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Hey JJ...

Hope you are well.  Look forward to your posting when you have time.

My kiddo just returned from Israel with a group of students. They went with a program designed to help Christian kids appreciate their Judeo Christian heritage and understand the importance of Israel.  He returned with a new awe of how God has protected this little piece of land, this bastion of freedom surrounded by those who wish to wipe them out.  What a testimony to a God who keeps His promises.   If this nation falls, many evidences of Judeo Christian history will be erased.

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Good to hear from you, that sounds really interesting, would love to go there one day to see just the place where it all went down. Went to Italy last fall and fell in love with the place, may retire there. Tuscany region.

Christians are grafted into God's redemptive plan for Israel, it not the other way around. Paul warned about being high minded on this fact. Rom 9-11. We are all saved by grace through faith, in both the OT and the NT.

Nothing is different. They look forward, we look back to the Cross, yet we all need to be regenerated, via the Spirit.

Hard truth, but this nation will fall, Babylon the Great, eventually is toast, it is written. Celebrate all that was, and still is good in America, this 4th, yet the covenants to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, wont be erased, God has their back as a people. He breaks no promises smiley

Sorry to say that, but it will happen, you know this is not our home. We are just sojourners on out way to the celestial city.

Keep looking up !!!

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8/21 - 9/23

Solar Eclipses are for the Gentiles, lunar for Israel. This snippet below is from Compass International, a ministry run by Bill Perkins; I have never been to one of his conferences but have always listen to his tapes. We have corresponded over the years, When he was confused about America's role at the end of this age, I suggested he read Stewart Best’s book 'Babylon is Rising', years ago and he does now know who’s America is.

Bill is a staunch Pre Trib position, me, I do not know when the translation of the saints occurs, I do know that when the wrath of God falls and is poured out on a God hating - Christ rejecting world, starting with Babylon the Great, the ‘Greatest Christian Nation’ in the History of mankind, 1 Peter 4:17. He is not going to pour His wrath out on His Bride. I Thess 5:9.

Anyway, don’t have a lot of time to post, research this, and the Revelation 12 - September 23rd date on the net or YouTube. Problem with that is one doesn't’t know the source. There are some good ones out there.

The eclipse occurs 33 days before 9/23 and 40 days before, the day of Atonement. It enters the 33rd state, Oregon, and exists SC at the 33rd parallel. America’s days are numbered. Scripture say’s so. Isaiah 13, 14, 18, 47, Jerm 50 & 51, Hab 1 & 2, Rev 17 &18. Wish I could change, it but I can’t

“And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” Gen 6:3

The first Zionist congress for the regathering of Israel was in 1897….. so do the Math. That brings one to 2017-2018.

Not predicting anything, just pointing out celestial facts that are about to occur.

“One of God’s signs is a solar eclipse where the sun’s light is blocked by the moon. It’s interesting that if the earth and moon were .04% further apart, or closer together, there would be no eclipses to view.

On August 21, 2017, there will be a solar eclipse on the earth. This full eclipse of the sun’s light will only be seen in the United States, cutting a path from the Northwest to the Southeast.

This is the first time in the history of the United States that a total eclipse will touch only the United States. But what makes this eclipse raise even more eyebrows is that another eclipse will do the same thing—exactly seven years from now, again seen ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES. Seven years—how interesting!

http://compass.org/ee-uploads/Summer_Rapture_Fever.pdf

I Thess 5:6

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JJ- A couple other things to add

As predicted by the astronomers decades in advance, the shadow arrives with perfect accuracy, and touches down in the north Pacific Ocean at 16:48:33 UT*, at local sunrise. (At that spot, the Sun will actually rise while totally eclipsed. This is a sight few people - even veteran eclipse chasers - have seen, and from what we hear, it is quite uncanny.)

I thought this was very interesting:(At that spot, the Sun will actually rise while totally eclipsed. This is a sight few people - even veteran eclipse chasers - have seen, and from what we hear, it is quite uncanny.)

http://www.eclipse2017.org/2017/path_through_the_US.htm#UT

Also the Fall equinox is September 22, 2017 at 4:02 PM EDT in the US.
Jerusalem is 7 hours ahead of Eastern time, I think?

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We are close, we are, keep looking up !!!

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Scripture

"'But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.'" - Matthew 24:36

"'Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.'" - Matthew 24:42

"'...for the Son of Man is coming at an hour that you do not expect.'" - Luke 12:40

"'Take heed, keep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time will come.'" - Mark 13:33

"'...for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.'" - Matthew 24:44

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(my bold in an attempt to assist with comprehension).

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Feast of Trumpets aka The day that no man knows

1 Thessalonians 5: 4-6

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1th/5/5/s_1116005

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I'm becoming convinced

...that there isn't a single verse in all of the entire bible that you guys/girls cannot twist, distort and interpret falsely into supporting your unbiblical mystical (astrology, sorcery) viewpoints...

So, let's try these:

"‘Do not practice divination or seek omens.'" - Leviticus 19:26

"There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord." Deuteronomy 18:9-12a

"‘I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute themselves by following them, and I will cut them off from their people.'" Leviticus 19:26

"He made his son pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and used divination, and dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD provoking Him to anger." - 2 Kings 21:6

“You are wearied with your many counsels;
Let now the astrologers,
Those who prophesy by the stars,
Those who predict by the new moons,

Stand up and save you from what will come upon you.
Behold, they have become like stubble,
Fire burns them;
They cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame;

There will be no coal to warm by
Nor a fire to sit before!
“So have those become to you with whom you have labored,
Who have trafficked with you from your youth;
Each has wandered in his own way;
There is none to save you." - Isaiah 47:13-15

"Daniel answered before the king and said, 'As for the mystery about which the king has inquired, neither wise men, conjurers, magicians nor diviners are able to declare it to the king.'" - Daniel 2:27

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Not only is astrology a sin it is demonic as well. If you were to have anything to do with astrology in the Old Testament you would have been stoned to death. Astrologers and people who seek them are an abomination to God. And God never changes, so what was an abomination to Him then, is still an abomination to Him today:

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." - Hebrews 13:8

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so:

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” - Rev 21:8

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Some follow up

I don't give the verses and post above to judge anyone. You see, I once also walked in the darkness of mysticism, fanciful theories and other such things. However I was shown and taught truth and sound doctrine and sound Biblical teaching and I grew up in Christian maturity. As Christian's, we are commanded not to remain on baby's milk but to progress to solid food, especially in rightly dividing Scripture.

I've now shown you the error of your ways, in an attempt to help turn you back towards truth (and possibly away from destruction). But only you can choose to do so. That is my prayer. God bless!

I have little else to say on all this.

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And remember

"Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17

I'm just doing a little sharpening. wink

And "Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy." - Proverbs 27:6

Make sure you know who is which.

And don't you want the wisdom of God, vs the wisdom of man and his theories, myths and superstitions? Such are based on pride and selfishness, ambition and greed. As opposed is the wisdom from above:

"Jas 3:17  But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy."

Seek the wisdom from above, which manifests itself as correct doctrine, by rightly dividing the Word of God!

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Rightly Dividing

First of all one needs to know/learn the difference BETWEEN astronomy and "astrology".

Astronomy and "astrology" are as different as night is from day, they are not the same thing and never were nor never have been.

Conflating astronomy and "astrology" into 1 as the same thing is deception or ignorance and is very dangerous thus changing the word of God.

So those who conflate the 2 into 1 are calling the wise men "astrologers" who followed the star that God himself used and put into the heavens for the wise men to follow from prophecy. The wise men were astronomers yet those who conflate astronomy with "astrology" are calling them "astrologers". They were not, they knew what to look for from the bible itself so those who conflate the 2 into 1 are saying the bible is full of "astrology" which it is not. See the danger in conflating the 2 into 1 now?

Were the Wise Men Astrologists?

http://baptistbulletin.org/the-baptist-bulletin-magazine/dec-06-issue/were-the-wise-men-astrologists/

Colossians 2:16-17: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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Google pictures of the zodiac. The things that move on it are planets, not stars. The Romans called the planets their gods. That be covered by the collective term "other false gods" if you were not a Roman of that time, but instead happened to be a Nazarean Jew or early Christian. What Christians are taught nowadays is different from what they spoke of then.

Look at lots of the pictures, getting knowledge of what a zodiac looks like.

Read Ezekiel.

If you can't see what is being described there's no hope for you understanding what the bible (with a small "b" because it was written by men) is about.

Next read up on how to read a zodiac. The meaning of those strange glyphs that you can't understand at the moment. What they mean, and what they show.

Then go back and read the whole bible with an innocent heart. I suggested you start with ezekiel since you have definitely got what that's about by then. Maybe try revelations after learning the names of the constellations in the sky. it's easier when you know what these scribes were talking about!

Then go through all the references to circles of angels, etc, etc.

You might even try looking up at night to admire the "heavenly host" that's up there every night twinkling in the blackness. Of course those stars (angels) were banished from the heavens during the day by you know who ... yes - the sun (sun god with a small g). That would be the god that makes all things grow (sunshine for the plants and to keep us warm) and looks down upon us (well it IS up there above us) and .... wait for it .... is the source of  all the light! I do think you'll find the word "light" a few times in the good book. It would possibly be interesting go back and read up on the context in which it was written.

But you have to read for yourself, and not take for granted all the special meanings that are given to the words there by the priestly class. You see, that's the same priestly class that obstructed translation of the bible from latin into english so we could read it for ourselves. They considered it was important enough to keep hidden from our direct reading so much that they murdered any unfortunate ones who translated it (for us) into english, or german or any modern language. Think about that! They didn't want us able to read the bible, for some reason, and they had a tidy business for 1500 years or more telling us what it says and what we are supposed to do, and how we are supposed to live. Following their instructions that is.

Now this is possibly wasted effort on my part, typing these words. But when you look at what I'm saying here, all I am asking is that you get yourself qualified first to understand what the text of the bible says before deciding that you already know what it says. And after you are qualified, I am asking you to just read the bible, set aside decades of BS told you by priests and colleagues in their BS industry, and make up your own mind as best you can of it's contents and what they (at that point) mean to you.

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September 23 2017 Revelation 12 Sign l The Blood Moon Tetrad and Augst Eclipse points at the Sign!

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Job 38:32

interesting post AM

Job 38:32Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season?
or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

I always found it interesting that they kept the hebrew name for zodiac in a book that was translated from hebrew to english

https://www.space.com/22842-arcturus.html

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I'm done here

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Great posts Nan and AM, thanks for carrying the water for me in my own thread. wink

The Zodiac is Biblical; astrology is the perversion of it. If you want to post here on this subject, do your homework, The Zodiac is the Gospel in the stars. imho. We are moving from out of Pieces the fish, symbol of Christianity, the fish you see on the back of so many cars, into Aquarius which is Water, water, in scripture is always representative and symbolic of love in scripture. The procession occurs every 2000 years...... hummm.

The Love of God, The millennium, is the age of Aquarius, and will be Love of God manifest, on this earth for 1000 years…..the millenial rein of He that is Agape. He is coming back, He said so.

Psalm 19:1-6

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth KNOWLEDGE.

There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.”

The Lord named all the stars, it you want a cool study, research the entire Major and minor decans in theZodiac -  Constellations, the major and minor stars names and what they mean, they tell the story of the fall and redemption of mankind, the Gospel basically in the stars, every night so all mankind has no excuse. Read Psalm 19:1-6 again now.

AM remember when I posted the picture of Hale-Bop and Hyutake comets, they both crossed over Algol, in Perseus and crossed Satan’s head on 4-11 one year apart, forming a Cross? I remember that, do yo? you pinged me almost instantly. when I posted it. From 4-11 to 9/23/2017  is ………1260 days…….. hummm…..

“If you can't see what is being described there's no hope for you understanding what the bible (with a small "b" because it was written by men) is about.”

Please AM, my friend, leave room in your world view that you perhaps are incorrect on that. There is a God, I know Him personally, and He is getting ready to move dynamically and tangibly back into the affair of men. He is coming this time as a Lion, not a suffering servent so heads up.

This 9-23 date is nothing to scoff at, let the scoffers and gainsayers have their fun, they will never see it coming, they are the ones that will be ‘overtaken like a thief in the night’, yes, we might blow through it, but then we may not. We are just told to watch. Watch what?, the signs?, What signs?.........................

AM, personally, I would be interested to know what your GV index is for that day, and the general time frame even from your perspective, I know we differ but on scripture, I potentially see it as a possible date for the taking of Babylon the Great, a potentially bad, bad day for all America. Thoughts? Might have given you the best possible 'set up' for the biggest short trade ever for the NYSE.

“And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” Luke 21:34

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BREAKING: Major Prophetic Development In Jerusalem

http://www.unsealed.org/2017/07/breaking-major-prophetic-development-in.html

Interesting Connections:

From the Israeli seizure of the Temple Mount on Friday, July 14, 2017 to the Feast of Trumpets, 2017, is exactly 70 days. We are currently in the 70th solar year since the rebirth of Israel and May 12, 2017 was exactly 70 prophetic years since Israel was reconstituted on May 14, 1948.

Monday, 7/17/17 was when the first Jewish prayers were offered on the Temple Mount. This was also the same date as a 7.7 magnitude earthquake, which occurred exactly 177 days since the last 7.x earthquake.

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Interestingly the Water Gate is mentioned on this video.

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Jeremiah Jr wrote:... Please

Jeremiah Jr wrote:
... Please AM, my friend, leave room in your world view that you perhaps are incorrect on that. There is a God, I know Him personally, and He is getting ready to move dynamically and tangibly back into the affair of men. He is coming this time as a Lion, not a suffering servent so heads up....

JJ, I always have room to reevaluate as new better information arrives within my knowledge. Usually I add some sort of "disclaimer" such as "as I see things" or similar phraseology. I am humble enough to recognize my lack of knowledge of the all. If I fail to make that remark in any single post, please always assume it's there. I appreciate that we have differences of thought on some things, and I also appreciate how strange it is that our different thoughts somehow regardless of their difference often still lead towards a similar conclusion!

Jeremiah Jr wrote:
... This 9-23 date is nothing to scoff at, let the scoffers and gainsayers have their fun, they will never see it coming, they are the ones that will be ‘overtaken like a thief in the night’, yes, we might blow through it, but then we may not. We are just told to watch. Watch what?, the signs?, What signs?.........................

AM, personally, I would be interested to know what your GV index is for that day, and the general time frame even from your perspective, I know we differ but on scripture, I potentially see it as a possible date for the taking of Babylon the Great, a potentially bad, bad day for all America. Thoughts? Might have given you the best possible 'set up' for the biggest short trade ever for the NYSE.

G-V effects, both Geopolitical and Violence effect, are at extreme levels for the whole month of September 2017. From mid August they rise, and stay very high, through into October. This duration of extreme levels happened a few years ago, was posted by myself beforehand, and you might remember what followed, and is still with us from that period of extreme G-V.

Here are links to the posts about G-V for the coming six weeks. I reached out a little further than the usual two to four weeks this time for certain reasons.

#10257                    #10259

I copied the posts here for those who don't read The Setup forum thread. A summary of G-V and what it is (I know you, JJ, keep a track of it but it may be new to other readers of your forum) is that it's a human power transfer activity forecast model. The musk oxen of humanity charging towards each other bashing heads in contest for ownership of the herd. Everything from self defeat (suicide) through boardroom takeovers and up to total victory via eg war between nations are forecasted by G-V.

The posts at Setup:

" ...  The G-V tells me that August and in particular September will contain many events which will have a lasting changing effect with regards to geopolitical and individual power and its distribution.

The US eclipse next week has not been discussed due to it being a sort of "off the wall" phenomenon for traders. I have posted in DOTS ... thread a little on this.

That ties in, as it happens, with Myles Wilson Walker's conclusions about how WD Gann used the eclipse (possibly) for timing. Again, some people say he didn't do it that way, but MWW and Patrick Mikula, and a few other lesser-knowns dotted about here and there are the best sources on this currently available.

The G-V does what is required. I have looked for precision and reliability in timing and G-V that has it. But MWW is good and is PM, and better known for their Gann research. MWW sees eclipses as triggering later, after a time period passes. Like lighting a fuse, the length of which MWW did a lot of work on. G-V concurs in it's own unique way. This period of extreme G-v will be a lengthy period of contested power for a duration not often seen outside large wars.(should it work out as forecasted). Usually that means serious resistance and support levels get tested and resolved to set the next direction...."

and the second post:

" .... G-V says Sept is one long lunatics-in-power-fest from start to end. And into October too.

If I have to pick crisis moments, from out of the big extended crisis .... 3, 11, 16-17, 21,27. So the 11th is in the hot periods. But based on what I think this means  that's like saying the building is on fire for a month and we will hear extra sounds from within on those particular days and the 48 hour periods around those days.

"V" effect is skyhigh and then spikes higher after the 20th Sept and stays there. If I pick out 21st-22nd and 24-27th as being even worse than the rest, this can be misleading as it causes a diminishment of the craziness for the other times. They probably will contain more violence than the preceding setup period.

All I can say is this: those who have watched over time the G-V forecast and outcomes should be clear on this one from the way I am stating what it is saying. Those who have not yet seen many instances of it in action, this is the impossible in front of your eyes,  just watch and work with it when you become satisfied as to what it does.

It might be time to look at VIX for the big asset classes.

.... and I said I'd stop doing specific days more than a month out....

Well, you asked. That's the answer vagueness due to the stuff hasn't happened yet. Seven weeks ahead of now! Let it run and we'll see end of September how it went. ..."

And now I'll go back to lurking and reading in the background. Take care.

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