statement such as I find Christian theology based off dogmatic interpretation of scripture to be a insult to truth is not the samething as Go stick that bible in your ear.
If I say, Uranus is conjuct Pluto today and we are going to see the following behaviors in the market, and people go OMM, Guru Shaki has spoken. What's the difference? Yet, it happens here all the time by the same people who are demanding...(it's not very clear). That's vastly different than somebody saying, there is no evidence that the use of the planetary transits can accurately predict market performance. But such a statement would be wrong, simply because they don't know and haven't observed somebody doing it.
The assertion that it's futile to argue theology/religion with somebody seems to have some truth in it based on pattern recognition.
My phraseology rarely involves calling fellow members, or their children derogatory terms unless of course, their posts warrant it.
I agree with Green Lantern, these aren't street rules, because assertions without any evidence, almost never go unchallenged on this thread, and I personally rarely make an assertion without describing, often in great detail, exactly why I would draw such a conclusion, while supplying my corroborating evidence.
When I paint certain sources, or certain groups with a very broad, and decidedly negative brush, it is always a conclusion drawn from the preponderance of the evidence, which is provided for public examination.
As we can see, people obviously reach different conclusions than I do, but then, there wouldn't be much to discuss otherwise.
I'm fair game,
and I expect insults from people with no real argument. It's all they've got. The members of my family are off limits. With few exceptions, most people get that.
In reply to your original query, you wrote:
"Fix, When I read judges 20-21 I could not find God telling them any such thing. The whole point of the story is the apostasy of Israel and the horrors they committed trying to resolve their own sins against God and each other."
I simply Googled Judges 20 to 21, read the passages you mentioned, and then wrote my analysis.
Now technically, I'm going to give you a point here, because when I went back to the website, it did say Judges 21.
I did not know that when I did my search, I was going off what you said.
If Judges 21 is taken by itself, then there is no god involved, unless you go back to Judges 20, and find out who authorized the the war, which is clearly defined.
Judges 21 is only about the spoils of war, but without who authorized it, it has no meaning.
Fix, I'm going to answer your question without the clarity and hope I'm correctly interpreting your real question.
Yes, the bible provides moral authority/direction/guidelines for Christians. You didn't say which bible, but the whole conversation falls apart the moment I mention consciousness because that is the essence of my spiritual training.
The whole thesis of Maybury is that the two laws he came up with are the basis of most religions and you can find his two laws in some theme and varation in all religions. You know, do unto others. So easy to say ain't it?
Ag1969 once brought up this concept of the Living Truth. It has never been uttered again or discussed but that is the basis of my teaching.
I once discussed the Laws of Manu and the sacred cow. They created the law to protect the Cows because the population wasn't smart enough to figure out the consequences of killing and eating all the cows. Is it an absolute law??? NO.
don’t kill and eat all the cows. So the priestcraft had to think it out and created a law from God and they bestowed the Cow with God like qualities, hence the sacred cow.
All these religious writings were written many many years ago when the consciousness of the population isn’t what it is today. Eye for an Eye. Tooth for Tooth was the only way people could understand natural or spiritual law at that time. And for some today, they can't pierce the real natural law behind it and misinterpret it and misuse it. Truth is enternal but the expression of it and understanding of it changes. The problem is the totally misinterpretation of something like that and truth becomes frozen in time and thus dogma.
In a spiritual teaching based on the living truth, yes, they have guidelines, but nobody is going to come into your house and say, YOU CAN”T SLEEP WITH THAT WOMAN. OR YOU ARE GOING TO HELL IF YOU BED THAT WOMEN BEFORE YOU ARE WED. Beware, there might be some consequences when you don't take responsibility, and if there is, you'll reap them and move on. No biggie. It might not be the same everyone because of different circumstances. To apply the same law, the same exact way evertime is DOGMA. That's just the definition.
It's also control. Morality in a living teaching is based upon inner connection. right action is born in the moment from an inner connection.. I gave the example of the roast beef sandwich. That’s a person whose actions were determined by the situation. But once you say, YOU SHOULD NEVER return the wrong order, you’ve evolved into dogma. It depends on the persons involved in the situation.
Morality is not based on outer codes, rules and laws. Only on an inner connection where special exercises are given to open a persons consciousness to this inner connection.
All the natural and spiritual laws we talk about are taught so a person knows the operating laws of the universe. There is NO, DO NOT DO THIS OR you will burn in hell. It’s more like don’t touch the hot stove because it hurts.
You learn the law of vibration and attitude’s so you know what happens when you break those laws. Nobody is punishing you any more than sticking your finger in an electric socket is a punishment. I know how abusing these laws effects my health, wellbeing, emotional state and physical body. We talk so much about healing disease, nobody ever talks about how we got that way. Ignorance of spiritual law. NOT a punishment. A lesson.
We have laws because man needs them as guidelines. Don’t do this, don’t do that. Ten commandments the same. How many infants are born and children get to the point where they are able to communicate and don’t have an innate understanding that you can’t kill somebody else. Well back then maybe it wasn’t innate.
For me Christianity is NOT BAD. I don’t want to persecute them. My friend talks bible stuff all the time. I tell him my view, he tells me his view, and then i tell him eat your sandwich.
What Judges says might have no relevance to me in today’s situations. What actions were took, what God said then, might not apply if it the application of the law is not appropriate in the moment. So when you are arguing this polarity with them you are entering their frame. Christian see these principles as absolute, never changing, applying them the same way. There might be exceptions But Based on pattern recognition, they aren’t going to come into your frame. They are not going to handle the issue of living truth, consciousness and how it applies to their doctrine because these concepts have been removed from their doctrine and their daily teachings. I don't care. No sweat off my back.
In a living spiritual path, you are taught not to take the letter of the law but spirit of the law. What Lost Mind is trying to say that scripture reveals itself to those who apply themselves is the concept of True Contemplation that Thomas Merton talked about. It is using a quote or “charged” passage and going within to get the inner meaning or deeper meaning than the literal translation. Saying you're doing it and it's happening for you and never uttering the deeper meaning but the same meaning you'll find in a interpretation book, doesn't tell me your technique is any better than mine.
If you are arguing literal translation, you are debating on their level. It’s ok for somethings but eventually it breaks down.
But the bottom line is if a religious doctrine helps somebody live a better live. GREAT!!! If they use it to control, to try to change you, to put fear into you, or try to gain control of government, it is a breach of spiritual law and there are consequences for it. Go back and watch that clip of Beckett that AM posted.
Obviously some of that is being done here. We as a collective have to decide if we want to talk about religion. Your religion on a financial blog. Well, we decided it’s ok. Multiple threads of faith, esoteric discussions although a lot of the esoteric discussions aren’t religion. Astrology is not religion. It’s just a tool. But if you want to assert that you are the only way, and share that within a secular crowd, You must deal with the consequences of such a discussion. Some Christians here are as nice as can be, and some want to tell you are going to hell if you don’t walk their path. Once that happens, they’d better be willing to deal with what comes back unless they are willing to find middle ground. YOu can't have it only your way. Make it uncomfortable for others, and not be able to take it. What's the rules? When you do it, it's love, when they do it, it's hate?
Some people would consider saying to somebody else, you’re going to hell because you don’t do the right things, hate and fear speech.
This is not anarchy we got going on here. It’s not obeying terms of service. It's not morality on a scripture or inner revelation. It’s Mad Max rules. I don’t like you so I’m going to lurk and sucker punch you at ever opportunity. That’s slime of the earth. That’s no model, no paradigm. Those people NEED THE BIBLE. They need desperately because they have no hope of grasping this other stuff on consciousness.
There are other Christians here working at a much higher level. They have a code of ethics and conduct. I don’t care where they got it from.
For anarchy to exist, there has to be agreed upon principles by society in general. When there are none, it’s LORD OF THE FLIES. Mad Max We're here!!! SAD!!! But we've always been here now it's just up to deal with.
If you endorse a lie at any level, you're acting from the brute level. Why is it happening EN MASSE in DOTS? Because I said......you're wrong? And pointed out the fallacies of your argument? Stupid? Maybe.
endorsing those behaviors simply because you don’t like somebody is abhorrent, abberative. And there is no point in trying to figure out the problems in the world, or discussing morality when you’re not following it. The collective has a choice and keeps making the wrong one. People keep making illogically incongruent, unsubstantiated statements. Maybe they don't know better.
Maybe DOTS only works with Christians talking to Christians. Maybe Mainstreet only works if you are full time bullish. Deviate from the group consciousness and all hell breaks loose. But I sort of like that experiment.
But to give out biblical quotes on morality while at the same time breaking them becomes a discussion in futility.
We got people coming in here yelling epitaphs and then ducking out so they never have to engage in a discussion. That's cowards and it's cowardly to endorse it. While it might not be nice to say, it might not encourage a healing, it's not a lie to state these people are not the solution to our countries problems.
So....lok what showed-up in my email today. You can't make this shit up~!
"Mind-Control Through Religion in the Draco Empire"
For those who have not been doing their homework, (like skipping my posts~!), the Earth is a very unfortunate part of the Draco/Reptilian Empire.
''............that assertion that our memories are wiped for our own good in the Billy Meiers material. ''
Its right on the front page of the website introductory material.
Then there's this: it's just a personal observation of mine, but if I go through channeled material, a lot of what I find seems to reflect the predetermined believe system of the channeler.
Fair enough. One should have that in mind. I feel certain that it takes a lot of study, and a good bit of intuition, to divine the real channels from the demonics posing as higher beings. Deceit is their first name. One of the clues that I use is when the channeler has a conflicting education background to the channeled material - and that is the case in many instances - yet the enlightened material comes thru the fog just the same.
Now, since you are bringing it back up, and I'm in a different mood now, I'll tell ya what I really think. The Billy Meiers stuff is pure demonic shit. The typical 80/20 mix . My stomach turned-over before the end of the first page. I had to smudge the house. About in the same league as the Old Testament. Same source. Draco. There. Are we on the same page now?..........Ya, I thought so ................
The quote I took issue with.
In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife!"
I included 20 because I did not want to miss the context. There is no 23 or I would have read and included that also.
The"men of Gibeh" had gang raped a Levites concubine. The 11 other tribes of Israel asked to have the offenders handed over. They refused, they asked the Lord if they should go to battle. He gave them the go ahead 3 times. The warriors, "men of valor" killed on the battle field were dutifully listed. On the third day the Benjaminites warriors were defeated and the remaining 600 ran away. Then the tribes killed the Benjaminnites, child, women, animals and burned their cities. (They were not told by God to do this) They also made a vow to God not offer their girls as brides to the 600 Benjiminites. They were also not told by God to make this vow. They kept digging their hole deeper because they were leaning on their own understanding.
They had come to realize that in their sin, not following Gods instructions and figuring things out for themselves they had painted themselves into a corner. They would lose the whole tribe of Benjamin without wives. So they went and put their heads together and decided to murder another city residents and take their virgins. THEY DID THIS ON THEIR OWN AND IT WAS WRONG. The original battle in chapter 20 was in the pursuit of justice and was approved, the slaughter of innocents were not.
I sill can't find where they were instructed by God to rape anybody.
Jdg 21:25 In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
What the hell happened here today. 36 new comments? Lost mind, did you lose your mind again today? Holy coming unglued Batman!
You did however, hit on the crux of the issue when you said, and I am paraphrasing, that you two will never agree because you believe and Mr. Fix doesn't. There are many former Catholics here that don't believe, including myself, abguy...
It seems to piss off several people here that we don't believe, and every time Fix points out something about the Bible that is demonstrably false or evil, someone comes over here spewing nonsense. Just so you know, to a non believer, it is your posts that read as "Hate Speak." Again I point out that the hypocrisy is so stunning, I can't believe you don't see it.
Did the horses answer my questions yet?
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Silver66 Rage against the dying of the light
I just clicked through those same two links in a ZH comment. Interesting stuff there.
when I clicked on them at zh I immediately thought of Fix
best left to someone who can use them
I accept royalty checks is physical form ...
Thank you for an extraordinarily thought provoking post, weaving in the spirituality aspect of it all was brilliant.
Even the roast beef sandwich has deeper meaning this time. The whole Golden rule thing, doesn't necessarily come down to black-and-white, and dogma is only a little bit better than no rules at all, when applied equally across-the-board.
Living by laws without comprehending the spiritual principles behind them, is an upgrade over Mad Max, but only for a little while. Society now lives by laws that clearly violates the golden rule on many levels, and yet most still abide by them.
With a set up like that, a Mad Max scenario is guaranteed in a societal collapse.
By completely abandoning the underlying spiritual principles, law can be used as a weapon.
that was a great link on the history of the Draco religion, somehow I knew the concept of hierarchy as a control system originated with them, but I hadn't fully connected to those dots.
On Billy Meiers, wow, I never even went to his website! Thanks for the heads up, I'll go take a look in a little while.
So god authorized the annihilation of an entire civilization because one concubine got raped?
With all those other laws pertaining to sex and marriage, I'm kind of surprised god thought having a concubine was a good idea in the first place. Shouldn't this be a matter for law-enforcement? Go in, bring justice to the guilty parties?
Why are we still bombing entire civilian civilizations, killing tens of thousands or in many cases, millions of innocent children and women, just like in that particular biblical story? Would it not be more just to hold accountable the individual, or individuals that are guilty of a crime, instead of decimating an entire nation?
This even brings up a question I had for Green Lantern in his last post, "An eye for an eye" has no basis in spiritual law.
It's pure revenge, and just escalates things, it's not justice. Even in the United States, with those "Judeo Christian values", there's actually a law against assassinating a head of state, even when they are guilty of war crimes as individuals.
Instead, we break out the bombers, and carpet bomb the entire country from one boarder to the other. Is that God's justice?
Well if you incorporate Romans 13, yes, it is.
I know I'm mixing old stuff, and new stuff here, but if governing authorities are sanctioned by God because the Bible says they are, then biblically speaking, it would be immoral to refuse to commit genocide when ordered to do so. It's still looking like a recipe for perpetual war.
I personally didn't need any biblical quotes know that the entire concept of "chosen ones" and the concept of a "promised land" was a recipe for perpetual war. And perpetual war is exactly what we have. Any righteous God would hold accountable an individual for his crimes, in fact, karmic law already takes care of that. Sanctioning the decimation of an entire nation, for the transgressions of a few, is clearly the act of a megalomaniacal psychopath, and not worth worshiping.
Just think of how many lives could've been saved if the concubine had her own sword, and wasn't afraid to use it.
Self-defense is a personal responsibility. Apparently, the god of the Bible prefers genocide.
My daughter made a friend in college, who graduated last year, couldn't find any work, and wound up going back to the college town because it was the only place he had any friends. As a recovering Catholic, he had abandoned his faith, and had become a truly lost soul. He went to Pittsburgh, to stay with a friend, and to continue to look for work, and my daughter sent him a copy of E squared. She told him to go look at his radiator, in the hallway, and he thought she was a freaking wizard for knowing exactly where he lives, and sending exactly what he needed, exactly when he needed it. He still can't comprehend how she connected all those dots.
He told her the very first chapter drove him to tears. He wished he had found it years ago.
The author of that book is also a recovering Catholic, and the book is largely a narrative of her own journey of discovery.
Most people who abandon their religion, never seek spiritual principles, and if you're a recovering Catholic, it's highly likely you've never been introduced to any. Of course, they have been taught otherwise, directly attributing to their high suicide rates. It's like the difference between perceiving yourself as infinite consciousness, connected to the whole, or an inconsequential and flawed animated bag of meat, under the sky daddy's constant scrutiny.
My daughter is considerably more discerning in who she chooses to help, than I am on this forum. She recognizes a waste of time when she sees it. I'm still learning. She's been applying the principles of synchronicity and the real laws of attraction in her own life with astounding results. She's fortunate she's never had anything to "recover" from.
Now there's a thought experiment that I can really wrap my mind around!
Thank you very much.
Art L posted a video on Main St that you are not going to want to miss: