It is amazing that we can view many things and see the exact same conclusions and also be light years apart on foundational issues. That is O.K.! I will paste a page from Church History for your viewing:
By:Andrew MillerFrom:Miller's Church HistoryFrom:Crusades (1093 A.D. - 1213 A.D.): Chapter 20
The enemy now changes his tactics. The pope had gained little or nothing by his long wars with the empire, and the common sense of mankind had been insulted by his unexampled insolence. Means more plausible, more deceiving, more pious, must be devised. How can the spiritual power gain complete ascendancy over the temporal? was still the one question to be solved.
The evil genius of Rome presiding in her councils suggests a holy war for the purpose of rescuing the sepulcher of Christ from the hands of the unbelieving Turks. Pope Urban immediately embraced the suggestion, and became its champion. The whole Vatican agreed. It was perfectly evident that by these long expeditions to Palestine, the blood of Europe must be drained, its strength exhausted, and its treasure wasted. There was no thought of seeking to convert the unbelieving to the faith of Christ—the true mission of Christianity—but of weakening the power of the temporal monarchs, that the pontiffs might reign over them. The papacy is essentially infidel. "Marriage is honorable in all"—in all, says the word of God. No, said Gregory, it is concubinage in the priesthood—a soul-damning sin. But the word of God stands unchanged and unchangeable. Marriage is honorable in all—not in some only, but in all; and mark, honorable, in all. It was instituted by God Himself who "brought the woman to the man," sanctioned by Christ, and proclaimed "honorable in all," by the Holy Spirit. "Preach the gospel to every creature" is the Savior's commission to all who own Him as Savior and Lord. No, says Urban, slaughter the unbelievers without mercy. This is the work which God requires at your hand. Let the tares be torn up by the roots, and cast into the fire that they may be burned up. But this was not all. The power of the nations must be reduced that the pontiff may triumph over them. Results will soon show that such were the counsels of the evil genius of popery.
Do we see that the current crusades of the Muslims are not a new thing? The blinded steeple house of wealth/control and power has been in that business for hundreds of years. Has this knowledge of the past brought the power hungry to repentance? Nope! According to many articles I have read, thousands of Muslim converts, especially in Africa, are joining the RCC. Out of one fire into another. Amazing! The enemy loves to stay in control even as has been in the past.
Oh well, this is not T.O.F. forum and I am fighting a major rant. Jim
Okay, I think you have outlined the true purpose of Christianity, at least according to the Vatican, and that is power and conquest. This has nothing to do whatsoever with anything that Jesus Christ was about.
A huge percentage of the world has been presented with only two choices, be a Muslim, or be a Catholic.
Tough choice, because it boils down to lose your head, or burn in hell.
There are other choices, but many people are completely unaware of them.
Incidentally, Mohammed was just an illiterate psychopathic pedophile, and Islam was a Vatican invention. So in reality, deciding which religion to choose, is kind of like choosing a political candidate, knowing full well elections are rigged.
In the end, you still have the same slave masters. And either way, you're still answering to the same imaginary sky daddy with a personality like Stalin, Mao, or Hitler. This is hardly something worth striving for.
At least striving to be more Christlike has positive benefits for everyone.
The priestcraft really didn't give a crap which religion you joined, as long as you could be in one of them, and fight the others.
The pope won't condemn jihadists, because they are the Vatican's proxy army. They always have been, only the chain of command has been occasionally altered. Right now, the chain of command runs through Washington DC, with the CIA as an intermediary. Only a few generations ago, Adolph Hitler was organizing the Vatican proxy armies.
The 501(c)(3)'s are all government controlled, and ultimately still answer to the Vatican.
Figuring out earth's chain of command is an interesting topic, and it has many surprises for the uninitiated.
Life is about choices, in fact, Green Lantern's post was the gods honest truth, as I still use the essence of the serenity prayer to give thought to whether whatever I am faced with presents any real choices. I am currently aware of far more choices than I was just a few years ago.
I also tend to ignore the choices that I have been provided with, and choose my own.
That takes education and imagination, which are rare commodities these days.
Our creator designed us to be self-governing.
Rule yourself, and be free.
That, is what was really intended, and it does not require a religion. It only requires responsibility and ethics.
Just think of how much better off of our planet would be, if missionaries were limited to the Golden Rule.
It's the only rule inherent in nature.
Yeah, that also takes quite a bit of imagination.
Not sure why I’m stepping into the fray, but for some reason, Mr. Fix, I feel compelled to reply to your post #10521. Perhaps the start of a new year has strengthened my resolve? Perhaps the fact that after a recent surgery I look as though I’ve been flogged leads me to think: What harm could a few more arrows do? Regardless, I’m going to put on body armor (including helmet, breastplate, shield and sword) and give a reply made in a spirit of piquing your interest by offering a different perspective.
Mr. Fix wrote: Another interesting correlation, one that I've noticed a couple of years ago. The ones that are promoting the story that our imminent doom is upon us, all base that assertion from biblical texts, and tell us that our only hope, is to pray to some guy that died 2000 years ago.
Another interesting correlation, one that I've noticed a couple of years ago. The ones that are promoting the story that our imminent doom is upon us, all base that assertion from biblical texts, and tell us that our only hope, is to pray to some guy that died 2000 years ago.
Like you, Mr. Fix, I listen to what the doom and gloomers are saying and I agree it seems a blueprint is being followed, but unlike you, I disagree strongly that “the plan” was laid down in antiquity.
The videos and comments I’ve seen posted on the forums representing a Christian viewpoint of “Biblical prophecy” or “end times” have all adhered to a doctrine known as dispensationalism. This is an entire system of biblical interpretation developed in the 1800’s. This doctrine was originally put forth by an Irish/Englishman named John Nelson Darby. He was ordained in the Church of England but became disillusioned with the corruption and joined a movement known as Plymouth Brethren. He brought his system to America after the Civil War. He was dedicated, sincere and a zealot. Some other influential persons associated with dispensationalism include Scofield, Walvoord and Hagee.
While variations and disagreements among adherents to this interpretative methodology exist, there are key components which include an absolute distinction between the nation of Israel and the Church, a Great Tribulation, the notion of a Rapture, an AntiChrist and a Millennium.
In interpreting Scripture, it is my perspective that we must make every effort to place ourselves in the time and context of the original writing in order to understand the intended message of the inspired writer. I believe that most of the Biblical teaching pertaining to eschatology or “end times” is in a genre known as apocalyptic literature. This type of thinking and writing flourished around 200 BC - 100 AD. The Jews were originally exposed to this type of mindset or thought pattern during their exile in Persia and were influenced by the Zoroastrian religion.
It is important to understand that apocalyptic literature is more like poetry written in prose.
This writing style uses images and symbols and colors and numbers (the meanings of which would be commonly understood) to describe magnificent and breathtaking scenes. Think of a giant mural. The meaning is conveyed by the overwhelming impression on the viewer. It is not meant to be a photograph depicting something in a literal sense.
I think the closest thing we have today is the political cartoon.
What I want to emphasize is that while all the events and symbolism in the Book of Revelation (note it is not plural!) in particular seem quite strange to our modern ears, they would have been familiar and readily understood by the original readers and hearers. In other words, there is no secret code. The symbols and images and apocalyptic literary devices used to convey the message would have been understood. In my perspective, to find a code is to import ideas into Scripture. Moreover, this apocalyptic way of thinking is unfamiliar to a Western mindset.
The Book of Revelation was meant to be an encouragement to Christians being persecuted in Asia Minor by the Romans and a reminder that God is in control and He will triumph over evil. Also, because this literary style and the keys to understanding it were lost, Christians for so long have viewed the book as a chronological sequence giving a step by step process for the end of the world, that it seems unthinkable to view it any other way.
Back to the system of biblical interpretation known as dispensational theology. In the early 1900’s, a follower of Darby named Cyrus Scofield expanded on Darby’s system and wrote a study bible in which his notes detailing this belief were published on the same page as the Scripture verses they referenced. Prior to this, writers put forth their ideas/opinions/interpretations in separate books known as commentaries. This bible became known as the Scofield Reference Bible. The rest, as they say, is history. Incidentally, or perhaps not, his publisher was a Zionist Jew.
I don’t purport to know or understand the motivations, but I do watch and listen and sometimes engage in informed speculation. Could it be beneficial to quell dissent until its too late? To have the populace willingly put on their own shackles for enslavement? To have any dramatic decrease in population a la Georgia Guidestones viewed as the “wrath of God?” Perhaps to have a large segment of the world’s population become disillusioned and lose faith if the return of Jesus does not occur? This would seem to go a long way to ushering in a new religion.
At a minimum, anyone daring to disagree with dispensational theology will be labeled a Liberal Christian. This is designed to shut down discussion. It is akin to labeling as racist a person questioning the merits of Affirmative Action, or xenophobic if opposing refugee settlements or homophobic if dissenting on gay marriage.
I daresay many, if not most, Christians are unfamiliar with the term, but would express beliefs and viewpoints consistent with the system. This is because this interpretation has had extremely widespread coverage and other systems have even adopted parts (knowingly or unknowingly). Anyone with a platform on television, radio or even internet, will be putting forth this viewpoint only. Consider it a requirement to make the airwaves and get funding.
At one time, there was plenty disagreement on the finer points among followers of this system of interpretation, but in recent times there seems to be little public disagreement. I can notice the changes just in my lifetime (especially views on timing). The consensus now with respect to timing of events seems to be a pre-tribulation Rapture and a premillennial return of Jesus.
I don’t doubt for a moment that followers of this system are dedicated and sincere in their beliefs. But, unfortunately, sincerity is no guarantee of being right, in my humble opinion. I tread lightly as I understand that dispensationalism not only interprets a few books of the Bible, but the entirety of Scripture, and is a worldview. As you know, ideas challenging a worldview are typically met with a strong emotional response.
Mr. Fix, what I hear you disagreeing with is dispensationalism as well as a literal interpretation of apocalyptic writings found in the Bible. I encourage you to not throw the baby out with the bathwater, and instead explore another viewpoint. Also, don’t use a study bible as the notes are certain to put forth ideas and comments consistent with dispensational theology. Just some food for thought.
Since I opened this can of worms, here are a few more thoughts to consider.
Zionism is a political movement. Can you see how this system of biblical interpretation known as dispensationalism fits well with the goals of Zionism? Essentially, a large portion of those identifying as Christians have not only financed (including using US taxpayer money) the Zionist plan, but have also remained silent in the erosion of freedom and liberties believing these things must happen before the Second Coming of Jesus (Some may even believe they are facilitating the return of Jesus.)
With respect to the Jews, not all favored the creation of the modern state of Israel. In fact, there was tremendous opposition among Jews and some even stopped using the Star of David believing it to be “defiled” by the Zionists.
With respect to the Holocaust, have you ever wondered whether or not atrocities impacted some groups of Jews more than others? I have read that as high as 80% of those Jews opposing the formation of the nation of Israel were killed in the Holocaust.
After a quick internet search, here are two links that will perhaps get you started on connecting a few more dots…. I think you will find that dispensationalism fits well with the goals of Zionism.
In fact I think it would be difficult to overstate the impact dispensational theology and the Scofield Bible have had on modern Christianity as well as its connections with Zionism.
Though nothing was mentioned during the election season of Trump’s connection to Chabad branch of Judaism, I think it will prove to be meaningful. Consider the possibility that Chabad Jews and certain Christians have aligned goals.
That is a good word and could be expanded. Many of the current problems within the preaching/teaching/bible colleges etc., could be healed "if" there was a total return to the Church era after Pentecost. jmo Jim
name of the book that pic came from? Looks interesting!
Magpie wrote: name of the book that pic came from? Looks interesting!
I'm not a stoic but came across the pic too and looked up the book.
Good stuff Silver Belle!
The end is nigh meme happens regularly around turns of the centuries and milleniums. An apocalyptic panic occurred before the 1st millennium. A Y1k of it's own. The church encouraged millennial fears deliberately so that people would give their material possessions to the church in hopes of salvation,
There is however, a cyclical balancing of past imbalances.
And I concur with alot that you said. There are massive protests in New YOrk that never make the news WEEKLY. Very religious Jews and Palestians all saying that there is NOTHING in the Jewish sacred religious literature that supports a Zionist state.
The whole Zionist thing is nothing more than a Mexican stand-off between Christians, Jews, and Muslims each asserting some divine priority over desert.
I have an easy solution. Whose ever God can first turn the desert into green fertile pastures with Mango tree's as far as the eye can see wins!! If the Mango's are genetically modified, it doesn't' count.
Thank you for the post, it was a delightful read.
There is a lot to consider there, and I have never heard of "dispensational theology". Somehow, that probably got overlooked in the 12 years of Catholic school, and several years with the Jehovah's Witnesses. Somehow, I'm not surprised.
If I am at odds with dispensational theology, that doesn't surprise me either. I'm gathering from your synopsis, that it is essentially the fine art of interpreting a book presumed to be the word of God.
I was just under the assumption that biblical interpretation has been a cottage industry for the past several thousand years.
What the heck, it's probably one of the most profitable businesses in human history.
It's all based on what I consider an incorrect assumption, and that is the divine origins of the book.
I am unabashedly making no such presumptions. As far as presenting evidence to my assertion that it is a plan that was laid down in antiquity, give it some time, since I am sure you are interested in evidence.
A lot of my assertions stray far from the mainstream, but at least for the most part, my assumptions are evidence based, even if I have to on occasion, go looking for the supporting evidence to back up my assumptions.
Yeah, I'll admit I do that, sometimes, I connect my own dots, and then do enough research until I can at least verify to myself that my assumptions are supported by the evidence.
You've probably read some of my assumptions concerning Yahweh over the past couple of weeks, paying particular attention to the reasons I draw certain conclusions.
Assigning a personality type to Yahweh, is only a start. Once you size up the character, it's not all of that much a leap of faith to see how certain teachings would play out overtime. Spending so much time learning how the Occult Sciences pertaining to human persuasion work, combined with a working knowledge of how a morfic field, or mass consciousness effects reality, the overall teachings of the Old Testament, combined with the book of Revelations, will in effect become a self fulfilling prophecy.
When you view the characters involved in the fulfillment of certain prophecies, they always involve blood lines that have been well acquainted to these occult teachings going back into extreme antiquity. My view that they have been using prophecy as a script to be followed is just a combination of the cast of characters involved, knowing the goal is complete human domination, and an overwhelming correlation between what the book says, and what these pieces of human debris do.
After the scumbags have done their dirty deeds, some church official always screams "prophecy has been fulfilled".
I don't believe in coincidence, and I don't believe it's a divine plan either. I think it's the lowest form of human debris ever conceived of implementing the most malevolent plan to ever transpire in human history.
Even if I could find a quote from a book to back up that assertion, you wouldn't give it any more validity then the statement I just made.
By becoming well acquainted with the works of Jordan Maxwell, David Ike, Mark Passio, Alan Watts, Michael Tsarion for a brief overview, and virtually any interpretation of Zachariah Stitchens, the original priestcraft that invented these teachings, had a very obvious agenda, put it to paper, and promoted it as "the word of God".
I'm not well-versed in every denomination of Christianity, for example, I don't know the difference between a Baptist, an Episcopalian, an Anglican, an Eastern Orthodox, a Presbyterian, or any of the other current flavors that Christianity comes in.
I have studied the Gnostics to the best of my ability, to determine why they were such a threat to the Vatican.
The answer is, they don't use the same book. The rest of them do. Apparently, the Vatican doesn't give a crap what flavor Christianity you fall under, as long as you're using their book. This by itself makes it highly suspect.
Understanding the nature of the cast of characters that organized, and attended the counsel of Nicaea in 325 A.D., is also a big clue.
By exploring the differences in belief systems, for example, the notion that God is within all of us, which is blatantly heretical in the eyes of the church, the scale of the lie that has been spread for thousands of years becomes apparent.
I suppose, If you study Albert Pike, a 33° Mason, and dark occultists, who foretold all three world wars in the 1800s,
the way it is supposed to all unfold, is truly biblical. Some people call it "the agenda". It is also the illuminati's agenda 21.
Regardless, as they implement their demonic agenda, they are obviously following a script, exactly as written.
This isn't a recent development either, it goes all the way back to the beginning. If the Bible foretold it, you can bet your bottom dollar that there was some piece of shit willing to implement it.
When you fully understand that Christianity, Judaism, and islam were all invented by the same slimeballs, to make sure that all warring factions would be in place for their agenda, a picture starts to emerge. It's a plan, put together like a grand Chessmaster, thinking many moves ahead. Most people are taught that it is a divine plan, put in place by God.
I disagree, God had nothing to do with it. Besides, by grasping a working knowledge of the universal consciousness that permeates all of reality, such a silly notion as a divine plan isn't even possible. That's not how it works. Not at all.
No, this plan has been presented to humanity by the greatest evil ever known, to implement the most malevolent agenda possible. It's a recipe for nonstop war, pain, anguish, and separation from your own soul. I must admit, it's been reasonably successful so far.
A lot of the assertions that I make are simply the result of connecting the dots. I'm working with a very broad spectrum of information, going back to the days of Atlantis, incorporating the Samarian texts, and figuring out the character of the greats like Abraham, Solomon, Moses, and Noah.
As much as I love Jesus, I can easily conclude he has nothing to do with the Bible, or the church.
If you take the time to read the Gospel of Thomas, and understand its origins, you will know what the Bible is trying to hide.
That's a lot of information to correlate, and I am also assuming that secret societies that were formed in antiquity, and had full knowledge of advanced civilizations even further back in time.
Interstellar travel was already known to mankind long before the Bible was written. It is also safe to assume that they knew what was possible, but probably because of war, or natural disaster, lost the ability to maintain a technological advantage over everyone. They were simply going to have to write their agenda down in a book, and patiently wait for a devastated planet to rebuild, and for mankind to reinvent what they already knew was possible, to carry out the next phase of their plan.
Don't worry, the plan will not unfold as anticipated in the book. They are already way off script.
Better stated, World War III has been canceled due to lack of interest.
It's entirely possible that humanity is outgrowing its slave masters.
I know I have.
Like you, I'll just have to see what comes next.
It interests me.
I did not have a chance to read "some more ramblings" before I posted my reply to you.
You've nailed it on Zionism, and yes, I already knew that a large majority of those killed in World War II were opposed to Zionism.
I had already concluded that the Vatican's henchmen, the Nazis, simply annihilated all the opposition to their agenda.
It's what they do, and looking back over history, it is what they have always done.
I do know that most of the protestant religions consider the Catholic Church to be the home of the antichrist.
I've always wondered why they still use the book compiled by the Vatican.
This seems to be an obvious cognitive disconnect to me.
I just went to YouTube, to find myself a decent bedtime story, and this came up:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0izYN4bi-Pc
I'm wondering if it qualifies as dispensationalism...
he ain't leavin' ~!??
As long as youse guyz are blowing-off some religulous steam (or farts, which is it?), I'll add my (surrogate) thoughts for the Nu Yeerz;
extra hat tips if I could
You will enjoy
Silver66 Rage against the dying of the light
BTW- Happy New Year Fix, and I would have wished you a Merry Christmas as well but I know that ‘pagan’ holiday holds particular interest or significance for you, but Merry Christmas anyway. Hope you had a good one.
What can I say, sorry, been busy in the real world, work has been hectic and we are in another growth spurt, hiring people, and expanding, etc, etc, like Dave Chapple says……. It’s Trumps America now Boy. Along with having all the family in town, it has been hard to get here to TFMR.
Hope that works out for all of us.
As Jeremiah Jr. would say: "Watch Israel, and prepare for God's wrath".
Misquoting me again I see……..
I do always say watch Israel …….but I dare you to find the second half of your misguided comment anywhere in any of my posts. Israel is the Lord’s time clock for how much time you have left to post here ate TFMR. I see BHO and we sold them out last week again. Trump may be a modern Cyrus. (you will have to research that – no time to educate you here tonight). Time will tell.
“A few weeks ago, I did challenge Jeremiah Jr. to a discussion on Zionism, and it's one that I was thoroughly looking forward to mopping the floor with him on.”
OK Fix, I did listen to some of Icke’s video and was stopped by the Lord.
He told me to ”Let the dead bury their dead”…. “You follow me”…………So I stopped.
I know that will go over your head but some may understand
I would love to discuss that new age shamans misguided, esoteric worldly views on the topic of Zionism, but I already know what they are, I will finished those two gems again before I comment further. I will give him the benefit of the doubt in case he has some new shtick to offer.
Then you can mop away.
Must warn you I leave for Vacation again Friday with a great group of real people. Will have internet accesses but will try to report back before then.
Jim – How is Linda doing, hope she is well.
I went and visited a friend that had colorectal cancer today that had everything removed. Made me think about all those with real problems, like what you and Linda are dealing with, and really are unconcerned about geo-political STUFF we talk about here.
" Very religious Jews and Palestians all saying that there is NOTHING in the Jewish sacred religious literature that supports a Zionist state."
Seriously GL, Have you guys even read let alone studied the OT??
I am not talking about some ones hyperlinks here, or a youtube videos, have either one of of you ever read the OT???? even the New.???
Come on over to Zionism so we don't clutter up DOT's.
Bring the Fix. Won't have much time this week but will try.
"And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it" Zach 12:3.
Care to look at the UN vote from last week???
The US abstained, why does everyone want to divide Israel???. After all, why is that little piece of land given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as an eternal possession, so significant??? And please, don't go British Israel or white supremacist on me.
Ever consider you are hearing/listening to the wrong voice on this issue?????
Linda is working on her health issues every day. We are studying the effects of B-17, B-15 and zinc and reading the multitude of testimonies of cancer cures from them. We are also talking to some who are currently being poisioned and burned by their doctors and in time they will suffer much.
Linda is tough and went skiing at White Pass last week. Good to see you here. Jim
A great choice Silver66!
The most dangerous man since Jesus Christ, or similar, Osho was once called ......
Unwelcome by establishment authorities for some strange reason in the US, with flights barred from landing, disembarking, or public meetings if they did in much of Europe, Ireland, and other lands of open discourse, freedom of speech, and democracy.
The propaganda hit jobs can be viewed with hindsight too. The crimes by people proximate to his US project to contaminate by association are there. We can evaluate the probability of embedded agent provocateur actions using the clarity provided to us by looking back with hindsight, and our "unauthorized education" courtesy of peer-to-peer internet information exchange. And those thorny problems his supporters experienced just from being so clumsy in somehow upsetting the locals so much, we can compare those with the world today too.
Happy New Year and Merry Christmas!
I know your point of view and understand it completely! I've read the books you've mention and our point of views differ. We won't resolve anything.
I pointed out that many hassidic Jews and Palestinians regularly fill the streets to protest your interpretation of the scriptures. This includes their Rabbi's.
I'd invite you to come and debate them. And you'll find many of America's libertarians like Ron Paul, Richard Maybury, probably Doug Casey and similar are all like me, misguided but don't see any any reason why the two groups should be killing each other.
Sure! Why not listen to him? OSHO is also known as The Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, his people wanted complete control over the Antelope Oregon area so his #1 Sheila directed the biological contamination of the salad in the local fast food restaurant on election day and food poisoned the locals. You gave up all your worldly goods to join at his compound so he could buy Jaguars and race around the compound. They had armed guards that allowed you to enter the compound but it was VERY hard to leave. Free sex for all!! And once you were found to be HIV positive, you were then relegated to only other HIV positive people. There was an awful lot of criminality occurring "in the name of good".
He is an expert at brain washing folks into doing things they never normally would have...
Next we will have a post on Jim Jones as a savior...geez folks, wake up!