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Thu, Sep 24, 2015 - 9:05pm
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GL and Fix

What Farrell also mentions in the video is the US military presence in Germany, as in Ramstein(SP?) I assume. Isn't that where Jim Willie always says all the drugs flow through?

Not just oil. What about Mr. Brownstone?

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Jeremiah,

With all due respect, your post is filled with inaccuracies and lack of context. The same accusation you make toward me. The difference is some of your quotes don't even exist other than on quote websites with no original documents to be found. Examples to follow. You support idea's without the least bit of support. That wasn't the aim of my post but understand why you'd demand that kind of diligence. 

There is obviously a very rich Christian Nation on the internet that are passing these quotes around. I did infact check all the quotes before I posted them and indeed I didn't give much context in the sake of time. Some of them were incorporated into documents and signed by multiple people. Jefferson's has alot greater context. These are essay's in themselves. He wrote entire articles on separation between Church and State.

I assume that people pick the same three people because somebody already did the graphics and it's easy to illustrate the principle. Obviously, I could do my own. Secondly, they were the most influential people. Madison basically wrote the entire thing. You pick a list of people, one that wasn't even at the Constitutional Congress and others whose contribution were either ignored or negligible.

I found this guy David Barton and his Christian Nation. For others in the same boat as me who do not know him.

(David Barton is an American evangelical Christian conservative political activist and author. He is the founder of WallBuilders, a Texas-based organization which promotes the view that it is a myth that organization which promotes the view that it is a myth that the United States Constitution insists on separation of church and state.) Basically what we have here is an Evangilist Christian even admitting to these erroneous quotes that you've posted.

 Now onto your assertions.

https://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/05/18/more-christian-nation-falsehoo/

27 of our 56 founding fathers had Christian seminary degrees

Absolutely false (and I’d love to hear Derender actually name which ones had such degrees and from which schools). In fact, it seems that he can’t even repeat the Christian Nation propaganda correctly. David Barton only says 24, not 27 (out of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, not the founding fathers in general). But Barton’s reasoning is absurd. He counts as a "seminary degree" any degree from any university that began as a seminary. Harvard, for instance, started as a seminary in the early 1600s (along with Yale, Princeton and most of the other major colleges), but by the time the founding fathers went there it was a full university. The vast majority of them got degrees in things like law, not religion, but Barton calls those "seminary or Bible degrees" even if they were in a completely different subject. Highly dishonest.

My latest post on Christian nation falsehoods attracted commenters leaving yet more falsehoods. I’ve decided to move them up to their own post to debunk them. The first several came from someone using the name Derender and he starts out with one of the classic false quotes:

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ." – Patrick Henry


One of the most common false quotations passed around by the Christian Nation crowd. Henry never said this. Even David Barton has admitted that the quote has never been found in any of Henry’s original writings. Henry was certainly a Christian, of course. In fact, he was a virtual theocrat.

You see the difference Jeremiah? Some of your quotes aren't even out of context, they are fabricated and how many of them were Christian based on seminary degrees is well irrelevant when the schools forced you to get seminary degrees before you could move on to law. Heck, Me, Fix and Ag1969 would all have been forced to accept Jesus just so we could get a degree and a profession. 

.And use generalties to support the notion of a Christian based government but as I've pointed out before, , YOUR concept of Christianity differs from each of the fathers and you are making summary judgments by counting numbers does not cut the mustard for something as important as how this country is run and what guarantee's are inalienable liberties and freedoms.

An example,

John Adams used the term "Christian" very broadly, declaring that all good people were "Christians" even if they were, in fact, Muslims or Hindus or non-believers.

(He wrote in the Treaty of Tripoli: (now you will have context) Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The point being, we will do business with Muslim nations and we're both keep our religious differences out of it. That's a high calling because I haven't seen those sentiments here. Supporting the kicking of a young girl would even be against the tenents of the Geoneva Convention never mind Christianity.

Again, both the quotes and the context can be checked and in the past I posted John Adams writings on the bible.

Even if they were correct and you can find some original document that Patrick Henry wrote these things, SO WHAT? He was vetoed by brighter minds and he voted against the Constitution of the United States of America. The greatest political document ever written. He's not going to win any awards posthumously. His idea's weren't incorporated. So call him a father if you want but he is somewhat irrelevant in terms of the future of our country.

And of course, they all had theology degree's!!! Have you gone back and looked at the catologues of those schools? Harvard demanded that the goal of the studies was to know Jesus Christ. It was a seminary for crying out loud and you are comparing totally different times when that was looked upon as the shnizzle and not Liberal Arts degrees, and the other crap taught in school today that is basically government dictated for purposes of putting unawakened kids into a lifetime of corporate servitude (guilty) I climbed out of the matrix. Put your kids in debt to study a program of study that will ensure they flip burgers as somebody said. 

Jefferson wrote an entire document the Wall Between Church and State and it was well received. Washington was a deeply devotional man. I am on the same page as Jefferson, it's no skin off my back what you believe, what the Muslim's believe or anybody else, I don't want them for myself and I don't want them in government. But they are free to practice. However, I'll note that freedom of practice of religion is problematic as we've learned because again we as a collective disagree when your religion encroaches upon the spiritual believes of others.

John Witherspoon (NOT PRESENT AT THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONGRESS) Kind of an absent father. Rush, (good and talented man) believed that a tax should be set up (take our money and buy bibles with them. A bible welfare system? Do you endorse that idea? You want to force it down my throat with public money's? Is that what you want? You don't seem like that kind of guy but how am I to know if you quote a mostly unknown man and don't share his greater vision? These men were there indeed around at the time, but their influence on the writing of the Constitution was miniscule.

What about these quotes???

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.

That's why our system of government is a Representational Republic and not a democracy. He didn't say that Christianity is the only thing that works. Democracy is majority rule, it is whatever the mob or majority decides, where as Liberty is based on the two eternal, multi-religious, multi-culture laws. It's not only in your bible, it is present in almost all religions and spiritual teachings in some form. That's NOT Christian. I understand your world view comes from a bible but you are going to have a hard time talking to the "secular" crowd at a convention if you can't put your idea's forth without quotes from a book others don't except as the word of God. As I noted before, the early clergy figured out quoting bible wasn't the best way to have a discussion with others who do not read the same book as you in the same way. 

The founding fathers agreed on unregulated free trade, with limited government, employing the two basic common laws - this understanding brought the founding fathers towards the reality of a Pythagorean harmonious exchange of prosperity and liberty which has all but disappeared. The ideas of liberty takes precedence over democracy.

Alexander Tyler. Have no idea who he is but seems like a decent enough man and possibly an anarchist because he thought neither a democracy and republican could work. Maybe he understand the cyclical nature of man and left off with the conclusion that will always degrade to a worthless/fascist system but I don't see he was proposing a Christian government. What I did find on him also is a bunch's of quotes that were not written by him and were part of a fairly prolific miss attribution in support of a Christian state and used in the political election of 2000 using these quotes that were purportedly from a book that Tyler never wrote. There are numerous sites on the fallacy of of Tyler believes but you can start here. https://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp

And then you just go on and taking quotes at seemingly random that invoke God and a higher spirit and implying that somehow endorse a Christian nation where it is the foundation of our government is disingenuous. They are making statements about virtues and how and their connection to a higher power and never do they say A christian government. That's you doing it. . Take Lincoln, he never professed to be a Christian, he is just invoking God! He doesn't support your arguement one Iota. I like God too, I have my own systems of worshop, (doesn't look like yours) but I could say the same exact things Lincoln said BUT IT DOESN'T mean I want the bible in my consitution. Either did he

I don't want the Torah, I don't want the Koran, I don't want the Mahabarata, I don't want Madame Blavatsky in my government. Either did the founders despite their religious views. I can live well without my views being expressed by government. Acknowledging the golden rule, and how it's in all societies, cultures and religions (might be a view like Voodoo that go for it) has worked down through the ages as the basis of all law. And the early Christian clergy acknowledged it and knew if they didn't entertain all the views, their ass was grass. Pardon my french.

I can address the bible quotes too but I do not find them relevant especially trying to pigeon hole any one person onto a quote ie, the Babylon quote. That's you doing it, not the book. Your burden of changing the constitution is going to be much greater than quotes from little known men. It's going to much bigger than convincing me, who believes in a higher power and understands your texts. God is an individual, non-demo national experience. I vehemently disagree you and the Christian contingent that God is Christian. So when Edgar Cayce the problem with America is that we have forgotten God we trust, he didn't mean a Christian God, rather universal spiritual principles because he wasn't a Christian. He espoused all the things you are say are denounced by the bible, esoteric and all. Psychic, and occult. Yet, right now if we just look at track record, he might be doing better than the Prophets in the bible.

Look, I don't know how we cross this bridge and meet in the middle. I'm a sinner in your eyes with no chance of redemption or going into heaven no matter how nice I've been in my life as long as I don't accept Jesus Christ as my savior. I think it's clear the volumes of papers written by the fathers, NO RELIGIONS IN GOVERNMENT. Doesn't make a difference how many of them were Christian. That idea gives no support to an ideal system of government.

Chritianity is no different than any other religion that feels they have a monopoly on an entrance into heaven. You know what Assad's religion believes??, the guy we're try to get rid off in Syria, he believes Muslims that don't do good, get reincarnated as Christians as their penalty. And then, get a second chance. Preposterous right? But not too him. What kind of laws can he create based on his religion? Either way, non-Muslim, Non-Christian, I'm screwed. Who to believe??? Sorry, neither version. You can plant seeds quietly, you can pray for me, it's a waste of your time. But I don't hold it against you or anybody else and neither did the founders, but if asked to defend the founders principles, I will. Fortunately, it's only on a small forum with words only. 

It's clear that interpretation is a big issue whether it be the scriptures or government documents. I don't think we iron it out here but I'm satisfied that the founders did.

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What I consider "recorded"

AG 1969,

Good question,

 Open up a history book, any one taught in a school or university today, or open up a Bible, Torah, or Koran, and you will find a depiction of human enslavement going back to ancient Samaria, ancient Egypt, or the Garden of Eden, take your pick.

It's only when you get seriously into the esoteric, the study of hermeticism, the writings of Thoth or the global civilization otherwise known as Atlantis, which somehow didn't manage to make the history books, or religious texts. For this, you have to go to seriously into the occult, which by its very nature is well hidden.

Evidence of a highly advanced global civilization exists all over the entire face the planet, Civilizations where science and spirituality were all one and the same. As far as I can tell, these were free men. They seemed to be capable of working together to build some of the most spectacular monuments on our planet. Those that built the great pyramids for example were not slaves, but they are not mentioned in any history book or Biblical text.

Even the short-term experiment known as America which surpassed the accomplishments of all prior civilizations that were dutifully recorded in history, fails in comparison to the civilizations that existed in pre-history.

I think ultimately freedom and bondage are a cyclical thing, and humanity has been through many cycles.

Yes the archaeological record does show that there were giants in the ancient past, something briefly mentioned in the Bible, but despite their size, I think they still had human origins.

The theory that I'm working with right now, is that there were many times in history where there were extremely advanced segments of humanity, who occasionally passed themselves off as gods to those that were far less advanced.

Hence, slavery has come and gone many times.

Is the nature of a human being to evolve spiritually, and at a certain point, is no longer useful as a slave. So occasionally, there's a mass extinction thrown in for the sole purpose of starting over.

Theoretically, the ancient bloodlines that rule the earth today, may have existed for several of these cycles.

All we are currently witnessing is the end of such a cycle.

I'm not claiming to have all of the pieces assembled yet, I'm a bit dubious of the ancient astronaut theory, but I do think that there is an abundance of evidence to support a theory that human civilizations have existed here on earth for many, many millions of years.

I reject the theory that humanity was created as a slave race, but I am open to the concept that there was some genetic engineering along the way.

There's plenty of evidence that a spacefaring race once lived on this planet, there's plenty of evidence on both Mars, and the moon that they've had intelligent visitors, and arguably, these civilizations may still exist.

I think they are human, just as human as you and me.

Now there are some ancient bloodlines that seem to have lost the ability to feel compassion, maybe they were engineered that way to begin with, and people like David Icke might call them reptilian’s, but they are just soulless emotionless and profoundly evil human beings.

They seem to have risen to positions of power throughout our own civilization today. They are inherently flawed, and in a very real sense, not truly human

I think the UFO phenomenon is quite real, and could easily be an interdimensional breakaway civilization with its origins right here.

Too bad you won't find any of this in the history books.

History as it has been presented to us is an absolute lie, both the biblical version, and the text book version. In the Bible, there is a convoluted theory that human beings are inherently flawed, sinful, and incapable of independent sovereignty. Religion only exists to legitimize government. That's what we saw the Pope doing today.

It all seems so "normal", because it's all that we know.

I don't think I'm going to far out on a limb, when I say that there are a few of us that know otherwise.

I hope that explains my point of view regarding "recorded history”.

Edit:

After reading the first paragraph of Green Lantern's last post, I want to make it abundantly clear that I am offering no documentation at this point in time, only "High-octane speculation",(As Joseph Farrell would put it), but we have already seen plenty of documentation to support large segments of my speculation.

Trying to document events that occurred millions of years ago would be a fools errand, but suppressed archaeology does offer some intriguing possibilities. Right now, I'm just thinking out loud (literally). wink

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Green Lantern, how do you do it?

Okay, that last post to blew me away.

I've had hundreds of exchanges with JJ, but they just become circular, even after a couple of years of research, I know I've only scratched the surface. I'm curious to know how many years you have been studying this stuff?

Being certain of a position is one thing, but to be able to accurately document it, and articulate it, is quite another.

Being able to come up with a post like that in such short order is amazing to me.

I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate it! yes

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You sound like my Gramps when you talk about picking horses...it only took him a few minutes to know a good cutting horse when he saw it. I'd muck a thousand stalls to get one more day with him at his ranch.

ancaro imparo.
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Climate Engineering, El Niño and the “Scheduled Weather” for the

24th September 2015

By Dane Wigington

Guest Writer for Wake Up World

Weather “forecasters” are now trumpeting the arrival of a “Godzilla” El Niño event, but somehow they seem to already know that there will be no relief for the epic California drought.

How can such a prediction be made so early on? Because of ongoing climate engineering.

Ocean temperatures in the Eastern Pacific are at record shattering high levels (pictured top), so why wouldn’t this translate into more rain for the now empty reservoirs in Northern California? Since when does El Niño not bring more rain to the West??

The El Niño pattern has been trying to form since 2007 but has been repeatedly suppressed by what meteorologists have coined as “the ridiculously resilient ridge” of constant high pressure over the US west coast. Was this rain-starving scenario the result of climate engineers and their aggressive effort to suppress El Niño formation in a destructive attempt to hold the lid on soaring global temperatures? Yes.

The Eastern Pacific (off of the US west coast) is constantly the target of massive aerosol spraying operations. Given their secrecy, the question must be asked: Is “solar radiation management” the only goal of this spraying, or are the known drought-causing impacts of atmospheric aerosol saturation and ionosphere heater high pressure zones a desired outcome for the geoengineers?

The electrically conductive heavy metals being sprayed enhances the effectiveness of ionosphere heater installations (like HAARP) which would then increase the weather-makers’ ability to create and maintain consistent zones of high pressure. What does a completely sprayed Eastern Pacific look like on a radar map? The reflective metals show up like precipitation when there is none, the radar image below is a glaring example

https://wakeup-world.com/2015/09/24/climate-engineering-el-nino-bizarre-...

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CDC Admits 98 Mil. Americans Given Cancer Virus In The Polio Vac

The CDC has admitted that between 1955–1963 over 98 million Americans received one or more doses of a polio shot which was contaminated with a cancer-causing virus called Simian vacuolating virus 40 (SV40). The CDC quickly took down the page, along with Google, but the site was luckily cached and saved to symbolize this grand admission.

To further confirm this unbelievable admission, Assistant Professor of Pathology at Loyola University in Chicago Dr. Michele Carbone has been able to independently verify the presence of the SV40 virus in tissue and bone samples from patients who died during that era. He found that 33% of the samples with osteosarcoma bone cancers, 40% of other bone cancers, and 60% of the mesothelioma’s lung cancers all contained this obscure virus. This leaves the postulation that upwards of 10–30 million actually contracted and were adversely affected by this virus, to be deadly accurate.

https://www.healthfreedoms.org/cdc-admits-98-million-americans-were-give...

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“Washington’s Pope”? Who is Pope Francis?

Wall Street and the Catholic Church Hierarchy

Wall Street was firmly behind the military Junta which waged “The Dirty War” on its behalf. In turn, the Catholic Church hierarchy played a central role in sustaining the legitimacy of the military Junta.

The Order of Jesus –which represented the Conservative yet most influential faction within the Catholic Church, closely associated with Argentina’s economic elites– was firmly behind the military Junta, against so-called “Leftists” in the Peronista movement.

“The Dirty War”: Allegations directed Against Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio

Condemning the military dictatorship (including its human rights violations) was a taboo within the Catholic Church. While the upper echelons of the Church were supportive of the military Junta, the grassroots of the Church was firmly opposed to the imposition of military rule.

In 2005, human rights lawyer Myriam Bregman filed a criminal suit against Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, accusing him of conspiring with the military junta in the 1976 kidnapping of two Jesuit priests.

Several years later, the survivors of the “Dirty War” openly accused Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio of complicity in the kidnapping of priests Francisco Jalics y Orlando Yorio as well six members of their parish,  (El Mundo, 8 November 2010)

(Image Left: Jorge Mario Bergoglio and General Jorge Videla)

Bergoglio, who at the time was “Provincial” for the Society of Jesus, had ordered the two “Leftist” Jesuit priests and opponents of military rule “to leave their pastoral work” (i.e. they were fired) following divisions within the Society of Jesus regarding the role of the Catholic Church and its relations to the military Junta.

While the two priests Francisco Jalics y Orlando Yorio, kidnapped by the death squads in May 1976 were released five months later. after having been tortured, six other people associated with their parish kidnapped as part of the same operation were “disappeared” (desaparecidos). These included four teachers associated with the parish and two of their husbands.

Upon his release, Priest Orlando Yorio “accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over [including six other people] to the death squads … Jalics refused to discuss the complaint after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.” (Associated Press, March 13, 2013, emphasis added),

“During the first trial of leaders of the military junta in 1985, Yorio declared, “I am sure that he himself gave over the list with our names to the Navy.” The two were taken to the notorious Navy School of Mechanics (ESMA) torture center and held for over five months before being drugged and dumped in a town outside the city. (See Bill van Auken, “The Dirty War” Pope, World Socialist Website and Global Research, March 14, 2013

https://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-pope-who-is-francis-i-cardinal...

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America’s “License to Kill”

Let’s face it: the United States feels entitled to a license to kill.

On 23 September, Samantha Power, US Ambassador to the United Nations, insisted that the Russian veto power in the Security Council was endangering its legitimacy. Russia had vetoed four Security Council resolutions on Syria. Understandably, the US rabid dogs of war are straining at the chain to which international law constrains them. How dare Russia oppose US plans for regime change in Syria and impede a further blood bath to achieve it?

An indefatigable humanitarian warmonger, Power resents Russia’s opposition to a resolution to bomb the hell out of “atrocities” in Syria, without specifying that the main “atrocity” in her government’s eyes is President Assad.

No, no—it’s her humanitarian concern over the 250,000 Syrian already dead [she means to add more by bombing in their names]; it’s the refugees’ flight she means to stem [by blocking their path with bombs].

Russia is preventing all this humanitarianism: “It’s a Darwinian universe here,” she tells The Guardian. “If a particular body reveals itself to be dysfunctional, then people are going to go elsewhere, and if that happened for more than Syria and Ukraine and you started to see across the board paralysis … it would certainly jeopardise the security council’s status and credibility and its function as a go-to international security arbiter. It would definitely jeopardise that over time.”

She’s right to say, “It’s a Darwinian universe,” but it’s one for which the US is solely responsible, set on insuring the survival of its species along a path of death, destruction, and chaos, shredding international law as it goes. Soberly (how alien feels the voice of reason compared to the screeching tantrums of American functionaries), Vitaly Churkin, Russia’s UN Ambassador, responded to Power’s allegations by pointing out the obvious:

Some countries were trying to involve the Security Council in regime change operations in Syria and we were telling them that it’s not the business of the Security Council to go into regime change mode. This is a fundamental difference and it’s not the fault of the Security Council that this difference is there.

It certainly isn’t. The task of the United Nations, as per its Charter, is “to prevent the scourge of war”; the task of the Security Council is to resolve disputes, authorizing war only after all other options for peace fail. This awesome responsibility is subject to veto. The veto is a restraining mechanism for members too fond of wars. Besides, nowhere in the Charter does it say that a single member should take it upon itself to go on humanitarian crusades for unilaterally perceived and selectively declared atrocities or genocides, but this option is what the US is beginning to argue for—an option that would permit the removal of the veto in cases of Right to Protect (R2P), the US policy which materialized out of the NATO assault on Yugoslavia. You kill a nation in order to protect it. And Russia is crazy enough to oppose this humanitarian medicine. Legalistic perverts.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-license-to-kill/5478051

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Mr Fix - a quiet request please?

Only because we are at such a junction. The cycle end (or so I hope)

"All we are currently witnessing is the end of such a cycle.

I'm not claiming to have all of the pieces assembled yet, I'm a bit dubious of the ancient astronaut theory, but I do think that there is an abundance of evidence to support a theory that human civilizations have existed here on earth for many, many millions of years.

I reject the theory that humanity was created as a slave race, but I am open to the concept that there was some genetic engineering along the way.

There's plenty of evidence that a spacefaring race once lived on this planet, there's plenty of evidence on both Mars, and the moon that they've had intelligent visitors, and arguably, these civilizations may still exist.

I think they are human, just as human as you and me.

Now there are some ancient bloodlines that seem to have lost the ability to feel compassion, maybe they were engineered that way to begin with, and people like David Icke might call them reptilian’s, but they are just soulless emotionless and profoundly evil human beings.

They seem to have risen to positions of power throughout our own civilization today. They are inherently flawed, and in a very real sense, not truly human"

So. We come down to the basic question. Are we them? The soulless ones. Or are we the others?

The others don't get a lot of press. This may not be a bad thing smiley

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The soulless ones

Those in positions of power, those that sit at the top of all of the hierarchical governments, religions, and secret societies,

Those that can wage war for fun and profit… I think "soulless" describes them well.

Most human beings have a conscience. Given to us by our Creator, for the purpose of determining right from wrong.

This World is being governed by those strangely devoid of this basic human trait.

I personally do not condemn entire populations for the actions of their leaders, I have long believed that if elections matter at all, they would be illegal. They're just for show.

So no, we are not them, and most people who give them legitimacy are truly bamboozled.

Is somebody soulless just because they are asleep? Is the victim of multigenerational mind control culpable?

Yes, victims of the great deception will eventually have to face the consequences of their ignorance, the very nature of the deception makes awakening highly unlikely for most.

This does not mean that it is not worth the effort.

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This man will be lucky to get away with his life. Traitor!

Divine Intervention? House Speaker Boehner Resigns From Congress (Amid "Conservative Coup")

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/25/2015 - 09:37

The combination of another debt limit fight, the defunding of Planned Parenthood, and prospect of another government shutdown tearing his party apart, the GOP just suffered its latest major blow, when news hit that House speaker John Boehner, just 24 hours after getting a visit by none other than the Pope, is folding one last time: according to the NYT, "Speaker John A. Boehner will resign from Congress and give up his House seat at the end of October."

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Some day you will realize

Some day you will realize that if everything was taken away from "the soulless ones" (reptilians, psychopathic exploiters, sociopaths, uber selfish gits, whatever preferred term is used for emotionless wielders of power) - if everything was taken from them today, at great cost which is the only way such a thing can happen - then the people you forgive as the ignorant bamboozled would hand it all back to those tomorrow despite your protests for yourself and for those who paid the high cost, they would just give back the power.

They always do.

One minute after becoming free, someone would say "Who will lead us?" and a smiling face would emerge from the crowd ....

So who is "the enemy"? The ones on top? Only those ones?

Or is it the ones who always put them there?

The problem is bigger and the enemy a lot closer than many care to admit. Just about everybody wants to be led for some strange reason. Everybody except a small minority. And that minority can be subdivided further into those with power who act in gangs and groups of similar and those without who act alone and fail to band together to protect themselves from the gangs of "leaders".

So if the "bamboozled" have only access to two minorities who can lead and one of those chooses not to, then whose fault is it that what happens happens? The circle is almost arrived back at who exactly?

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Fri, Sep 25, 2015 - 10:31am (Reply to #459)
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AM I agree totally with your post. I think the group of men and women here at TFmetals,for the most part, have good cognitive ability and understand self management. The battle is between our ears not external to us. I concur that most people will cry out for someone to lead

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Looks like Boehner got his

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If it is all between our ears, then I say we the sheeple choose Dr. Dre to lead us. At least he is a doctor!

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