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So I'm listening to this kid

Supposedly from the school. He's reading DNC talking points from a TelePrompTer. Student or crisis actor? He's way too polished to be just a HS student. 

I'd be willing to guess he was tutored by the Gollum. Same fella that did Marco Rubio. He does live there too. 

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was this from you?

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RT Crosstalk...

It's a roundtable discussion show hosted by Peter Lavelle.

They were ripping into the "indictments" and doing a fine job of it. ;-)

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/419180-american-presidential-election-issue/

(Caution: Russian Propaganda!) ;-)

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A thought experiment...

I know this topic has come up before, and I don't expect this video to change any opinions.

But what I do find interesting, is that confidence in United States government is being demolished at every level.

As the narrative goes, they lie about everything...

Abguy4 and I have had some deep discussions on this topic, pertaining to the authenticity of those trips to the moon.

To summarize our positions, Abguy4 is pretty much on board with the official narrative, my perspective, is that technology had to be borrowed from black-ops to even make it possible. So I only consider whether we made those trips or not as plausible.

There are however plenty of investigators who consider there to be far more evidence that we never went, then evidence supporting the theory that we did. Only Joseph P Farrell brings suppressed technology to the table, but even on that, we have differences as to which particular aspects of the mission would have needed some secret technology for an assist.

I have often considered that despite the many thousands of people involved in this program, due to the CIA's long-standing commitment to compartmentalization, literally only a handful of people were on a need to know basis. That would include the astronauts themselves, (All Freemasons), and a ground crew you could count on your fingers. (selected Nazis/CIA).

But here's the really larger point. Even though the conspiracy theorists have been poking holes in the official narrative for nearly 50 years now, imagine my curiosity when the latest SGT report presents the case that it was all a lie.

I'm not wishing in anyway to offend the sensibilities of Abguy4, and his extreme knowledge on this topic, what I am putting forward, is that I deeply suspect that the credibility of those missions is about to be destroyed in a very public narrative.

Much like every other aspect of government.

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Published on Feb 18, 2018

Bart Sibrel, the producer and director of 'A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon' joins me to discuss the NASA Apollo moon missions and SpaceX. Bart firmly believes that NASA faked the moon landings and the evidence cited in this interview leads me to draw many of the the same conclusions. We know that the elite who run the world have lied to us about everything else, so what would make you believe they told us the truth about the Apollo missions when by NASA's own admission, they have "lost" the technology to go back?

A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon 

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Bart Sibrel

Published on Apr 14, 2013

Award winning filmmaker Bart Sibrel (Sibrel.com) presents his highly acclaimed (and much hated) controversial documentary showcasing newly discovered behind-the-scenes out-takes from the first mission to the moon, proving conclusively that the crew never left earth orbit.

Never before in all of recorded aviation has a flying machine worked on its very first attempt, much less the most complicated one ever created, landing on another planet on its maiden voyage, and returning roundtrip with a crew that lived to tell, all with 1960's technology, even though the feat cannot be repeated today, by any nation on earth, with fifty years more technological advancements in rockets and computers, thus failing the simplest of scientific protocols, that of independent verification and duplication.

Emotional ecstasy and pride, clouds most people's perception of the deplorability reality, that of a government deception to boast domestic morale during a time of unprecedented civil unrest from the unpopular Vietnam War. According to William Kaysing, a six year NASA contractor for the "Apollo" missions, a classified interdepartmental memo rated the odds of a survivable manned lunar mission on its first attempt with 1960's technology, at only one in ten thousand.

The only way to assure success, and not risk killing the crew on live international television, was an artful bluff by the shrewd Nixon administration, along with their well acquainted counterparts in the CIA. This is why the returning crew looked so dejected, rather than triumphant, at their press conference, as they were blackmailed into lying about the alleged greatest accomplishment of mankind, to the detriment of their own souls.

Sibrel has been interviewed, and his documentary about the moon landings have been featured on, The Tonight Show, The Daily Show, Geraldo at Large, The Abrams Report, Coast to Coast, NBC, CNN, FOX, Time Magazine, The New York Times, The L.A. Times, The Washington Post, and USA Today.

Did They Really Walk on the Moon 48 Years Ago on the Very First Attempt? http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/land-...

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What I am actually curious about, is:  Why there is such an incredibly public push to undermine the credibility of our government from every imaginable angle?

That's where the real story is.

The fact that they would lie to us about eveything, is quite common knowledge at this point.

(At least on this thread). wink

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Did They Really......are You serious?

Did They Really Walk on the Moon 48 Years Ago on the Very First Attempt? http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/land-...

So.........................wasted ten minutes of my life that I'll never git back. I grasp the part about the falsehoods and propaganda of the press/cia collusion, but when they get to the Moon stuff they are so full-a-shit I don't know where to start..........as usual.

So Fix....................what do you get /hr, let's say to dig-up a septic tank. I picked that example on purpose. I mean, what would you charge to deal with someone else's previously disposed of stinking rancid shit? Let's say $400/hr.? Well I'm no longer gonna waste my time refuting this shit for free. Beyond this point its $1/word or $500 per hour, what ever comes first. Cash up front. $1000 deposit, non-refundable. I've debunked it all. It's boring at best now. Ok, jest fur you, this one time only, and then I'm gonna bomb yur house and put you outta yur misery. Please move the Eldo to the end of the driveway – I wanna save that.

Just this one sentence (which this author bases most of the article on);

The fact is, if it were so easy to go to the moon with 1960’s technology nearly fifty years ago, on the very first attempt, then there would be manned bases there by now and there would have been a man on Mars twenty-five years ago.

In no fkn way was it the first attempt, OK? Both us and the Russkies had soft landed dozens of probes on the Moon prior. We and the Russkies had dozens of satellites’ around the Moon. All the Apollo hardware had been exhaustively tested both on the ground and in space prior to the first attempt at landing men. The LEM and all its equipment was exhaustively tested on Earth until no failures were recorded. The Saturn was tested ten times w/o a failure. We were ready to go. Apollo 8 went around the moon a dozen times. Apollo 9 tested all  the LEM and Command Module stuff in space for two weeks, lighting and re-lighting the engines, doing rendezvous, etc.  Apollo 10 went to the Moon, the LEM was separated and went down to ten miles from the surface, then re-joined the Command Module for the return trip.

The part about; there would be manned bases there by now and there would have been a man on Mars twenty-five years ago.

Well, there are manned bases there, but that’s another story, huh?

Then this cia payrolled mother-fkr SoB goes on about their (Apollo) lack of computing power. Furgeesusxrissakes, can we possibly drop that one? They totally used 100% of their on-board computer, OK? Buzz on Apollo 11 made a bad mental error and over-loaded it  - read the book – he confessed it all there. Most of the calculations were being done at the Cape or Houston, and then relayed. Now this bung-hole author (Thank You Ag~!) tries to compare this to a cell phone. OK. Since I don’t know cell phones let’s compare to your desk-top or lap-top. When you turn it on you do not ever use one millionth of the CPU capacity. You aren’t mapping DNA in your spare time are you? No? I didn’t think so. Go check yur CPU useage. Unless you’ve got some viruses running, you are at one percent and mostly less.

Shit, its Monday, and my next Martini isn’t scheduled ‘till Friday, but I need it NOW~!

Well…….the internet is open to any dingbat with a key board, and a cia paycheck, so this (article) is what we deal with……..sigh

Just spare me in the future, OK?

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where the real story is

What I am actually curious about, is:  Why there is such an incredibly public push to undermine the credibility of our government from every imaginable angle?

That's where the real story is.

The fact that they would lie to us about everything, is quite common knowledge at this point.

Ok, this is more like it~! Based on one’s mood and edjumacation, everyone looks at things differently. I don’t see the ; incredibly public push to undermine the credibility of our government from every imaginable angle. In my mostly naïve perception, I see the gov being exposed. Whether they want to be or not is the question in my mind. What I do surmise is that IF they survive the exposure, without convictions all around, then they will take that as permission to continue with business as usual, and then gawd help us all. Nothing less than public beheadings has ever stopped them. And then only temporarily, psychopaths can not be anything but psychopaths. Snakes are snakes. Changing the snakes (politicians) changes nothing.

In the meanwhile, to satisfy public opinion, and as a response to the credibility issues, they will probably rearrange the deck chairs. I draw that conclusion from experience in Big Industry. Whenever the company was not making money, or some executive was caught stealing, they would announce a “Re-Organization” and then take a multi-million tax deduction to offset losses, and some bosses would get different titles, or get shuffled around. Then the execs would declare themselves some bonuses. Same ole same ole. Worked every time too.

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Abguy4... That wasn't the question.

Okay,

Nitpicking the Apollo missions really wasn't the point of that post, the fact that the missions could have been pulled off using technology we have discussed pertaining to electric power consumption settles it for me.

Where they got the power for days of lunar excursions with their dune buggy when the initial landing barely had the power for a three hour stopover, is a question that I have at least answered for myself using the very technology I've been working to develop. I've even posted the pictures, and the explanations.

That wasn't the question.

There is a concerted effort to undermine any accomplishment the United States has ever had, and as far as I can see, the government itself is in on it.

Narratives from Geo engineering, the criminality of foreign wars, the criminality of the pharmaceutical companies, the criminality of politicians openly stealing from the public trough, blatant treason, blatant corruption, poison food, poison water, they're not even trying to hide it. More importantly, absolutely no one is being held accountable in any way.

NASA's says they forgot how to get to the moon, they say they have lost all of the records, they don't have the engineering capability to reproduce a Saturn five rocket, and we haven't been back for nearly 50 years, and at least publicly, no one else has either.

Between you and me, I know there is a much deeper story here, that mankind landed on the moon decades before Apollo, that interplanetary travel had already been established prior to JFK's declaration that we should land a man on the moon in 10 years, and that so much of the public narrative is pure bullshit.

Even if they had to stick the lunar excursion module in the cargo bay of a starship, and place it down in the sea of tranquility with a tractor beam, they had the technology to do it.

I find it more credible that the lunar landing site was circled with multiple incredibly advanced spacecraft just showing up for their own amusement, to watch the astronauts walk around, than the narrative that the entire Apollo mission was filmed in a Los Angeles soundstage.

But it's not about the Apollo mission, it's about the governments complicity in making it all appear that it was all a farce. 

It's no different then all of these revelations of corruption across the board, "Secret memos" being revealed to the public,

“Whistleblowers" being propped up on nearly a daily basis now,

"False flag” shootings that are so freaking obvious, that the official narrative isn't even remotely possible.

I think a lot of the witnesses that come forth to contradict the official narrative before the bodies are even cooled off are part of the show.

From JFK to 9/11,  the government itself appears to be actively undermining its own “Official" narratives.

That's the real story.

I've got other issues with the "SGT report”, for pushing the entire "Trump is our Savior,” narrative, actively avoiding the things he is doing to promote his goddamn fucking police state, and his multiple ongoing foreign wars. They'll never tell you that it is just business as usual with him.

I followed the work of a lot of researchers, and quite frankly, there seems to be a 50-50 split on Apollo.

It's not in until you incorporate Joseph Farrell's narrative that the whole thing becomes a relatively simple and a highly likely event.

You yourself have answered all of my questions to my satisfaction, and I'm not arguing whether we went to the moon or not. I know we have, and I know we are still there. I know we were already on Mars before Apollo. I know that there is much to the story that has never been told.

What I want to know, is why the government is actively undermining its own credibility!

I think at this point, it's relevant in any analysis of our world.

PS,

Thanks for the heads-up,

I'm going to park my Eldorado against the side of my house, as insurance against airstrikes by your buddies. cheeky

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Abguy4... That was the question.

I think we were writing to each other simultaneously, the above post was absent your most recent.

"Whether they want to be or not is the question in my mind".

Okay, now we are working with the same question.

So, you think they are "Asking us for permission" to be our bunch of baby fucking Satanic overlords?

Funny, I kind of like that theory.

I think this ties in with the whole "gun grab agenda", trying to rally the public into an armed insurrection.

Here's the problem, they are obviously prepared for an armed insurrection, if they are trying to promote one.

We get slaughtered either way.

Then there is the other possibility.

These "revelations" are coming from outside of our government.

Some secret entity might be spilling the beans, on our behalf, in an effort to wake us up.

To what end?

This only works if the "order followers" don't follow orders anymore.

If the entire western financial system collapses, and they're not feeding themselves at the public trough anymore, this strategy could work.

It's hard to convince somebody of anything, when their paycheck is dependent on them not believing it.

Without a paycheck, "continuity of government" would be a joke.

How am I doing? surprise

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Well Good Evening Everyone,

Well Good Evening Everyone, Good Evening Indeed.  

I hope you all enjoyed Presidents Day with your families and most importantly you found a bargain someplace.  Enough with the small talk.  

There are two things I detest, (ignore all previous lists, this list will no replace previous lists)

Presidential vague references to American Interests abroad.  I liken that to my interest in your fine silverware and BULLSHIT speeches by Presidents, YUP let’s start with JFK and end with Trump on the reasons why we are interested in space travel after all

We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things,[ not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win ...

Well, I choose to go to the Moon because my ass itches.  and because, because, because, because..... I hope you were paying attention during those early persuasion lessons. 

As poetic as JFK words might be, doesn’t tell us shit. 

And another one of your favorite Presidents.   

And leading the world to space helped America achieve new heights of prosperity here on Earth, while demonstrating the power of a free and open society to harness the ingenuity of its people

Obama

Why didn’t I see any of that prosperity?  I sure as hell don’t see a free and open society.   Why do American's accept words so easily without meaning?  Why doesn't anybody stand up and question the official narrative? 

Get my point?   One tall tale after another.   

We went to the moon.  I’ll prove that later.  BTW, did anybody notice on that ancient computer that we knew the earth was round a billion years ago?   I got a gold coin for anybody that can find me somebody that knows anything about astrology (besides their birth sign) and believes in flat earth.  Start looking.   

By the way, I”m taking a different tactic than Abguy.  The clocks ticking, the billing begins.  You’ve already met my bill collector from Sheepshead Bay Brooklyn.  He’s effective. 

The question we will be addressing tonight is not did we go to the moon?  Nah.  Or how we went to the moon?   Or even when we first went to the moon?  The question we’ll be addressing tonite, is why the hell did we go to the moon because as you have already noted, unless you bought JFK, and Obama’s reasons hook line and sinker, it’s all poetry for your brain.    But where’s the rest of your car tootsie? 

Now since this posting is already getting very expensive for all of you, I've called up a friend, Joseph Farrell's friend Richard Hoagland to give you the low down.  There is no additional fee at this time as his article is public access.   

The full article can be found at.   (please respect the copyright until that time in which you can write your own stuff) 

John F. Kennedy's "Grand NASA Plan":

A Recently-Discovered Secret Link --
Between the Myths of Ancient Egypt...
and the Space Program

By Richard C. Hoagland

Copyright 1996

http://www.enterprisemission.com/ken2a.html

  • These cross-correlated public records now provide firm evidence of an astonishing, official link -- between NASA's supposedly strictly "scientific" planetary missions . . . and the previously cited, millennial-old, Egyptian religious "Sirius/Orion/Leo" Mythology--
  • Specifically: a profound and highly documented "connection" now -- between a thousands-of- years-old Egyptian mythological obsession, centered on "Osiris" . . . and--

The officially-announced location and landing times of every manned Apollo Mission to the Moon!

John F. Kennedy's "Grand NASA Plan":

Part II, Page 8

By Richard C. Hoagland

The discovery of this highly documented "paper trail" -- now linking "official, non-sectarian NASA" with a "thousands-of-years-old, dusty religious mythology direct from ancient Egypt(!)" -- began with the "Enterprise" discovery, a few months ago, of a little-known, 1960's official NASA "logo"; this official insignia of NASA's entire Apollo Lunar Program turned out to be also the central figure in the aforementioned Egyptian celestial mythology:

None other than "Osiris" -- the constellation of Orion!

Additional evidence, attesting to the authenticity of this little known historical detail, can be seen in director Ron Howard's recent recreation of the ill-fated mission of "Apollo 13"; in one pivotal scene, just before the astronauts reenter the Earth's atmosphere, two NASA officials are seen having an intense discussion in Mission Control . . . while directly behind them hangs the original, official "Orion" insignia of the whole Apollo Program (see below).

[Curiously, immediately after the Apollo 13 "accident," (see below) NASA quietly changed this official Apollo Program logo -- adding random stars to the existing constellation, thereby cleverly obscuring its direct derivation from "Orion" . . .]

What (the discerning reader might ask) is a mythological Egyptian stellar deity doing, representing an official U.S. governmental exploration of the Moon (and, in a program known under the designation of a Greek "sun god," Apollo; why not the Greek goddess of the Moon, "Diana," for example)? 

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or "Enterprise" has now uncovered compelling, stunning evidence that the extraordinarily complex and expensive (~250 million $) mission planning for each "Osiris/Orion/Apollo" Lunar Mission -- from the first circumlunar flight of "Apollo 8," in December 21, 1968, to the successful conclusion of the last manned lunar mission of "Apollo 17," on December 19, 1972, and with it, the entire Apollo Lunar program -- far from being merely "represented" by this "interesting" Egyptian mythological connection--

Was in fact--

Completely controlled by, and designed around, this crucial "Orion" symbolism . . .

A bizarre mission "top priority" that now demands -- in the context of growing evidence of deliberate NASA coverups of key Apollo discoveries upon the Moon -- a detailed, official Presidential and Congressional investigation . . .

Going to the Moon (or any other planet) with current propulsion technology (such as Apollo's Saturn 5), requires a tremendous amount of careful and prior mission planning. This is because fuel and rocket thrust are very limited; leaving for a specific planetary destination, with a precisely-timed, pre-planned arrival time and specific landing site in mind, requires an immense amount of detailed knowledge of key "celestial mechanics." Simply put: this is a detailed knowledge of all relative planetary and spacecraft motions -- ranging from precise planetary orbits, to planned spacecraft departure and arrival times, to the individual planetary rotation rates themselves. The latter critically impact mission departure and arrival times, if not landing site geometry itself [see also, "The Where' and When' of Each Apollo Landing was Carefully Planned," by Marvin Czarnik, McDonnell Douglas engineer (Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Skylab, Shuttle) -- retired].

Because--

Everything in space is constantly in motion -- spinning on its own axis; orbiting the center of the solar system; or, orbiting another object as it's moving around the Sun (like another planet); with current rocket technology, if you wish to arrive and land at a specific place, at a specific time, on a specific object, that priority -- and that priority ALONE -- determines everything else (see again, Czarnik) about that specific planetary (lunar) mission.        

This includes any and all "secondary considerations" -- such as science, or operational planning: decisions related to "landing site geology," "angle of sunlight at the time of landing," "communications geometry to Earth," etc, etc.

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Moonlanding 111

The other night I spent 45 minutes talking to a best friend and giving him the fine details of why I believe the markets will perform a certain way overtime, both long term and short term, I went on to discuss certain recent events in excruciating detail. 

After I finished, he looked opened his eyes really wide, and said in his native tongue, Where's My Bone? 

That's it.  

Sometimes when I try to describe reality to human beings based on the same concepts, I get the same feeling.    

So I'm not going to do that although I think I can do a better job than this person.  But this is all you're getting.   This person makes some attempt to demystify the technical talk and translate into layman's language.  Your take away should be WOW.  The universe is incredible how it times all events.  Because if you think a bunch of bankers and engineers could do this, you are sadly mistaken.  Suffice to say, if you walk away from this article, I didn't get any of that,  I have an extra bone. 

http://planetwaves.net/astrologynews/34335232.html

If you get past that article, and took some of it in, even there is something more profound going on that meets the eye, you're gonna love this one.  

See.  Makes sense now? 

"It came down to a state of mind: they would convince themselves, as they coasted out to the moon, that the mission had not really begun, and that it would not begin until the moment when Armstrong and Aldrin floated into the lunar module Eagle, undocked from Columbia, and started to final descent to the moon."5  This time was 1:11 PM EDT on the 20th, and yet we see another Masonically inspired astrological moment over Washington D.C., with Spica rising exactly at high noon:

one of mankind's achievements are quite as spectacular as the Apollo missions that put men on the Moon 6 times.  So incredible are these feats that disbelief still exists among certain groups that the landings were a hoax, and simply impossible.  While these views are cetainly radical and unfounded, there does exist a hidden historical aspect of the program that needs to be revealed.

The first of these landings, Apollo 11, was the result of a gargantuan effort on the part of those involved, not only at NASA, but also with their suppliers and contractors, and leaders in the political arena as well.  2002 is the 33rd anniversary of this watershed event in the history of mankind.  As we were busy with the launch of edkohout.com, our little tribute to the hidden astrology of this mission had to wait until August, and we apologize to our heroes for the delay.

Richard Hoagland was first to point out that July 20 is a "ceremonial ritual date" within NASA, as it was the (Julian calendar) date in ancient Egypt of the fixed star Sirius' heliacal rising when the Great Pyramid was built.  This reverence for Sirius is evident in JFK's speech to Congress calling for the USA to put a man on the Moon.  His speech of May 25, 1961, was delivered on a day that the Moon and Sirius were in a rare mundane square, with Luna rising while Sirius culminated:

http://www.edkohout.com/mundane/moonlanding.html

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nope, not guilty. 

Ive been towing the line as of late. I'm even boring myself. Spending more time indoors than out. When I shake loose I'm gonna be like an overwound clock or bat out of hell. 

That lil one is cute as hell. Unfortunately that's a one biter for my dog. Would be for Brett's dog too. 

I like little creatures but they never live long. Was funny as hell cuz once I had Guinea pigs that got our their aquarium. They used to run up the hoses from the pool so I let them run free in the basement. I'd call them when I had food " here lil piggies" they would squeal and come running.   then one day my mom left open the laundry room door and they crawled up her legs begging ....  She nearly had cardiac arrest. She thought they were rats. I still feel bad cuz she was really scared. 

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Thanks

I was hoping it was you pranking me.  Being tracked.

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Yikes

hmmm I kinda wouldn't do that on here without letting you know. Reason: like you said: stalkers. 

Edit: seriously too many real weirdos out there to have fun these days. Lemme know if you need help. 

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you have a dog? Looks like a visla. I hope your not going to eat it. 

Anyhoo, my dad told me after they left the moon. There was a ring of pollution around it for a few days. Never heard anyone else say that but I never looked either. 

And I spoke to AT&T execs who did the communications and were gifted with a moon rock by Nixon for their work. They used tech that wasn't in commercial use. Not surprising cuz they had video tech a full 20 years before the public was ready to accept it. 

Edit: I should add that they sit and still do use a complex set of switches that is expensive. When as far back as the late 50s they knew about stupid networks that would bypass those switches in favor of routers. Basically voip bug that was cheap, too cheap. When they were making hundreds of billions using switches. So they sat on it. 

One of the most foolish things ever done was to break up bell labs and let that genius depart on their own. 

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accountable to who?

There is a concerted effort to undermine any accomplishment the United States has ever had, and as far as I can see, the government itself is in on it.

OK, once again I get hung-up right at the use of that word government. No two agencies know what the other is doing. And none of them are aware of the Blk Ops Gov – at all. There are so many Gov agencies and agendas. So let me sort this out as I see it. There are several  Secret Governments operating almost totally independent of all the rest. There is a set of 3 letter agencies, many of whom answer to some division of the cia. Most of them are totally oblivious to all the others. This is all done on purpose. Presidents and Congressional types are not privy to knowledge of these agencies. Corey Goode explains that this arrangement extends into the Secret Space Programs where one division is kept in the dark as to the existence of the other. That’s right – there are two SSP ‘s. When you say government, I hear cluster-fk.  What government are you talking about?

Now, here’s one  scenario to consider. There is a Blk-Ops Government that is tired of its clandestine roll, and wants outright and total control – to hell with hiding and stealing thru channels. They want it all and they have decided to come out and take control overtly. And so, they are exposing the criminality of the government that the sheeple thinks they have, and when the sheeple cry-out for reform – WHOOLA – the Blk_ops gov will be Johnny-On-the-Spot with a whole New Order and Organization and fresh faced Power Rangers to take the reins. Coup complete. You wanted an answer – that’s my best guess. In other words we are witnessing a war between clandestine power structures – a Mafia war if you like. A war in the heavens, as the Greeks said. Elephants are butting heads for the Alpha male position. Get the drift?

Narratives from Geo engineering, (Blk-Ops government)the criminality of foreign wars,(MIC government) the criminality of the pharmaceutical companies,(AMA ADA, pharmaceutical government) the criminality of politicians openly stealing from the public trough, blatant treason, blatant corruption, poison food, poison water, they're not even trying to hide it. More importantly, absolutely no one is being held accountable in any way.

Laws are to keep the sheeple in the corral. Notice how stealing, baby eating, etc. are NOT crimes or subject to Laws of the sheeples ---  IF you are in the ruling class???

NASA's says they forgot how to get to the moon, they say they have lost all of the records, they don't have the engineering capability to reproduce a Saturn five rocket, and we haven't been back for nearly 50 years, and at least publicly, no one else has either.

Careful with that interpretation. No, the tooling and barges and rail cars of the Saturn era are gone, and so are most of the companies. But NASA has some decent new rockets and new upgraded capsules – BUT WTF they are nothing but second generation Apollo stuff – OMG. What a criminal farce, 70 years later and we still don’t have the stuff Bill Thompkins designed , huh? But then who gives a damn anyways. The sheeple just want a new iShit something and dream for Beyonce to have a wardrobe failure. And fur gawds sake, they are still building chemical rockets, when the SSP has Time travel beyond warp systems. WTF seriously.

Between you and me, I know there is a much deeper story here, that mankind landed on the moon decades before Apollo,

I find it more credible that the lunar landing site was circled with multiple incredibly advanced spacecraft just showing up for their own amusement,

UHmm, according to Thompkins and Corey and Basagio the area of the Moon is split into well-established territories. The suspicion is that we landed in an unfriendly section and they politely gave notice of such. I believe that’s what drove Aldrin to drink and Neil to self induced seclusion. Those guys were the right stuff. They were not brought-up to lie, and then lie Big Time daily. What a dilemma for them, huh?

the narrative that the entire Apollo mission was filmed in a Los Angeles soundstage.

As we talked before, all of it was filmed repetitively in a Los Angeles sound stage. I have the DVDs. They practiced every mission there as realistically as possible, with wires attached to sorta simulate 20% gravity.

 

But it's not about the Apollo mission, it's about the governments complicity in making it all appear that it was all a farce. 

OK, again, which government is trying to smear which government? Which government is releasing which mis-information campaign?  I keep thinking I hear you say that you think there is a solitary agenda at work? Nooooo, there are many. There are all the ones we are aware of, and then there’s more.

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Rocket Factory Gone...

Definitely "Lost", all the engineers dead or retired...

https://www.dailynews.com/2016/08/25/rocketdyne-plant-that-built-worlds-most-powerful-rocket-engines-being-razed/

Last engine?

https://www.dailynews.com/2013/09/28/historic-rocketdyne-engine-moving-from-canoga-park-to-chatsworth/

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buzz aldrin used to go to Reddit and answer questions. Some answers would be paragraphs long. I'm sure they are still there. Absolutely no one disputed his answers and explanations. He sure didn't evade any questions. 

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eating dogs is bad karma. 

eating dogs is bad karma. 

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soulscape wrote: eating dogs

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eating dogs is bad karma. 

Not if it is Halal certified. 

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1972 1st consumer calculator

1972 1st consumer calculator -1972

1980 consumer cd player- 1980 

1969, man invents Valium

and we can go back to 1800's

How many pieces of operating machinery on the Apollo mission to the moon, didn't exist one decade before the moon landing?  

Speaking from an earth perspective only, after the dark forces split our brains and altered our DNA so we couldn't remember our past existence, or how to use advanced technology, our ability to travel in space ended.   

Unless you have some evidence to the contrary, between George Washington and Donald Trump, I don't believe the secret government went ot the moon other than Apollo.   

As far as I know from my investigations, the physical level of the moon is pretty much a no man's land. And all those holes are from the cosmic war.  If there are "humans" from earth there than it's akin to scientists living in Antartica.   If it's on a higher vibrational level, like most of life in our planetary system, I don't believe we have the technology or cosmic permission to enter and I don't think scientists are smart enough to know that we can't detect live on many of these planets because science doesn't have the equipment to monitor it on a different vibration.  

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