Another Fascinating JBSFC

John and Steve recorded another fascinating hour last evening and, as usual, you would be well-served to give it a listen.

More history of how The New Cold War differs from the previous Cold War but first John reads how NATO envisions the early hours of hot war in Eastern Europe. Be sure to listen.

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Clarki Stomias's picture

Let 'em up easy

After the North's capture of the city of Richmond at the end of the Civil War, General Weitzel asked Lincoln, who was touring the city, how he should treat the citizens. Lincoln said he didn't want to give orders but quipped:

"If I were in your place,  I'd let 'em up easy, let 'em up easy."

These words have always echoed in my head and heart. For they strike me as the only way to truly claim victory.

In the past several decades, I have wondered why we Americans never embraced the Russian people and welcomed them into the western world. It was never the poor downtrodden Russian people that we had a beef with, it was the Communist system of government.  But why had we never helped them stand up as they attempted to join a democratic world.  Why had we never helped them to build it in their own country.  Only now after listening to John and Professor Cohen did the thoughts I've had for years fully concretize. Our elites in the government expected them to stay down. To become a servile, vassal nation to the western powers. It was pride. It was the very same error of WWI that led to the rise of Hitler.  I think Putin is no Hitler, but the people of Russia needed someone to help them rebuild. In our arrogance, we had refused to lend a helping hand so they found a Russian leader in Putin who would help them become strong and independent again. 

And now our western elite are furious that they have indeed become strong and independent and will not accept anything but servitude from Russia again.  Even though Russia is now ostensibly democratic and Christian, as Prof Cohen points out. I remember clearly in the '12 debates when Obama mocked Romney for being concerned about Russia by responding "The '80's called and they want their foreign policy back." I was outraged at the arrogance and ignorance displayed in that statement.  Thanks to that attitude from Washington, we now have an even more virulent Cold War back on our hands. One for which the common American has no understanding or desire.

The candor of Professor Cohen was refreshing. Knowing he's a traditional Democrat, I thought it was big of him to admit to the mistakes that Obama made to get us in this situation. I thought it was incredibly measured of him to admit that liberal elites in America, the former dovish voices of opposition to war, don't want to raise voices their voices in opposition to the current Cold War now simply because they don't want to be seen as Pro-Trump. I thought it was wise of him to recognize that in all the places he's lived, the average American has no ill feelings towards the Russians. Rather it is the petty anger of the American elite who are leading us into this war with Russia, against the will of the American people.

As Professor Cohen laments, where are the debates discussing all of this in the public domain.  Great discussion by Bachelor/Cohen this week.

abundance's picture

what surprised me about today's discussion

is Prof. Cohen's vague idea of the Deep State...is he not  familiar with NWO/Agenda 21,

the Rothchilds, and perhaps the CIA/NSA, etc...

During the talk, it was suggested that the US should have offered a marshall plan to Russia

when it had collapsed and I would disagree...Russia and the Russian people Know how strong

they are, Know they can overcome adversity, Know they can take care of themselves Because

of what they, By Themselves, went through....most in the US have NO idea if adversity comes

our way unfortunately..

the part of being ok w/Russia and thus pro Trump, shows the lack of knowledge people have and

how narrow their opinions are again unfortunately

agree with them..mccarthyism times

Clarki Stomias's picture

@ Abundance

Maybe not a Marshall Plan, but how about at least a "how can we help?" Russians are some of the toughest, most resilient people on the planet. But from what I understand, they have a lot of resentment towards never really being acknowledged by the west for their role in breaking Hitler's army in WWII and in never being fully embraced as Europeans. I think even some acknowledgement that they are indeed a resilient people and have played a crucial role in the west would have helped. 

But hindsight is 20/20.  This unnecessary Cold War 2.0 is where we are now.

abundance's picture

the US agenda at the time was

the US agenda at the time was to cut the USSR down ..as Cohen said it was to be a vassal state..so not help was

appropriate for the goal...I don't know that many US public would say the Russians are some of the toughest,

etc...and I certainly don't think that many know about the role of the USSR in WW2, only that the US won it..

yes, cold war 2 is unnecessary and imo, again a part of another agenda/distraction for the US public..

I have family members that parrot msm..sound bites that are meaningless

my point was there are times when no help is alright in order to learn what one is truely capable of..as it did

for Russia and Russians..

a weaker country/person generally doesn't acknowledgeable the stronger one due to envy/greed/resentment/etc

Angry Chef's picture

"The Vietnam War" - Documentary Or Epic Of Fiction?

I happened to bump into the Ken Burns Lynn Novick documentary the other night. I only caught the last 15 minutes. In 5 minutes I told my wife this is propaganda. Nicely done propaganda but propaganda.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/09/the-vietnam-war-documentary-or-epic-of-fiction.html#more

Angry Chef's picture

Trump Is Trying to Hoodwink Us into War with Iran

I'm sticking to my call. No War with North Korea. Why ? Tokyo and Seoul would be eviscerated in half n' hour. And Israel wants Iran and Syria taken out. So no War with North Korea. But keep an eye on Syria and the attempt to create another State in the MENA for the Kurd's. It will fail of course but hey. Israel told us to do it so it shall be done.

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017/09/trump-trying-hoodwink-us-war-iran/141135/

J Siefert's picture

Re.: Marshall Plan

There are many Germans who would have much preferred to have been left alone, as Russia was. The price of the Marshall Plan for Germany was to eternally be a vassal state of the US and the very Cabal the Germans were trying to get rid of. The Russians are much better off the way things are.

Re. NK and the Middle East. Fully agree with you Angry Chef.

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-september-20-2017-us-led-coalition-seeks-stop-syrian-army-advance-near-deir-ezzor/

Ozymandias's picture

Ken Burns Vietnam Documentary

It might very well be propaganda but the issue is "Is it true and accurate?".

Angry Chef's picture

REVEALED: US-Backed Kurdish Factions Colluding with ISIS...

...on Syrian Battlefield

https://geopolitics.co/2017/09/21/revealed-us-backed-kurdish-factions-colluding-with-isis-on-syrian-battlefield/

You can see how this will eventually involve a clash with the US backed Kurds + ISIS + Israel vs the SDF/Russia/Hezbollah/Turkey and likely behind the scenes China.

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