Raiding the GLD

Fri, Feb 22, 2013 - 12:26pm

Time to broach this subject again.

Just yesterday, the GLD saw a withdrawal of 8.88 metric tonnes. This followed a drawdown of nearly 23 tonnes on Wednesday. In fact, since the start of 2013, the GLD is now down 59.61 metric tonnes or 4.42% of "inventory".

Hmmm. Now where has that gold gone?

  • Has it simply been returned to the Authorized Participants' vaults as investors reduce their exposure to precious metals?
  • Have GLD investors liquidated shares and taken delivery?
  • Or, as argued back in November, are the APs using the GLD as a store of gold that they can easily access anytime they struggle to find legitimate physical metal to deliver to clients demanding immediate allocation and delivery?
  • If the third bullet is true, then GLD drawdowns would be symptom of very strong, global physical demand.

    So, for your consideration, let's revisit this issue. First, here's a reprint of the points that Andrew Maguire made initially. The full link can be found here:


    The bullion banks finance their ‘physical inventory’ by leasing it or selling it to GLD and SLV shareholders/investors, then the bullion banks in turn use these ETF’s inventories as a ‘flywheel’ to both manage and leverage their physical reserves. For this walk-through, I will use GLD as an example. (One can substitute SLV for all that is described below relating to GLD except the basket sizes are smaller, constituting 50,000 shares).

    Baskets of GLD shares are bought and sold through a limited number of Authorised Participants. The authorised participants, (AP’s), are JPMorgan, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Newedge (a joint venture between Société Générale and Credit Agricole CIB), RBC, Scotia Mocatta, UBS and Virtu Financial. This is how it is supposed to work. The size of each GLD basket comprises of 100,000 shares, each share representing just less than 1 troy oz. The AP’s, transfer ALLOCATED physical gold to the trustee who in turn creates the required number of new baskets of shares and then transfers these newly created shares back to the AP. To redeem the shares for physical gold or silver, the AP’s transfer any number of the baskets of 100,000 shares back to the trustee who then redeems these shares and transfers allocated gold back to the AP.

    This is all well and good on the face of it, but there are a number of ways this ‘allocated’ gold backing the shares in the ETF can be diluted /hypothecated in order for the bullion banks to ‘manage’ their physical reserves.

    If, as is often the case, there is insufficient allocated inventory available to the bullion bank at the current Comex driven & discounted spot fix price to create the necessary new GLD shares backed by allocated gold, then it is possible for a bullion bank to borrow short these GLD shares from the ETF instead of providing the required Allocated physical to the trustee to meet this obligation thereby ‘fly wheeling’ this physical demand in order to meet obligations elsewhere, likely at the day’s gold fix. This obviously has the effect of manipulating price lower vs. the true immediate supply demand fundamentals as no allocated physical metal has to be bought on the open market at that days fix to meet this new share demand as should be the case.

    This is now the point where transparency evaporates. The AP claims to be Short GLD while concurrently claiming to be backing it with an equal size long ‘UNALLOCATED’ spot gold position. However, LBMA unallocated gold accounts are run upon a fractional reserve requirement and leveraged around 100/1 so there is very little need to back this transaction with any real physical at this point; this is left until later as explained below. To unwind this short GLD position, the bullion bank has to ALLOCATE the required amount of unallocated gold and then transfer this gold back to the trustee thereby receiving back the required # of shares in order to repay the original GLD shares sold short.

    However, in conjunction with concurrent concentrated short futures positions, the sole object of this entire charade is to assist in depressing the price of gold at times of strong physical demand so that the futures price can be capped, usually at key inflection points where the price would break out and also swamp the very large concentrated Comex short positions. If this were not the case, the bullion bank would simply bid up that days fix price until it reflected that days true supply demand price levels for that fix and provide allocated gold to meet this real demand at that higher price.

    The resulting distortion now created between the real and paper market price is exacerbated through the use of heavy position concentration and leverage in the futures and derivatives markets, where these very same bullion banks then seek to profitably repay the shorted GLD shares at a lower price at the point at or below where the lines cross profitably. This then puts these bullion banks in a position to finally spot index UNALLOCATED gold against this naked short position only then moving to buy the now discounted unallocated gold into the Comex contrived dips. These discounted unallocated long spot index positions are then ALLOCATED at the upcoming fix, enabling both the repayment of the GLD short position at a profit but most importantly controlling the rise in price against much larger derivative positions elsewhere.

    Conversely, as evidenced by the steady 12-year stair step rise in prices easily observed in the daily and weekly charts, despite this many-year capping, we have also seen an ever larger and untenable LBMA unallocated short positions grow to what I now consider to be extreme danger levels. The reason is as follows: When the Bullion bank needs to make good on the unplanned/unanticipated CB and sovereign physical allocations at the fixes, they have regularly achieved this by going long GLD vs. short/selling UNALLOCATED gold. They then immediately turn around and transfer the required number of baskets of GLD shares to the trustee and receive ALLOCATED gold in return. Instead of settling/covering the short UNALLOCATED leg with this ALLOCATED gold, they are forced to satisfy these CB and Sovereign allocations by providing them this metal instead. The longer term price charts reveal this stair step higher, whereas we see no reduction, in fact from 2008 an increase, in the naked short Comex, (and unallocated OTC), bullion bank positions.

    I hope this has been helpful in providing an insight into the internal dynamics of the ETFs and how the bullion banks continue to operate in the shadows.

    Quite a few folks found this explanation a little too technical and slightly confusing. To help the cause, a few days later I took a stab at deciphering Andy's message:


    Finally today, please allow me to take a stab at explaining in greater detail the "Guest Post" from Andrew Maguire. I posted it on Wednesday as we were leaving for Thanksgiving and I can see now where it caused some confusion. As you know, one of my favorite techniques for explanations is the chronological layout so let's give that a try. Additionally, I think I'm laying this out accurately. This is how I understand it. I'll check with Andy on Monday to ensure that this is at least close to being accurate. If it's not, I'll post some additional clarification then.

    1. The "Authorized Participants" have a special relationship with the fund whereby they issue metal, 100,000 ounces at a time, to the fund in exchange for 100,000 share blocks.
    2. This should function as a two-way street where the AP can get its metal back by redeeming shares and the AP can also supply additional metal in exchange for additional shares. THIS, HOWEVER, IS WHERE THE TRICKERY AND MANIPULATION BEGINS.
    3. On big UP days in paper price, there is often a big physical demand in London and a big demand for additional shares in GLD.
    4. This is a double whammy of demand. The Bullion Bank (and Authorized Participant) should have to not only supply metal at the London allocation but this same BB/AP might also have to deliver metal to GLD to cover all of the newly-issued shares.
    5. I think you can see where that's a lot of metal and, in an environment of limited inventories, rapid BB/AP supply depletion would lead to shortages and even higher prices.
    6. So, here's the trick they employ to manage the situation, even doing so at a profit: The GLD delivers the gold back to the AP without the AP actually redeeming their shares. The AP is considered to be "short" the shares, instead.
    7. These shorted shares provide the "offer" against the investment world "bid" for GLD shares that day on the NYSE. Since no new shares are needed to be created that day, no new demand for physical deposit is created, either.
    8. On the other side of this trade, GLD delivers metal to the AP as if it had redeemed the shares, though. The AP uses this metal to settle the physical allocations for that day.
    9. So, where there should have been two, separate demands for physical, the demand was met by short-selling GLD and then using this GLD metal to meet allocations in London.
    10. The effect is then chronicled by Harvey and others as "gold went up $20 but, mysteriously, GLD shed 2.72 tonnes".
    11. Here, then, is how they reverse these "trades" and return everything to where they were. The BB/AP that is short the metal to the GLD needs to put it back in at some point. The next time a paper price raid is effected on the Comex, the AP itself takes delivery of some metal in London.
    12. This metal is then returned to the GLD in exchange for a "covering" of it's short position.
    13. This, typically, takes place on a DOWN day where Harvey et al notice that "though gold declined $15, the GLD added 2.72 tonnes of metal today. Go figure."

    Anyway, I hope this helps explain the process. Again, the Bullion Bank that is also an AP of the GLD can "flywheel" metal into and out of the GLD and/or SLV anytime they need to in order to meet physical demand elsewhere. In the process, the BB/AP conveniently provides liquidity for GLD/SLV share demand, which negates additional GLD purchasing which would have otherwise been necessary. It's a true WIN-WIN-WIN for the BB/AP as they are able to cap and control price while appearing to have no problem meeting London demand and then they turn around and cover all the positions at a profit on the next bout of price weakness.

    Again, THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HOW IT WORKS. The banks are supposed to supply metal to both the GLD and the London buyers. There is not, however, sufficient supply to make this happen at the current price levels. So, instead of allowing price to rise to the natural equilibrium of buying and selling interest, the BB/AP uses the tricks outlined in Andy's guest post to manage and cap the situation. On the bright side, THIS CANNOT CONTINUE FOREVER and, WHEN it fails, the reset in price will be spectacular to behold.


    By the time the next week rolled around, there was an active discussion on the internet regarding the accuracy of this analysis. (No doubt this post will reinitiate the "discussion" and bring out many of the same commentators.) Here's a link to the follow-up discussion, posted a few days later. Before you form an opinion on the matter, you'll definitely want to read both sides of the issue:

    So there you have it. All of this should all make a very interesting reading assignment for you as we wait for today's GLD numbers. Could there be another huge drawdown? If so, what does it mean? Does it even matter? I look forward to reading your comments.


    p.s. Andy just recorded this morning another interview with KWN. Be sure to check that site later today for the full interview.

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    Feb 22, 2013 - 1:57pm

    @Fr. Bill

    Do please update on the ViaMat situation as you get info.

    Maybe GM and BV will set up their own vaults or go with someone else but it looks like the writing is on the wall and another door is closing, especially for US dwellers. Doug Casey, and others, have been warning about this for years. I barely have enough with GM to pay storage fees with but it was just a "cool" thing to have stash elsewhere. Oh well, time to lower my head even further below the radar beam

    The Vet
    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:05pm

    Just to put Turd's figures above in perspective....

    So far this year GLD has had almost 60 tonnes of their gold pilfered by this scam of the AP's and if you check the figures there is still around another 65 tonnes sold short (over 20 million GLD shares short at just under 1/10 oz per share) where they have taken gold and not yet replaced it. These figures demonstrate that it's not just a "flywheel" it's a permanent but uncontrolled contribution from GLD to the physical market. Shorted GLD shares DON'T show up in the COT short position.

    fast mover
    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:09pm
    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:13pm
    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:13pm

    Bankster FlyWheels

    The Thames, East, or Chicago rivers... it doesn't matter. Bankster FlyWheels is all that does.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:19pm

    RE: Storing the Shiney

    Texas Sandman, unless you have tonnes of the stuff, which most of us don't, burying the shiney in some known only to you location is probably the best option and one that's been used for millennia. The downside is if you get whacked without anyone knowing where it is, well, it has returned to its native state. The problem I have with BV and Miles Franklin's Canadian Brinks storage facility is access. IMO, people using these vaults vastly underestimate what is coming down the pike. We will revert to the 1880s technology, and most of these vaults may as well be on the moon as far as accessibility after the fit hits the Shan. Your shiney will do you no good if it is 6000 miles away and your only transportation is walking. IMO, storing shiney in a vault in Singapore or Switzerland is essentially giving it away, because the owners will likely never see it again.



    Katie Rose
    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:20pm

    I get it!

    They are all crooks.

    The AP's are crooks.

    The BB's are crooks.

    The CFTC is crooked.

    The CB's are crooks.

    There is no Sheriff because the Justice Dept is crooked as well.

    Seems to me the only thing to do is move to WA State, smoke a legal joint , and chill out.

    Otherwise it is just too untenable...

    Or build a greenhouse, plant a seed of two, and watch the miracle of life unfold before your eyes. Add some goats , and just let the world be what it is.

    I really don't see a whole lot of other choices....

    Edit to add:

    And because this is a metals blog it goes without saying, add to your stack as often as you are able. There is no way of knowing what is going to be most valuable in the future - the PM's, the marijuana, or the goats!

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:23pm

    About 6 months ago

    Did Cameron not say he was looking to purchase more gold?

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:26pm

    Cross and Double Cross. Getting Cross?

    Since 1972 gold has had 22 "death cross" formations.

    Which all led to a gain of 1.29% (in the month after) and 3.17% in the following 6 months!

    The "golden cross" formation appears to be similarly irrelevant for gold. The returns between 1 and 6 months after the formation are neutral to negative. Since the most recent "golden cross" in gold in September are down 11%.

    So, all this wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth, as concerns the infamous CROSS OF DEATH is nothing but a bunch off hot air. Mainly from the gold bears hoping to beat the price lower. Bear in mind (pun intended) that the CROSS OF GOLD has about as much bearing on gold as does the other cross!

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:26pm

    The Vet stated...

    ..."Shorted GLD shares don't show up in the COT short position."

    Wow! That's pretty incredible to consider given the large short positions that must be present at any given time in the worlds largest gold fund that is supposedly ranked approx. 6th (I think) in global gold reserves.

    That lack of COT short position exclusion is almost like a CB's gold activity not having a known or public effect on golds price eventhough it probably should have moreso then what we've seen. How can the CB's activity have no real upside price effect when huge record amounts are being procured?

    It's almost mind boggling to watch what's underway without knowing exactly what is underway underneath it all. Is this time period right now the beginning of the great siphoning of GLD and SLV's phyz back into it's original mother bankers hands? Something big is up with gold bullion just prior to and after that G7 imho.

    Is there anyway for anyone to numerically illustrate what the effect would've been last week on that COT if the GLD shorts had been included heading into this weeks sell off? It seems like it might've been or still is a huge number.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:42pm

    General Market

    wierdest things--HPQ last night announces a decline in profits of 16% and all business units are down profits and revenues.

    Stock up 14% today.

    Wmt up after is sales fiasco

    Cat is down after weak sales

    MCD up after -2% Jan sales

    for the most part the trick to higher stock prices must be contraction of business.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:44pm

    We will see......

    as I have posted prior "exponential increase". Maguire outake: "When asked about bids in the physical gold market Maguire responded, “It is exponentially increasing. The central banks and the sovereigns look at exactly the same information that we do. They are looking at how much paper selling power is left, and in who’s hands it is (weak or strong long and short positions)." once begun down the road of devaluation/inflating, there is progression of need.(exponential) Diminishing return on dollar invested, applies across the spectrum in intangibles. We have grown a fractional reserve currency system (just look at this one point and extrapolate reversing the money/debt creation here.) based in debt to the point where real demand for that debt no longer exists. In order to both maintain and cover a larger exodus from the system(other countries deleveraging from dollar).....just as with an inverted pyramid the systems expansion will collapse to a single point of real money......Gold. Massive Credit Cycle Unwinding. The worlds reserve currency. A dollar is debt. A dollar is credit. No one is accepting our credit card!

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:45pm


    AP= Authorized Pilferers

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:48pm

    Katie Katie Katie ....

    Katie, you missed our corrupt judiciary, the kings pins that really sold us all out, and enable the rest to do their thing. The rants dont really start, unless you with the demons in black. Just remember, SHOOT A FEDERAL JUDGE, and you score 3 brownie points.

    "the most dastardly of public services".

    just got back, two days, Big Bear, 8 and 9 yo, just bombed snowboarding, and it was ONLY THEIR 2ND time out. Yeah baby! and they went to the TOP, brave I tell you, brave. but papa was right there behind both, all the way, 4 times down the big one, and I would help pick em up, and then shove em down the hill again, makes our pm charts tame in comparison, PAPA was so so proud. THE COURAGE!!! I tell you.

    But, this is going to be a very slow, but choppy ascent back to 50/oz of Ag. wave three is due to start, when? NOW, I would think, on a romp to 140$. When do we blast off?

    I think you all just saw it. 28.50 the new base line ..... up up and away, in those magical ballons .....

    Up Up and Away

    cheers ....

    GLD ... SLV .... screw that,

    yeah yeah yeah, and go screw yourselves, in due time.

    The only hoard the gov wont confiscate, when they deem it necessary, is under your bed, with the article, locked and loaded. The 2nd amendment is the only thing those bastards fear, and they do need fear.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:49pm

    TF metals reports always valued.

    Don't let the little dogs bite TF. You'll make the wimps cry they hadn't more physical metal when the paper burns to ashes. Went through the dog and pony show with friends/family trying to get them to purchase silver under 20 bucks at anytime the price went down. Buy until it's all gone I told them ands when the shortage got acute the dis-hoarding took it to near 50. All indicators say we're near the sweet spot. Not one family/friend who bought silver under 20 an ounce from 2008-2010 has shoved my call back in my face ever. Your vindication around the corner. Nasty out there now as wimps cave and we physical silver stackers add to hoards all the way down. I now return to my low profile survival mode. buz

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:51pm

    Louie's offshore bullion vault

    I want to announce that I am opening my own, secure offshore bullion vault. Any of you who need secure storage for your PMs please send me a private message. I will send you the address where you can have your PMs sent. If you need me to purchase them for you and then store them, I will send you the account numbers where you can send funds. Upon receipt of your PMs/funds I will promptly send you a receipt. My vault is IRA eligible, and I won't report your storage to any government.

    I won't even charge you a fee to store your metals.

    Secure your PMs- Put them in Louie's vault today

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:51pm

    General Market @ Mickey

    I think the FOMC minutes are being digested and looked at in the light of day.

    Some of the miners are actually doing well today. GSS is up 7% with gold and silver essentially flat.

    We may have seen our 'puke moment'. Time will tell.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:53pm

    Today's volume

    Anybody know what the silver volume has been today? Not least, compared to the last two days.....

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:54pm

    @ Katie Rose- Get'n It

    Now that Colorado has gone legal, you have no idea how tempting it is to move there and have a greenhouse! I could start growing non GM seeds, sell in the farmers market, and use the proceeds to stack.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:58pm

    $ is an IPC

    An Irredeemable (cant redeem for constitutional money at the FED BANK), ponzi (the expomential printing necsssary) coupon (fiat paper), that must be printed in ever increasing exponentiation amounts, less the system implodes, right here, right now, but we all know, the watchword is NOT ON MY WATCH, and so, dont delude yourselves thinking any political party will stem the tide of red ink, and right the ship of state, so think no balance budgets, and no real debt limit, which will not happen any time soon, they got way way more trillions to print, before Vegas goes back to the silver dollar bet, THE HARD WAY ....

    Feb 22, 2013 - 2:59pm


    when I look at a general market for potential investments I want very little part of it. I have a few things but not widespread. And I certainly do not want bonds now. The Dollar? Its always declining.

    Does not leave too much else.

    One of the nice things about being older is you have institutional memory- I can remember 1987-whack-33% off market in 3 trading days.(and if you are old enough you recall the decline was stoped by the Fed giving money to banks to buy spx futures--Robert Rubin recalls he was on last tranche before throwing in towel when the decline reversed)

    There is a greater fool likelihood of making money in market if you overpay for stocks. Unless of course the greater fool is the Fed and USG with deep printed pockets using OPM.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 3:03pm

    GLD Hokey Pokey

    If one takes delivery of physical for the 100,000 share of the GLD do they deliver to any vault in the world? Who pay s for shipping? Do they send a Brinks truck and fly it to NY or Dubai or do you have to have your very own lift gate truck and armed guards to move it out of London? I guess what I'm asking is how does the physical transfer happen? A Data entry in Dubai, Hong Kong or NY ain't physical. Who keeps track of shipping this stuff around.
    I assume it never leaves the vault in London and if these double counting entries are occurring it is via HSBC or JPM they take a nick in and out.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 3:04pm

    Andrew Mcquire and Paul Coghlan

    I'm a few hours behind but in the last thread there was a conversation concerning Andy Maguire's metals trade service at Coghlan Capital.

    Coghlan Capital also offers a TA video by Paul Coghlan that covers metals, currencies, and indices. Costs $100.00 a month and Paul says it should at least pay for itself every month and so far in my case it has. The videos are uploaded every week day by 7:30 am, plus there are webinars on Monday and Thursday. There is also a free webinar Wednesday, February 25th at noon eastern, and they should post the recording in case anyone misses it. Give it a look and see what you think. The videos cover 20 minutes, 240 minutes, daily, and weekly time frames so it’s not just for day trading or swing traders. Each video is a TA lesson and Paul pretty much lays it out so even a stacker such as myself can get it. Just as not everyone is suited for day trading, not every one is suited for investing in time frames of months or years. I don’t own any stocks and just have money in my account to buy protection for physical metals and some currency positions. When I want to gamble, I go to a casino or a sports book…they’re more honest. Coghlan seems to doing all right and they don’t need me to plug for them, I’ve tried the service and consider it worth the money spent. Months such as this one, they’ve been a lifesaver.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 3:04pm

    "True" silver mining cost per oz

    According to this article, the true cost of mining silver is $26.54/oz. Good read.


    "Using this information helps us assess our silver investments, which is especially important during this major market downturn. When the true costs of production are so close to the actual silver price, this is a sign that silver is a commodity that needs to be owned -- there really is very little room for it to drop before even producing miners run into serious problems (if they haven't already)."

    Feb 22, 2013 - 3:04pm

    "True" silver mining cost per oz

    According to this article, the true cost of mining silver is $26.54/oz. Good read.


    "Using this information helps us assess our silver investments, which is especially important during this major market downturn. When the true costs of production are so close to the actual silver price, this is a sign that silver is a commodity that needs to be owned -- there really is very little room for it to drop before even producing miners run into serious problems (if they haven't already)."

    Feb 22, 2013 - 3:04pm

    my above 1987 comment

    esp about rubin who was at goldman at the time--does not make anything a stretch to say or think that the Fed and treasury have fingers in as many pots as there are

    Feb 22, 2013 - 3:07pm

    There ISN'T going to be...

    ...a SHTF event. There will not be some overnight "Mad Max" transformation. That's NEVER how things work.

    Today: "Hmm...I wonder that brown speck was."

    Three to 6 months later: "We keep seeing more of these tiny brown specks."

    Six to 9 months later: "These small brown specks seem to be steady now; I wonder why it smells funny around here."

    Nine to 12 months later: "This continuous drizzle of brown specks is quite tiring, but I suppose that's just how it is."

    Etc., etc.

    You get the point. Yes, you're darned right, I'm stacking, planning for contingencies, and watching. But keep in mind, there isn't going to be some signal flare or starting gun. There will just be a slowly- and ever-increasing flow of brown specks, then drizzle, then drops, then a torrent.

    And we're already standing about with a light coating and a bit of a stench.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 3:10pm


    Wasn't going to post this AB=CD formation because we are no where close to D, but I'm not going to sit around and watch people's sub 26 bottom calls and not join in on the fun. So in the purple AB=CD we have a P line, which is half way between CD. So if you get a reaction at P, it makes it much more likely you get a reaction at D. So we have great reaction at P, couldn't really ask for much more precise reaction. Therefore now there is greater possibility for reaction at D. D is right around 24 area, but doesn't really have to be precise to consider working, so 24 general location. If we get down below 25, and 24 does not cause a reaction (a bounce back up to at least close to P), I will record myself eating my shirt, any jackass can eat a hat, real men eat shirts.

    Another thing I noticed today, is this red bottom of the channel trend line, I should have seen this before, I've had red top of channel trend line for at least a couple months. Getting good support there so far. Also on weekly fork added a floating parallel line to fork that is potential support.

    So there you go, a 24.00 bottom signal and a this is the bottom signal, everyone should be happy, just consider whatever signal you don't like bullshit, my charts aim to please the masses, a little something to give everyone hope.



    Feb 22, 2013 - 3:12pm

    New high in silver OI

    Another jump yesterday, this time for 1,600 more contracts on a flat price day. The new, multi-year high OI is 156,435.

    I'll take a look at the CoT when its released in 18 minutes and post comments asap.

    Feb 22, 2013 - 3:21pm

    Question on buying Silver Dollars at Spot

    Just wanted to throw out this question to Turdland and see what comes back:

    Is it unusual to be able to find private individuals selling their old (Morgan & Peace) Silver Dollars at spot? Although I see folks advertising 'Junk' dimes, quarters, and halves at spot on the local craigslist, seldom do I ever see Silver Dollars for sale at spot.

    Having said that, yesterday I picked up thirty-six Morgans (1878 - 1904) at the spot price of just over $22/ea. Is this unusual?




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