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Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 12:57am
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Just because I'm in the mood, a different kind of bedtime story

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Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 1:55am (Reply to #7917)
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Mr Gix, I hope you read over what you just wrote

You make my case beautifully. Of the 2.1 million military members you listed what, 400 that stood up and all are arrested/discredited now. That is .02%. Yes, the rest will follow orders, not to kill innocent civilians, but to disable/kill terrorists (that happen to be Joe Average that disagrees with the policies/regulations/leadership of today). Believable lies will be told and are being told and innocents will be, and are being killed, for political convenience. Just ask your military microwave operators. You assume they would know and understand what they are doing, they won't. It's just a mission, and folks are trained to follow orders, and the vast majority will. They will believe propaganda lies (it's for National Security or you are killing infiltrators, or you are killing spies, pedophiles, or any other completely fabricated lie) that have worked for eons overseas and now similar propaganda techniques will be used at home to the great delight and benefit of the global elite. And it is right now, you just don't see it because it isn't happening to your neighbors, yet. But it is happening, innocents are being killed..for convenience.

I stated the military answers to the global elite, so does Obama. We have an awful lot of countries that can testify to that. How many countries in Africa are we currently bombing?

All I am doing is pointing out your white horse could easily be your executioner. But hey, put your eggs where you may. I just hope folks don't blindly assume the military is on their side and will come to their rescue and "do the right thing". They probably won't even know they are doing the wrong thing until well after the fact. Good luck.

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Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 3:14am (Reply to #7910)
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Ooh, The Fix Is In...

Mr. Fix wrote:

Yes, Sierra Skier can always speak for himself, but I've already offered a considerable amount of supporting evidence to the original post...

Fix,

1) You are anything but a competent fact witness on the subject matter.

2) All of the asinine assertions, cockamamie conjecture and third hand theories do not even amount to a gnat's a** of “evidence

Both, the Dinar revaluation & NESARA are 100% Scams & FRAUD (ie Cockroach SH*T)

Ergo, keep it the hell off of TF's website

End of discussion.

Cheers,

S. Rex

Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 7:13am
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again with the self appointed police?

frustrated crisis actor?

Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 8:01am (Reply to #7920)
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Mr. Fix wrote:What's listed

Mr. Fix wrote:

What's listed in print form, from "authoritative sources", doesn't hold much credence with me, and stories about Obama and Putin working together on anything, are deeply suspect at this point.

Two people agreeing on something doesn't mean it's a result of a corroborative relationship. 

Put the gun down and leave the girl, and I'll let you go without incident. Type of thing.

And certainly Putin and Obama talked about something on Apri 18th 

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-pm-responds-to-obama-putin-over-syrian-border-remarks.aspx?PageID=238&NID=98004&NewsCatID=510

And they talked after the Turkish Russian jet incident and in Paris during the climate change summit. REmember all those pictures posted on Turdville of Putin making funny faces with Obama. There wasn't much else posted about what they might have been talking about.

Cooperation/Ultimatums both can result on an agreed upon action. If Voltaire would have published that article after the coup, it could more easily be refuted. But they had some source of information prior because who else called it? 

Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 8:40am
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Putin is going to reveal who

Putin is going to reveal who really was behind 9-11

Putin is going to let the world hear the Hillary Clinton tapes. He denies even supporting any candidate and involving himself in our election process in any way. 

Putin tattles on US and ISIS. Saying he has the pay check stubs.

Putin likes to threaten the US by saying it's going to reveal our secrets.

All of a sudden Putin has nothing to say in the way of the United States on the Turkey coup. Cat got his tongue. But all of a sudden he is going to best buddies with Erdogan, a leader of an Islamic government. Don't worry about the ole trying to shoot our planes down. Let's let by gones be bygones. If gunboat diplomacy has no boats, than what is it called? 

If you consider Putins world strategy which might come from his worship, idolization and study of of Tzars like Alexander 1, you might find where Putin's playbook is coming from.

Which also might be the reason for the Putin Phenomena in the United States. A result of not just taking the opposite stance of the MSM, putin is our new world cold war enemy. But he is articulating a different global vision than Washington. People like that sort of thing. 

What bothers me about America's new hero is not what is said but all the things that go left unsaid. It wouldn't be the first time that we as a collective have gotten caught up in a massive mouse trap with Washington and Moscow being the ones laying out the cheese.

A brief history refesher to Mr. Putin, because he obviously doesn't remember, The Nazi-Russian pact was a VERY VERY BAD THING. Hmmm, genocide and even MASSIVE causalities for the Russians. Maybe 1/2 the war causalities were Russian. Bad bad pact Mr. Putin. Some of those Nazi alliances are under the surface. .

https://www.salon.com/2014/11/08/putin_soviet_pact_with_hitler_that_helped_create_death_camps_in_poland_wasnt_so_bad_partner/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 8:41am
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Fix

Here is Judge Anna's take:

Rumor that U.S. and NATO to Attack Russia

From Anna Von Reitz

Let nobody be fooled again. 

The ONLY reason the U.S. and NATO would attack Russia would be that Putin wanted them to do so. And it would be a puny, ineffectual attack in the nature of another False Flag to give Putin and/or NATO an excuse to invade us under the guise of "peacekeeping". 

The Russians have developed some new scalar / gravitational weapons that they think give them superiority. In fact we have all the same weapons and more widely deployed but Obummer is preventing us from using them because he is a Communist and has always been a Communist and the Joint Chiefs are working for European banking interests that want to come in here and seize everything. Putin wants Alaska and seaports on our West Coast. So does China.

They have been staging for invasion for three years now using Free Trade Zones in the U.S. 

But as always they have to come up with a story line..... Big Bad NATO attacked Russia at Russia's behest, so that Russia has an excuse to invade us and split the pie with all the other usual culprits. 

Just more excuses and LIES. 

Don't believe a word of it.


And if any such thing does happen I am counting on enough Americans will have the brains they were born with and take out Obummer, DC, Rome, and the Inner City of London and the United Nations City State as recompense.

https://www.paulstramer.net/2016/07/rumor-that-us-and-nato-to-attack-rus...

Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 8:47am
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GL you never cease to amaze.

Lovely discussion here in the trenches~!

I know memories are fleeting these daze, but please let's not forget that the Neo-Con's attempts at nuking the US, as a false-flag event, has a sorted and well documented history. Recall the Chain-ee & Company's major attempt, when they stole a B52 with six active nuke cruise missiles, in Sept 2007. By all descriptions they were gonna nuke six major midwest cities, including Chicago. ALL the details were on-line at one point, and as I recall some sixty officers were released, and the investigations then went behind closed doors. This article is a white wash that attests it was all a mistake. They sorta leave out details as to how it was intercepted and forced down, etc. I say; If you wanna know what the next two terms of the Chain-ee administration would have looked like, you are in luck. Just look at the last eight years. I'll admit, it's hard most daze, to accept the level at which these Neo's are playing the game. Everyone has been saying since 911, that the next FF has to be on the nuclear (or Alien ET invasion) level.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/20427730/ns/us_news-military/t/air-force-offi...

And as long as we're flinging-out our beliefs I'll add this to the foray. I am certain that the cia gave public notice in 1963 that the president position was too important to leave to the indiscretion of the populace. Certainly, starting with GHWB - former cia Director - and every puppet since, has been a cia operative. Open yur eyes and look objectively at the evidence of what has transpired, here and internationally. The Nazi's won WWII.

Richard Hoagland ~!!! OMG. GL you never cease to amaze.

Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 9:01am
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The Nazi's Won WW2 Or as

The Nazi's Won WW2

Or as Hoagland and maybe Farrell say, it never ended. The objectives still on the table even if it's not troops in the trenches.

Not sure if your amazement is a dislike or like sort of amazement of Hoagland. 

I don't recall the incident you relate. Will do my research. 

Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 9:54am
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The Nazis won World War II, and other stuff...

Good morning guys,

I see you've all been deep in thought while I was asleep.

I do like the article posted by AG 1969, since so much of the known evidence supports such a theory.

It might help if we don't look at governments as monoliths, but as competing factions for power.

For example, the military industrial complex has specific business interests, which may be inconsistent with their political interests, which are obviously inconsistent with national Defense priorities. Just like a hierarchical organization such as the Freemasons, those at the tippy top of the pyramid obviously have different motivations than those in the lower ranks.

Those in the lower ranks do still have the numbers, and a considerable amount of weaponry.

Both the east and west have developed scaler weapons technology, but only the Soviet Union has been showing theirs to us lately. The Nazis did clearly win World War II, and have been developing this technology since before World War II started.

Don't forget that Prescott Bush was the last man to see Nicole Tesla alive. 

Joseph Farrell's synopsis of 911 rings true, that it was in fact a divorce within the upper hierarchy of power.

This does tend to complicate defining whose on what side.

The CIA, and the Nazis are synonymous. You can also call them the the Bush crime syndicate. Obama clearly works for them.

It is entirely plausible that they all work for the Vatican/ Rothschild crime syndicate. 

It does come down to unraveling multiple layers of deception, which by nature, means disregarding stated intentions.

There sure are a lot of moving pieces in this puzzle, and a lot of layers of compartmentalization with competing interests.

Green Lantern, sure, I'll grant you that Obama, and his ketchup King have made a lot of agreements, mostly for the purpose of a cover story, as the Machiavellian play unfolds.

The US simply does not have much credibility when it comes to honoring its agreements these days, and I suspect that most if not all other world leaders are quite aware of this by now.

The purging of militaries, could certainly be the result of what happened in Egypt, when a known puppet was installed by the cabal, and the good men defending their own liberty, took their country back.

In Turkey, the cleansing has amounted to many thousands. That's what a purge looks like.

Maybe the United States military purge just looks different, like giving our troops red high heels to wear, transgender facilities, and the recruitment of politically correct human debris incapable of a good fight. 

There are also an abundance of well-founded competing narratives here on DOTS.

I still say that much of the real agenda will be exposed prior to the election, most certainly before an inauguration of someone who won't answer to the cabal. Do we at least agree that that won't be allowed?

Are both Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump globalist puppets? Again, many competing narratives.

So we wait, and watch.

Enjoy your day,

I've got lots to do.

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Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 10:14am
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The mystery continues:

Wikileaks Is About To Expose The Turkish 'Coup', But Someone Is Trying To Silence Them

Wikileaks claimed Monday it was under attack after it announced it would release hundreds of thousands of documents related to Turkey and the failed military coup attempted Friday.

Even the Zero Hedge peanut gallery can't agree on this one.

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Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 3:16pm
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How we have been trained to "not see the obvious".

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Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 5:54pm
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puppet paranoia

You could debate that we are all globalist puppets, but for the sake of sanity and relativity a half way line is a convenient marker between polar opposites.

Putin and Trump are not globalist puppets!

Image result for paranoid personality disorder 

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Wed, Jul 20, 2016 - 6:46pm
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war drums

Russian citizens across the country are stocking up on essential supplies like salt, matches and buckwheat in preparation for war, according to an expert who recently visited the region.

Jill Dougherty, who served as CNN’s Foreign Affairs Correspondent for three decades, reveals how Russians are paranoid about a major imminent conflict in an article for the Wilson Center.

According to Dougherty, many prominent voices in Russia are incredibly concerned about NATO’s increasingly harsh rhetoric and military maneuvers.

“With Vladimir Putin having recently purged 50 of his top commanders following an old Soviet doctrine that calls for exactly such maneuvers ahead of war, there appear to be a variety of actions being undertaken by both East and West in anticipation of a large-scale conflict.” https://www.prisonplanet.com/preparing-for-war-russian-citizens-stock-up...

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Thu, Jul 21, 2016 - 12:01am
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Tonight's bedtime story

David Icke, Why The System Is Falling Apart

Sweet dreams.angel

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Thu, Jul 21, 2016 - 12:32am
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The turning point ?

The fifty or so nukes in Turkey will stay under guard until Erdogan tells the U.S. where to stick them.

It is plain to see that Putin is in charge now and is sending a message to NATO to 'pull your head in' or 'bend over and kiss your arse goodbye'.

Erdogan is a cunning realist who has had inside knowledge of the coup and is exploiting it to consolidate his power.

Obama has been exposed for what he is, 'a community organiser' who lost a game of chess with Putin.

The world is changing fast but is still a very dangerous place.

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Thu, Jul 21, 2016 - 12:55am
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Sheesh...

I stepped away from the computer for a couple of days and you guys have written a flippin' BOOK. This is gonna take awhile, cuz everything looks interesting! BTW, wikileaks dumped the Turkey papers, and their site is now blocked in Turkey. surprise, surprise, surprise. cheeky

ancaro imparo.
Thu, Jul 21, 2016 - 1:28am
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It's all

Mr.Fix's fault, with help from G.L. (where would we be without them?).

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Thu, Jul 21, 2016 - 5:45am
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Uh, Speaking of Nazi's...

NHK "A Century on Film" series is currently on "The Dictator" chapters (1-3) available for on-demand viewing at https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/century_film/ for a little history refresher.

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AndIrishman shot in Bolivia

And

Irishman shot in Bolivia trying to assassinate Evo Morales and overthrow Bolivian Government

UFO's at War in the Antarctica

All I am saying is with the penchant of the group to call every terrorist bombing a false flag, Wikileaks needs to be put under the same scrutiny. I'm not saying that some Irish guy DIDN't try to kill the President of Bolivia, and I ain't saying all those scientists in Antartica to research something otherworldly. But some of the news flow that comes out of Wikileaks make's me go hmmmmm. 

With all off the speculating that it was the CIA and Obama and 1/2 dozen other sources, they chose to break into Turkey's servers, not CIA servers, not KGB, but Turkey's. If you believe it was an outside job, how much do you think the Turkish emails can reveal? Without telling you everything, they've already pointed the finger. Ok, maybe everybody is wrong and it was nothing but an internal revolution. It will take them awhile to find the smoking gun because they have to dig through 1000's of spam emails from Nigerians who want to leave their money to somebody in Turkey. My guess is that most of you are more organized with your emails than me and alot more careful about spam based on our conversation. I have 1000's of unread emails, advertisements, nigerians etc... but I can find what I want quickly with a key word search. And if you have the capabilities to breach high security server, your search methods are probably quicker than mine. 

If you believe in disinformation, propoganda, false news events, start a website, populate it with classified information, get everybody hooked inforwars style, then you have a legitimate portal to pour out disinformation and have the populace devour it. And while you are out, go after the source and call him a spy, traitor and impeach him any way you can to make him look even more credible.

"Astroturf is when political, corporate, or other special interests disguise themselves and publish blogs, start Facebook and Twitter accounts, publish ads, and Letters to the Editor, or simply post comments online to try to fool you into thinking an independent or grassroots movement is speaking. The whole point of astroturf is to try to give an impression there's widespread support *for or against* an agenda when there's not.

As been noted, it the coup attempt failed and many are observing that it wasn't even a serious attempt. So yeah, now we have to look at timing. Looks like Armstrong did it for me. 

1960 Turkish coup d’état
1971 Turkish military memorandum
1980 Turkish coup d’état
1993 alleged Turkish military coup

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/middle_east/turkey-failed-coup-real-or-fake/

U can read his cycles analysis of the event for yourself. I haven't been a fan of his recent political commentary because he finds a cycle and than inserts opinion not based on the cycles. That's what I see. Just an opinion. But his socrates does seem to be rather accurate. 

I've been interested in the Russian Turkish wars and Russians attempt to gain control over the Black Sea. If they are countering NATO, and Putin is following a military strategy that harkens back to the Tzars, then that's where they want to be. And Russia's new buddying up with Turkey after the coup might be telling. .

But this sentence from Armstrong interests me. 

The September 12, 1980, Turkish coup d’état followed the continuing conflict between right-wing/left-wing armed conflicts, which reflected the proxy wars between the United States and the Soviet Union. It has been argued that the military allowed these conflicts to escalate to provide justification to seize control of the government outright, but this is always with hindsight. 

Those phone calls and other discussions with Obama and Putin on Turkey might be important whether they agreed on something or disagreed. The item of contention might be the issue. And of course, how did that newspaper know about it months ahead.