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Darn it ATA

vote for Winston .... 

Edit: at least if you get stuck with jacinda it's only 3 yrs of Marxism 

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Ruff

You are probably quite right.

It comes down to who is going to tax you most.

The problem with politicians is that you cant trust any of them.

Keep up the good work though Ruff.

I always rely on you for perspective on things.

"If it wasn't for Ruff,life would be tough."

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joining the dots

So many people

struggle through life.

People become lost without family.

Life is a gift to be treasured but is meaningless without family support.

"No man is an island"  Aldous Huxley (I think)?

Life is all about 'joining the dots'

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[quote=Mr. Fix]When we were

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When we were talking causality before, you said that a cycle is causality all by itself.

I don't ever recall saying that and my last explanation clearly delineated between the two concepts. 

Abguy4 thoroughly understands the physics driving the cycles you are looking at.

Also, the cycles can always be helped along somewhat, and can also be mitigated, depending on the consciousness involved.

What the hell does that mean?? Give me an example

Or in this case, who controls the technology.

I have diligently watched the video's.   All the video's operate the same way.  Somebody states, I have 100% percent proof of my assertion thereby priming your brain to reach the conclusion that they want you to make.  

They proceed to  showsyou a series of undocumented, unsourced photo's.  He takes his finger and says, SEE THIS, well that my friends is 100% proof.  Then I do my own search.  I find photo's suggesting 100% proof that are likely 100% photoshopped. I find pictures that are sourced documented with a stamp that says YOUTUBE.    They stole the photo's from some other conspiracy guy saying the samething using unsourced evidence.  You are telling me that of the 100's of HAARP phtoo's, the MOUNTAINS of evidence.  Somebody can't stand up at a podium and give sourced evidence and provide a modicum of expert testimony on what took the photo and what we are looking at??

If you want to say that any weather event's causality was engineered, than not only do you have to show sourced evidence, you need to establish a time line.  This is what I saw. 

"See this picture.  It was taken by Bob Demarco's, on April 23rd, 2015 at Oblivion Labratory in Idaho, Texas.  These are lenticular clouds.  36 hours after this picture was taken, it rained for 30 minutes over Mount Topa Topa."

"See these pictures.  I got them from www.Cloudpornography.com. 

Some of the map's on that last video looked like a "Relief Map" with names of cities typed in and clouds photoshopped.  The lenticular clouds were unbroken for miles and miles and miles.     I'm calling TOTAL BULLSHIT.  

You're trying to prove a case with unsourced evidence.   This like going into a courtroom, pointing to a defendant and going, see that guy over there, well here is a knife we found with blood on it.  OHHHHH.  He's guilty. Matching unsourced, undocumented evidence.  You first have to introduce the evidence, it must be marked.  You must lay the foundation for the evidence,  You often have to lay the foundation through expert testimony explainingg the science behind the evidence.   

1/2 the evidence on these video's are simply pictures. No discussion of who or what technology took the photo's.  The other 1/2 are photo's of unsourced anomalies stating these are HAARP frequencies.   I want you to tell me how Dobbler Radar works and besides precipitation what kind of frequencies show up on Dobbler radars, and I want you to discuss other type of anomalies.  There are manuals out there on how to read thee things.  You think a guy with absolutley no training gets to work that position without any form of trainign?   

Here's my challenge to you Fix.  Produce sourced evidence, date, source of phtography, and technology and some basic explanation of phenomena you are discussing without just pointing to a photo .  Then offer a time line of HAARP Activity and the weather event.  In another words, do not show me a picture of Hurricane Irma, and lenticular clouds taken in 1995, photoshopped on Bob's computer or point to some unsourced anomoly and say it's HAARP.  

and saying, SEE MOM, SEE, and then making a conclusive postulate.  That guy doesn't even come close to proving his initital statement 

Yes, The physics involved are undeniable, there are the naturally occurring type, as well as the human engineered type. 

Not true because you say so. 

We are getting into areas of highly suppressed information, a combination of occult, and Black ops super top secret.

Suppressed information that even the shoeshine boy knows about. 

Many of the videos posted don't go into the specifics of the technology, because well, it's complicated.

try me

In most cases, it's probably beyond the comprehension of the investigators, as well as their ability to articulate the specifics.

Self incriminating evidence.  I move to have the case dismissed.  Prosecutor admits not being able to make the case. 

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Abguy,  Gregg Braden in his

Abguy, 

Gregg Braden in his book Fractal Time (which is basically a introduction to cycles and ancient cycles of time) talks aobut our movement into this area of the galaxy

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Proof of HAARP

My turn to present a photo of documented evidence that begins to meet the criteria of what HAARP might look on Doppler radar.   I'll highlight some unsaid items: 

He sources all his radar pictures.  he tells you where you can find them. Which weather forecasting station.  

-He is using doppler radar, not random satellite images of clouds. 

-He is showing a time continuum.  

-He is not showing random anomalies on some radar.  He is describing the process. 

-He shows you weather producing equipment through using satellite imagery. 

--He translates the doppler image with some short wave monitoring software. (Take away. YOu can not monitor radio waves using doppler radar)  So when some guy says " seethis anamoly here" it might have notthing to do with HAARP or his ability to read anamolies.   It's either clouds or any number of things that you can find if you google reading doppler radar anomalies. I suspect nobody has looked. 

-He's a trained geologist who is not anonymous and he explains these things in a way that looks like it's not over his head, and that it can be explained to a layman. 

This guy is posting all the things that your video's do not.   The mimimum required evidence that any particular weather event is being manufactured by heating the atmosphere.    They look nothing like the video's you are posting here.  

Note this video got 1.6 million hits and he has a website AND this is a 2013 video of a Typhoon hitting the philipines.   

Now for some deduction.  

Go to his youtube channel and look through his video's.  What do you see?  

You see hundreds of video's on him tracking earthquake and volcanic activity, as well as forecasts for months now.  Before most layman begin talking about.   

Go back a few years. What do you see?  

He gets millions of hits when he talks about HAARP.  But soon as he starts talking about boring geologic activity.  He only gets a few hundred hits.   Which means his audience is conspiracy theorists when he is talking about HAARP, and earth science and geological nuts when he is talking about plate activity.   

This tells me is interested in this field and not some guy that dwelves into mulitple conspiracy theories from a layman's perspective and only talks about HAARP when there is a storm.  He is focused. 

His recent earthquake video about the activity off California seems good.  Californians be prepared.  

What else do you notice?   

During all the hurricane activity, do you see any video's on HAARP.. Nope?  But I didn't do a meticulous search.  

I don't see any references to man made engineering of the earthquakes.  One video he is giving an in depth discussion of plate tetonics.   

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Good morning Green Lantern

My my my,

This is turning into a debate analogous to who has the most definitive holy book.

Screw those videos, look at the patents.

I saw links posted that provide over 100 individual patents on weather manipulation.

Now simply ask yourself this:

If the evil Empire had access to this technology, which is clearly explained in the patents, do you think they might use it?

The old HAARP array in Alaska isn't what you need to be looking at, other than a proof of principle.

The basic concept has been massively improved upon, and is now largely space-based.

The patents that are on file, probably aren't even the ones being used, that technology is also antiquated, based on old-fashioned electromagnetic radiation.

If you start studying scaler physics, please understand that patents based on such technology are declared a national security secrets, never to be seen again. The patent office is literally a firewall ensuring that high-technology never sees the light of day.

It's what keeps black budget operations securely out of sight, as we are treated to a bogus alternative narrative designed not just  to obscure the truth, but to lead us to the conclusion that it isn't possible. 

This is an area that would necessitate you start connecting your own dots.

Happy Now,

Just YouTube September 23, get a cup of coffee, and prepare to laugh out loud.

As for which whack-a-do source, Biblical interpretation, as far as I'm concerned, is a whack-a do interpreting whack-a do.

I hope you didn't think I posted that with any sense of seriousness.

I've got dozens of doors to knock on, followed by hundreds of miles of travel today.

I don't have the time to read the last hundred posts looking for a specific phrase, or to review a multitude of the videos seeking what somebody else might consider  credible.

Talk about a fools errand.

Credibility itself is subjective, based on what you believe to be true.

Many of our discussions don't just point to what needs to be learned, but what needs to be unlearned.

Otherwise, you just have a recipe for an extreme case of cognitive dissonance.

By saying this discussion can continue well into next week, it should be self apparent that I don't believe the rapture will affect any of us. Or anyone else for that matter.

Scotty, beam me up. cheeky

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Great video GL. He certainly

Great video GL. He certainly offers good reasoning with convincing evidence of the weather control options open the the military. Of course with me I have been convinced since around 2005 plus or minus a couple of years when first researching HAARP and Chemtrails (cloud seeding). When you go back and look into the parents much of this is fully explained in the applications for patents and that is what convinced me that the government and military were serious about using weather for military applications. The deep state now has the full availability to access this technology to punish countries for not listening to and doing their bidding.

The use of frequencies also has the application of stimulating fault zones that may be loaded up to release along with the possibility of using the technology to load the fault zones. The military started with communications disruption and storm enhancement and their abilities have since grown as they have learned to manipulate their resources to geologic applications as well.

I am pleased to see your research has provided convincing evidence for you to see the probabilities of those running the show using these 'controversial' technologies for nefarious purposes. Now we need to consider the application of these technologies of frequency manipulation towards the human body and minds and just how they can disrupt our thinking and our physical health along with whatever devious conditions they may be able to implement to control or make our lives miserable. Again if you go back to the patents I would be sure that there are reams of information there to indicate their intentions.

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Fix,  You're reverted back to

Fix, 

You're reverted back to an earlier discussio point.  That I for some reason need to be convinced of the existence of HAARP despite me acquiescing that point, not only recentlly, but years ago.   The existence of such technology is NOT what we are debating.   You guys keep returning to a non-relevant point.   You guys keep retunring to a non-relevant point.  You guys keep returning to a non-relevant point.  Anybody get the feeling that I'm repeating myself?   

So let's do this in baby steps.   

Green Lantern, the name which I go by on TFmetals, concedes the existence of HAARP.   GL has conceded the exitsence of HAARP.  GL has contributed to this conversation over a long time period.  Years.   

GL does not need to look at a list of patents.  GL does not need to read another book.  View another video that says HAARP exists or that it uses it's technology to wage war.   

There  is no reason to celebrate GL's acknowledgement of a fact that he is' acknowledged numerous times.   

GL simply posted a video of an individual who was thorough as a way to demonstrate how you folks might do the same or find somebody similar to make the point for you.  

Can we NEVER have this discussion again regarding GL's believabiity in HAARP?  

The discussion is NOT whether I believe in it.  The discussion is over the premises that EVERY weather event that has some destrucitve abilities is HAARP.   

The discussion is whether or not what we are seeing out in the world at this time, earthquakes, hurricanes, volcano's, forest fires where guys in black limousines are throwing matches, is HAARP and the evil cabal.   

Now, let's all move into current time, if you wish (free will, will be entertained) and let's not discuss whether or HAARP exists but whether you have some sort of proof that 100% of all weather is manufacctuered.  All the hurricanes, including teh ones that are currently forming, are HAARP.  

All I did was show you,, how you might go about doing it.   All you have to do is find somebody offering the same level of information.  All you have to do is do as I suggested and look at his channel and explain why he is not talking about HAARP relative to today's activity with Hurricane's especially since he seems to have the abilitiy, and the equaipment, and the willingness to speak about it when he see's it.  Unless you think, that he's just totally ignoring it.  

Right now, I'm not sure we are reading the same information when we confuse two very different topics.  It's exists vs It is responsible for all the weather phenomena we are seeing.  

Including the fact, that I'm putting on my bathing suit right now, and heading for the beach.  

Show me some sign that you understand what I am saying.  A thumb, a wink, a grunt. 

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BigBang is Big Non-sense

Yes, and I've posted comments previously.  Lots of videos on that subject. BigBang is Big Non-sense. But, do not confuse motion with expansion. You can stir a pot of soup, but it's not going anywheres;

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yes

Enjoy the beach and beware of rip tides.

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Lookee here.........................

Lookee here what just popped into my mail box; Whadda co-incidence huh?

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/09/22/the-most-important-scientific-revelation-of-our-time-space-is-not-empty-its-the-seat-of-the-most-violent-physics/

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Deniers are gonna deny.........................................

let me know if ya think this is all co-incidence. First they put Glyphosate into the food and then they spray Aluminum into the air.  Then they say (quite as usual) :"Who could have seen that coming?~!"

Deniers are gonna deny..................................................

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/09/23/study-shows-what-glyphosate-aluminum-operate-synergistically-to-destroy-the-human-brain/

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GL,

Okay, a wink - wink

A thumbs up - yes

I don't do grunts - crying

No more harping on HAARP.

No need to, I'll concede that the vast increase in fires, volcanoes, earthquakes, and deadly mega storms

can easily be accounted for by a natural cycle of increased energy bombarding our solar system.

Yeah, it's one of those cyclical things. That is my concession to you.

I hope you brought plenty of sunblock, you will have experienced an increase in the energy levels of both the sunlight, and the waves. I find wearing a shirt, and using a boogie board helps a lot at the beach on days like this.

All I'm going to do  to compensate today, is put my top up, and put the air conditioner on.

Many changes are coming, we will learn to adjust.

Have a nice day.

Abguy4,

I am enjoying your posts lately that explain how the cabal is screwing us over every way imaginable, and ignorance is only going to keep people sick, stupid, flat broke, angry, freaked out and dying.  Lots to compensate for.

We do what we can. 

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Omg lulzzzzz

i just found out how big this 23 rd thing became. It started on /pol/ a few years ago. It's an occult theory from the book of Saturn.  It's not supposed to be a cataclysmic event at all. It was about gaining power.  

Anyhoo copy and paste.... Lulz for real...  Gotta go my boss is running for a cool million. He has a very nice colt but NO shot against the crooks he's up against. He never was or will be a drencher. The silver fox is the chalk as usual. Not a sure bet cuz there are 7 other drencher entered too. Outties

the star of davids  original meaning is the unification of male and female, and by extend generally polar opposites. its basically another version of ying and yang. only later was it used for a symbol of saturn, and judaism. rothschild used it back on his store back then and made it later a jewish symbol, corrupted and then act like it was theirs from the beginning like they always do.

they do this to:

1. make people who find out about it think thats the real meaning and start worshipping their deity as they believe thats what it was all about from the beginning

b) make them turn away from it and even disregarding the positive expects instead of only the corrupted things

III: rechannel their prayers/thoughts/energy to their deity.

One believe was that magic springs into existence where 2 polar opposites meet. good and evil, the above and below, male and female. especially the unification of the last is one of the most holy events in many cultures where the magic of life happens and the first step for the existence of a new human has been made.

trannies are a perverted version of that concept, taking what god seperated, and uniting it back together, mocking god and his creation. 9/11 for example had the same theme (pic related).

satan meant something like "obstacle". everyone had his own satan. someone who incites him to do bad things, a bad habbit, an addiction, anythinghe should overcome. only later satan became a figure of his own, an agent of god sent to test us and occasionally do gods work like the killings of the first born if i remember was done by satan. later on people thought "if satan does evil, and does so in the name of god, and god is evil too" and they rewrote it to satan being an enemy of god. this very world is ruled by satan, by obstacles, which it abuses to corrupt us.

6 is the number of man, and his weakness. greed, egoism, egocentrism, all the materialistic desires, and i believe of this plane existence in general (the earth is tilted 23,4 degrees, or if you count from the other direction 66.6 degrees, life, on this planet at least, is made of carbon, the 6th element, with 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. 6 directions in the 3 dimensional realm, north south, east, west, up and down. saturn is the 6th planet). 666 is going over the top with the materialistic desires, pursuing and desiring only those and making you follow the path of satan.

The black cube of satan is a symbol for this material, 3 dimensional realm, and the time we fear is running out, which will let us die, and which causes us to do harm to others in order to lead a better life ourself. by this the black cube also symbolizes time and death without either we wouldnt have these earthly desires causing us to do evil. Our sole puprose, as i believe it, is to overcome (our) satan, proof we arent easily corrupted wether satan is just a symbol or a real entithy. So while this world isnt evil itself, this realm of existence kind of makes the corruption a lot easier. When people worship satan, they dont worship some deity or enthity. they worship this material world, the materialistic egoistic desires, and themselves.

the christian cross on the other hand is taking the black cube, this 3 dimensional realm, and breaking it open forming the cross freeing us from its boundaries. interestingly no game; no life understood that concept and when they get transported into the other world the room they are in turns into a black cube, the world they felt they didnt belong in, their prison, and then bursts open releasing them into their own brand of paradise.

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Mr. Fix wrote:Happy

Mr. Fix wrote:

Happy Now,

Just YouTube September 23, get a cup of coffee, and prepare to laugh out loud.

No doubt.  I won't because I'm too busy.  I am totally familiar with the type, and there are numbers as well on lizard race, demons, aliens, contrails, kkk, prior or parallel superior races, you name it.  Christianity by no means has the lock on this.   I suppose which ones one finds  laughable might be of interest.

And they will all be back next year too, being wrong means nothing.  

Mr. Fix wrote:

As for which whack-a-do source, Biblical interpretation, as far as I'm concerned, is a whack-a do interpreting whack-a do.

Ok so you consider the Bible whack-a-do.

Mr. Fix wrote:

I hope you didn't think I posted that with any sense of seriousness.

I knew what you meant, did you?  What's clear is the joke part.  What's also clear is your contempt for Christianity, and that's no joke.   I never see you write such things about similar 'funny' situations concerning subjects you hold dear.  That,sir, is your blind spot, your cognitive dissonance.

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Mr. Fix, you needed to study my cats!

You said above:

I am enjoying your posts lately that explain how the cabal is screwing us over every way imaginable, and ignorance is only going to keep people sick, stupid, flat broke, angry, freaked out and dying.  Lots to compensate for.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, we have had a few cats over the decades.  The ones who just sat around in the house  (typical lazy ones), they look great, like to be fed grub that is quality and also love to do their business, right on the floor.

However, we had an old cat that had some cute kittens.  She taught them how to hunt and eat off the land.  We decided to keep one and named her Tiger.  That cat was a KILLER.  She killed everything that moved and was not afraid of anything.  The mice were gone, the squirrels, the birds and even rats and bunnies.  I was worried that she would attack the visitors. 

She was never told that she was bound to anything.  She ate what she killed and try taking that away from her and you would need some bandages. She was really free and would not follow anyone, including us, a true mountain man cat. 

The house cats like to visit the vet and have problems while Tiger has engaged with the natural world. I did not need to explain what freedom is to Tiger.    Jim

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@Ruff the election is over

but the haggling begins wink. Peters thinks he is kingmaker but he's really just an arrogant asshat. I think National will negotiate with Greens to govern. Principals for sale...

I spent an entertaining evening with a bunch of idealistic 20 somethings getting all het up over politics for the first time in their lives.

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@Ata

I hope you are watching NTL. Still only 2c cool

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