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Ancient Money, Ancient

Ancient Money, 

I acknowledge your question brings up some interesting questions. Most of all, how do we know reality is what we are told?

Well, that's my thesis on just about every topic raised here. It's Central to what we try to do here. It's why I told fix, I wanted to share the idea of postualates. Everything that was, that is, and will be is the result of some person postulating it's true. Everything that was, that is, and will be is the result of some person postulating it's true. Don't care if it's alternative media or MSM, or history or the bible. But when I have a chance. It's alot of writing on a topic which people probably interested yet it's important. People asserting anything has no bearing on what is. 

There probably is an easier way to do this just as was pointed out that there was an easier way to debunk the flat earth

theory as the heliocentric model of the earth has been around in mystery schools for yonks.

I found papers that research why those buildings are standing discussing their steel internal structure, pressure being released

afer the blowout of the windows. He calls it ground zero but that those buildings are across form ground zero but

as abguy pointed out the bomb was denoated in the air. So ground zero would be defined as the point on earth

in which the shockwave occurred, not the area in which it was denoated. 


Declassified paper on speculation of the damage a bomb would cause and the height it needed to be deonated to cause
best damage. They didn't know. Seems like they were taking educated guesses. 

https://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/1944-Penney-Height-of-Burst-of-the-Gadget.pdf

Seems the guy is right that an atomic bomb explosion doesn't cause dirty smoke, but reading the science of mushroom clouds, 

The explosion creates the force necessary to create a cloud, three kinds of fallout, and an upward draft that would suck

up debris. See all articles on Mushroom clouds. 

is ball of burning hot gases is accelerated outwardly in all directions. Since the burning ball of accelerated gases is hotter, and therefore less dense, than the surrounding air, it will begin to rise- in the case of nuclear explosions, extremely rapidly. This ultimately forms the mushroom cap.

Energy from a nuclear explosive is initially released in several forms of penetrating radiation. When there is a surrounding material such as air, rock, or water, this radiation interacts with and rapidly heats it to an equilibrium temperature (i.e. so that the matter is at the same temperature as the atomic bomb's matter). This causes vaporization of surrounding material resulting in its rapid expansion. Kinetic energy created by this expansion contributes to the formation of a shockwave. When a nuclear detonation occurs in air near sea level, much of the released energy interacts with the atmosphere and creates a shockwave which expands spherically from the hypocenter. Intense thermal radiation at the hypocenter forms a nuclear fireball and if the burst is low enough, it is often associated with a mushroom cloud. In a burst at high altitude, where the air density is low, more energy is released as ionizing gamma radiation and x-rays than an atmosphere-displacing shockwave.


As the ball rises, it will leave behind air that is heated, creating a chimney-like effect that draws in any smoke and gases on the outer edge of the chimney- convection in action! Visually, this forms the stipe (stalk) of the mushroom.

The perception that the mushroom cap is curling down and around the stipe is primarily a result of the differences in temperature at the center of the cap and its outside. The center is hotter and therefore will rise faster, leaving the slower outer edges to be caught up in the stipe convection’s awesome attributes.

The guy acknowledges fission exists and acknowledges it can be done in nuclear power plant but can't be done in the bomb because atoms can't be compressed. That means I would have to spend a couple hours researching the denotation techniques of a nuclear bomb. Volunteers? LOL

The daily bell did an interview with him and he acknowledges this. 
Apparantly, 
that's the case.

How Plants Survived Chernobyl. 10 times or more powerful? Constant leak. 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2009/05/how-plants-survived-chernobyl Conclusion: Despite the devastation, local flora flourishes. 

The Epics

The Mahabharata and Ramayana are the national epics of India. They are probably the longest poems in any language. The Mahabharata, attributed to the sage Vyasa, was written down from 540 to 300 B.C. The Mahabharata tells the legends of the Bharatas, a Vedic Aryan group. The Ramayana, attributed to the poet Valmiki, was written down during the first century A.D., although it is based on oral traditions that go back six or seven centuries earlier. The Ramayana is a moving love story with moral and spiritual themes that has deep appeal in India to this day.

This is from the ancient Hindu text the Mahabharata.

“Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana [fast aircraft],
hurled a single projectile [rocket]
charged with the power of the Universe [nuclear device].

An incandescent column of smoke and flame,
as bright as ten thousand suns,
rose with all its splendour.

It was an unknown weapon,
an iron thunderbolt,
a gigantic messenger of death,
which reduced to ashes
the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

The corpses were so burned
as to be unrecognizable.

Hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
and the birds turned white.

…After a few hours
all foodstuffs were infected…
…to escape from this fire
the soldiers threw themselves in streams
to wash themselves and their equipment.”

 A second passage.

“Dense arrows of flame,
like a great shower,
issued forth upon creation,
encompassing the enemy.
A thick gloom swiftly settled upon the Pandava hosts.
All points of the compass were lost in darkness.
Fierce wind began to blow
Clouds roared upward,
showering dust and gravel.

Birds croaked madly…
the very elements seemed disturbed.
The sun seemed to waver in the heavens
The earth shook,
scorched by the terrible violent heat of this weapon.

Elephants burst into flame
and ran to and fro in a frenzy…
over a vast area,
other animals crumpled to the ground and died.
From all points of the compass
the arrows of flame rained continuously and fiercely.” — The Mahabharata

From the Ramayana

 “(It was a weapon) so powerful
that it could destroy the earth in an instant–
A great soaring sound in smoke and flames–
And on it sits death…” . — The Ramayana

Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 8:41am
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The ENTIRE PROPOSITION behind

The ENTIRE PROPOSITION behind NEURO LINGUISTIC PROGRAMMING, ANY TYPE OF MIND INFILITRATION, or using the technology for clinical benefits is this:

YOU must first Get rapport with you audience. That is done Verbally or other techniques in a clinical situation. You first gain agreement. You do this by repeating what they think and then you LEAD then into new territory.

This is the entire TRICk. Nothing More.

It can be used on you. 

A disagreeable person, such as myself, does not constitute a person who is trying to persuade you.

Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 9:07am (Reply to #8293)
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Atass

I am not trying for anything.

Ad hominem, followed by whitewash followed by mea non culpa.

Excellent.

So how did the Google image make its way onto your pointer exactly? You didn't t say.

I guess the sticky bit was misdirected onto the screen somehow (totally independent of you of course)

If you don't normally publish any live point of origin links, how exactly would you direct us to verify your posting, hun bun?

And NO I don't want any links to your porn collection.

Thanks

Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 9:34am
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RE: Reich Secret Weapons

I have always kept Farrell at arms length -- for a variety of reasons. But after reading the reviews on Amazon, I just might be tempted..........................68% gave positive reviews. The negative reviews seemed to have nothing to offer but knee-jerk reactions to having their set beliefs sorta muddled. I've been sitting on this Amazon gift card for quite a while, so.........................what to do, what to do.................................

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abguy4 wrote:I have always

abguy4 wrote:

I have always kept Farrell at arms length -- for a variety of reasons. But after reading the reviews on Amazon, I just might be tempted..........................68% gave positive reviews. The negative reviews seemed to have nothing to offer but knee-jerk reactions to having their set beliefs sorta muddled. I've been sitting on this Amazon gift card for quite a while, so.........................what to do, what to do.................................

I obviously like Joseph for alot of reasons. He seems like a nice man and a man of high ethics. You can tell by the way he deals with members in his forum. He doesn't allow BS, but does allow negative comments about himself including he is a disinformation agent. He could remove them but he hasn't recently. What I like most is that he makes it crystal clear when he is speculating and when he knows something. That's rare He collects 1000 of factoids and documents (which might not be fact) and he pieces it together. You are at liberty to connect the information in any way you want. 

Unfortunately, he pumps out books. Sometimes in a matter of weeks. And alot of books have poor editing, and are difficult to get through. That doesn't make the information bad, it makes reading painful sometimes. If you can over look those things, alot of people can't, than maybe it's worth it to you. His book Breakaway Civilizations is about one of the most difficult reads in any category I've tried to attempt. 

 But if that stuff annoys you, save your certificate then hunt down a book at bookstore or a library and leaf through it. Or look for an online version which I never encourage. Any good book needs to be in my bookshelf for repeated readings and I can't sit in front of a screen reading small print for hours.

Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 10:13am (Reply to #8316)
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Good morning Green Lantern,

I read your reply on Trump,

And I would agree that he gets a lot of stories right, ... Almost.

I think it comes back down to Joseph Farrell's Analysis of 9/11.

I think it was great work, and explains a lot, especially if you put it in the context of everything that's happened since World War II to the present day.

For example, if you use the premise that the Nazis won World War II, and infiltrated the US government immediately afterwards, you've got a fairly decent starting point.

Joseph Farrell didn't exactly name the participants in his multiple level of conspiracy theory concerning 9/11,

But I think it could be easily summed up as a divorce between the political establishment, and the deep state.

That brings us to Trump.

All of his solutions are totalitarian in nature, and it makes sense to me that he has some serious deep state backing.

It does get muddy when you are trying figure out exactly who's on which side, particularly when foreign governments are involved.

At least theoretically, the deep state could be just as globalist as the political elite, but considers them dead weight.

From a deep state perspective, the political establishment would clearly fit into the category of "useless eaters".

In a Roger Stone interview, he stated that Donald Trump is well versed on what we would consider "conspiracy theory",

And I suspect he's rolling them out systematically to destroy the political establishment.

I can only guess at his motives, or whether he is unintentionally being used by the deep state, or is it part of it.

Right now, their agenda is perfectly aligned.

Your analysis of exactly what Trump does not say, is very telling.

I've been saying since the beginning, that Trump is far more establishment then anyone is letting on.

Personally, I think we are being set up for a scenario that creates the illusion that the globalists have been defeated, when in reality, they leave themselves firmly in charge of everything.

Just the fact that Trump has not gone after the banksters, or the Zionists, points to some of his significant alliances.

So who is using who?

Trumps willingness to advocate for a stronger military, "Law and order", by arming the crap out of a bunch of scumbag cops, tells me that he is a power-hungry warlord.

Others say that he is a patriot. Are they mutually exclusive? Maybe not.

One man can,t change anything, but one man aligned with the banks, military industrial complex, and "law enforcement", has the power to be the ultimate tyrant.

There are quite a few parallels to Hitler. Wouldn't an aspiring dictator want to undermine the credibility of the entire established government? I think that is exactly what we are seeing.

Which brings us back to the outcome of World War II.

I guess that's enough circular thinking for one morning,

I've got to get back to work, and it's going to feel like it's over a hundred degrees today.

Stay cool.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 10:27am (Reply to #8324)
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@ abguy4

Joseph Farrell is definitely worth looking into, but you don't necessarily have to agree with everything he says.

For example, I think that are some holes in his ancient history, and gives credit to aliens, where I think it would be better placed on the ancients.

That creates a few worthwhile distinctions in our current day scenario, as he places a lot of power "off planet", when personally, I think it would be better placed subterranean.

But overall, I would consider him a deep thinker, and reasonably well-informed.

His work on the Nazis, the deep state, and the secret space program is excellent.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 11:08am
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Timeline signs?

There seems to be many views of the coming troubles and tribulations which are facing the entire world. If we travel back throughout history, there has always been those who lost much sleep over the current and coming events. My grandparents felt the same back in 1913 as they escaped out of the Ukraine and came to America. If they were alive today, they may have wanted to return to their old family farm.

There are many true signs of the coming implosion of the nations:

When we see gold rising by $200 per day and never dropping,when we see the big bags of pinto beans on the Costco shelves are empty and never refilled, when we see that all the P.M. dealers no longer advertise their metals for sale, and when we see the two witnesses of Revelations 11, walking the streets of Jerusalem as the news agencies cover their daily trek. jmo Jim

NW VIEW >>>1 Cor. 1:18
Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 6:28pm
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Silvery

In your last post you said in reference to myself - "And NO I don't want any links to your porn collection." surprise

Would you be kind enough to explain how you came to believe I have a porn collection ?

In high tide fish eat the ants, in low tide ants eat the fish. - Thai proverb
Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 7:32pm
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Dementia ?

Hillary Clinton goes blank, forgets what she's talking about
In high tide fish eat the ants, in low tide ants eat the fish. - Thai proverb
Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 7:42pm
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Holy Hot

I just put the air conditioner in my bedroom window for the first time in over two years. I am thinking it is probably global warming but now I am scared that with the windows closed and that a/c running, I won't hear the terrorists when they come to kill me because they hate my freedom.

Also, because of the fan running constantly, I have to turn the news up extra loud so I can hear the latest on Hillary the whore. I am still on the fence.

There is always a little give and take to life's little pleasures. But, it is the price I am willing to pay for my freedom. Only slaves should ever sweat.

Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 8:42pm
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More on the dirty whore

The Bullshittery of the DNC
Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 9:24pm
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Well this is interesting

The 1947 Roswell Crash Theory You've Probably Never Heard

I wonder what Farrell would have to say about this.

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ag1969 wrote:

ag1969 wrote:
The 1947 Roswell Crash Theory You've Probably Never Heard

I wonder what Farrell would have to say about this.

Yup, he'd like it. Saucers and psyops and Roswell and third Reich.

It's all about the Nazi's even more than the ET's. 

The Truth Is Out There!

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ag1969 wrote:I just put the

ag1969 wrote:

I just put the air conditioner in my bedroom window for the first time in over two years. I am thinking it is probably global warming but now I am scared that with the windows closed and that a/c running, I won't hear the terrorists when they come to kill me because they hate my freedom.

Also, because of the fan running constantly, I have to turn the news up extra loud so I can hear the latest on Hillary the whore. I am still on the fence.

There is always a little give and take to life's little pleasures. But, it is the price I am willing to pay for my freedom. Only slaves should ever sweat.

My brother just came back from Miami on business. It's probably just as hot up here but he's like WHY??? WTF Possess humans to live under those conditios in the summer. Humans were made with a very narrow range of adability to temperature. I think there is more UFO and weird shit that happens in extreme heat.

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A little bit of weekend reading

I spent most of the day pretending that was an electrician, which was nice indoor work, and a good way to deal with the heat wave.

My customer, who is a book wholesaler, has a fantastic inventory at his house, and spends most of his time thinking about the very things we discuss here.

Our discussion started with what I thought of Trump, and snowballed into a deeply esoteric discussion.

Suddenly, he got up and said "I've got something for you."

He came back after a few minutes with a book, and told me that he had been saving it for me, because he knew I would be interested in it.

I am a couple of chapters into it, and I will be going through the experiments one by one.

My life has already shown me an abundance of evidence that thoughts create reality, but proof using a scientific method?

My own daughter asked me for proof, and how this was different from faith. I didn't have a very good answer, only experience.

As an aspiring scientist, I think I can reframe my answer to meet her scientific requirements that define proof.

Step by step.

Besides, I can always use the practice.

Sweet dreams, and have a nice weekend. angel

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
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Another hacker, more DNC

Another hacker, more DNC leaks.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hacker-reveals-personal-information-for-alm...

I know you wanted Hillary taken down. But they did the next best thing, posted congressman's phone numbers and email's. How great is that?

I do believe somebody is sending a message.

Just another day in the United Saddists of Ameria. 

Fri, Aug 12, 2016 - 11:45pm
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The Roswell crash video...

Nice find AG,

I never did buy the alien crap. wink

Works for me. yes

"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
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Proof? Easy :)

Hey Mr Fix...

As someone who has been looking into this stuff for a long time now, the absolute best place to go for scientific proof for psi etc is Dean Radin. I have his book "Entangled Minds" and something like the last 10% of the book is pure references, everything from Science and Nature downwards. Looks at different psi capacities individually, compiles research for each, does meta-analysis on the research. He is simply the best, and is also involved in the Princeton Eggs project - major kudos there. Rupert Sheldrake is another good source, as former head of biology at Cambridge University (cant get much more prestigious than that!) he used to run simple telepathy tests with his classes. His work in "The Science Delusion" is absolutely priceless as well, so so important.

For myself, I have seen physical reality literally shaped by consciousness in jaw dropping ways, and I've done my own little statistic tests for future predictive ability during my own "peak" times, coming out with 1:millions in terms of probability of guessing by chance. However I found it was very dependent on the state of my mind/energy body etc at the time, i.e. as I came down from my err peak energetic fitness my accuracy rate similarly slipped back down to chance. Brief testing over the period of a week however, and it satisfied my own curiosity so I left it there. Am sure you'll have success if you stick with it.

Of course, probably doesnt need saying, but dont bother with the "skeptics" and fundamentalist atheists though. They are as mired in their own form of faith as the most frothy-mouthed of fanatics - which, unfortunately, is what many of them are! I learned a long time ago, and from a hard line atheist friend, that for the most part, people believe what they want to believe, not what the evidence points to. This is the nature of being human I think, and its damn hard for any of us to step out of it. At the end of the day, we can only respect each persons decisions about how they want to identify themselves, which sub-culture they want to be a part of, and leave it at that. However, that said I am still strongly of the opinion that all individual belief systems should be build on the solid foundations of personal experience - recommend reading Robert Bruces" Catch Basket Concept" for further details. This should explain the difference between proof and faith well enough, but from a different angle. And if all someone is left with is "I dont know" - that is, I think, a wonderful place to start.

Good luck!

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Great stuff as usual! Ever so

Great stuff as usual! Ever so glad I found DOTS!

cheers to all,

SF1956