More Must Listen Audio From Batchelor and Cohen

Wed, Apr 12, 2017 - 9:52am

With US-Russia relations now "completely ruined" according to Russian Prime Minister Medvedev, The New Cold War has now reached a critical moment. As such, please be sure to listen to this week's Batchelor-Cohen podcast.

If you've been around TFMR for any length of time, then you know we've been reposting these podcasts every Wednesday since we first discovered them back in February of 2014. All along, as we've watched the threat of hot war ebb and flow through a fog of misinformation, the ONLY source of fair and balanced coverage has been the weekly discussions of John Batchelor and Professor Stephen F. Cohen.

Never has it been more important for you to be alert/aware than now. Please be sure to listen to the entire podcast but you might pay particular attention to the third segment where John and Steve discuss the ramifications of last week's U.S. missile strike into Syria. You've certainly been treated to enough coverage written with the American point of view. The third segment gives you some perspective from the Russian point of view, instead.

You might also want to read these links for additional background:

Pray for peace,


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Apr 12, 2017 - 10:02am


.Things seem to be calming down today... internationally.... Seems like China stepped up to the NK situation... and maybe Russia/Tillerson rapport is improving...?... lol ...

J Siefert
Apr 12, 2017 - 10:19am

Sun is still shining

... in Switzerland smiley

Apr 12, 2017 - 10:52am

turd wheres the link

to the tuesday podcast?

Apr 12, 2017 - 10:53am

got it got it got it


Apr 12, 2017 - 11:04am


For Charlie . . .

Stack on!

Apr 12, 2017 - 11:36am

Just more obfuscation

Is it really possible that Spicer can be that dumb and clueless? I say no way.

Just another way to state as fact that Assad gassed women and children. No discussion, conclusive conclusion that the US action was warranted.

Puts him in the room with Hitler, which gives the US another reason for military action in Syria. A follow up from WW2 leading to proof that WW3 is needed.

Swift Boat Vet
Apr 12, 2017 - 11:42am


Thx Turdski.


Apr 12, 2017 - 11:55am

Found this yesterday

For anyone curious about The Carl Vinson Strike Force.

Apr 12, 2017 - 12:41pm
Apr 12, 2017 - 12:49pm

False Flag

I've been listening to Batchelor and Cohen for all these 4yrs and for quite a while they acted like they were too afraid to call a spade a spade using the fog of war excuse without more immediate considerations, but have come out right away with the idea this is a false flag spending more time questioning what is the motive for these actions.

The Trump Administration remains steadfast with the sarin gas killing babies(according to his press secretary) narrative that even if Trump is playing a multi level chess game he'll never live this false flag down. Sarin gas would be deadly to the 1st responders not properly outfitted against sarin gas and past accusations of gas attacks which were rebutted and found more likely the rebels used other deadly gas that was more available to the rebels which the 1st responders wouldn't have been affected by.

Apr 12, 2017 - 12:58pm
Apr 12, 2017 - 1:34pm

Korea Overview

North Korea GDP is $40 billion — $1,800 for each of 25 million people. North Korea is the world's 182nd economy by GDP.The North Korean military is one of the biggest in the world, with a total manpower of more than one million.The People's Ground Force has 950,000 troops, 4,200 tanks, 2,200 armored vehicles, and 13,400 artillery pieces. The People's Air Force has 110,000 troops, 800 combat aircraft, 300 helicopters, and more than 300 transport aircraft. The navy is the smallest with 60,000 troops, 70 submarines, 420 patrol ships, 260 amphibious landing craft, and 60 mine warfare and support vessels. Most of North Korea's equipment is very old. Its main warships and warplanes date back to the 1970s and, in some cases, even the '50s. Pyongyang's troops lack fuel, spare parts, even food and clothing.

In 2012, South Korea's GDP was $1.7 trillion. Per capita GDP for the South's 50 million people was $32,400 in 2013. By 2012, the South Korean economy was 41 times larger than North Korea's. The South Korean military has 650,000 personnel on active duty. The army's rolls number 506,000 troops equipped with 2,300 tanks, 2,600 armored fighting vehicles, 600 helicopters, and 5,400 artillery pieces. Seoul's air force has 65,000 personnel operating more than 450 jet fighters. The ROK Air Force operates from eight major airbases. Most personnel are stationed at large, well-defended air bases located at Ch'ongju, Kangnong, Kunsan, Kwangju, Osan, Sunch'on, Suwon, and Taegu. The air force also operates an unknown number of smaller airbases. Civilian airfields, including three international airfields at Seoul, Pusan, and Cheju, would be utilized in wartime, as would specially designed sections of major highways. According to Keith Rowe and Dan Allmacher in their Order of Battle for the ROK Air Force there are some 641 hardened aircraft shelters in South Korea for both US and ROKAF aircraft. The South Korean navy has 68,000 personnel with 12 submarines, 22 destroyers and frigates, 21 corvettes, and 84 patrol vessels. The South Korean military is one of the most advanced in the world, with modern tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and artillery. South Korean F-15K and F-16C Block 52 fighters are nearly the equal of American jets. The South Korean navy, with its Aegis destroyers and high-tech submarines, is smaller than North Korea's ramshackle fleet but much, much better.

In the event of war, North Korea will almost certainly bombard the South with missiles with conventional — and possibly even nuclear, biological, and chemical — warheads.


Apr 12, 2017 - 1:35pm

Korea Overview Cont.

Today, the Republic of Korea is the world’s 13 largest economy and the United States’ seventh largest trading partner, a thriving democracy, and a close ally of the United States. The U.S.-ROK alliance, based on the Mutual Defense Treaty of 1953, is fundamental to a ROK security strategy that remains focused necessarily on the North Korean threat. The Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) between North and South Korea remains the most heavily armed demarcation between ground forces in the world. The North’s ability to sustain a combined arms invasion of the South has degraded considerably over the past two decades, although the threat posed by North Korea to South Korea, Japan, and the United States has increased in other ways. The North has forward deployed many of its over 10,000 artillery tubes within range of Seoul, a modern urban metropolis of 20 million people (and approximately 20,000 American expatriates). Experts believe the North has over 200 NoDong missiles that can impact most of Japan, as well as one of the largest chemical and biological weapons arsenals in the world. Despite sanctions and repeated diplomatic efforts by regional powers, Pyongyang has continued to develop a nuclear weapons capability, with quantities of plutonium sufficient to produce nuclear warheads and a uranium enrichment program of unknown but potentially greater capacity. In 2004, the U.S. government authorized a realignment plan for reducing and relocating forces in Korea with the goal of reducing U.S. troop levels in South Korea from 37,000 to 25,000 by September 2008. In 2008 the Secretary of Defense set the floor for troop levels at 28,500. The realignment plan consists of two elements: the Land Partnership Plan (LPP) proposed by the United States and the Yongsan Relocation Plan (YRP) initiated by the ROK. LPP calls for relocating USFK units and camps north of Seoul (about 10,000 personnel) to US Army Garrison (USAG) Humphreys about 40 miles south of Seoul. The LPP will result in a 50 percent reduction and consolidation of facilities from 104 to 48. Many of the current bases and camps scattered around the country are the legacy of the Korean War; they are literally positioned in the same places when the war stopped in 1953 and have not been moved since. Under the new plan, U.S. forces will cluster around Osan AB/USAG Humphreys, and USAG Daegu, in which there will be five major or “enduring” sites: Osan AB; USAG Humphreys; USAG Daegu; Chinhae Naval Base; and Kunsan AB. (Note: Kunsan AB is located on the southeast portion of the peninsula, outside of USAGs Daegu and Humphreys.) Osan AB/USAG Humphreys will have Army, Air Force, and Joint Headquarters. USAG Daegu will have Army, Navy, Marines, and prepositioned equipment. The LPP will co-locate 2ID and the newly-established Korea Command (KORCOM), which will allow for enhanced coordination, mission command and planning. This realignment of forces on the peninsula is designed to move the majority of U.S. personnel and equipment outside effective range of North Korean artillery, 28 enhance Noncombatant Evacuation Operation (NEO) capacity, and improve overall flexibility. The consolidation at USAG Humphreys would also allow the United States to conduct U.S.-only planning as needed to deal with the evolving North Korean WMD and missile threats. YRP is a 2004 bilateral agreement to consolidate and relocate USFK, including about 9,000 U.S. military personnel, from the metropolitan center of Seoul to USAG Humphreys (near Pyeongtaek) and other locations. YRP is largely funded by the ROK government. YRP will leave some combined elements, including intelligence, policy development, and some operation elements as a residual presence in Seoul (i.e., Yongsan residual). The timeline for completion of LPP and YRP was originally 2008, but has been delayed due to construction delays and cost-squabbling. A legacy of the Korean War, OPCON refers to the retaining of wartime operational command over ROK forces by the United States. In 2007, the United States agreed to a South Korean proposal to create two separate commands for U.S. and ROK forces by April 2012 and to replace the current U.S.-ROK CFC, headed by the commander of U.S. Forces, with a U.S. Korea Command which would operate through a Military Cooperation Center to coordinate inter-operability with the ROK military command. OPCON transition has been controversial within South Korea. A view that concomitant ROK military improvements in command, control, communication, computer, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (C4ISR), transport planes, cyber security, and amphibious lift would not be adequate to meet the original transition date. Strategic Alliance 2015 sets out capabilities that the ROK must enhance in advance of the transition date and the annual military consultations (Military Committee Meeting, or MCM, and Security Consultative Meeting, or SCM) provide the South Koreans with a list of capabilities they must continue to enhance. While the United States would help to provide “bridging capabilities” in the interim, the South Koreans need to better demonstrate a resource commitment to include an upgrade of ground operations command, improved command and control systems, missile defense, and closer coordination of ROK and U.S. exercises and capabilities to meet the range of threats posed by North Korea short of all-out war. From an operational perspective, OPCON transition could increase efficiencies and better synchronize U.S.-ROK coordination in a crisis if it establishes a relatively seamless transition of command relationships from peacetime through contingency operations. (Currently, the ROK retains peacetime command of its forces up to the point that the armistice is broken,and the American four star commander of CFC/UNC after that point; however, provocations and escalation can occur in the seam between the set two phases, and shifting command staffs in that time-sensitive, intense environment could prove challenging.) On the other hand, serious ROK capability deficiencies remain for command and control, artillery, and missile defense, and the bilateral command relationships in the new military cooperation center have yet to be fully resolved or tested against operational plans. In addition, the UNC will continue to be indispensable even after CFC is disbanded because it is the internationally recognized legal and political agent for forces operating on the Korean Peninsula and provides the basis for access to seven U.S. bases in Japan in the event of North Korean violation of the armistice (i.e., Yokota, Zama, Sasebo, Yokosuka, Kadena, Futenma, and White Beach). Even after CFC is disbanded, the UNC function could be expanded to internationalize attention to the security challenges posed by North Korea.


Apr 12, 2017 - 2:45pm

Here's you money shot

"The US is making up its mind to stop the North from conducting further nuclear tests, it doesn't plan to co-exist with a nuclear-armed Pyongyang.

China supports solution of the North Korean nuclear issue under the framework of UNSC and Six-Party Talks. If the US takes unilateral action, it will win little international support. Pyongyang can continue its tough stance, however, for its own security, it should at least halt provocative nuclear and missile activities.

Pyongyang should avoid making mistakes at this time."

Angry Chef
Apr 12, 2017 - 3:24pm

If NK Stops It's Nuclear Program.... will be Libya. The US and the Deep State want the resources of North Korea. Dump a Central Bank on it and rape it like a stolen child at Lolita Island. They have a choice. Fight or Die. Figure out a Diplomatic solution or many will die. The Deep State and the London, New York Bankers will never allow a Diplomatic solution. So they fight. I wish our people had more guts and weren't so brainwashed to believe the narrative being pushed.

Syria. Same thing. Dump a Central Bank on them and steal all of the resources. Once that's done move on Iran and Lebanon.

The game is getting old folks. We can start to stop all of this when we figure out who the enemy is. It's the Banksters and the Deep State and the corrupt Politicians they own. Not Syria nor North Korea.

Nick Elway
Apr 12, 2017 - 3:30pm

Thanks Turd

Turd, thanks so much for your diligence and dedication in making these available.

I'm building an mp3 library of these Batchelor-Cohen talks. Taken together they are an insightful oral record of these historic days...if the good guys get to write this history.

Apr 12, 2017 - 4:35pm
Apr 12, 2017 - 4:37pm

US Bases S. Korea

Table 2: Detailed Listing of Major U.S. Forces in the Republic of Korea


USFK, CFC and UNC: CMDR, ¶¶¶¶ (Yongsan)

8th U.S. Army: CMDR, ¶¶¶ (Yongsan)

2ID: CMDR, ¶¶ (Red Cloud)

1/2nd Heavy BCT

2nd Combat Aviation BDE

210 Artillery BDE

1st Signal BDE (Yongsan)

501st Military Intel BDE (Yongsan)

19th Expeditionary Sust CMD: CMDR, ¶ (Henry)

65th Medical BDE (Yongsan)

35th ADA BDE (Osan)

Air Force

7th AF: CMDR, and DEP CMDR CFC, ¶¶¶ (Osan)

51st Fighter Wing: 25th FS (21xA-10C) 36th FS (24xF-16C/D) 5th RS(ACC) (3xU-2R) 75th

FS(ACC) (12xA-10C) (Osan)

Air Operations Center (Osan)

8th Fighter Wing: 35th FS (18xF-16C/D) 80th FS (18xF-16C/D) (Kunsan)



Naval Forces Korea (CNFK): CMDR, ¶ (Yongsan)

Fleet Activities (CFAC) Chinhae

MARFOR-K: CMDR, and UNC/CFC/USFK J-5, ¶¶ (Yongsan)

Apr 12, 2017 - 7:59pm


Is very unlikely to commit suicide, whether by a massive OD of scotch and BBQ or a heads up confrontation with SK and the US. His generals will feel him to the dogs and ask to be rescued by the US and SK

China won't go to war over NORK. They've stopped buying NORK coal, now buying US coal. They reportedly move 150,000 troops on the CH side of the Yalu. They threaten to bomb the nuclear facilities rather than let the US destroy the, creating a nuclear disaster

Apr 12, 2017 - 11:05pm

Worthwhile 40 min with B & C. Here's vid & music

to make it more enjoyable...

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Apr 13, 2017 - 9:31am

Prof Cohen on Tucker Carlson show

From Wednesday evening.

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