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Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 9:32am (Reply to #11477)
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Mr. Fix wrote:..From David

Mr. Fix wrote:

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From David Icke's perspective the same reptilian's have been picking our Global leaders for many thousands of years, and Donald Trump is just a new face on the same old lineage of those who have always worked to enslave humanity.

I have no problem with the idea that ETs have a hidden influence on humanity, for good and bad. 

I have no problem with the idea that a President is the effect of many unseen forces. 

I have no problem with the idea that individuals get "tweaked" by ET forces that can be overcome in the process of "awakening" I use that word sparingly because it is used in such a binary context. 

I have no problem that the mass consciousness elects an individual that reflects the consciousness of earth at this time.

I have no problem that Donald Trump in someway reflects some form of destiny to give earth the experience at this time.

And as a matter of fact, I am really not in competition with Donald Trump. I wasn't in competition with Hillary or Obama either. Nobody called me into action to overtake these forces and thus it was about understanding why, what does it mean? how does it effect us? Of course, I play along with how we discuss these things from a personal/subjective nature. What a bastard. But since I've had no interaction with these people, they do not know me personally or have anything against me, I do not take them personally, even when they steal my money but if the circumstances called on me to act, then I guess I would appropriately. 

But at this time in my personal evolution, I am unwilling to declare Donald Trump a puppet of the reptilians or his position gotten from their influence. As a matter of fact, the idea creates an automatic reflex within me that I just want to say bullshit. But I notice that and so I don't say it because this gets into an area of something I know nothing about other than what I read. I have no way to determine that it's true or false or can make a strong argument either way. So I give deference to David Icke, that he may know what he is talking about and equal deference that he might not.

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 9:37am
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Green Lantern,

Your reply to Ata is spot on.

Reality is not subjective, only beliefs, and therefore perception is. Truth is not a moving target, and to believe otherwise, releases you from the responsibility of seeking the truth. 

Natural law most certainly is not subjective, it is an overriding universal constant. It can also be proven through experimentation, observation, and all of the basic scientific principles of that are applied to any field of study.

It is definable. It can be replicated anywhere, by anyone. Your belief in it is irrelevant. Laws of nature do not change according to perception.

This is one of the key differences between new age philosophy, which has Satanic origins, and the truth.

The truth can be known, but only if you actually believe that there is such a thing.

To think otherwise, is severely misguided.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 9:58am (Reply to #11481)
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Good morning Green Lantern,

My own personal strategy has been to use natural laws as a basis of comparison to the actions of public figures such as the political, or the religious type. Historically speaking, their failure rate has been 100%. You really have to get into the esoteric studies to find examples of people who have genuinely complied with, and taught basic natural laws.

I strongly suggest that the evidence is starting to accumulate that Donald Trump is not one of these people.

I acknowledge that our new president is in a precarious position, and that it would not serve his best interests to be completely open and honest about his intentions, regardless of what they are. So far, I would argue that no one has been hurt yet, as a result of his actions. Yeah, there is that Navy seal, but if we are to believe that his death is the result of a treasonous breach of confidentiality, it may still be plausible that his intent is benevolent.

The dynamics of "draining the swamp", would by necessity require that the forces of darkness be deceived.

Like you, I am waiting for definitive actions, with real world repercussions, as opposed to talking head narratives.

Mass arrests of major power brokers are only rumored at this point, the dark side of things are quite capable of creating an illusion that no such actions have taken place.

Until we see the likes of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or George Soros or various Congress critters hogtied, and perp walked, the whole concept of "draining the swamp", amounts to no more than political rhetoric.

Could he really just be attempting to draw these cockroaches out into the light before he stops on them?

We will have to wait and see.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 9:58am (Reply to #11464)
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RE: the info stream we are bombarded with daily

‘’Come on abguy don't make me suffer through a video with guys yelling demons and aliens and first 10 minutes of rants. Give us the rub or post the video at the point where he tells us why Trump had to run Flynn under the bus, why they told us there was a trust issue etc.’’.

And, then later…………

“We need some executive summaries. What happened to people writing? You can skim through 20 minutes of talk in a one or two page well written article.. I got it's bullshit part, but it's hard to find the details listening to hours worth of youtubes.”

Thank You ~!

Yah, OK, I was exasperated and hopefully looking for factual input re Flynn. I thought that was clear, using the forum to vent. My bad.

But in my own defense, I said to only listen to the first two min, And that brings-up a point here, (that you made above), and I want to expound on.

RE: the info stream we are bombarded with daily. I for one am a reader – yah, I’m old like that. We were taught to read and write; Speed read where appropriate, skim where appropriate, re-read where appropriate. Yah, basic skills like that. I personally hate 90% of the videos on You tube. Call me a conspiracy theorist {I AM~!, thank you}, but It seems a majority of videos are purposely a time wasting re-hash. There are exceptions – like “It’s All a Rich Man’s Trick”, BUT that was a professional produced documentary. I can also exclude the 20 minute videos on how to change my fuel injectors on my GM small block. (Frkn piece of cake. Probably saved me $400+). But I swear to you, most YouTube videos are designed at taking-up all of your time. Perfect example; That video I posted - the Webb guy made his point in the first two minutes – the rest was just shouting and pounding the point home nine more times in a rant. And NO, he never offered any supporting details. SoB wasted my time. Also, that video Fix posted; omg(!) the presenter was half dead asleep, ten words/min., and the common-core millennial interviewee was OD’d on qualudes. Clearly he had not prepared the presentation. I could NOT listen for 3 minutes. I have a frkn life furxrissakes.

I think we all would appreciate more executive summaries like this:

“But if you want to save yourself a shit load of time, just read the title:”

In summary, we all knew the Lizzies were not going down without a fight. We knew they would attack on every front, using every media (they own them all), and that there is more to come. They have already told us, ‘we’re gonna set fire to the place come May’. So git a good grip on yur panties. I know at least Fix has done enough reading on the History of this portion of the Galaxy to know that the Lizzies have a strict scorched Earth policy. Dead planets abound in this quadrant, and how about that asteroid belt, huh? There Are some people saying it’s not gonna happen this time. I’d like to believe, but at the same time, I know that a shit-load of corruption has to come to the surface here, it’s gonna get ugly fast now – and those roaches DO NOT like the Light being shined on them.

Look out below, troops. INCOMING~!!

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 10:21am
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Why good people don't run for political office

1) You would be ruined!

2) Your family would be ruined!

3) You would be ruined... oh yeah already said that one....

No one can speak honestly in this world and expect anything other than complete ridicule.

Trump did it because he had orchestrated a following via the Apprentice years ahead of time. He was an actor! Ummmm, like Ronald Reagan and the Arnold. Trump had fame and fortune and enough money to bully past the MSM. Masterful shit show that he know sits right damn in the middle of probably saying "What in the F#CK have I got myself into!"

Natural laws only apply to those who give a shit about natural laws. Natural laws do not apply to criminals and politicians (err I think that was a duplicate) anyway, the only thing that applies is the consequences. Yes I'm splitting hairs on application and consequences, but that hair is the real difference.

What price your soul? That is different for every man and woman isn't it? What price for fame, fortune, freedom, power?

We have little girls (hopefully at least 18) selling themselves on Cams for $$$$ for what? The big time? For dinner?

We have a completely broken society/world. IT is broken no doubt! Billy Graham's wife (I never liked listening to him when I was young) said it best; "“If God doesn’t punish America, He’ll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.” 

I add that because it is not so much about the religion as it is about the absence thereof. Priestcraft and all the ilk from church to church selling their souls for bigger cathedrals and bigger congregations of pew warmers... and the Clintons and Obamas and the Bushes all going to church for the cameras.... oh never mind....

I really get what Jesus was saying about sin, it was all in your mind and what you allow in and what you allow out of your mouth. That is the sum total of everything that kills... Can't go to Washington DC and even begin to try and do the right thing... DC is every bit the modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, in DC they would screw anyone for anything and the wannabe's just flock for their pound of flesh...

God Bless Trump for trying. God Bless Trump for standing... and if Trump is nothing more than a charlatan then Trump will have enjoyed all the extravagances in this world and will have eternal life to pay his tab... I wouldn't want to trade places with him in any type of way.

Because if any of us would be president, every one of us would be dictators, we would have to be! IT would be the only way to do anything in that town. So, Trump has to play "fair", he has to play "along". more importantly if Trump is real, Trump must stay alive...

Trump is no Perot; do you think Trump learned anything about Perot's run against Clinton and Bush? Do you think anyone else was watching? Perot was a good man who wanted to protect this country, his pie charts and basic speak won over yuuuge levels of the populace, but someone got to him.

Uggggg, not even sure what I just ranted on about.... look squirrel.... Peace!

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 10:26am (Reply to #11482)
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To Mr Fix

Both your most recent posts really spoke to me BUT......At the end of your most recent post Mr Fix you stated

The truth can be known, but only if you actually believe that there is such a thing.

but then while taking on your idea of researching what Esoteric Christianity really is......the guy in this video made a statement in the first couple minutes that correlated with the statement you made above.

this is paraphrased of course.....but you can go listen to get the exact words and see if I misunderstood him....

Belief is the biggest obstacle in getting a good mental understanding of anything since belief makes things black & white when you believe something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BLJNrnIOnE ..... it's at a 1:30 to about 1:46 not a bad video btw....

all this stuff can really get a person to thinking in a circle at times. There so many possibilities and so much BS it's crazy. I really don't think it's anything new but just much easier to spread with instant communication world wide now days whereas it used to be sooooooooooooooooooooo much more localized.

Love DOTS!

Cheers!

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 11:41am (Reply to #11482)
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Mr. Fix wrote: The truth can

Mr. Fix wrote:

The truth can be known...

And I would add: the Truth will set you free. wink

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 12:04pm (Reply to #11485)
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LostMind wrote: Perot was a

LostMind wrote:

Perot was a good man who wanted to protect this country, his pie charts and basic speak won over yuuuge levels of the populace, but someone got to him.

I was one of his fans! I can remember watching him on television with his pie charts. As I've said before, he laid out in clear terms what NAFTA would do to our economy. Can't say we weren't warned.

Didn't he put together his own rescue team to bring back Americans from the ME? Unlike our government, he wasn't leaving behind our young men.

Oh, wasn't the threat rumored to be over the safety of his loved ones at his daughter's wedding? Seems like "they" have a penchant for crashing wedding parties....

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 12:26pm
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Flynn

Okay guys, please help me out here. From my speed reading, it seems as though folks are surprised and troubled by Flynn's resignation. Is that correct? I was hanging out on main street Sunday and listened to Robert David Steele being interviewed on Operation Freedom. He said that Flynn was a neocon and needed to go. He claimed Trump had him there just to make it through the Electoral College and Inauguration. Steele further claimed that if Trump wanted to make it alive to May 1st (by which time he said the country would be awash in violent protests), he would need to replace Flynn. Then on Monday, Flynn resigns. Should not have come as a surprise. If we are rooting for Trump, shouldn't we be thrilled that Flynn is gone? What am I missing?

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 12:39pm
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"...complete faked, contrived scandal..."

Watch ONLY for 1:30 min after the point where it starts, OK ? More if you must....

but, totally to my point, nothing is as it seems, its all BS;

AgBelle - exactly~! And... I saw Flynn smiling from ear to ear as he walked away from the podium. WTF was that about~!? Total farce.............................

https://youtu.be/IfkRsc6tL4s?t=596

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 12:48pm (Reply to #11489)
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SilverBelle :)

"What am I missing?"

SB you are missing FACTS, just like the rest of here in DOTS and Mainstreet. We only have conjecture, no real facts. We are not privy to said REAL facts, thus we have no real truth. Just conjecture...

I think we all would agree that we are trying to do our best at "assessing" what "facts" are "fed" to us in order to not miss the real point... ughhhhhhhhhhh 

I think the next few weeks and months are going to be keeping us all here REAL BUSY!!!!!! I wonder if we will actually see the truth of today weeks from now when we have more consequences of what just happened? The brightest minds are taking opposite sides of what occurred, or are they?

Who is playing who, while the other who is play the other who, who both are ultimately playing you!

BTW, this is my rant, not towards you at all. Just me losing my mind....

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 1:03pm
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Mr. Fix wrote: On my primary

Mr. Fix wrote:

On my primary topic of interest, that being exactly what Nicola Tesla knew, I remember reading many months ago, that his father was an esoteric Christian minister.

Esoteric Christianity came up in some other research last night, in a story from the 1500s, whereby apparently, there was a village somewhere in Europe, populated by esoteric Christians, esoteric Jews, and esoteric Muslims.

They were all friends, neighbors, and got along with each other quite well, while in the rest of the world, Christians, Jews and Muslims were all busy killing each other in the name of God.

Quick comment as you are touching on subjects dear to me. Technically, I think Tesla's father was a Serbian Orthodox minister. I haven't watched the video, but I think I know where you are heading calling him an esoteric Christian.

I visited Croatia so my child would see the country where Tesla was born. I'm a huge believer in experiential learning. We took a picture in front of the old city hall in Zagreb. It has a plaque commemorating his proposal to build an ac power station.

You don't have to go back to the middle ages to find christians, jews and muslims living in harmony. You only need to go to the middle east today, or rather I should say before the U.S. (and Britain and Israel) showed up. Mosul has been in the news. Atrocities going on. Did you realize that Mosul is ancient Ninevah? Have you heard of that city? Christians and Muslims living side by side .... until when? Don't hear that in the news do you?

Did you know Iranians (Persians) honor Queen Esther, a Jew?

I gotta go .... I'll add more later.

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 2:53pm
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HOLY CRAP! ...

Just got out for the first time today, to do some errands. I thought the sky was clear and the sun shining brightly. Half right. Sun shining brightly, but there are so many damn chemtrails, the sky looks like one of Mother Fellon's doilies! I've never seen it this bad. Spotted 3 planes still working on more. We must have been really naughty here in northern Flyover Land. Oh wait! I guess we were very naughty! Most of us voted for Trump! All except for those who live beneath the shadows of the cities' tallest buildings. Those rat bastards are going all out today.

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Ok Fix and Abguy,  Good

Ok Fix and Abguy, Good posts!!! I want to put some fresh meat into the bowl because gotta keep up with the new stuff. You guys get first dibs on the commentary. 

Unconfirmed: Is this normal? And if true, you have to wonder what is happening in the Black Sea at the moment.

UPDATE: Russian spy ship now located 30 miles south of Groton, CT home to a US Navy submarine base. Russian ship "loitering," US official

https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-groton-sub-base-20170215-story.html

https://www.kmov.com/story/34509209/russian-spy-ship-spotted-off-ct-coast

Russia tells White House it will not return Crimea to Ukraine

https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-groton-sub-base-20170215-story.html

Trump expects Russia to return Crimea to Ukraine: White House

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-ukraine-idUSKBN15T2IY

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Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump

Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia?

Are you serious???????????

________________________________________

If I were Trump, this is the move I'd make if I thought the base was unhappy and he needed to reinstill some positive vibes into the troops. You'd think he'd be really busy now to hold a rally.

  1. Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  1h1 hour ago

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    Join me in Florida this Saturday at 5pm for a rally at the Orlando-Melbourne International Airport! Tickets: https://bit.ly/2lQarqaFLORIDA 

Wed, Feb 15, 2017 - 5:22pm (Reply to #11494)
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you are being hosed. And again, this is only the start.

RE: the first link; It’s spelled-out there perfectly in the essay. ALL the Navy guys in the article clearly say; “Ho-Hum, business as usual. They’re always there.” said Jeff Walsh, a retired Navy senior chief, who served 22 years aboard attack submarines and works at nearby Electric Boat.

"It's been going on for years. Some people who understand the context are amused," said Walsh. "It's going to keep going on until everyone wants to play nice."

 BUT then some bloviating Democrap senator sees an opportunity for camera time, and a chance to feed the fires of the ''fear Russia/hate Trump'' campaign, says to the press;
U.S. Sen. Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat who is a ranking member on the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on Europe and Regional Security Cooperation, said: "While this is not wholly unprecedented, it's part of a series of aggressive actions by Russia that threaten U.S. national security and the security of our allies." To which I say with un-conditional luv, “Chris, you fkn mean useless bag of shit, shut the fk up~!

RE: da second link – Just all the rest of the bloviating professional congressional ass-wipes who see a chance to get some camera time, pretend to be concerned, while off camera they laugh their asses off, And to show their bosses how they can jump on a festering sore-spot, and go-along with the BS program. Spineless PoS that they Are.

Personally, I worked in a Navy contract company, specializing in electronic naval warfare. This monitoring goes on every minute of every day at every ocean port. Let me repeat that in case you are reading too fast. At. Every. Ocean. Port. Every. Day…………………... Got that??
This is how we are being mis-led to obsess on the “New Russian threat”, at this time.

RE: the buzzing of our ships over there in the Black or Red seas. I have a close friend who flew the Navy patrol and attack plane, the P-3. They “buzzed” every ship afloat, Russian and otherwise. They took tons of pictures. It was the norm to do two passes (each side) at a range of 300 – 500 feet. Normal procedure. But all of a sudden we have a national emergency when one of ours gets buzzed??? Give me a fkn break. Again, you are being hosed. And again, this is only the start.

Fix, I’ll leave the Crimea thing to you…………………………….devil

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Correct. Problem is...he already knew all of that. See?

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abguy4 wrote:Let me repeat

abguy4 wrote:

Let me repeat that in case you are reading too fast. At. Every. Ocean. Port. Every. Day…………………... Got that??
This is how we are being mis-led to obsess on the “New Russian threat”, at this time.

You're getting warm!! Real warm!!

The American Public is being primed!! 

You don't remember all those video's I posted where the guy stands on stage, asks the person to think of a number between 1 and 10,000 and guesses the number? Did he guess the number or did he plant the number in the persons head?

Think of a number between 1 and 10,000

It wasn't mind reading. It was PRE-suasion.

It's how propaganda works! Who is reporting the spy shit in Groton? The left media you say

Who is the the US official with military contacts giving the information to the media? Isn't Trump in charge of the military. 

James Corbett ‏@corbettreport  48m48 minutes ago

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James Corbett Retweeted Donald J. Trump

Sigh. Why do I imagine all those who "voted @realDonaldTrump to stop WWIII" will find a way to justify this nonsense?

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia?

You mold perceptions by massaging the consciousness by introducing an idea to get the public used to it. It's called priming. 

  • Mold their perception
  • Elicit Congruent attitudes
  • Trigger Social Pressure
  • Habituate Your Message
  • Optimize Your Message
  • Drive their Momentum
  • Sustain their compliance

The molding of perceptions started with Spiker. The message was repeated by Trump on twitter on Russia's need to return Crimeria to the Ukraine.

How did he frame the situation? He used Obama. Who hates Obama raise your hand?

Show Obama weak, and you're strong. 

Spiker starts the PRE-sausion

Spicer defended Trump's approach to Russia, telling reporters on February 14 that the president "has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate the violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea."

"The irony of this entire situation is that the president has been incredibly tough on Russia. He continues to raise the issue of Crimea, which the previous administration allowed to be seized by Russia," Spicer said.

Spicer also pointed to remarks made by Nikki Haley, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, in her first appearance before the Security Council on February 3, in which she forcefully condemned Russia, saying that "Crimea is a part of Ukraine."

And

Q Secretary Mnuchin, since sanctions are directly relevant, obviously, to the Treasury Department, which is an agency that you now oversee, can you talk a little bit about plans to sanction Russia and if you'll keep Obama-era sanctions against Russia?

SECRETARY MNUCHIN: Our current sanctions programs are in place, and I would say sanctions are an important tool that we will continue to look at for various different countries. But it's a very important program within the Treasury Department.

Q And for Russia specifically?

SECRETARY MNUCHIN: The existing policies are in place.

Q Mr. Secretary, are you contemplating any additional sanctions against Iran? And can you tell us what you think the bottom line will be at these particular sanctions you announced yesterday and are referring to today with the Venezuelan Vice President? What's it going to mean?

SECRETARY MNUCHIN: Well, first, let me just comment -- again, this is as a result of a very long effort -- 

Q Did you (inaudible) the implication, by the way?

SECRETARY MNUCHIN: Yes, this was underway. This was a very long effort. But the implication is quite significant. We expect that there will be frozen tens of millions of dollars and, again, that sanctions are a very important way of us sending a message that we will not stand for illicit activities, whether they're drug trafficking or terrorism. 

Is it beginning to look like Zbigniews Brzezinski's Grand Chessboard is TOTALLY OFF THE TABLE? TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT? And the great imperialist of stopped being imperialist? 

What have we talked about for the last two years about the demonizing of Russia and yet we have Obama sanctions, and telling Russia how to do business?

Could the meetings with Netanyahu and Shinzo Abe and we kindly recommitted to the national defense of Japan (escalate our occupation) and cooperate to protect ourselves from the Sleeping Dragon, China?

Does it look to you that America's Imperialist inclinations ended with Obama????

ATLANTIS RISING!!

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For you peeps that listen to

For you peeps that listen to Cliff High ( I can't listen to everybody) report back how many times his linguistic model has reported the words WWW3 being spoken this week

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Anybody ever play double

Anybody ever play double dutch rope when they were kids? Or is that just for the boys girls that live under big buildings.

This is how it works.

Two people twirl the ropes at high speed. The jump roper stands to the side timing the ropes. In the case of forum participation, they might sit on the periphery of a conversation for days without ever entering or playing along.

Once you have assessed the timing of the ropes, you can see them doing it with their body, and you have established the proper rhythm, you jump in and do your double dutch. You only do it after you assess you're not going to get whacked in the face and get a face or neck laceration. 

You keep your comments away from the pertinent issue and you jump in only when you think you will have success in getting a wallop in.

Anybody notice the pattern, there are people on the sideline, who stay for weeks on the sideline until they found what they measure to be a vulnerable position for the person they don't like (always misjudging the rope speed), side track the conversation and turn it to the person, and then quickly duck out hoping that nobody see's the lacerations to their ego. They recover, and try again. And again. And again ad infinitum.

Their only entry points are what they have deemed as a faux pas, never realizing they themselves have not solved the puzzle of the issue or of their motivations.

I understand such injuries are painful. And always happens during the same time period. You think that's planned? 

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Good evening.

I don't have time to respond to all posts, and notes, it's been a very long day, and I think I'm going to get some sleep early tonight.

I did read today's conversations, and I would like to present at least a theory that most of the news is pure misinformation specifically designed to route out the leaks inside the administration.

They are pumping out fake news, calling it "classified", and then arresting those that get caught for disseminating the "classified" information. Apparently, there are laws against such activities.

Anyway, to get the overall jist of it, here is William Mount's daily briefing. 

Arrest Of Main Stream Media Begins

Until the smoke clears, trying to analyze the current media blitz of dis-information is kind of pointless. 

What I have noticed, is that prior to the inauguration, most of the alternative press was walking pretty much in lockstep,

Now, there are literally dozens of competing theories as to what is going on.

This could also just as easily be a divide and conquer strategy aimed directly at patriotic Americans.

The truth is always the first casualty of war.

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