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Sat, Jan 7, 2017 - 2:38pm
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Wish I had more time...

I think there must be tons of value in this thread, and I wish I had more time to benefit and partake. Once and a while Dr. P Metals goads me into an occasional theological tiff on main street, but lest anyone feel I resent that, far from it...

Spirituality is a necessary condition for being human.

Like Mr. Fix, I suspect, I don't just buy into fairy tales past down from generation to generation, no matter how fact based they may be. What I don't doubt is that many, if not most, of those fairy tales are based on things that actually happened. So, yes, I believe there was a Jesus, I have very little doubt about that.

Furthermore, I don't doubt Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, nor do I doubt that he claimed to be the Christ. I'm particularly enamored by reports that Jesus claimed that Christ was within us all, whether we recognized that to be the case or not, and more, that salvation from sin, and communion with Christ, was possible simply through recognition that we are one in Christ.

Simply put, my take away regarding Christianity is that Jesus realized the Christ within. I remain ambivalent regarding virgin birth, progeny of David, miracles and other what not. To me, the metaphysical implications of Christian theology are what carry the most weight and interest.

What are they?

For me, the good news is that, like Jesus, we can recognize that we are part of something bigger than ourselves, that we are connected to it, we can recognize that connection, and commune with the Christ or "All that Is" through prayer or intention, or whatever. Moreover, that the Christ, or "All that Is," is the word or expression of God understood as the Creator or the Creational force of all Creation itself. Yes, I'm equating Christ with Creation. That is it in a nutshell. The essence of my Christian belief.

I'm not a dogmatist, and I'm humble in my belief, understanding just how limited my own understanding is. I have faith in something much bigger than myself, and that the wonders of the world are never ending and, as Nietzsche would say, "... deep, deeper than day can comprehend."

Finally, I am very suspicious of zealots who feel the need to convince me that I should think and believe what they have been told to think and believe. Like Mr. Fix, I've been graced with intellect, and it would be remiss not to apply it the best I can. I've come to conclude that most zealots are either misguided or insecure, and that they reinforce their own beliefs by having someone else admit their 'truth' and 'submit' to them.

Much more harm than good has been done "In the Name of God."

Those pretending to "speak" for "Him" can f#ck off.

Own up, and try speaking for yourself.

Then I'll listen...

golf is life
Sat, Jan 7, 2017 - 4:16pm
Joined: Jun 14, 2011

@GL and Ruffian

@GL: Thanks for replying in such depth. Yogananda and his teachings, offered through Self-Realization Fellowship (SRF), are pretty accommodating of widely divergent personalities and viewpoints. Basically stresses bringing body, mind, and spirit to the healthiest they can be. Meditation is a key component along with diet and exercise. Very unfanatical and following what works best for you is important; it's a pretty open family.

“Consciousness is one's level of acceptance”

and I'd add level of awareness, which, I think, the increase of both is important for personal growth

“Yoganada represents people seeking what is known as the Cosmic Consciousness”

Yes he does and everything else in between here and there; we're all on our own path.

“So all I am saying is that you can't measure a persons consciousness by the guru they follow or are inspired from and it's possible that a person that follows some path that might have some dogma attached to it, can exceed the consciousness of a person with more esoteric knowledge because it has nothing to do wiht the information base. Although a person with a high consciousness won't be bogged down with dogma for too long. Because no matter what spiritual teaching, you'll find complete assholes even in the most esoteric of them all.”

LOL! Absofinglutely. Many roads leading up the mountain, some with less distractions and detours (but sometimes those distractions and detours are what's needed). not touting, just sharing


“Ur so Cali cool !”

LOL; Moved to “behind the Orange Curtain” (Orange county, S. Cal.) from MI when I was 12 (stupid parents were tired of the cold and snow) and spent 30 years or so trying to get permanently the hell out of there bouncing around between Texas and Washington. After the last 5 years in Red Bluff in N. Cal, with the passing of my FIL, we find ourselves in S. west WA (back in the cold and snow). We'll play with this old house, built 1930, and the acre of land (it's got a garden plot and room for fruit trees), and see what the cosmos has in store for us next; as visitors to this planet we don't really have much of a sense of permanence. But, yes, the Cali cool was in full bloom during my formative years and many aspects of it found their way into my makeup. Silly hippies!

Learn to behave
Sat, Jan 7, 2017 - 4:56pm
Dirt Reynolds
Sittin' Tight
Joined: Aug 10, 2015

Mr. Fix

Yeah I have some questions for "god" whereupon we meet.

As a purveyor of odd solutions myself, nice effort.


Just lucky that way...
Sat, Jan 7, 2017 - 5:42pm
Joined: Jun 14, 2011

Just Came Across This

comment left by someone at The Archdruid's Report blog and thought the coincidence was fun:

"As far as the rewards of studying consciousness, I would say that's probably the only thing we have access to that really is infinite."

Learn to behave
Sat, Jan 7, 2017 - 10:23pm
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

Hell, Fear, Anarchy and the Constitution

The church across religions has had to create the theory of hell to make man more civilized so that he would live in fear of killing his brother!

The church had to create fear of punishment in the hereafter, in order to control the masses of people. Humanity has never reached a point of maturity enough to be ruled by anything but rules others lay down for them. laws are written down to keep the masses well behaved and in check. Mob rule never worked and as you can see by the reaction of the left that wants to overturn every rule that allows Trump to be President. As an advocate of natural law/ higher law, I’m against force unless it is in defense of your property and person. And this mob wants a little of both.

Let’s further consider Christianity from a heathen’s point of view. First, it’s the right game for some people. This, of course, affronts those who claim it supersede all others and is obligatory on all. St. Paul made the rules, selected the rituals, rites, laid down the laws, and proclaimed the game to be the best and that all other games were in the minority. If you cheerfully accept the responsibility of playing the Christian game, you follow the rules and play the best of your ability. He is playing somebodies else game and not his own. If I accept the responsibility of playing the religious way then I’m doing it for the benefits of the leaders. This is true of all religions true of all business and economic fields, professions, and of this civilization. Therefore, you have the choice of what professions, what religion, and what essentials you desire, but the civilization and culture is another basic, thus you are forced to play the game according to how somebody else wants you to play. I love culture. Participate in many of them but would feel enslaved if I had to join a fraternal organization celebrating any one of them for too long. Is there any way out of this game?

Of course, there is. you don’t have to play somebody’s game. Napoleon didn’t! St. John of the Cross didn’t. Rum, the great Persian poet didn’t! And of course, the hippies didnt’ follow the rules of society. This gets back to that subject of game play. They knew the secrets of game play. A good study!

Back to laws.

Leaders make mob checks through laws and rights. Just study the American revolution. For example, following the war, so many revolutions occurred against the Continental Congress, in the form of tax rebellion, whiskey rebellion, etc.. So Jefferson, Franklin, Carroll, Mason, Washington, Adams and others in this country who had big financial interests, wrote the Constitution which is for the most part a series of mob checks because the majority didn’t understand how to behave according to natural law. They did their best to ensure, it reflected higher law, but Jefferson knew it had to be revised….every 19 years.

The American Revolution set an example for the peoples of the world following the war, came the French Rebellion, and others all over the world and ever since we have had cycles of rebellions. So you could call this occult history in a way because it was all predicted by Blavatsky in The Secret Doctrine. She gets into how the revolution was assisted through outside help. A people’s revolution?? Never that simple. Good luck reading the Secret Doctrine, because it would take a lifetime to read and study properly. That and the cabala which by the way is where the Free Masons got their stuff!

I don’t call myself an anarchist although quite a fan of many who do. Why should I call myself something that has no chance in this world? But I could be convinced otherwise. I’m thinking when all members of TFmetals sell their guns and ammo, I’ll know they are no longer in fear of the mob over taking their property in a SHTF scenario. Until then, feed the masses laws until they wake up enough in consciousness to realize, that all the laws that ever need to be are written in your heart. Those of you are ready to be self governed. Tough nookies. You're gonna have to play the game for a bit more. But, when it comes time. I’ll miss judge judy 

Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 7:56am
Joined: May 10, 2012

When Does the Kali Yuga End?

So I was reading this article on the Kali Yuga, and there are some interesting references. Most interesting was this one:

Georgel found corroboration of the 2030 end-date in a book to which Guénon himself lent much credence: Beasts, Men and Gods by Ferdinand Ossendowski. This best-selling book published in 1922 plays a large role in the myth of Agarttha, which I have treated elsewhere.19 It culminated with a prophecy that the King of the World is supposed to have made in Mongolia in 1891:

In the fiftieth year only three great kingdoms will appear, which will exist happily seventy-one years. Afterwards there will be eighteen years of war and destruction. Then the peoples of Agharti will come up from their subterranean caverns to the surface of the earth.20

The fiftieth year from 1891 is 1941. The happy period of 71 years under three great kingdoms lasts from 1941 till 2012. Then 18 more years bring us exactly to 2030.21

We now have four suggested dates for the end of the Kali Yuga, and with it the end of the present set of four ages. The Puranic figures, taken literally, place it about 427,000 years in the future. Jean Robin, following Guénon, reckoned that it would end in 1999. Daniélou calculated that the Kali Yuga entered twilight phase in 1939 and will end completely in 2442. Georgel’s multiple cycles converge on the year 2030. After that a new Krita/Satya Yuga initiates the next cycle.


So, because this is the first time I have seen this book referenced in regard to our inner earth studies, I found an audiobook version for Mr. Fix. 

“Beasts, Men and Gods” is an account of an epic journey, filled with perils and narrow escapes, in the mold of “The Lord of the Rings.”

The difference is: it’s all true.

Ferdinand Ossendowski was a Pole who found himself in Siberia and on the losing side during the Bolshevik Revolution. To escape being rounded up and shot, he set out with a friend to reach the Pacific, there to take ship back to Europe. During his journey he fell in with dozens of other military men who shared the same objective… but nearly every one of them perished on the way.

It’s up to you to decide whether Ossendowski was threatened most by the beasts, by the men, or by the gods, or indeed, by the severe and uncompromising landscapes of Siberia, Mongolia, and China. That he survived at all seems improbable. The mystical mysteries and magics of Buddhism, “The Yellow Faith”, were woven about and through his sojourn and had no little part in his survival. Time after time he was put in the delicate position of being the bargainer between warring groups, and ultimately, only incredible luck and his friendship with the Hutuktu of Narabanchi Monastery saw him through.

When published in the United States, this book caused a sensation and became a best-seller.


So then I did a little research on the Narabanchi Monastery and I find this:

‘ More and more, men will forget their souls and will occupy themselves with their bodies. The greatest corruption will reign on the Earth. Men will become like ferocious animals, thirsting for the blood of their brothers. The Crescent will efface itself and its adepts will fall into mendicity and into perpetual war. Its conquerors will be struck by the sun but will not rise twice; the greatest misfortune will happen to them which will end in insults in the eyes of other peoples. The crowns of kings, big and small, will fall: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight… There will be a terrible war among all peoples. The oceans will turn red… the land and the bottom of the seas will be covered in bones… kingdoms will be split up, entire peoples will die… hunger, illness, crimes unknown to the laws, that never before the world has seen. Then will come the enemies of God and the Divine Spirit who are in Man. Those who take the hand of another will also perish. The forgotten, the persecuted will rise up and will hold the attention of the whole world. There will be fogs and tempests. Denuded mountains will be covered in forests. The Earth will quake… Millions of men will exchange the chains of slavery and humiliations for hunger, illness and death. The ancient roads will be covered in crowds going from one place to another. The biggest, the most beautiful cities will perish by fire… one, two, three… The father will rise up against the son, the brother against the brother, the mother against the daughter. Vice, crime, destruction of the body and of the soul will follow… Families will be dispersed… Fidelity and love will disappear… From ten thousand men, only one will survive… he will be naked, mad, without strength and will not know how to build a house or find food… He will hurl like the furious wolf, will devour cadavers, will bite his own flesh, and will defy God in combat… All the Earth will be empty. God will turn away from it. On it will spread only night and death. Then I shall send a People, now unknown, who, with a strong hand, will tear out the weeds of madness and vice, and will lead those who remain faithful to the Spirit of Man in the battle against evil. They will found a new life on the Earth that is purified by the death of nations. In the fiftieth year, three great kingdoms only will appear, which will live happily for seventy-one years. Afterwards, there will be eighteen years of war and destruction. Then the Peoples of Agharti will come out of their Underground Caverns and will appear on the surface of the Earth.’


And I would swear that GL sent me this text a couple of years ago when he introduced me to the Yugas. 

Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 8:07am
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

Ag1969....similar.  From a

Ag1969....similar. From a different book. The good news is that there are cycles within cycles and it's not straight downhill. We're thousands of years off from it's conclusion. 

“It is the lowest instincts that spur the men of the Kali Yuga on. They prefer to choose false ideas. They do not hesitate to persecute sages. Desire torments them. Slovenliness, illness, hunger, and fear spread. There will be severe droughts. The different regions of countries will be in conflict with each other. The sacred books are no longer respected. Men will be without morals, irritable and sectarian. In the age of Kali false doctrines and misleading writings spread… Many will perish… Most of the new leaders are of working-class origin. They will hunt down the priests and upholders of knowledge. Fetuses will be killed in the stomachs of their mothers and heroes will be assassinated. The Shudra will claim to behave like Brahmans and the priests like laborers. Thieves will become kings, and kings will be the thieves. Women who have relationships with several men will be numerous…. The earth will produce plenty in some places and too little in others. Rulers will confiscate property and use it badly. They will cease to protect the people. Base men who have gained a certain amount of learning (without having the virtues necessary for its use) will be esteemed as sages. Men who do not possess the virtues of warriors will become kings. Scholars will be in the service of mediocre, conceited, and malevolent men. Priests will degrade themselves by selling the sacraments. There will be many displaced persons, wandering from one country to another… Predatory animals will be more violent….

“Young girls will do trade in their virginity. The god of the clouds will be inconsistent in the distribution of the rains. Shopkeepers will run dishonest businesses. They will be surrounded by pretentious, false philosophers. There will be many beggars and unemployed people. Everyone will use hard and vulgar language. No one will be able to trust anyone else. People will be envious… moralizing puritans characterize the period of the end of the Kali Yuga. … Wealth and harvests will decrease… Rapes will be frequent. Many people will be treacherous, lustful, base, and foolhardy… There will be many children born whose life expectancy is no more than sixteen years… Wheat supplies will be stolen. Thieves will steal from thieves. People will become inactive, lethargic, and purposeless. Illness, rats, and noxious substances will plague them… Unqualified people will pass as experts in matters of morals and religion. People will massacre women, children, cows, and one another.” (Daniélou, Alain; While the Gods Play: Shaiva Oracles and Predictions on the Cycles of History and the Destiny of Mankind. Inner Traditions / Bear & Co, Aug 1, 1987. p. 211f.)

Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 8:22am
Joined: May 10, 2012

Oh, thanks GL

The perceived synchronicity had me ready to sit in a corner and incoherently mumble to myself all day. Now I can complete my chore list instead.

Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 8:46am
Joined: May 10, 2012

Archons, Dominions and Thoughts that Run Wild

There is a simple premise in esoteric literature: thoughts have power. Even modern science accepts that behind the structure we know as the material world is a web of energy, and the interactions between different types of energy create the semblance of solidity we call matter. Thought, then, as a form of energy, has the same power. This is why in so many traditions there are admonitions about controlling the thought process, while thinking and doing are still different things, thinking does have its effects.

Clairvoyants of many persuasions have seen and documented the shapes and forms produced by various types of thought; witness the work of Charles Leadbeater. While many of these forms are fleeting, when empowered by the emotions and by memory they become more than just thoughts, they become thought forms.

These thoughtforms exist beyond simply when they are thought – they take on an independent existence within the mind of the thinker. They then influence memory and condition our perceptions of everyday life. We may want to see these thoughtforms as only existing within the psyche of the neurotic or unstable, and yet all of us have our lives conditioned by the thoughtforms we have created in the past. For most people they never see the present unfiltered, all experience is sieved through thoughtforms created from childhood, and even beyond through past lives.

“Meme: (pron. ‘meem’) A contagious idea that replicates like a virus, passed on from mind to mind. Memes function the same way genes and viruses do, propagating through communication networks and face-to-face contact between people.”

– David S. Bennahum.

Thoughts however go much further. As documented in much modern research on Memes, thoughtforms can become like viruses of the mind. They can spread throughout groups, families, nations and indeed the world and are passed through the deeper levels of the unconscious we all experience. Rumours, tales and urban myths are all memes or thoughtforms. While they may be primarily passed by the printed word, internet, media, etc., there is a time when they reach a certain “saturation point” and then become part of the collective unconscious. This is exceptionally dangerous as negative and violent forms can control groups and crowds creating mob violence and aggression. These group-minds are really thoughtforms out of control, and are known in the Gnostic Tradition as Archons. There are multitudes of Archons dwelling both within our minds and within the collective unconscious.

Not only can Archons exist in the unconscious collective mind, they can create a breach into the astral worlds through which fallen spiritual entities can then move into the earthly spheres and control the thoughtforms created. The Archons are the products of mankind enlivened by fallen spirits and fed by our own emotions. They can control and influence individuals, collectives, even nations and governments.

In Gnostic literature these Archons can so increase in power that they become Dominions, forces which control whole groups of people; even races and countries. People of many religions think that they are worshipping the I-AM; however they are actually feeding a false god, an Archon they have created from their own ignorance. This happens all too often and is why the esoteric tradition is imperative.

imageWithout the guidance of esotericism, many will be caught within the web of exoteric (outer) religion. Fundamentalism, cults, literalism, extremism are all products of incorrect readings of the spiritual tradition. When these groups develop, their thoughtforms take on a life of their own and, not being connected to the “real” energies of the Great Chain of Being, they soon sour and become a nexus for the manifestation of fallen entities from the astral worlds.

These fallen spirits work out of step with the universe and invigorate these forms so that they become independent, discrete fields of energy within the astral world (Archons). They grow from Archons to Dominions and rule from their astral kingdoms. Their poor and unfortunate worshippers think they are following the “true god” but are actually feeding monsters created from mans suffering and ignorance. Many of these forms feed on suffering, while others feed on pleasure, and they amplify the emotions of their members to gain more and more sustenance. In some sense they are truly “spiritual vampires”, and without esotericism, all religions and traditions succumb.


Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 9:45am (Reply to #10730)
Joined: Jan 20, 2013

ag1969 wrote:There is a

ag1969 wrote:
There is a simple premise in esoteric literature: thoughts have power. Even modern science accepts that behind the structure we know as the material world is a web of energy, and the interactions between different types of energy create the semblance of solidity we call matter. Thought, THEN, as a form of energy, has the same power. This is why in so many traditions there are admonitions about controlling the thought process, while thinking and doing are still different things, thinking does have its effects.

What form of energy is thought? The same? Different? Really or not? Is the electrical current of a thought "the same" as the energy in a material solid like an ounce of lead? If not the measurable electrical current of the neurons of the thought, then what, the "metaphysical" energy of that thought? Back we go to religion and social power/duress/peer momentum.

Break in the logic underlined. Unjustified misleading inference in caps. Consequence of the break highlighted in bold face. All that follows is not adequately argued. The sentence has a massive missing word at the it's beginning and that word is "If".

This is not to say a different argument can not be used to make these points. Maybe. Maybe not. But the text here does not do that. The rest of the text which follows downstream of the logic break is tainted or a false conclusi0n based on what's here.

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Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 9:49am
Eastern, KS
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Now you can HEAR chemistry

I was wondering if this makes sense to the musically inclined members of Turdville:

Now you can HEAR chemistry: Health Ranger translates molecules into music in stunning video demonstration that will blow your mind (and your ears)


Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 10:24am
Joined: May 10, 2012


OK, I did not pick up on that. My particular interest in that article is an ongoing discussion with Abguy about the Archons. This was the first time that I had read how the Gnostics defined an Archon as a thought construct, albeit different than the physical jerk off beings that I, and I think Abguy, perceive them as. 

With that said, I agree with your premise. Again, as we have seen a lot of here lately, that while the conclusion of this article is iffy, I don't reject everything within the article as false. We read a lot about how our thoughts create our reality, and I have certainly demonstrated this to myself, I am still a little fuzzy on the physics of it all.

It certainly puts a new spin on this whole concept that our energy is their food. 

Thank you for your response.

Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 10:42am
Joined: May 10, 2012


Pretty cool, but Adams claiming he discovered this is a little over the top. I forget who it was that said, "When I first saw the periodic table I saw music," but we have been talking about this concept even in this forum for a long time.


Sonic Geometry : The Language of Frequency and Form (in High Definition)
Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 12:48pm (Reply to #10734)
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

DragonFly wrote:I was

DragonFly wrote:

I was wondering if this makes sense to the musically inclined members of Turdville:

Now you can HEAR chemistry: Health Ranger translates molecules into music in stunning video demonstration that will blow your mind (and your ears)


Makes sense! Just note, you are not actually hearing the music from the atoms swirling around a nucleus, he is simply translating the molecular frequencies into music and then suggesting if you could hear the frequencies of the atoms, this is what it would sound like. That would be cool if you could hear atoms, and my guess is in theory it is possible, if you had the right equipment. 

He is working off the Pythagorean theory that all things have vibration including the postulate that the rotation of the planets, revolve in certain proportions and those proportions create "The Music of the Spheres" Gustav Holst in similar fashion as the chemistry guy translated those vibrations to musical notes and wrote "The Planets" Obviously, he knew something about their archetypical meanings in astrology. 


You decide if the music conjures up these archetypes for you. 

  1. Mars, the Bringer of War (1914)
  2. Venus, the Bringer of Peace (1914)
  3. Mercury, the Winged Messenger (1916)
  4. Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity (1914)
  5. Saturn, the Bringer of Old Age (1915)
  6. Uranus, the Magician (1915)
  7. Neptune, the Mystic (1915)

One way you break up collective thought forms that have taken up in your consciousness is through sound. And than we move from the "occult" version of history to the "occult" history of music and how various forms of music were said to be the causality of certain events, and collective attitudes.

Can I prove any of this? Difficult using fundamental laws of logic and this where "Gnosis" (as an experience) can take you beyond the laws of logic.

Read Joseph's Farrell's books and his writings. Listen to how he speaks, how he thinks, and what music he listens to. He is always writing about Bach, CPE Bach and early Baroque music especially Organ music. One of the postulates about listening to alot of Bach is that it organizes your throught forms. How can you know? Listen to only Bach for a couple of weeks and see if you observe any difference in your state. Look at the music of the 60's and the events that took place and see if there is a pattern. 

 And then go to any university music school and check out all the University professors who teach early music. Once you see the pattern of similarity, you might wonder is their a correlation between behavior and music people listen to? All my jazz professors used language like, put snot on the notes, don't chuck and jive me and stop f*cKing around, while all the orchestral people dressed differently and spoke differently. And then check out the writings on the effects of different music and compare to see if you can identify a pattern.

I'll have to listen to that chemists music. See if there is any difference between stable and unstable structures.

Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 5:15pm (Reply to #10735)
alan mistrater
rochester, NY
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

There is so much wrong with this essay

Bloody hell and a visceral NO~! There is so much wrong with this essay , I don’t know where to begin. I guess I’ll just pick it apart until I get tired of the exercise.

First paragraph – OK. Then it goes to hell fast.

Clairvoyants of many persuasions have seen and documented the shapes and forms produced by various types of thought; witness the work of Charles Leadbeater. While many of these forms are fleeting, when empowered by the emotions and by memory they become more than just thoughts, they become thought forms.

Julian’s mis-guided reference is to, “Occult Chemistry” by Leadbetter and Besant. Leadbetter was a secretary to the clairvoyant Annie Besant. He “saw” nothing. Annie had NO background in Chemistry or Physics, nor were ANY of her psychic revelations into the nature of atomic particles even known, when they published the book. I’ve posted extensively on this in prior years. Julian’s totally inane reference to her actually very accurate revelations, as being a reflection of her thought forms is stupid to the point of ludicrous.

Then later; These group-minds are really thoughtforms out of control, and are known in the Gnostic Tradition as Archons. There are multitudes of Archons dwelling both within our minds and within the collective unconscious.

I take that to mean - and he develops this woefully twisted reasoning more later - that he wants us to somehow believe that we have collectively created the Archons by our collective bad thoughts. This is the most inane and purposefully malevolent line of thinking that so sadly infested the New Age. The equivalent of sticking yur own head up yur own ass. Stated in other words. “Bad things happened to you because you are a bad person, with bad thoughts, and therefore you created bad circumstances, and then attracted bad things to you. Or – ‘’You had bad thoughts, and you are a bad person, that’s why you got raped.” One of the very most determinant characteristics of the psychopath, and not co-incidentally the foundation of the major religions…… Guilt. You are a bad person, and you must pray for forgiveness and mercy – and OBTW, give us your money, servitude, and your virgins.

Archons are not thought forms, they are very real on parallel dimensions, that bleed-over into ours, but they just so happen to gain energy from your emotions – NOT your thought forms. OBTW, this question of ‘the ability of humans to create entities with their own consciousness’, has already been addressed by multiple sources and the answer is a resolute NFWIGLC, no fkn way in god’s little creation. RA answered this question, Seth answered this question, the Pleiadians answered this question, and that’s just from my limited readings. I don’t know how many other sources have addressed this question, as it is very common question to beginners. The ability to create conscious entities (by exercising group thought form practices), is not attained until a group mind reaches something beyond what we might define (for conversation sake), as the seventh to tenth dimensions. The responsibility is that great. For example, as I’ve explained previously, the Greys are biological robotic/androids. They do not possess a soul, or maybe 1/20,000,000th of a soul, which is why they are vacant of human emotions, but rather have a hive mentality. They were engineered by entities below the 7-10 level, and we are told that those wanna-be creator races are paying some heavy karmic dues accordingly. I hope that helps. Just think about it. IF us lower life form humans were really able to create thought form entities, we would be up to our eyeballs in half-baked little critters, until nothing else existed.

I have to wonder if Julian is so limited in his readings that he has never encountered the literature on this question – unless he is purposely trying to misguide his readers.

Well then he goes along rather coherently until we come to;

Indeed, it is through our own permission that they enter the earth sphere. This is the idea which gave birth to the “fall of man” tradition. Since man in his ignorance created fallen thought forms and allowed fallen entities to enter into the earth stream, then ultimately man is responsible for the present condition of his planet, his culture and his soul.

No and hell no. Once again according to Julian, the blame is all ours, for what we do that we don’t know that we did. Horseshit. We never gave a mass permission, and it was never ours to give or not. And we did not create Archons. They were not our creation, we just aren’t capable. Where in your consciousness (or un-consciousness), do you dear reader rape and eat babies?? ……....No? Yet that is exactly what the Archons do – I’m referring here to humans as babies on the scale of creation.

And now we are learning that the humans that do entertain demonic entities do just that – rape and eat babies. What a co-incidence, huh? Now, I do believe the evidence is that desperate humans can collectively grant enough thought form energy to invite these malevolent entities to exercise a presence, and that is apparently is what is done at the Satanic gatherings. And, that’s why the Archons strive to put us in desperate situations, and simply, ‘wait-us-out’. The plan is that sooner or later we will turn desperate and turn to them, and they are there to grant temporary earthly rewards, in exchange for allowing them to share our souls, and energies. OMG, I’m sounding slightly biblical here, lol. Lord save me!

While in Medieval periods we may have had demons, incubus and succubus, in the present we have aliens, UFO abductions and medical experiments by creatures we cannot see. In the modern mode, these Archons are sometimes called “ultraterrestrials”. However we must realize that these forms are spiritual in origin.

OK, now I’m getting tired of this horseshit. We still have, ‘’demons, incubus and succubus’’, just ask me or read the extensive, and very current literature that I’ve previously referenced in prior posts.

And what a total lack of understanding to call ETs ‘spiritual in origin’. WTF does that mean Julian~!? Furxrissakes we and everything else in creation are “spiritual” in origin.

My own “Nag Hammadi Library”, J.M.Robinson, has a very different interpretation than Julian is presenting, and it agrees with all my aforementioned sources.

Just sayin…………………..dyodd

Thanks for the kick in the head, AG.

Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 5:41pm (Reply to #10736)
alan mistrater
rochester, NY
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

amazing stuff there Dragonfly

That is absolutely amazing stuff there Dragonfly. I’m not the least bit surprised that the elements are singing a frequency (note) and that compounds all have their own tune.

You see, in a previous life I was a Research Chemical Engineer working on applications – specifically for four elements that were crucial to our machine performance. I was tasked with maximizing the performance of an alloy of these elements. It was a particularly thorny issue that dozens of previous guys had researched and given-up on.

Well, I was in conversation with my guru of that time, and he/she told me to; ‘go sit by myself in nature, a small brook would be optimal – and ask to speak to the element that I was principally interested in. Then, state your intent, and ask the element if it will show you how to treat it, in order for it to demonstrate the properties that you require. It probably will not answer at that sitting, but just allow it to ‘come-thru’, later.’ So I did, and I ended-up treating the element in a way it had never been treated before, and wholla~!, it worked miraculously well.

I have come to believe that all the elements have an individual and a Group consciousness. You might recall my story of how the “ ……these rocks hold the memories of my people. These lands are sacred to us.”

There are many forms of consciousness all around us, the Plant Kingdom, the Animal Kingdom, and the Mineral Kingdom is often mentioned in the literature.

Believe it.

Nice post. Thanks

Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 5:59pm
alan mistrater
rochester, NY
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

Can you hear me now??

I was re-reading the Adams Music/Chemistry article, when I took note of this, hahahhahaha;

''How I discovered Elemonics''

''This incredible revelation came to me during a walk in nature as I was pondering a particular ionization problem with a Time-Of-Flight mass spec instrument at my forensic food laboratory''

Sun, Jan 8, 2017 - 6:28pm
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

orthodoxy of the

Ag1969, You gone and done it. Open a big freakin' rabbit hole and now all us woo woo's are chiming in.

I don't know shit about Arcon's, never read about them until this conversation, so I can't chime in. I don't I missed it my studies but have to figure out what they are in context to what I do know. But I do know something about thought forms, and energetic's of emotions. A shit load! Extensive reading, yes, but more rolling my sleeves up and jumping in head first, experimenting with every technique to see for myself, just what the F%$$ is real and what is bullshit.

What I know, I assert strongly. What I don't know, I STFU until I know what's going on.

For a time, I was around some of the most astounding clairvoyants you ever done met. But by far, the one who can see the things that I originally thought unbelievable, is by far the most advanced, amazing person, I ever worked with. She does not teach clairvoyant but she is an advanced healer dealing in modalities that the earth is just coming to know and does things, that have me struggling with how little most of us can do.

I do not endorse any kind of psychic or occult training of any sort. Magic, mysticism of any sort. But for some people it happens. Life is sort of an experimental exercise. Trying things, walking into dark corners, and figuring out, that's not for you. Constantly, re-evaluating, re-calibrating.

So yeah, I spent about three years in clairvoyant training. The standard training as taught at Berkely Psychic Institute and Aescelpion in Berkley California. In a way, it's NO BIG deal. You close your eye's, practice mock-ups like you learn in all these new age visualization books on how to create the life you want. At some point, you do it so much that you realize, holy shit, creating images is an extremely powerful thing and it's not to be taken lightly. You'll never figure it out unless you sit with your eye's close for hours at a time. This is not a psychic technique, it's simplya capablity of a human being that for the mass of humanity is not tapped into.

But psychic training is designed to have you look at aura's and see why people have problems. That's not why I did it. I did it because one day somebody said close your eyes and see what you see. And i told her, It's black and I don't see shit. She said just play, and put up an image of a rose. And if you read all those thesolophy people and all those books you see roses plastered all over the books. The next thing I know, I'm telling her I see a woman in a chair, in a bedroom, with a picture of a boat, and described the paining and the picture. LUCKY BEGINNERS LUCK.

Now don't think for a moment that we here exchanging idea's on a two dimensional forum are not exchanging energies in a very personal way. Because we are!!! And it could be seen. Just be luckly there are no consciousness black magicians here that now how to do it. By now, a few of you have your garlic out and holy water throwing it on the computer. A person can be a total imbecile and now nothing about this and throw thought forms into your space and you have to clear them out. HOw do I know? Because you can see them. It's not common but it's not uncommon. When emotions get out of hand, and somebody really gets angry, they can very easily violate your energetic space.

It is well known (not a very good way to prove something by saying it) that thought forms and EMOTIONAL energies collect in places like train, bus stations, airports, malls. I stay far away from these places as much as possible. These days it's not as bad for me as when I was doing that type of training which I stopped on a dime for the basic reason, the more you open yourself up to that area, the more you are suscpetible to astral and etheric energies. That means ghouls, that's right, don't like being seen, and you'll be suprised how many unconscious people in this world exist that have different sort of attachments.

The worst time is christmas when the material vibrations are course. Everybody running to the mall, spending money, wanting, needing, hoping to keep up with the Jones etc... So I used to have to come home, go into trance, and run energy. GROUND AND RUN ENERGY MEDITATIONS is BASIC. If you are stressed out, you owe it to yourself, not to have to run to a massage therapist or an acupuncture to learn how to deal with your own energy. Once you clear these energies in your space, a funny thing happens. You start to see more clearly. Emotions are the gas which give thought forms their power, but negative thought forms have repercussions.

I never post this kind of shit, psychic books, healing books, because it's not the place. But for a basic understanding of what people can see and what's really out there, and people work with,

I recommend this as information. Basic psychic protection tools are useful. Basic, running and grounding of energy is useful. This has nothing to do with spirituality or your relationship with a higher power. This is out and out psychic training. Seeing does not make you a more spiritual person.


This is how I know for absolutely freakin' certainty that the majority of the people who channel information are full of bullshit. They teach transmediumship at these classes and these pie holes let any mischiveious entity into their space. And worse, they let them plug into them. So I'm very suspicious of this David Wilcox guy who claims a past reincarnation for two reasons. People can see stuff and misinterpret them. These personalities can actually become part of you. But it's the morphic field. People can have multiple personalities inside them. This is the inability to separate yourself from an information pool. Used to be these psychic talent shows and people would go to a scene of a crime and they would test them all what happened. The police knew what happened, but they wanted to see how much the psychics would get. They would often get alot of information correct, but all those suckers got flooded, and couldn't handle the energy. Most of them had poor training or no training at all. The moment you get flooded, it means you can't separate yourself and it triggers your own emotions which you have no business doing that stuff if you can't separate it.

If you read that book, you'll see how thought forms and emotions can congregate in a public place. I read recently that the community wanted to destroy the house in Detroit where those kidnappings and rapes took place. I'd suggest throwing an atom bomb on them. Don't sell or buy that kind of property.

Thought forms do not create anything on their own. It has to impress itself on what Fix calls the Aether, the invisible, formless stuff. So exactly would you know what the repercussions are of living a life of nasty thoughts? I'd post more books but it's enough and my guess most books that get posted here never get read. So I'll only do it privately. It is possible to speed up your vibration and release the effect of thoughtforms and sometimes you have to deal with the consequences. That's nothing more than a postulate without providing you one ounce of evidence, because I am not going to do it in this forum. It's frankly too personal and it's way outside what the collective has ever talked about or I think the consciousness is gonna hold. You'll just argue it away with counter postulates. Neither side supporting those postulates and so peole just believe what they want without any direct experience or even anecdotal evicence to give creedence to either ascertion. But I'll play that game....there are real consequences to thought forms, like I want to die, or sending angry thought forms at other people. You say no, I say yes.

As far as victims, I'm thinking of not touching that one with a ten foot pole other than lightly dancing around it. I agree bad things do not happen to people because they are bad. You're right. That's bullshit, but they are not innocent victims either. We ccan talk about (and I'm changing words to dance around the subject) mass resonance, why do groups of people go down in a fire, 9-11, some nightclub in a Paris. Is it random, with absolutely no explanation other than everything is random? Not on your life. If you think so, ok. But this is a rabbit hole, I'm not willing to go down any further.

We know from chatting with each other that there is alot of illness people are dealing with here. Cancer, heart conditions, blood pressure, anxiety etc.... In another words, the enlightened group has as many physical issues as the unenlightened. That's good. We're human beings. Our focus on health has been solely on how to treat with diet and natural agents, herbs and similar. That's good because for most people that's the most effective way. But I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, I'm absolutely sure, that there is so much more complexity to illness than bad diet, GMO's. Our health system, in someways,is neanderthal. And new information is coming out now that I've never even imagined in understanding how each of us become "victims" of these diseases. But morphic fields is part of it, but understanding how emotions, thought forms create your own troubles, our culture is not ready to deal with it. Simply said, somewhere along the line, if you suffer from any kind of illness, which is probably all of us, you have violated some natural law on some level of reality. The illness is NOT a punishment. It's a mesasge. It's a learning experience. On some level, group calamities, or even people being in the wrong place at the wrong time is not random, nor a punishment. And I'm willing to go as far not a victim but it is very very very difficult in the human consciousness to figure out why millions of people got gassed. That's unbelievable evil. But there is more to these stories. I actually think that Blavatsky dealt with this. So you can follow those bacon drippings. There is a greater divine reason for these things, as much as we see these things abhorrent. If things were so random, AM and Martin Armstrong would be out of business. I think I danced around that issue well enough.

Mon, Jan 9, 2017 - 6:09am (Reply to #10739)
New Zealand
Joined: Mar 7, 2013

Pedos and their enablers

Ruff there is only one thing we can do. Keep a list of their names.

Country. State. County. Name. Position. Date. Proposition & Vote.

Maybe the against voters too?

Link to their actual voting records on this issue would be handy. Hard copy everything in case the records get "lost".

We outside of the USA can watch for similar and do the same thing. You have to believe that if it's rife throughout the US, UK & Europe, then it is everywhere. Absolutely everywhere.

TF may have a problemo with this site if we do it here, and I am at my limit with blog knowledge. If you think there is another way to preserve this info that would work, please share.

Others can keep a link/copy for posterity. 

According to the whistleblowers they have been coming for our children for a while & it's time to notify the bastards that we are ready to fight back.

Mon, Jan 9, 2017 - 8:16am
Joined: Jun 15, 2011

Forecast-East Coast

please nobody be alarmed. The 40 degree increase of temperature forecasted over the next 48 hours is completely normal. And the sporadic disbursement of 50 degree weather between frigid days we've had thus far this winter confirms that nobody knows what the F%^k they are talking about as it relates to climate change.

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