German Gold Hijinx

Wed, Jan 16, 2013 - 11:54am

I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Either this is all on the up-and-up or it isn't. Either this is a purely political show or it isn't. Either the gold is really there to be repatriated or it isn't. It's up to you to decide.

Just three months ago, The Bundesbank labeled as "lunacy" the idea that German gold needed to be brought home. They announce today that they're doing it anyway, but in sizes nowhere near what had been speculated. Is this just a political trick to mollify the German hoi polloi? Probably. It certainly doesn't upset the status quo or shake the global banking system in the manner we'd all hoped.

However, you could also choose to look at it this way:

  • In preparation for The Great Reset, the Germans do desire to repatriate as much gold as possible but they also don't wish to bring about The Reset any quicker than necessary.
  • So, they bring home "their French gold" but only do so at the rate of 50 tonnnes/year. Why? If it's just sitting in a vault and collecting dust, why not ship it all home over the next few weeks? What's the big deal?
  • And why leave "their English gold" untouched? Is it because all gold stored at the BoE can be leased, hypothecated and rehypothecated many times over, thereby making reclaiming it impossible?
  • And why bring back just 300 tonnes of "their American gold", again over the next 8 years? It shouldn't be that big of a deal to pull up a few pallets of "barbarous relic" from below the streets of lower Manhattan, drive it over to JFK and load it onto an airplane bound for Frankfurt. Should it?

Hmmmm. Maybe, just maybe, their French gold is long gone and the Frenchy-French need some time to come up with new supply to pay them back? ( Maybe the English gold has all been shipped to China and other points East, where it has been resmelted into kilo bars with official Chinese insignia? ( And maybe, just maybe, the American gold is nothing but paper certificates and IOUs, no more valuable than claims on the GLD? (

Ahhhhhh....what do I know? I'm just a Turd. A dope with a MacBook. I'm sure it's all just fine. Move along. Nothing to see here. All is well. Go back to sleep.

Anyway, it has been a few days so we need to update the charts. Let's start with gold. Take a look at these two, daily charts. You can clearly see the price double bottom. This also coincides with an open interest bottom in late December. In the big picture, me likes what me sees.

Now check out this 8-hour chart. Besides all of the horizontal and diagonal resistance lines I've drawn, gold will likley run into some tough sledding near the 50 and 100-day MAs. The fifty for the Feb13 contract is currently near $1697 and the 100 is near $1718. Taking it all into consideration, the "all clear" for a rally can't truly be sounded until gold gets up and through about $1710-1715, maybe in a week or two. Until then, I just plan to keep stacking physical. I'm not going to buy any more options just yet.

As you might expect, silver has a somewhat similar picture. It came down in late December and then double-bottomed just below $30 about two weeks ago. Since then, it has seen a steady progression higher. Now it just needs to follow through. It is finding resistance near the highs of 1/2/13 (31.50) and it needs to break that level to draw in more buyers. Once through there, expect slowdowns near the 50-day, currently at $32.01, and the 100-day near $32.60.

That's all for today. I need to go take a little boat ride with all my guns and ammunition. It'll probably take most of the day. More tomorrow...


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Jan 16, 2013 - 9:59pm

"Downfall" parody material

Hitler: "Good, we can get our gold back within months."

General 1: "Mein Furher, the Fed..."

General 2: "The Fed doesn't have our gold. Some of it was in the basement of WT7, and some of it is now made of Tungsten. The Fed says it will take 8 years to get all of our gold back."

Hitler takes off his glasses: "Anyone who reads Santa, Jim Willie, or Turd, leave the room, now."

Edit: somebody already did

Jan 16, 2013 - 10:06pm

Free Energy

Nikola Tesla was working on this. Here is how the story goes.

He believed that he would discover the means to tap a stupendous source of energy that is all around us, and gift humanity with effectively, free energy.

However, he needed funding, and secured it from a Wall Street bank. They promised whatever funding he needed, so long as he signed their contract. Not a businessman, and not caring about personal profit, he signed, delighted to get funding.

The bank in question was heavily invested in energy infrastructure. The last thing that they wanted, was free energy, and for their existing investment to be written off. They wanted to ensure, that they were in a position to disrupt, and even sabotage, Tesla's work.

The story goes, that Tesla convinced them that he was close to reaching his aims. They promptly cut his funding, and closed down his facility. Though enraged, he realised with dismay that he had signed away any right to develop the technology with any other funding partner. He / humanity, had been betrayed.

And the bank who did this?

JP bloody Morgan.

Jan 16, 2013 - 10:10pm

PS - Regarding Gary Mckinnon

I bet this never hit the MSM in the USA? It was removed as fast as it appeared in the UK.

David Gilmour, Chrissie Hynde and (oh dear) Bob "arsehole" Geldolf produced this video during the extradition case to highlight the cause, to try and stop him being extradited.

Edward G
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:18pm


We heard the big brother-in- law was on his way round to sort out the alcoholic abusive hubby, and we were excited that he was gonna kick his arse, but now it seems he only agreed to let him take the 12 steps, and now we feel a little anticlimactic.

This is definitely monetary history here.... it looks fast in the history books, but in real time it seems glacial.

That Germany likes sound money at all is surely the nemesis of those that discuss TDC with a straight face.

I think the question why England is not included is interesting, and I must say that a little look at the interests of Germany does give a bit of credence to the (million mile long) thesis of the Freegolders, whose conclusions are disputed, but FUFOFOA's nerdy big-picture and historical research must be commended.

For those who don't get that part of Santa's piece, roughly that thesis is the world being forced into reference point gold, with a still- fiat Euro being the dominant force.

Jan 16, 2013 - 10:21pm

Thank you all for the conversation tonight!

While some may see it off topic, I think private property ownship represents freedom.

As this is a metals site, and it has certainly grown due to Turd's efforts which I appreciate, I think it all boils down to something more.

What I see here is people that have quit forwarding political crap and have started to think for themselves, finding people that have been doing so for a long time.

So many of my neighbors talked about who they were going to vote for years ago, but never looked into anything real.

But they are now questioning our 'foriegn aid' ... seeing it as a competitor to their medicare for the very first time.

Great opportunity to mention that the INTEREST on the national debt dwarfs it.

The bad guys are on the defensive and will do ANYTHING to maintain power. It's all they know.

911, The Patriot Act, NDAA, ... would anyone think the bad guys have a limit? Would they sacrifice kids? To keep us all 'safe'?


Now, the MSM is focused on peoples right to protect themselves.

Jan 16, 2013 - 10:25pm

Mr. Fix: "You've seen the ECB

Mr. Fix: "You've seen the ECB tell the Greeks that they have to give up their gold reserves as part of dickering about the money the ECB gives them. So, you're Italy. You're in bad shape. Do you want the ECB to be strong arming you into giving up your massive gold holdings?" I don't remeber the ECB telling the Greeks they had to give up their gold. I do know that the Greeks had to give gold to the ECB to join the Euro but the ECB doesn't demand gold from any of it's member nations. Why would it?

Rui: "They did it to themselves b/c of the inherent problems that EURO, as simply another paper currency, inevitably carries upon itself." The Euro is not another paper currency because it has separated itself from the direct whims of national politicians. It does not serve one nation. It is currency block so it is unlike any other currency in the world.
"So it ultimately brings Santa's (as well as these FGers') call of Euro being the next reserved currency into question. How do you solve one paper (Dollar) crisis with another paper (Euro) that carries the same disease?" Because the Euro was never designed to be the next World Reserve Currency. There will be no World Reserve Currency because currencies will not be used to support Central Banks. Central Banks will be supported by hard assets.

Ferd Torgerson
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:43pm

Thanks, Bollocks

I guess that photo would pass for a toast (sort of).

Let me offer you a complimentary swig of what I'm drinking (I'm afraid my wine cellar might be a little more modest than yours). Just be sure to wipe off the mouth of the bottle with your sleeve before passing it around to the rest of yer mates.



Jan 16, 2013 - 10:53pm


I would submit that there is a thriving barter system going in America already. Have you ever visited the barter section on Craigslist? Quite honestly, I think it is incredible. It is primarily local, and functions just fine as long as we have 2nd ammendment rights. I have traded stuff of value that I no longer had a use for, for stuff of value that I did have a use for and many others are doing the same. Just here in NH, I am amazed at the rate with which stuff is added to the barter section, everything from coins to furniture to cars to snowmobiles and on and on. It happens to be how I acquired my 13000 watt Honda Trifuel Generator with 7 hours on it in exchange for a handgun I bought used 8 years ago for $1200. The generator new was $3500.

I am a great fan of barter. I guess that makes me primitive. In these tough times, if you have, as I did, a bunch of shit that is worth something but you don't use, I highly recommend bartering on craigslist. Just make sure you use your common sense, in an economy based primarily on fraud, there are some scammers there just like everywhere else (tungsten gold if you know what I mean) but if you are not stoopid, most people are just looking for fair exchange.

Mr. Fix
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:00pm

Bollocks Regarding Gary Mckinnon

Thank you for posting the videos.

You're quite correct in that this story is most definitely not talked of in the United States.

I'm sure there are a lot of powers that be that want him to disappear.

The Chrissie Hynde video was good to,

she looks just like my wife, always liked that about her.

Jan 16, 2013 - 11:01pm


Where did you get that picture of the guy with the wine glass? He was my prof in college. positively

Jan 16, 2013 - 11:07pm

Free energy

Well this about a completely different form of lift:

About 30 years ago, back in the UK, I used to watch a TV show called think of a number; hosted by Johnny Ball.

One show in particular caught my attention: He presented with a 6 foot pole (broom shank) which had at one end, what looked to be a 12 inch Diameter grinding disk, mounted through its centre to the shank on some bearings.

He demonstrated that, when holding the other end of the shank, that it was impossible to lift this hefty grinding disk off the floor. However, an assistant with an electric drill, inserted into the centre of the disk, got the disk spinning at quite a high RPM.

Now was the fascinating thing: Ball, could hold one end of the shaft in the OPEN palm of his hand, and as long as he rotated slowly, the heavy grinding disk would "float" horizontally at the other end. If he increased his speed of rotation then the disk lifted and if he slowed it lowered. WOW!

So..... pondering as I have a tendency to do from time to time........

I wondered, what if..... he had two broom shanks held at 180 degrees? What if it was one big broom shank with central pivot and spun, would one generate lift? What if there were six such shanks with 12 such spinning disks (like a clock face) put all being propelled around the clock - would this create more lift?

What if...... instead of broom shanks and grinding disks..... there was some charged matter which could be accelerated to scribe a circle (such as a point placed on the circumference of the previous disk)? This could theoretically be accelerated to near light speed. And then instead of Ball rotating on the spot with his arm outstretched. This rotating matter were in turn accelerated around this circle (a bit like a particle accelerator). Then you enclosed the whole thing with the pilot in the middle. What shape would it look like? Could one create lift with no moving parts? Gyroscopes work in space - would this also work in a vacuum?

Strangely enough. I am unable to find You Tube copy of this particular show. I have not shared this idea before nor have I performed the experiments I intended to.

Food for thought.

Actually another idea for space propulsion. E=MC squared. Energy and mass are interchangeable. Mass has attraction, gravity.

What if ...... several points on space ship projected energy into one spot outside but close, create a source of mass. Would the spaceship be attracted to this mass? Much like a donkey chasing a carrot. Getting faster and faster.

Probably complete crap.

Just a small glimpse at some of my strange thought experiments.

Flame away.


old tradesman
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:08pm

From a friend of the benank

Economics Professor Laurence Kotlikoff - Bernanke Playing With Fire

Notice no coment on gold and silver

Mr. Fix
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:10pm

@ Indenture

Over the past few days, you have proposed a few questions to me, and, they were usually while I was away from my computer, and I found that they had been answered by other people, and I did not have anything else to add.

I just didn't want you to think that I was ignoring you, you do ask good questions.

As far as your most recent post, concerning the ECB, I'm not entirely sure what to make of it,

I don't know if it's a statement, or a question, a lot of that I disagree with, for example, the last line of the ECB being backed by hard assets. I don't think that was ever true.

I think the ECB is a scam, designed by the powers that be (the banksters) to bankrupt Europe.

And it seems to be working exactly as intended. I do not believe that international bankers are in any way shape or form interested in anything that resembles an honest currency, they are only interested in any currency that they themselves can print out of thin air, and their entire business plan is based on fraud and theft.

I would not be expecting a gold standard in the Western civilization anytime soon,

the only possibility of that happening, is if Eastern civilizations such as China do it first, and thereby making it the only “real money” on the planet.

Only then will the West ever adopt anything that resembles a “gold standard”.

In the meantime, the lawlessness will continue until it cannot anymore.

Urban Roman
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:19pm

Oh, and Bollocks ...

none of my business, really, but the Hello Kitty purse was over the top.

Nice picture of Ferd in that fetching little skirt, but really!

Jan 16, 2013 - 11:20pm

Mr Fix: "I don't know if it's

Mr Fix: "I don't know if it's a statement, or a question, a lot of that I disagree with, for example, the last line of the ECB being backed by hard assets. I don't think that was ever true."

Here is the Official Reserve Assets ofThe Eurosystem:

The Euro was designed to be backed by a hard asset and as the paper assets devalue the value of the physical assets of the Euro have increased.

Mr. Fix
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:24pm

@ Bugzy

I like it, I like it a lot. Sorry, no flames for you, at least not from me. We both do some of the exact same thought experiments.

I have been contemplating antigravity using opposing gyroscopes for many years.

I cannot see why it would not work, although most of my experiments have centered around accessing free energy,

I have read many valid antigravity theories, some using magnetism, some using high-voltage electricity, and others using simple gyroscopic action.

A Faraday generator appears to actually combine all of these concepts.

By simply spinning a round magnet at high-speed, and using a conductor at the axis, as well as at the perimeter,

large amounts of electricity can be extracted, without putting any drag on the spinning mass.

I am currently playing with an electric motor of my own design that charges its own battery, and although it has some issues pertaining to its reliability and durability, seems to demonstrate an ability to run itself without any additional input.

Raising the voltage also increases its efficiency, so I am continuingly working towards higher voltage models.

Right now, is just a fascinating science experiment, but it may actually have some practical applications,

if I can get considerably more output than I am putting into it.

I just wish I knew what Tesla knew.

But I am trying to figure it out.

Jan 16, 2013 - 11:27pm

Mr. Fix: Member nations of

Mr. Fix: Member nations of the Euro contributed gold to the Europian Central Bank to back the new currency. The Euro has a mandate of approximately 2% inflation (to feed the evil bankers) but the currency itself isn't some "currency that they themselves can print out of thin air" becaus eof the 2% inflation mandate. The can only print a little thin air.

"I would not be expecting a gold standard in the Western civilization anytime soon," Neither would I. A gold standard is a currency peg fithout fluctuation.

"the only possibility of that happening, is if Eastern civilizations such as China do it first, and thereby making it the only “real money” on the planet." China has the hard assets to support their currency but once again I don't think they wuld peg the Yuan to an asset. The inelasticity of a peg is undesirable.

Jan 16, 2013 - 11:32pm

Mr. Fix

Do you know how to write patents? I have a cool idea for an invention, and it is pretty simple. It also solves a very real problem. I am two stoopid and lazy to sit down and build a prototype and go through the red tape and bullshit of researching and writing a patent.

silver66 Indenture
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:34pm


I have mentioned this man before Alexandre Lamfalussy

Turd mentioned Jacques Rueff yesterday in an article.

If you leave all the dogma on gold and silver aside and read them and "read" what they are saying ,Mr. Sinclair is not so cryptic then


It's all hidden right in front of us

Keep Stackin My Friends

Mr. Fix
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:37pm

@ Indenture

I am not in any way shape or form an expert on the European Central banking policies, and all of the numbers on the first link that you posted just give me a headache.

Generally speaking if it's overcomplicated, it's done for the simple reason of deception.

I do know that for the most part the individual nations in the European Union were having a incredibly difficult time just trying to collateralize their loans.

In other words, they're borrowing far more than they will ever be worth.

I also know that bankrupt sovereign nations are bailing out bankrupt banks, and then, those bankrupt banks are loaning more money to the bankrupt nations.

Everyone is broke, and at this point they are just printing the money out of thin air to keep the system afloat,

maybe it was once backed by something once upon a time, but just like the US dollar, those days are long gone.

I do know that the United States banks supposedly have assets to back their loans also,

it used to be accounted as Mark to market, in that the bank assets had to be evaluated at a fair market value,

but now they are what we call Mark to fantasy, in that our government has given them the permission to evaluate their assets in a way that has absolutely zero resemblance to their actual market value.

The Federal Reserve is now buying mortgage-backed securities, and paying the full value of what used to be called “liar loans” to try to help bail out the banks. These loans were a complete fraud from day one, and may actually only be worth $.10 on the dollar of what is being paid for them.

I have absolutely no reason to believe that they are doing it any different in Europe.

It is all a fraud.

So instead of giving me long lists of really tiny but incredibly long numbers, (which only makes my head hurt),

tell me in good old plain English what's on your mind?

Jan 16, 2013 - 11:38pm

Old Tradesman

Ha Ha, talking to Paul Ryan. LOL

Not only does he not mention Gold and Silver, while he paints the picture, HE NEVER meantions the real reason behind ObamaCare either, other than the balance sheet.

But that says it all. ;)

Odin TF
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:41pm

Annnnnd it's back under

Annnnnd it's back under 31.50.........Looking at the 1 year chart for silver is hilarious... Four sudden, abrupt, and free falls, with zero real world events to coincide with them. How anyone can look at a chart like that and deny manipulation is beyond me...

Mr. Fix
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:55pm

@ ag1969:

I have talked to patent attorneys in the past, while pursuing a patent in robotics.

I have scratch built many robots, and some of my designs are quite unique, and better than anything I've seen anyone else. However, it is a lengthy, and very expensive process. Since in a very real sense, I tend to live from paycheck to paycheck, and considering that work around here is extraordinarily scarce, those paychecks are often few and far in between.

Therefore, I have decided to skip that whole patent process, at least for now.

In the pursuit of a patent that is specifically geared towards “free energy”, many patents have been denied, despite being able to prove their functionality, and the really good stuff has simply been stolen but the government for “national security reasons,” and never see the light of day. Other inventors who refused to comply with government orders to “cease and desist” either wind up in long-term incarceration, or more recently, just died mysteriously.

Therefore, my experiments are for my own amusement, and for my own personal use.

Any strategy in this particular area geared towards making a huge profit, will be destroyed by the powers that be.

I have had such, problems with authorities in the past, I do not wish to repeat these mistakes.

For now I prefer to keep an extraordinarily low profile, and only a few close friends actually know what I am up to.

I can safely say that if I pursued a patent for some of the things that I am working on,

it would be the end of life as I know it.

And that would not be a good thing.


I have dozens of homemade working prototypes, that would serve my purposes well if I wished to patent them.

Prototypes are easy, at least for me. I can literally build anything that I can imagine.

Patents, and financial backing, are quite another thing.

Jan 17, 2013 - 12:09am

Mr. Fix: I have been

Mr. Fix: I have been following you for awhile and respect your opinion so thank you for engaging me. In good ole plain English I am trying to better understand silver's place in our economic future. I once owned far more silver than gold because of the reasons stated often here and I was heavily into Miners. A few years ago I switched percentages and now, after further reflection, like may of us do, I am questioning the certitude of my previous decisions. So I am here trying to rectify my disparate thoughts and you and other are helping by answer questions concerning your beliefs so that I may judge my own against a different background. As I said from the begining, I am here to learn.

"I do know that for the most part the individual nations in the European Union were having a incredibly difficult time just trying to collateralize their loans. In other words, they're borrowing far more than they will ever be worth." This is one of those statements that doesn't mesh with my current understanding. I don't understand why the spending of individual nations and whether or not they can sell their bonds has anything to do with the Euro currency? The currency itself is just a Medium of Exchange & Unit of Account and what individual nations promise has nothing to do with the currency. The Euro represent multiple nations so with a 2% inflation mandate the currency can only be inflated a certain amount per year and no more. Profligate spending through printing is history in the Euro Zone.

Jan 17, 2013 - 12:11am

The pro second amendment and

The pro second amendment and pro gun ownership absolutely did not panic over nothing.

Any resistance and show of sentiment and intent is necessary in the battle of potentials.

Any show of apathy only feeds the resolve of the opposition.

As we see every trading day in the PM markets.

It's survival of the fittest, even if it is only the fittest hype.

Lamenting Laverne
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:14am

@ Hagarth - Bix' Blast

Maybe I am totally missing the point here, but if Bix' blast is of 16. Jan 2013, and it tells me about a Gold Panic Part 2 - that has something to do with the Germans - that would lead me to believe that it is related to the current gold story - and I follow the link to Part 1 of the TV program at approx 7:15 to see that they kick out the camera - I sure am compelled to think WOW.

However, how does that fit in with the 03:01 mark, where it is said that the program is recorded on Friday 29th May on the 130th day of his presidency? As is 29th of May 2009?

I cannot see Bix's blast, because I am not a subscriber, but maybe you can explain instead. What is the point with that post?

Rui Indenture
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:14am

Indenture: EURO

Quote:"The Euro is not another paper currency because it has separated itself from the direct whims of national politicians. It does not serve one nation. It is currency block so it is unlike any other currency in the world."

When PIIGS bond was sinking, European politicians and central bankers came out to print EUROs to buy the unwanted PIIGS debt. That's exactly the same QE insanity US and UK have been running and anything but "separated itself from the direct whims of national politicians". Euro is deeply influenced by politicians just like Dollar as the current PIIGS crisis shows. It's no more healthy than other paper currencies when politicians control how much to issue and where to spend it.

Quote: "There will be no World Reserve Currency because currencies will not be used to support Central Banks. Central Banks will be supported by hard assets."

Central banks are the gate keepers of the fractional reserve lending scheme. They do not need to be supported. They need to be abolished along with their FRL fraud.

Dyna mo hum Bollocks
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:16am

@ Bollocks

I enjoyed the video. You hinted that you have more info about what Gary found. Could you share that? The lad seems to be very credible Pm me if you like.

Jan 17, 2013 - 12:17am

What the heck did you invent Fix?

The ultimate suicide machine?

Oh I see - the goons would get you.

Not sure I get more energy out than in - laws of physics an all that. Conservation of energy.

I suspect Tesla was about changing energy that was already there and then being able to tap into it. Change its resonance or something. The guy was a true genius.


Jan 17, 2013 - 12:37am

@tpbeta: Trader Dave may be

@tpbeta: Trader Dave may be right about everything he says in that article--I can't say, I don't trade, so what do I know?--but I do know he is absolutely wrong about this:

It's kind of like flipping coins and getting 12 straight "heads" -- the odds of a "tail" coming up rise with each "head".

He is absolutely wrong about that. Every time you flip a coin the odds are 50/50. It does not matter what the preceding flip was, or what the 100 preceding flips were. The coin does not know about the past and it is uninfluenced by it. I am not a mathematician or a statistician so I can't offer a proof of it, but I know it is true.

If someone here can offer a proof, that would be great. On the other hand, if someone can offer a proof that I am wrong about this, that would be great too. I hate thinking I know something I don't and I'm always willing to accept correction.

I'm not even sure what Trader Dave is trying to say, but I know this: gold and silver are money, in all recorded history they have always been money as long as they were an option, and every time events have tried to test that idea gold and silver have prevailed.

I'm still stacking.


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