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Sat, Aug 2, 2014 - 6:59pm (Reply to #5951)
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ivars wrote: Interesting

ivars wrote:

Interesting predictions midterm incl. gold. Short, easy reading, recommend. 

https://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/08/

He's still calling for gold in the 900s. I don't know about that.
Sat, Aug 2, 2014 - 7:50pm
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Sounds like Martin has all

Sounds like Martin has all the bases covered. The low will be in 2013/2014, or maybe it's early 2015?

https://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/04/16/metal-report-2013/

Sat, Aug 2, 2014 - 8:35pm
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I love to read Martin

I love to read Martin Armstrong's blogs. They are some of the most informative I've ever read regarding the economy and how the world really works. I believe he is one of the smartest out there, but predicting gold has to be the hardest thing to do in the world. I will say he seems to be right more often than anyone else when it comes to short term movements in gold, while he stands nothing to gain like so many perma bulls out there who are selling gold related products. So he is clearly objective and unbiased in his analysis, therefore people should definitely pay attention to what he has to say.

Sun, Aug 3, 2014 - 2:35am
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If it will be necessary for

If it will be necessary for pushing Russia into China(Roths) monetary sphere, second reserve currency sphere, take loans there, use that currency, etc. Rotschilds will see by attacking USD that USA (Rocks) delivers. And that could raise spectrum of USA actions against Russia which are unthinkable/unnecessary at the moment; it all depends how fast The market for China money supply is created by the USA, particularly given the potential time limit of 2 more Obama(Roths) time at helm. If Repubs take senate in 2014, things will slow down and Obama will have to apply more extreme executive action; if someone unacceptable wins 2016 presidential, everything may come to certain halt and deal reached so far renegotiated/dismissed by Rocks...so he will be killed , most likely, with a Roth plant VP ( as Theodor Roosevelt who broke up Sandard Oil, remember) ready to take over.

To summarize: Roths have 2 years for Obama to deliver markets ( debtors) from USD and Rocks to new coming Chinese monetary empire.That requires from Obama aggressive USA policies to turn away as many countries as possible, turn them Chinas (Roth) way.

The measure of his success or failure is very simple - the price of gold in USD; if Roths are happy with the way things develop for second monetary empire , price of gold will be stable/go down. If unhappy, price of gold will move up. This signaling is almost instant, no need for communications. Since tensions involving USA Israel move situation towards its aim, there is no wonder gold price does not react to wars, genocide, sovereign defaults (Argentina) . Because Roths are happy-market for second reserve currency is being created with every day of these events happening. China in turn has to come as strong but benign, opening its claws to all future monetary empire vassals. 

So far since 2011 September they seem to be relatively satisfied. but there can be setbacks so Obama has to act faster; there can be acceleration in eruptions;

In Ukraine case, after rebels are pacified, Ukraine probably will try to get Crimea back ..perhaps by force. And of course it will get plenty of NATO and USA military support to alienate Russia further, push it eastwards.

Putin BTW knows this so he is playing along while standoff with the USA helps him maintain domestic popularity . Putin will deliver Russia into China monetary supply Empire. He is also Roths guy. Remember how he came to power in 1999..Yeltsin abdicated. 

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Putin moved to Moscow in 1996 and joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration where he rose quickly, becoming Acting President on 31 December 1999 when Yeltsin resigned unexpectedly.

Whenever You see these "unexpected", "surprise" , usually there are background guys at work, telling politicians what to do. Putin was groomed, was ready and for him to win 2000 elections he needed to get known and control administrative resource. Which he got with Yeltsin abdication. For abdication Yeltsin and his family was granted immunity against law. 

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The first Presidential Decree that Putin signed, on 31 December 1999, was titled "On guarantees for former president of the Russian Federation and members of his family".[55][56] This ensured that "corruption charges against the outgoing President and his relatives" would not be pursued.[57] Later, on 12 February 2001, Putin signed a similar federal law which replaced the decree of 1999.

Deal done.

Any future development must involve changing something which people have never challenged up to the present,and which will not be shown up by an axiomatic formulation. P.A.M.Dirac
Sun, Aug 3, 2014 - 2:44am (Reply to #5955)
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Like the Roths buying

Like the Roths buying vineyards through chinese fiat in America. How does an old school family stay drunk?

Sun, Aug 3, 2014 - 2:46am (Reply to #5955)
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The vice is the price.

The vice is the price.

Sun, Aug 3, 2014 - 5:20am
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I suggest reading this page

I suggest reading this page of 1899 book "The Coming Battle" by M.W.Walbert; Brilliant book by the way:

https://archive.org/stream/TheComingBattle#page/n39/mode/2up

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Who has that power controls RATIONALLY what happens in all other spheres. That is what we have been seeing and are seeing today. What is going on today INCLUDING gold price behavior is all RATIONAL, just need to identify find the real holders of power for whom it is rational. 

Any future development must involve changing something which people have never challenged up to the present,and which will not be shown up by an axiomatic formulation. P.A.M.Dirac
Sun, Aug 3, 2014 - 8:42am (Reply to #5958)
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Ivars

There is nothing rational or cogent in your posts. Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable on a conspiracy board, because you are only detracting from the discussion here. Please stop posting in this thread.

Sun, Aug 3, 2014 - 8:04pm (Reply to #5959)
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fahrenheit451 wrote: There is

fahrenheit451 wrote:

There is nothing rational or cogent in your posts. Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable on a conspiracy board, because you are only detracting from the discussion here. Please stop posting in this thread.

I for one enjoy reading his posts...As I say,if you don't like it,skip over his posts,won't take you much time since the thread is VERY quiet anyway......just sayin :))

Sun, Aug 3, 2014 - 8:05pm
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$900.00 gold

After reviewing last couple month of posts in this forum, AM's main blog, R'n'P, I see no context within this frame work of a price of $900.00. None, somebody feel free to point out what I might be missing.

Based on the past Fibonacci charts (be interesting to see where price is at the next pont), all the charts showing how we have completely taken out past downward trend lines and having revisited bottoms quite sufficiently, the stage of evolution of this bear market and even AM's new main page R'n'P which I just viewed, I see no context for such calls other then by the perma bears that never quite get to posting a thorough analysis except to state it will because it will awaiting that day they can show up here and tell us all, they told us so. I certainly welcome it.

I didn't see much on Armstrong's page other than a linear prediction without providing any of the context that has been given above last three months, and an article on war cycles. His articles are interesting and thought provoking but I see no analysis or analogs between event cycles in the past vs market cycles. What can I tell ya, AM has spoiled me with the different ways he analyzes markets. Should I put equal weight into other predictions that provide less of a rationalization for their predictions (Listen to new video on quote on predictions)

Rambus, your link takes us to a sales page for a $300.00 analysis by Armstrong. Did you actually buy it and read it or were you just helping his sales along by bringing it to our attention? 

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The thing about targets (as

The thing about targets (as they are usually calculated) is that they work on a "glass ceiling" or "glass floor" mode of operation. Which is to say that until it breaks, reversal is assumed. In general, professional traders prefer to trade reversals to range middle or other side rather than to trade the breakout alternative. That said, those who trade for a living are very fast at recognizing genuine breaks and very fast at getting out of erroneous positions.

If targets are required for lower prices I have no problem calculating them several different ways, all of which are valid. I do them in RNP and price then hits all the levels and bounces between them. In the case of gold and silver I have not needed to renew this often because price levels described a year ago still work.

Normally I try to not do "targets" because people take them (a) literally, (b) fixed) even after they are broken and removed and (c) they refer to targets long after their sell by date as if they are still a claimed valid target! If readers choose to read into written words meanings other than what they say, that predisposes me to not say the words in the first place, even if everyone wants it, and even if that's what the mainstream analysts do.

What I do, again and again, is say when a break was genuine and unlike the other breaks that look the same, or say when a coming date will contain an important market decision. All that's required is to follow the new direction. Possibly try to relax between these times. Don't worry 24/7 when it hits a price for the tenth time, there's no need - it's only the hit on the inflection day that matters!

So often I relax a bit in-between times and let others do the talking.

argentus maximus Rhythm and Price https://www.greenhobbymodel.com/rhythmnprice.html This analysis - global markets
Sun, Aug 3, 2014 - 8:43pm
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AM Blog piece is

AM Blog piece is uploaded.

It's a video and the Main St thread is here: "Laundry Day" and Some Gold and Dow Rhythms

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Sun, Aug 3, 2014 - 10:33pm
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wildbadbill

You must have gone far in life with the integrity that you display. 

I've just been through a most harrowing experience with a loved one in cardiogenic shock, a state that has less than 50% survivability in the first 24 hours. Lucky for us we got through. Certainly puts things in their proper perspective (again).

Sun, Aug 3, 2014 - 10:58pm
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Redwood,  Very sorry to hear

Redwood,

Very sorry to hear of your personal situation with a family member.

And Solson, a belated well wish on the loss of your mother.

Yes, life situations put financial and geopolitical matters in their proper perspective.

And sometimes world financial matters are a nice reprieve from such events.

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Ebola seems to have caught everyone's attention and I guess it is not a good situation in W Africa. Besides one individual being flown to the US, it's a non-event thus far here. But all the talk got me thinking...

Couldn't find much about epidemic and pandemic statistics from Foundation of Cycles which I am sure they have, but just some anecdotal observations scrolling through dates, S&P sell offs, panics, recessions would seem to have some correlation to worldwide epidemics. 69 sell off in S&P -11.9 with the Hong Kong Flu. 57 Asian flu, and -14.7 S&P. HIV in 2001 and -13%, 2002 Sars and -23 % S&P

You get the point. Would have to spend alot more time looking at cycles but it probably exists somewhere. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States

Mon, Aug 4, 2014 - 6:53am
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all the best for you

all the best for you Redwood,thank you...

Mon, Aug 4, 2014 - 1:37pm (Reply to #5961)
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$900

GL: Thank you for your perspective and insights on this subject. 

Mon, Aug 4, 2014 - 2:47pm
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@Redwood I hope everything

@Redwood

I hope everything works out OK.

argentus maximus Rhythm and Price https://www.greenhobbymodel.com/rhythmnprice.html This analysis - global markets
Mon, Aug 4, 2014 - 2:58pm
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SPX moving back to fill a VAP

SPX moving back to fill a Volume At Price (VAP) deficit centred at 1905. Support via the recent trading range is confirmed by VAP peak which begins to rise at 1894 and is strongest at 1872.

The low volume breakout at 1734 remains sticking out in a sore thumb fashion - somewhat like a missing rung in the ladder SPX has ascended. It will be interesting to see how much time passes before that gets revisited.

The moving average which matches this peculiar trend is going to arrive at 1905 about end of August which looks a bit late given the rate of descent of price over recent days. Time for a pause soon?

argentus maximus Rhythm and Price https://www.greenhobbymodel.com/rhythmnprice.html This analysis - global markets
Mon, Aug 4, 2014 - 3:22pm (Reply to #5960)
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Ivars, etc...

I wanted to chime in and say I also find it interesting to hear Ivars perspective about the Rocks/Roths. The paradigm makes sense from a world view. I think it also ties in with AM's work. It was Green Lantern who recommended "Bablyon Banksters". Why did the Roths then sponsor Dewey's work on cycles? IOW, I think it pays to understand what their plans might be and tie that it to news information, time and price.

Mon, Aug 4, 2014 - 10:39pm
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Green Lantern,  wildbadbill

Green Lantern, wildbadbill and argentus. Thank you for your kind words. We are making a slow recovery....I think the worst is behind us.

But it was a wild return to my old training days when I used to think about the small stuff that people concern themselves with. This forum is not small stuff, but the occasional discontent about idiosyncratic viewpoints leaves me perplexed sometimes.

More importantly it's dangerous. I watched my loved one fall through the cracks as each of the 5 practitioners followed their diagnostic formulation, each based on their level of expertise and training. And worse still they were all reasonable calls given the information. It took one ICU specialist who incidentally entered the room while consulting on another ill patient to call it right and literally saved the day. 

Keeping open minds...its tough especially with life's exigencies. But here's the thing. With it life becomes full, understandable and productive. The alternative is ignorance, frustration and early demise.

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