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Sun, Oct 4, 2015 - 4:05pm
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oops wrong thread

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Sun, Oct 4, 2015 - 5:24pm
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Fairly fresh Jackass

Jim Willie - FULL INTERVIEW 9/30/15

IN THIS INTERVIEW:
- Reset delayed by 1 year ►1:00
- How much gold is the U.S. stealing? ►8:55
- Why can't the Fed hike interest rates ►14:37
- The Fed is secretly creating $1 trillion/mo! ►22:00
- New Iran oil supply guarantees low oil price, and therefore enormous broad damage to the U.S. ►30:48
- Emerging market debt on verge of defaults ►42:34
- Global shortage of gold and silver ►48:03

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Sun, Oct 4, 2015 - 8:08pm
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Score Card...We got

Score Card...

We got Armstrong calling WW3 with a ? From the looks of it, the old WW2 alliances are off. And giving a little bit away on his ECM model. 

Farrell now has France in the game sending military assistance, China on the way, (probably been there all along, at least in a proxy fashion) and we got the possibility of thermonuclear weapons already been used based on video's. Same in the Ukraine. Not conclusive. 

Just another day at the races eh??? But the comment that really drew my attention, not that WW3 and thermonuclear possibilities had me yawning, was the following. It dove tails Ag1969's earlier comment. Good test of your memories for thosewho recall our discussions about Mohenjodaro in Pakistan which was excavated by archeologists in the last century, they found skeletons just lying in the streets, some of them holding hands and radioactive tests dating at least to 1500 bc. Long before our first nuclear tests. The Crespi treasures in Quito Ecuador which was confiscated by their military and much more. Here's the comment by one Walking Dead.

There is a minute possibility that Putin has placed himself in a position which may come back to bite him in an unpleasant place. While his intentions may be honorable, what comes of it may be something else entirely, through no fault of his own. The inclusion of thermo baric weaponry into the mix may not be coming from the West or Russia. There is a another player on the world stage, which has been hidden until recently, but is slowly coming to light.
I have had a nagging suspicion for some time that the “Breakaway Civilization” is much older than is thought. I believe we may find out that what we see happening in the world today is the culmination of an extremely long term plan to achieve a one world government; the leadership of which will be that very same “Breakaway Civilization”. In essence, a return of the antediluvian world, the history of which has been so meticulously hidden from us.
There are always many layers to this groups plans. The obvious layers are discernible, but the much deeper and longer range layers elude us until they are revealed layer by layer. That the world is being steered toward global conflict is apparent, what follows is may be discernible. Many goals of this group would be satisfied including mass population reduction, consolidation of resources, and the essential enslavement of mankind under their world leadership.

Only time will tell.

Of course, I could just be seeing things that just aren’t there, too. It is, after all, just a nagging suspicion.

I highlighted this sentence for reason. Even the world leaders have string pullers and that idea is a sizeable rabbit hole!!!

 That the world is being steered toward global conflict is apparent, what follows is may be discernible.

Which of course makes Ag1969's comment about the narrative in the Mahabarata much more interesting. We might even have to include the mass shootings into this narrative. Not to mention, NASA's 5 year forecast, recent discovery of water on Mars, and of course, a Hollywood motion picture coming out at the same time as NASA's prediction on Mars. There is definitely a relevance that this guy is picking up on. That's why in the last two years a few of us tried going down that rabbit hole. The degree in which it has been covered up is telling!!

Sun, Oct 4, 2015 - 8:46pm (Reply to #665)
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Green Lantern, you are definitely on to something there

Joseph Farrell has done a lot of work documenting the breakaway civilization, the secret space program, and how this ties into technologically advanced ancient civilizations. To say that this " one world government" agenda is old news, is quite the understatement. At a minimum, it predates what is largely accepted as the historical record, and can conceivably go all the way back to human origins. The theory that they have secret weaponry centuries more advanced than what is publicly known is not all that far-fetched.

Nicola Tesla might not even have been all that groundbreaking, he could have just stumbled into what was well-known already by those families who have been pulling the strings of humanity from a lineage that predates all of recorded history.

And even if that's too far-fetched to consider, consider this: If the technology that Tesla was working on before it got suppressed was adopted by a global military power, and then sank trillions upon trillions of dollars into research and refinement, the weaponry that currently exist would still be something out of Star Trek or Star Wars.

Did our space program get canceled because we already have an infinitely more advanced "secret space program"?

Is the United States only pretending to be a sitting duck? Do we infact have suppressed technology that could flatten Russia in a matter of minutes?

Here I think the truth lies somewhere outside of the current choices:

When Russia spends rubles on military technology, it probably gets nearly what it paid for. When the United States government spends dollars on military hardware, the vast overwhelming majority of it is squandered, and outright stolen. It is often stated that the United States spends more on its military than the rest of planet Earth combined, and yet we seemingly have very little to show for it.

I think Russia actually uses it's cutting edge technology, the United States on the other hand, only gives its troops Technology that is nearly 100 years old. The third player is those who have the really neat toys, the ones that have been bought and paid for by stealing half of the global wealth for the past hundred ears. They are not loyal to any country, and could easily be working to destroy United States, Russia, and China, along with any other Government in their sites to institute their global governance scheme.

If Joseph Farrell's breakaway civilization does exist, by definition, its technology boggles the imagination.

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Sun, Oct 4, 2015 - 9:24pm (Reply to #666)
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Mr. Fix wrote:Did our space

Mr. Fix wrote:

Did our space program get canceled because we already have an infinitely more advanced "secret space program"?

Is the United States only pretending to be a sitting duck? Do we infact have suppressed technology that could flatten Russia in a matter of minutes?

Here I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

The big money questions Mr. Fix!! The big money questions. Some have said that NASA has technology that might be 1000's of years ahead of what we know. We are mere peons living the Truman show being fed whatever they feel is appropriate. Social engineering. 

You know about the reports of the German Foo fighters I assume? Certainly you saw the Indiana Jones series with the space ship in the desert? Was the holy grail a metaphore for a tool, a technology that could rule the world?

There have mostly definitely weapons recovered especially in Antartica which froze over during the great flood when the poles inverted. The story is told in Norse mythology. It is known as the fimbulwinter. 

Fimbulvetr is the harsh winter that precedes the end of the world and puts an end to all life on Earth. Fimbulwinter is three successive winters where snow comes in from all directions, without any intervening summer. During this time, there will be innumerable wars and ties of blood will no longer be respected: the next-of-kin will lie together and brothers will kill brothers.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fimbulwinter 

Ragnarök is a series of future events, including a great battle foretold to ultimately result in the death of a number of major figures (including the gods Odin, Thor, Týr, Freyr, Heimdallr, and Loki), the occurrence of various natural disasters, and the subsequent submersion of the world in water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k

Do you know why all the major world powers have science stations located there? Why they keep exploding nuclear weapons when they showed they worked alamogordo new mexico in 1945?

Other questions to ponder. Who are the Greek Gods and Roman Gods? Are these just cute stories so we can suffer of boredom in high school? Metaphors that are also in the bible? Are the references to the planets, references to astrology? Why are they given personalities that are involved in war fare?

 When Zeus was about to be born, Rhea sought Gaia to devise a plan to save him, so that Cronus would get his retribution for his acts against Uranus and his own children. Rhea gave birth to Zeus in Crete, handing Cronus a rock wrapped in swaddling clothes, which he promptly swallowed

You like reading fiction?? I do. 

When Daria McHenry receives an ancient key from her father, she has no idea it will lead her to find the capstone that once crowned the Great Pyramid of Giza, and before that, of Atlantis. She then learns far more than she would like to know about these pyramids' secrets. Daria's life takes yet another turn when she discovers her capstone has the power to stop an impending planetary shift. She is caught between two difficult choices: Use the capstone to stop the shift, and unleash the evils that destroyed Atlantis. Or not use it, and allow the shift to wipe out half the world population. ...What would you decide?

Benben was the mound that arose from the primordial waters Nu upon which the creator god Atum settled in the creation story of the Heliopolitan form of Ancient Egyptian religion. The Benben stone (also known as a pyramidion) is the top stone of the Egyptian pyramid. It is also related to the obelisk.

Who thunk this stuff up?

Compare the Capstone art to Crespi treasures. There were weapons that were confiscated. He had over 70,000 artifacts STOLEN!

https://www.messagetoeagle.com/fathercrespi.php#.VhHQq_2FPVI

Suffice to say, I think they know alot. Maybe thousands of years worth of knowledge that is not even on the map in most people's consciousness's

Sun, Oct 4, 2015 - 9:33pm
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Adam´s Bridge is 30 km

Adam´s Bridge is 30 km long

"In the eighteenth incarnation (of Lord Krishna), the Lord appeared as King Rama. In order to perform some pleasing work for the demigods, He exhibited superhuman powers by controlling the Indian Ocean and then killing the atheist King Ravana, who was on the other side of the sea" - Srimad Bhagavatam
 
(@PTI) Space images taken by NASA reveal a mysterious ancient bridge in the Palk Strait between India and Sri Lanka. The recently discovered bridge currently named as Adam´s Bridge is made of chain of shoals, c.18 mi (30 km) long.

The bridge´s unique curvature and composition by age reveals that it is man made. The legends as well as Archeological studies reveal that the first signs of human inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to the a primitive age, about 1,750,000 years ago and the bridge´s age is also almost equivalent.

This information is a crucial aspect for an insight into the mysterious legend called Ramayana, which was supposed to have taken place in tredha yuga (more than 1,700,000 years ago).

In this epic, there is a mentioning about a bridge, which was built between Rameshwaram (India) and Srilankan coast under the supervision of a dynamic and invincible figure called Rama who is supposed to be the incarnation of the supreme.

This information may not be of much importance to the archeologists who are interested in exploring the origins of man, but it is sure to open the spiritual gates of the people of the world to have come to know an ancient history linked to the Indian mythology.
https://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/ancient/nasa.htm
 
The two great ancient epics of India, Ramayana and Mahabharata (c. 1000-500 BC) are centered on conflicts and refer to military formations, theories of warfare and esoteric weaponry.
Among the principal works and stories that are a part of the Mahabharata are the Bhagavad Gita, the story of Damayanti, an abbreviated version of the Ramayana, and the Rishyasringa, often considered as works in their own right. Traditionally, the authorship of the Mahabharata is attributed to Vyasa. With about one hundred thousand verses, long prose passages, or about 1.8 million words in total, the Mahabharata is roughly ten times the length of the Iliad and Odyssey combined, or about four times the length of the Ramayana. W. J. Johnson has compared the importance of the Mahabharata to world civilization to that of the Bible, the works of Shakespeare, the works of Homer, Greek drama, and the Qur’an. — Source: Wikipedia
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A completely depraved scenario from the mind of Mr. Fix

In the interest of maintaining this evenings theme of "High octane speculation”, I've got a scenario that's been playing around inside my head, and the evidence supports it, but I've never actually heard this narrative anywhere. Well, almost nowhere…

A few weeks ago, being in a particularly lazy mood, I laid back on my sofa, and watched an old rerun of a James Bond flick entitled “Skyfall". Without going into too much detail, I just want to focus on one particular narrative spoken by the villain, to James Bond. I don't have a direct quote, so I am paraphrasing, I'll do the best I can:

"Imagine if you will that you are a farmer, with a Coconut Grove, and you have a small problem… your Coconut Grove is infested with rats, and they keep eating your coconuts. What do you do?

Well first off, you have to get rid of the rats. So you round them all up, yes, you catch each and everyone of them, and keep them all in a box. Then what do you do with the box?

Do you kill the rats? Do you take the box far away and dispose of it?

No, you keep the rats in the box, without any food. As time goes by, the rats get very hungry. With no food, they start to attack each other, and they eat each other. As time goes by, most of the rats are dead, and all that remains are two very aggressive fat rats. So what do you do with them?

The answer, is you release them back into your Coconut Grove.

Why you ask?

Because the rats no longer eat coconuts. They only eat rats. Through proper conditioning their very nature has changed, now you only have rats that eat other rats, they will never bother your coconuts again."

Now, I'm sure you're wondering what the point is….

Combine this with another story. There was one such story on Steve Quayle’s site today, it has to do with gun sales and each false flag shooting.

Apparently, every time the government stages a shooting, and Obama promptly comes out calling for gun legislation, gun sales skyrocket! This happens predictably, each and every time. The particular story that I read focused on one gun shop that has a life size cardboard cutout of President Obama by the front door with a sign on him stating "gun salesman of the century”.(Or something like that).

Do the powers that be really want to take away our guns, or would they prefer to arm us to the teeth? Obviously, they know that gun sales are now at record highs, and yet they just keep reiterating the same narrative.

So what gives?

Okay, back to the rats... What do they do when there's no more food?

What will happen in America when there's no more food?

I don't think they actually have to take over anything, they just have to threaten it. What they will do, is shutdown the supply chains, make the currency worthless, turn off all the EBT cards, destroy the food supply, and leave an entire populace with nothing to eat except each other.

Lots and lots of guns will help speed the process up. In the end, you'll have a very small population that's only good at killing other populations for the basic necessities.

In the meantime, the powers that be can just camp out in their bunkers, party like it's the end of the world, and after only a few short months, literally own the entire planet. You see, this whole thing is being played out globally, it's not just an American phenomenon. I still don't think Vladimir Putin is playing along with agenda, I know many of you view him as a globalist gangster, but at least in recent history, he only appears to be seriously interested in defending Russia's interests. I know that could change, and maybe making Obama look like an idiot is just his way of amusing himself, but alas that's another topic.

And what of the survivors? They will be thoroughly conditioned to just kill each other, and no longer any threat whatsoever to the powers that be. They'll be no more competition for resources, at least not from the globalist perspective, willing slaves will be quite easy to find, and humanity will be too shattered and scattered, not to mention morally bankrupt to organize in any way whatsoever.

So, where does this end?

 A "Mad Max" scenario? To me, it actually seems more likely than a successful gun grab. If Obama is widely viewed as the world's greatest gun salesman, don't you think his handlers would have given him a new script by now? If Obama ignored guns, there would be far less of them by now. Speaking for myself, I built a substantial arsenal before Sandy Hook, and in strictly dollar terms, probably one of the best investments I've made over the past decade. I know I am far from alone. Most people in my own neighborhood are heavily armed.

Contrary to the propaganda on the news, I consider my neighborhood extremely safe.

At least until there is no food to be bought anywhere.

Then we are all just rats in a box.

The things I think of… cheeky

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Actually Slick, your wild assed guess is correct, it was after 2012. But it did matter. OEF-A went on (for us) until the U.S handed over Camp Leatherneck in Afghanistan on October 26, 2014. The rotations I spoke of took place February and March 2014. The timeline usually went like this; After training ended, the Marines would go back to their home base, and usually have two weeks before deployment. Deployment was usually for 7 months. These Marines were replacing the Marines in Afghanistan who'd done their 7 months. Feb/March + 7 months = roughly October. They were going to have to deal with the Afghans even during the draw down, so why train them with people who didn't wear traditional garb or speak the language? This training wasn't for 50 Marines, it was a battalion - a thousand or more. The reason the Marine Corps gave for not renewing the contract was because they were going to do the training "in house," using Marines instead of civilians. Ever hear of preconditioning?

Precondition: to subject to a special preparation that will permit or facilitate a subsequent experience, process, etc.

As to AG1969's comment about the military's advanced weaponry. A few representatives of a company came out to our FOB one day in November of 2013. They wanted volunteers to participate in a trial of their Humvee mounted heat ray. Some people actually volunteered and were paid around $40 for getting heated up from about a mile away.

Mon, Oct 5, 2015 - 6:03am
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Perhaps you already saw this

Job security and cowardice abound. I feel for this gentleman that bravely comes forward with both logic and truth and demands to be heard. A few quotes from the doc listed below.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/08/17/fbi-evidence-proves-innocence-accused-boston-marathon-bomber-dzhokhar-tsarnaev/

I have been contacted by attorney John Remington Graham, a member in good standing of the bar of the Minnesota Supreme Court and the United States Supreme Court.

The FBI’s evidence clearly concludes that the bomb was in a black knapsack, but the photographs used to establish Dzhokhar’s presence at the marathon show him with a white knapsack. Moreover, the knapsack lacks the heavy bulging appearance that a knapsack containing a bomb would have.

As Graham is nearing the end of his career, he is willing to speak out, but he could not find a single attorney in the state of Massachusetts who would sponsor his appearance before the Federal District Court in Boston.

This tells me that fear of retribution has now extended its reach into the justice (sic) system and that the America that we knew where law was a shield of the people no longer exists.

By way of introduction. I have practiced criminal law for nearly forty-eight years, both prosecuting and defending, and served as a founding professor in an accredited law school in my native Minnesota. I have appeared as counsel before courts of record in sixteen jurisdictions, and have a background in forensic science and medicine.

I used eight photo exhibits to explain my conclusions that, as a matter of law, there was no probable cause to support the indictment, and that Mr. Tsanaev was plainly not guilty as charged.

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Well written

Hits the nail on the head, we must ask just who are among these refugees, mercenaries? Discusses historical and present CIA actions.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-on-isis-and-russias-role-the-cover...

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Mon, Oct 5, 2015 - 6:30am
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7 ways to stop terrorism

https://www.globalresearch.ca/how-to-stop-terrorism-seven-ways-to-drain-...

We can talk about it all day but nothing changes until some of these are put into action.

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Mon, Oct 5, 2015 - 4:08pm
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President Obama is provably treasonous:

BREAKING: President of Argentina Accuses Obama of Treason Against The United States

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By Gary P Jackson

Speaking at the United Nations, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchener … the President of Argentina … dropped a bombshell that, if true, would make President Barack Obama guilty of High Treason against the United States, and mankind as a whole. 

According to President de Kirchener, in 2010 Gary Samore … the White House Coordinator for Arms Control and Weapons of Mass Destruction, approached her, requesting her government send enriched uranium to Iran. Samore admits this, and says he also approached Russia and France asking the same of them! All three countries refused his request! 

From the Marshall Report: [emphasis mine] 

The President of Argentina – Cristina Fernandez de Kirchener announced before the United Nations that her nation had been approached by an Obama administration official, Gary Samore, former White House Coordinator for Arms Control and Weapons of Mass Destruction, requesting them to provide enriched nuclear fuel to the Islamic Republic of Iran in 2010. (Samore did not dispute this claim).

The request fell short when Kirchener asked for the deal in writing and Samore was never heard from again.

Samore did release a statement admitting that he made the request in 2010 and Argentina balked at the deal. He also admitted that he had approached France and Russia with a similar proposal. That deal fell through as well. The deal was supposedly to allow Iran to send their low enriched uranium to Russia to enrich further, then send it to France to finish converting it into nuclear reactor fuel then send it back to Iran for its own use. Supposedly in an effort to prevent Iran from weaponizing its uranium stockpiles. That deal also fell through.

These deals lead to a new U.N. resolution that increased economic sanctions on Iran. And eventually to the bargaining table for the horrible deal Obama has worked out with them this year.

Obama’s White House administration has not responded to these potentially treasonous allegations as of yet.

There’s only one real reason for Iran to have enriched uranium, and it has nothing to do with generating electricity! 

Obama’s nuke deal with Iran is itself an act that borders on treason, but deliberately arming the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism [a regime that screams “Death to America” on a daily basis] with nuclear weapons, AND roughly $150 BILLION in cash, so they can purchase intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of hitting targets within the United States [which Obama’s treaty allows] is the most evil thing any American president has ever done. 

This is the sort of thing that should make the America people all across the nation stand up and DEMAND Obama’s immediate resignation, as well as criminal proceedings to commence. Obama has proven over and over that he is an enemy of the United States, and Free people all around the world. Everything he has done for the past 7 years has been designed to destroy America and her allies, and strengthen her enemies. 

We can’t wait for January 2017 and Obama’s exit from office. He can do too much damage between now and then. He has to go now and criminal investigations must begin immediately. The survival of the Free world demands this. 

https://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/breaking-pres...

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Mon, Oct 5, 2015 - 4:13pm
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The treason continues...

WHITE HOUSE: OBAMA PREPARING MORE EXECUTIVE ACTIONS ON GUN CONTROL

2173President Obama Holds Election Night Event In Chicago

by CHARLIE SPIERING5 Oct 20152146

The White House confirmed that President Obama was preparing a series of executive actions on gun control to match his recent passion on the issue after the latest mass shooting in Oregon.

“It’s a high priority and will continue to be until we start to see more progress on this issue in this town,” White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters today at the press briefing.

Earnest said he would “quibble” with anyone who criticized the president for not voicing any specific gun control proposals during his press conference, asserting that the White House was working behind the scenes for more executive actions on guns.

“I can tell you that they’re not stumped, they’re continuing to review the law that’s on the books and continuing to consult with legal authorities but also others who may have ideas about what steps that can be taken to keep guns out of the hands of criminals,” Earnest said.

He admitted, however that he had no details for what the White House was working on, but asserted that the process was a “scrub” that was “ongoing.”

Earnest welcomed Hillary Clinton’s own gun control proposals announced this morning, but admitted that he hadn’t seen the full details of the proposal.

He also pointedly criticized the “gun show loophole” for allowing criminals and people with mental problems to buy weapons, blaming organizations like the National Rifle Association for blocking action in Congress on the issue.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/05/white-house-obama-pr...

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An inquisitor is beatified~!??? Seriously WTF~!

Somebody pinch me, I wanna wake-up from this nightmare..............

Saint Francis just rolled-over in his grave

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Something else to add to the very long list of reasons we don’t trust the Catholic church or the Pope, they’ve recently declared Junípero Serra to be a saint. This is a man who was an inquisitor for the Spanish Inquisition, and a masochist who used to beat himself bloody. Truly a sick individual, but that stuff pales in comparison to what he did to the Native Americans. Here’s a statement from the National Congress of American Indians:

“[Pope Francis] has chosen to proceed with the canonization of Franciscan Missionary Junípero Serra—a man who played a pivotal role in the enslavement, torture, and other violent tactics perpetrated against Native peoples though the mission system in California. This canonization is strongly opposed by California tribes because it validates the monstrous history of the Catholic church during that time.”

So this man, who was central in destroying native cultures, is considered to be a “saint” by Pope Francis? The Pope was just apologizing for the way the church treated native people, now he’s granting sainthood to the person responsible for the behaviors he’s apologizing for. And this is a man lecturing the whole world on morality?

Source: https://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/09/23/3704871/junipero-serra-native-americans-protest/

Related: Kevin Annett On the Trial of the Pope, et al for Child Rape, Torture, Sacrifice

Mon, Oct 5, 2015 - 4:39pm (Reply to #674)
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you've obviously been away for awhile

Fix, you've obviously been away for awhile - We covered this already. It's from a right-wing-nut wacko site with a dis-info agenda.
Here's the first comment posted to the article you posted - It saved me a whole bunch of typing.

Josiah Jacob

October 3, 2015 at 10:24 am

As a conservative, as a republican, as someone who opposes the Iranian deal and who despises Obama and his progressive left psychopath cronies? As all these things, I want to say?
This is nonsense garbage.
If Iran did was nuclear power, they would need fuel for it. Which means they either make their own, of they buy it from someone else. If they make their own, that means their own centrifuges, and that means being able to refine it to military grade levels and not merely fuel levels. It also means they can stockpile it.
If, however, deals were set up allowing them to get it from the international market, we would have on record the EXACT amount they received, EXACTLY how refined it was, and where it came from. They would have no basis to fight to keep their centrifuges, without which they could not continue to refine. And they could NOT STOCKPILE.
In short, under the disastrous, currently existing Iranian plan, they have over 6,000 centrifuges, and make and stockpile their own material, and could have a bomb in just a few short years.
If this original plan had taken place, they would have no ground to demand centrifuges, and would lose them. Their amounts of fuel would be known and could not be hidden, and they would not have the amounts, equipment, or purity of fuel needed for weapons, and the ONLY thing they could do was use it for electricity.
Iran would have lost 4 years of its development time, and would have military potentials crushed, had this plan been adopted. Israel, other Middle Eastern allies, Europe, Us, and the average citizen in Iran would all be safer today and in the future, if this had been adopted. Your blind hatred for this man and his administration has resulted in you being unable to even consider that anything he could plan could work, and left you looking for deception, deceit, and treason in his every action. The detestable human being that he is, the poor leader that he is, the unAmerican liar that he is, you looking for these things is not unreasonable. But in this case, it is entirely unfounded. If a GOP president had tried to do this, you would have lauded it as an attempt at brilliant international maneuvering against Iran that would have crippled their war powers, that was defeated by other world leaders (such as Russia) who have a vested interest in keeping the US in a bad place.
Seriously. Think about it. Why would Russia have opposed this? Because this plan would have worked, and that would have put the United States into a better bargaining position. The failure of this led to the current Iranian deal, which Russia supports and loves. Ask yourself why.

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GL, Fix....

I surprised you haven't seen this. Dr Stephen Greer answers a whole lot of questions NWO/aliens/ancient civilizations/space weapons/free energy/UFO's etc. and opens a few cans of worms.... 

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Link to video testimony vis a vis aliens visiting earth - very compelling stories.

https://www.siriusdisclosure.com/witness-testimony/

Enjoy....

Mon, Oct 5, 2015 - 6:14pm
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@ Mr. Fix

@ # 675 & 676..

BHO is the King of Babylon, you expected something different from him?

Mon, Oct 5, 2015 - 7:00pm
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The Trumpster has spoken

Donald Trump: "The Middle East would be safer with Saddam, Qaddafi and Assad" and "We are giving Syrian rebels billions of dollars, and they could be worse than Assad!"

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Thanks for the video of Greer. I'll watch it probably tomorrow. Is that the retired Canadian General that says we are actively working with them at the top levels of government? Ie, they are already pushing our leaders buttons and maybe in ways, they are unaware of?

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John Rubino

 The whole world, at long last, understands that the situation is beyond both US understanding and control.

And that’s the good news.

The really scary part of the story is that Russia has jumped — decisively — into this vacuum and is building a coalition to take over the Middle East. In partnership with Iran and China it’s propping up Syria’s dictator and bombing both ISIS and US-trained rebels back beyond the stone age. The next step will presumably be to bring Saudi Arabia into line and thus dominate the region’s oil reserves. Israel, in this scenario, has no good options. https://dollarcollapse.com/war/were-not-nearly-as-worried-about-the-middle-east-as-we-should-be/

In high tide fish eat the ants, in low tide ants eat the fish. - Thai proverb

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